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OOC Discussion 6.

Posted by GM ArkrimFor group 0
Ario
Expert 947 BP, 303 posts
Human Rogue
Oreo
Sun 27 Dec 2015
at 04:22
  • msg #54

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Thanks!
Boadicea
Warrior 748 BP, 375 posts
Skinwalker Barbarian
Sun 27 Dec 2015
at 22:23
  • msg #55

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Almost finished with rebuild anyone wanna fight a 9th level warrior (8-barb/1-oracle)
Brakt
Warrior 882 BP, 338 posts
Warrior
SotVD
Sun 27 Dec 2015
at 22:27
  • msg #56

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I'm about to say yes if no one will ref for me and Thraxis :(
Boadicea
Warrior 748 BP, 376 posts
Skinwalker Barbarian
Sun 27 Dec 2015
at 22:33
  • msg #57

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Lol doubt we would have any better luck ... :(
Brakt
Warrior 882 BP, 339 posts
Warrior
SotVD
Sun 27 Dec 2015
at 22:35
  • msg #58

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Damn all you caster types for sticking together :(

If I agree to a ref for TA, will that be okay, since I know any calls may be skewed in their favor?
Grunyar Fangblood
Expert 1,074 BP, 393 posts
Expert
Sun 27 Dec 2015
at 22:40
  • msg #59

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I would be happy to referee you and Thraxis, if you get GM to agree to it, I will be fair and impartial ... LOL (evil laugh)
Ario
Expert 938 BP, 304 posts
Human Rogue
Oreo
Mon 28 Dec 2015
at 02:30
  • msg #60

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My favorite things:

When the dog barks
When the bee stings
When Arkrim changes his mind about something, slaps me with a penalty, then posts publicly his new rule.

It's been a lot of fun playing with all of you.  Ario and Thraxis have had enough, though.  Good luck to each of you as long as you can take it.
Grunyar Fangblood
Expert 1,074 BP, 394 posts
Expert
Mon 28 Dec 2015
at 02:49
  • msg #61

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??????
It is a great loss to lose another active player :(
GM Arkrim
GM, 5895 posts
Game Master
Mon 28 Dec 2015
at 03:24
  • msg #62

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Actually it's not new...unless 9 months ago is new? All I did is repost.

I warned you all not to PM me unless it was important. I charge you 1% BP when you do.
Ario
Expert 938 BP, 305 posts
Human Rogue
Oreo
Mon 28 Dec 2015
at 03:33
  • msg #63

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You deleted the democratic arena thread, which said don't contact you, and say you're back, but games are still democatic.  I contact you to offer a solution to allow warpriests and clerics to be playable in the game (as they're currently illegal due to house rules), offering the 1% fee to have you even consider it.  You give me the penalty, say you won't consider it, and post a modified challenge thread saying to still not talk to you?  So yeah, I'm missing the 9 month old rules part of that exchange.

Last time I contacted you, politely, and *at your invitation* and you cussed me out and penalized me.

Several times before that you've randomly called me an idiot (or worse) in private messages and threads. I like your players, but I can't deal with interacting with you anymore.
GM Arkrim
GM, 5896 posts
Game Master
Mon 28 Dec 2015
at 05:40
  • msg #64

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About 9 months ago I put up the 1% penalty for PMing a GM when you're not supposed to. The Democratic Arena thread was not taken down. It was synthesized into the existing threads. I recently added red highlighting on to it as a result of your posts. When people don't pay attention to stuff, I highlight it.

I don't think 1% BP is worth you getting this upset over. I wish I could get you guys to stop harassing me for things I don't want to deal with but unless I have a penalty, nobody seems to listen. And when I penalize people, they throw their hands in a huff like it's the end of the world. It's not like I'm asking you guys to bleed for me. Just leave me alone unless its for one of the reasons I've specified. I still don't see WHY you think a lack of custom deities makes a warpriest unplayable.

I also don't recall cussing you out, nor do I see posts of me doing that. I did say "idiot" before, is that what you're talking about? I apologized for that numerous times. I thought we were past that. I didn't realize you were still holding a grudge against me for it. I'm honestly sorry for calling people names. I was just really stressed at the time.



Well, IF you REALLY feel that way, why not just avoid interacting with me? Tell somebody else and come up with a plan democratically and then send a sacrificial lamb--erhm, I mean, ambassador to bother me. That way, you guys can do whatever you like, I won't have to be the bad guy being a grump ALL the time.

Seriously, if you guys just democratically decide what to do and only bother me once a month or so with your decisions, I'd happily just be the paper pusher around here.
Latro Dectus
Warrior 1,059 BP, 959 posts
Warrior
Shadow's Caress
Mon 28 Dec 2015
at 11:41
  • msg #65

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So...... yeah. Happy early new year? :D
Ario
Expert 938 BP, 306 posts
Mon 28 Dec 2015
at 15:18
  • msg #66

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Warpriest is unplayable (as cleric and inquisitor) because RAW it needs a deity - they are only allowed to choose domains without a deity *with gm permission*... which is always a 'no', as you have red and bold and underlined in character creation... but deities are not in approved sources and as you last said, they are for fluff/roleplaying info only.  So by your own house rules, you cannot play them.

After pointing out that there was a(seemingly by your last post, unintended) ban of base classes, I tried to give you a simple cut-and-paste rule for allowing them (with an addendum for favored weapons if you wanted it), and said I was willing to take the bp penalty for contacting you to have you consider making some copy pasta of it so they were playable for everyone.  You said you wouldn't consider it and you slapped me with a penalty.

Regarding the penalty - you said in the original democratic arena thread that we'd be allowed to contact you should a miracle happen and you have more time and return.  Then, you delete that thread, post that you're here and more available, but we're still running democratically.  (And apparently modify the challenges format thread to let us know that even though you said you were here, we shouldn't contact you - would have been nice to have that in a direct post, rather than just modified in somewhere else when you made a change.)  So sure, I guess I should have re-read the challenge format post, to see if it had been modified to determine whether I should try to help you fix the game.  My bad.

Regarding being upset - it's not the penalty I'm upset over.  In the opening of the post, I offered to pay that penalty for you to consider fixing a game issue - I was happy to pay bp to improve the game for everybody.  It's that you didn't even care enough to read the problem or the fix, and assessed the penalty anyway.

Regarding the democratic solution - you could have also said that you would like to see us doing that for seen house rule issues.  I assumed that trying to get other players to see that you had made an oversight in the rules was *way* more disrespectful than contacting you, and not just saying 'here's a problem, spend your time to fix it' but 'here's a problem, I've invested the time in trying to fix it for you, would you even consider it as a solution'.

Regarding your 'not seeing any posts where you cuss me out' - of course you don't, because you modified them out afterwards.  Modifying your posts for more moderate does not undo the verbal, though.  It may make it easier for you to feel good about yourself afterwards, but that's between you and your conscience.

Regarding the avoiding interacting with you - that's what I'm doing, permanently.

Happy new year, Latro, Grunyar, and everyone else.  I wish you all the best in 2016.

EDIT, so the players can democratically maybe get divine prep casters after I'm gone:

The gist was a house rule line approving domain choices without needing GM permission, but only allowing alignment domains if the character has that alignment.  I had also worked out a favored-weapon-by-alignment chart, with an addition that a player could instead choose a weapon that their race gave them proficiency with.   That way favored weapons could be used also, but without requiring a GM to go look up canon deities.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:55, Mon 28 Dec 2015.
GM Arkrim
GM, 5897 posts
Game Master
Tue 29 Dec 2015
at 04:03
  • msg #67

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I'm still lost. I don't have a rule banning warpriest and there is no campaign for you to require GM permission to use a deity in. It's just stats.

Just because I said "no" doesn't mean I didn't read it. I don't have any of these posts you keep talking about. It's not because I edited, them, it's because they don't exist, man. You can look at all our PMs. I'm sorry you feel that way, but I really don't know what you're talking about.

Oh, wait, I think I get it now. You're angry that you took the time to create a rule for us to use and I declined it and penalized you instead of agreeing to it or at least explaining my reasons for my rejection. You feel that I don't appreciate you because it was incredibly ungrateful and disrespectful of me to ignore your rule. Is that right? I'm not trying to be patronizing. I'm just hoping you can see the irony in this and laugh about it in the future. You're pulling an Arkrim, right now. And congrats, you've made me realize just how much of a jerkface I am. But I'm TRYING not to be.

I wish you wouldn't take my laziness personally. I'm just tired. I'm not trying to insult you or make you feel bad. Heck, the only reason I'm even paying attention to these posts is because I feel bad that I hurt your feelings and I don't really know how to fix it or make you feel better because I didn't mean to hurt you. I'm not really good at this sort of stuff.

If you genuinely want to leave, I'll take your resignation but it seems like a hasty decision if you're doing it just because you're mad at me. I'll delete you by the end of the week if that's what you want. Alternatively, if you change your mind, but still want to call me names and bark at me, just let me know before then. I DO appreciate you as a player and I'm willing to correct my mistakes if you're willing to do that same.



Sorry everyone else. It's always a battle here at the arena! Oh well. No secrets in this game. We bare all our good AND bad qualities up front and center.
Ario
Expert 938 BP, 307 posts
Tue 29 Dec 2015
at 05:57
  • msg #68

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The problem with the rules (was and is) that warpriests/clerics/inquisitors require alignment within their deity's, receive a weapon proficiency from their deity, have an aura related to their deity's and have inquisition/domains/blessings chosen from their deity's and they are not in the approved rules.  Each also says in their entry that "with gm approval" they can choose domains without having a deity.  And your house rules put the kabosh on that.

It's not that you rejected the rule.  I offered to take the penalty for you to even consider it.  I didn't ask you to just take what I wrote and apply it to the game.  I spent hours working on the wording for a solution to a game problem, and asked for you to even *consider* it, to which you replied no... not even a two word sentence, just no, and btw I'm penalizing you for wasting my time, don't talk to me.

If you're willing to work on your communicating, I'm willing to work on my being on the receiving end of it.  Thanks for taking this seriously.
GM Arkrim
GM, 5898 posts
Game Master
Tue 29 Dec 2015
at 06:28
  • msg #69

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Hmmm, so interpreting everything literally our gods are blank slates and we've had the UNSPOKEN rule of allowing people to just make them up. I don't see a problem with that as long as nobody picks an alignment-based domain that makes no sense. Are you thinking we just need to EXPLAIN that we allow people to make up their flavor text for their deities? Maybe say "anything needing GM permission is no, unless it's purely roleplay" or something like that?

Fair enough. I probably owe you a longer explanation, but I was just being lazy. It is in no way disrespect from me when I give short and uninspired answers. It's just laziness on my part. Only reason I put forth effort into this conversation is because, again, I do care about my players and I don't want people to leave because they're angry with me. Leave because you hate the game. Not because of me. If you don't hate the game, please, continue to enjoy it. I'm happy to stand aside and let you guys run it democratically. I keep saying this, I'm not joking.

Ditto.
GM Arkrim
GM, 5899 posts
Game Master
Wed 30 Dec 2015
at 20:27
  • msg #70

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Alright, now that that drama is over, who's ready to break in the new year with a battle royal?
Grunyar Fangblood
Expert 1,074 BP, 396 posts
Expert
Wed 30 Dec 2015
at 20:36
  • msg #71

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Sounds fun
Brakt
Warrior 882 BP, 340 posts
Warrior
SotVD
Wed 30 Dec 2015
at 21:31
  • msg #72

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I'm ready to break in the new year with a battle, full stop.
Boadicea
Warrior 748 BP, 377 posts
Skinwalker Barbarian
Sat 2 Jan 2016
at 09:54
  • msg #73

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I'm down for a Battle Royal, or just a match...
GM Arkrim
GM, 5900 posts
Game Master
Sun 3 Jan 2016
at 20:42
  • msg #74

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Three people. Do we have a fourth?
Grunyar Fangblood
Expert 1,074 BP, 397 posts
Expert
Sun 3 Jan 2016
at 21:23
  • msg #75

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If its just us three I'll step out and let them two go at it.
Brakt
Warrior 882 BP, 341 posts
Warrior
SotVD
Sun 3 Jan 2016
at 22:03
  • msg #76

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What, scared? :P

I'm happy with anything :D
Tinny Tina
Expert 869 BP, 301 posts
Expert
Sun 3 Jan 2016
at 22:54
  • msg #77

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Put me in, coach!
Brakt
Warrior 882 BP, 342 posts
Warrior
SotVD
Sun 3 Jan 2016
at 23:06
  • msg #78

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Wait.  I've got more BP then Tina now?

How did that happen? :(
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