Do you need line of sight to perceive someone with your perception check? I have been assuming so, but am I wrong? Because I could perceive an invisible person, or someone in an Obscuring Mist. So, can Afrezza pinpoint Lainadan, Kazan, and/or Josep from his current position so long as he hits the DC of stealth+distance? I am thinking I may have given Kazan the wrong info.

I'm not sure about ruling, but i assume we could. Perception can be other senses too (hearing, smell, feeling vibrations, etc...). However, i think i missed the perception check due to distance earlier. (+1/10 feet)

You can pinpoint without line of sight.
 Technically, you might not be able to recognize who's Kazan and who's Josep, but I don't think we'll go into that.
 Actually if you had straightforward line of sight (no cover, no concealment, normal lighting), you would not even need a perception check to pinpoint someone, unless they were using Hide in Plain Sight.
 see: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/stealth


 Also, consider we're using Hidden on the Map now.

My understanding was that Hidden on the Map is a given. I think we should use it unless somebody chooses to object to it.

Done. We are all agreed on Hidden on the Map.

<tt>Afrezza feels the weight of the air in the arena, heavy with tension. The hair on the back of his nexk stands up and a chill runs down his spine. Danger is near....

Earnest, the scorpion, skitters along nervously, but oblivious to his surrounding. Afrezza scans the arena, and he thinks he hears someone shifting in a far corner. Suddenly he throws out his hand and shouts an arcane phrase. A blossom of gold specks erupts from nothing and covers everything in the area along one wall. He quickly steps forward to close on the glittering location.


   ROUND: Round 1 (19)
POSITION:
 ACTIONS: Perception (free), Cast Glitterdust at intersection of A5/B6, Move to B2

 HP: 60/60 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20(24); FFAC: 16; Touch: 15
CMD: 19; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 11

EFFECTS: Mirror Image 58/60 rounds +6 Images; Spell 2 59/60; Arcane Enhancement 9/10

   GEAR: Backpack, Belt Pouch, Scimitar, Mithril Chain Shirt, Shirt, Headband, Ring, Belt, Rod, Cloak
   USES: Arcane Pool 8/9, Spells: Level 1 4/6, Level 2 4/5

16:13, Today: Afrezza rolled 20,18 using 1d20+8,1d20+16 with rolls of 12,2. Perception Afrezza and Scorpion.
Summary: Glitterdust at A5/B6 means Kazan and Lainadan both make Will save 18 or blinded. If you fail the save, new will save at the end of your turns each round for up to 3 rounds. Kazan and Lainadan each take -40 on stealth checks.

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Minion: Scorpion Familiar
Position: D2, HP 23/23
 (AC 21, FFAC 18, TAC 18, CMD 21, FFCMD 18, FFTAC 12)
 Actions: Move to D2 / Effects: none

Afrezza feels the weight of the air in the arena, heavy with tension. The hair on the back of his nexk stands up and a chill runs down his spine. Danger is near....

Earnest, the scorpion, skitters along nervously, but oblivious to his surrounding. Afrezza scans the arena, and he thinks he hears someone shifting in a far corner. Suddenly he throws out his hand and shouts an arcane phrase. A blossom of gold specks erupts from nothing and covers everything in the area along one wall. He quickly steps forward to close on the glittering location.

	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I	J
1			+4		+4	+4		+4			1
2		Af									2
3	+4		+4		+4	+4		+4		+4	3
4	K										4
5	+4		+4					+4		+4	5
6	+4		+4					+4		+4	6
7	L										7
8	+4		+4		+4	+4		+4		+4	8
9								s	J		9
10			+4		+4	+4		+4			10
	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I	J

   ROUND: Round 1 (19)
POSITION: B2
 ACTIONS: Perception (free), Cast Glitterdust at intersection of A5/B6, Move to B2

 HP: 60/60 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20(24); FFAC: 16; Touch: 15
CMD: 19; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 11

EFFECTS: Mirror Image 58/60 rounds +6 Images; Spell 2 59/60; Arcane Enhancement 9/10

   GEAR: Backpack, Belt Pouch, Scimitar, Mithril Chain Shirt, Shirt, Headband, Ring, Belt, Rod, Cloak
   USES: Arcane Pool 8/9, Spells: Level 1 4/6, Level 2 4/5

16:13, Today: Afrezza rolled 20,18 using 1d20+8,1d20+16 with rolls of 12,2. Perception Afrezza and Scorpion.

quote:

Summary: Glitterdust at A5/B6 means Kazan and Lainadan both make Will save 18 or blinded. If you fail the save, new will save at the end of your turns each round for up to 3 rounds. Kazan and Lainadan each take -40 on stealth checks.

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Minion: Scorpion Familiar
Position: D2, HP 23/23
 (AC 21, FFAC 18, TAC 18, CMD 21, FFCMD 18, FFTAC 12)
 Actions: Move to D2 / Effects: none

MOVE REPOSTED WITH BETTER FORMATTING AND SHOWING MY POSITION. ACTIONS COMPLETELY UNCHANGED.

Lainadan, you are at 48 hours.....

So.. should i take my turn or wait for Lanaidan?

You can call the "48 hour rule" and the GM will post for him a full defense action, as well as probably rolling his will save. After the GM responds you continue as normal.

OOC: Okay, just FYI







1) Glitterdust must be modified to allow a saving throw to resist ALL of its effects (including the glitter itself). I think Will vs. blindness and Reflex vs. glitter makes the most sense. I guess since the glitter doesn't have damage it would be half penalty instead of half damage.

2) Lainadan and Kazan have Cover, spread negates cover, hidden on the map rule boosts their cover 2 tiers, they are treated as having Cover. Fun. This just means they can apply Evasion to their miss chance even though normally they can't (it normally only applies to a Reflex saving throw). And it's a +2 cover bonus to Reflex saving throws.

3) Afrezza needs miss chances due to attempting to hit something he can't see.

4) Lainadan and Kazan need saving throws vs. glitterdust.

5) I suggest we go ahead and get those out of the way. If Lainadan doesn't respond by the time we do, I'll roll his for him and do the 48 hour rule thing.

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As much as I hate the hidden on the map rule, I hate having to say "Yes/No" to "Do I see anything" to every single move action for players round by round FAR MORE. It's just very difficult to do hide-and-seek in a Play by Post game, but this is how it can be possible. It's a hell of a lot more easy and fun on tabletop though.
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:34, Sun 05 Apr 2015.

13:36, Today: Afrezza rolled 83,77 using 1d100,1d100 with rolls of 83,77. Miss Chance Kazan / Lainadan >50 hits.
Miss chance is passed on both targets. Afrezza can smell you both :-)

Sorry about that - I didn't think of glitterdust as applying a condition other than blind, but of course it does.

DC 18 Will for blinded condition lasting 3 rounds (new chance to save end of your turn to if you fail the first), and DC 18 Reflex for half stealth penalty from -40 to -20.

Thanks Arkrim.
 

OOC: No, don't be sorry, you're fine. These were particularly obscure errata because they're each in a different location and Stealth is a very difficult subject to work with on PBP. I did not like having to dig them up and find them but the situation called for it since there seemed to be some confusion on it. So now it's all up to their saving throws as to how this will play out.

Kazan, go ahead and roll your saves.
I call the 48 hour rule on Lainadan, so if you get your rolls up I think Arkrim can roll saves for the rogue and give him a full defense turn.

Kazan receives the glitterdust full on, but was able to avert his eyes from the blinding light. "Oh oh! you found me! Zoom!" And he dashes to the other side of the arena to confront Josep. "No point in hiding now i guess!"

	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I	J
1			+4		+4	+4		+4			1
2		Af									2
3	+4		+4		+4	+4		+4		+4	3
4											4
5	+4		+4					+4		+4	5
6	+4		+4					+4		+4	6
7	L										7
8	+4		+4		+4	+4		+4	K	+4	8
9								s	J		9
10			+4		+4	+4		+4			10
	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I	J

   ROUND: Round 1 (18)
POSITION: A4 to I8
 ACTIONS: Move to I8, Attack Josep

 HP: 72/72 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 23; FFAC: 15; Touch: 16
 CMD: 21; FFCMD: 16; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: - Expeditous retreat 8/10
   GEAR: - Belt Pouch, Rapier, Chain Shirt, Buckler, Longbow, quiver, 22 arrows, cloak, dagger, shirt, smokestick, sunrod, 10 potions
   USES: - Panache 6/6, shirt 1/1, Charmed Life 3/4

DICE ROLLS: - 21:09, Today: Kazan Ibn Saiman rolled 21 using 1d20+4 with rolls of 17. glitterdust blind effect (with +2 bonus from charmed life).
21:08, Today: Kazan Ibn Saiman rolled 16 using 1d20+12 with rolls of 4. reflex save vs glitterdust.
21:19, Today: Kazan Ibn Saiman rolled 2 using 1d6 with rolls of 2. Mirror Image on josep: 1 = Josep, the rest are images.
21:18, Today: Kazan Ibn Saiman rolled 33 using 1d20+13 with rolls of 20. Attack Josep.
SUMMARY: Kazan Strikes an image

OOC:
21:57, Today: GM Arkrim, on behalf of Lainadan Cor, rolled 5,23 using 1d20+2,1d20+8 with rolls of 3,15. will, reflex.

Lainadan is blind but dodges the glitter.

Nobody can see him, and he can't see anybody else either. LOL!

Then he takes the total defense action and remains in his hiding spot.

Next.
This message was last edited by the GM at 03:02, Tue 07 Apr 2015.

Haha.
To be fair, he is -20 to stealth after the save, but that is still pretty funny.
Josep is on the clock. 
This message was last edited by the player at 03:16, Tue 07 Apr 2015.

OOC: Oh no, it's as hilarious as it is true. Evasion gets around the half damage/effect since we ruled the "effect" is halved like damage.

He is blind while hidden. Or at least I'm just assuming he'd want to remain hidden. Thanks for reminding me.

23:38, Today: GM Arkrim, on behalf of Lainadan Cor, rolled 16 using 1d20+12 with rolls of 4. Stealth.

Looks like someone may actually spot him. But if he doesn't step in soon and post he may just get dropped from the match anyway. :/

Josep?

This message was last edited by the GM at 04:40, Tue 07 Apr 2015.

Josep had a readied action, I'll post it as soon as I get my hands on a real keyboard. Sometime between 8 and 12 hours from now.

 Josep was waiting in the dark. The moment Kazan appeared within sight, he pounced on the column and climbed up with surprising skill, his hand and feet sticking to the masonry as if he was a lizard.

 He reached the top of the column and looked down at the swashbuckler.
    "So long..."



   ROUND: Round 1 ( initiative : 25 changed to 18 )
POSITION: I9 -> H10
 ACTIONS: (readied) climb 20ft to H10 (standard action)

 HP: 47/47 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 14; FFAC: 10; Touch: 14
CMD: 19; FFCMD: 19; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: - Spider Climb 48/50, Mirror Image 49/50 (5 figments)
   GEAR: - Backpack; Pouch; 3 Rods; Belt; Headband; Shirt; Components pouch; Heavy Pick; Cloak; Boots; Potions(4); Dagger; (-0 ACP, Light Load)

   USES: Spells : lvl1 0/6, lvl2 2/5, lvl3 0/3 ; Rod A 0/3 ; Rod B 0/3 ; Rod C 0/3 ; admixture 0/9


Minion: Scorpion Familiar
Position: H9, HP 23/23
 (AC 21, FFAC 18, TAC 18, CMD 21, FFCMD 18, FFTAC 12)
 Actions:  none / Effects: none

DICE ROLLS: 

FYI, the initiative for next round is:
 25 - Afrezza
 19 - Lainadan
 18 - Josep
 18 - Kazan

OOC: Since i could not attack you because you climbed up, do i get to redo my standard action?

Pretty sure you do, yes.

Kazan goes in to get Josep only to find him scurry on top of the barricade. Oh well...
"Zoom zoom!! Hello to you!!" He stops in front of Afrezza and smiles.

	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I	J
1			+4		+4	+4		+4			1
2		Af	K								2
3	+4		+4		+4	+4		+4		+4	3
4											4
5	+4		+4					+4		+4	5
6	+4		+4					+4		+4	6
7	L										7
8	+4		+4		+4	+4		+4		+4	8
9								s			9
10			+4		+4	+4		+4			10
	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I	J

   ROUND: Round 1 (18)
POSITION: I8 to C2
 ACTIONS: Move to C2 (standard)


 HP: 72/72 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 23; FFAC: 15; Touch: 16
 CMD: 21; FFCMD: 16; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: - Expeditous retreat 8/10
   GEAR: - Belt Pouch, Rapier, Chain Shirt, Buckler, Longbow, quiver, 22 arrows, cloak, dagger, shirt, smokestick, sunrod, 10 potions
   USES: - Panache 6/6, shirt 1/1, Charmed Life 3/4

DICE ROLLS: -
SUMMARY: Kazan moves up to Afrezza

Afrezza smiles back at the swashbuckler, "Hello indeed."

He looks amused as he asks casually "Perhaps you are simply European, but in the arena there is something called 'Personal Space'." He cocks his head as if awaiting understanding, then seeing none he becomes deadly serious. "You are in mine."

He speaks words of power and twists his blade as he casts a spell without opening himself to attack. With a slightly undignified snarl he slashes Kazan with his electrically charged blade. The weapon cuts into his opponent and discharges its energy with great force. "Let that be a lesson in manners," he adds as he steps away.

	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I	J
1	A		+4		+4	+4		+4			1
2		f	K								2
3	+4		+4		+4	+4		+4		+4	3
4											4
5	+4		+4					+4		+4	5
6	+4		+4					+4		+4	6
7	L										7
8	+4		+4		+4	+4		+4		+4	8
9								s			9
10			+4		+4	+4		+4			10
	A	B	C	D	E	F	G	H	I	J

   ROUND: Round 2 (19)
POSITION: B2
 ACTIONS: Perception (free), Arcane Accuracy (swift), Cast Empowered Shocking Grasp (standard), Spellstrike (free), 5' step to A1

 HP: 60/60 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20(24); FFAC: 16; Touch: 15
CMD: 19; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 11

EFFECTS: Mirror Image 58/60 rounds +6 Images; Spell 2 59/60; Arcane Enhancement 9/10

   GEAR: Backpack, Belt Pouch, Scimitar, Mithril Chain Shirt, Shirt, Headband, Ring, Belt, Rod, Cloak
   USES: Arcane Pool 7/9, Spells: Level 1 4/6, Level 2 4/5
11:13, Today: Afrezza rolled 21,11 using 5d6,1d6+6 with rolls of 1,5,6,4,5,5. Emp Shock Grasp Spellstrike x50% + Scimitar. 31 HP Electric damage (21+50% rounded down); 11 HP physical damage
11:08, Today: Afrezza rolled 23 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 7. Spellstrike w/ Arcane Accuracy AC23. Hit
11:07, Today: Afrezza rolled 24 using 1d20+12 with rolls of 12. Defensive Casting DC17. Cast Defensively
Summary: Casts Empowered Shocking Grasp defensively and spellstrikes for 42 points of damage.

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Minion: Scorpion Familiar
Position: B2, HP 23/23
 (AC 21, FFAC 18, TAC 18, CMD 21, FFCMD 18, FFTAC 12)
 Actions: Perception check (free) / Effects: none

11:19, Today: Afrezza rolled 26,34 using 1d20+8,1d20+16 with rolls of 18,18. Perception Afrezza and Scorpion.

Lainadan is on the 48 Hour Clock.