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Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace.

Posted by GM ArkrimFor group 0
Josep Gavinho
Sorcerer 1,522 BP, 1056 posts
Human Sorcerer
TA - 1,494 BP
Wed 21 Sep 2016
at 07:29
  • msg #114

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

 As a side note, could you update the map with invisible people visible, as Josep sees invisibility now? Thanks.
 (I realise the Eidolon might simply have been out of range)
Kecil
Summoner 300 BP, 82 posts
Human Summoner
Wed 21 Sep 2016
at 08:06
  • msg #115

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

I forgot to factor in cover, you're right, no hit with the pellet. I'll proceed.

The rays hit, but seem to do no damage. I'll leave it to Ario to say how much more info you get.
Kecil
Summoner 300 BP, 83 posts
Human Summoner
Wed 21 Sep 2016
at 08:46
  • msg #116

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace




 ABCDEFGHIJ 
1        D 1E+2E+2E+2
2          2E+2E+2E+2
3          3E+2E+2E+2
4       PPP4
5       PPP5
6       PPP6
7      B EJ-17
8          8
9          9
10    K     10
 ABCDEFGHIJ 

K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace
P = Pupper the Eidolon


ROUND: Round 5 (Init: Kecil, Elemental, Brownie 24, Eidolon before Josep)
POSITION: J8
 ACTIONS: Complete casting of Summon Monster IV, summoning an Earth Elemental in H7. (Free)
Move to E10 (Move)
Cast Glitterdust centered on I8/I9/J8/J9
 HP: 49/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Invisibility, ???
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES: -

Cohort: DEAD

Brownie: A2, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: Move to G7 (Move)
 Sling Smoke Bullet (Standard Action)
 Effects: -

Eidolon: ??? , HP 10/78, [AC 18, FFAC 16, TAC 10, CMD 28, FFCMD 26, FFTAC 8, Fort +8, Refl +6, Will +5]
 Actions: Open eyes (Free Action)
 Full Attack (Full-Round Action)
 Effects: Greater Invisibility, Enlarge Person, ???

Earth Elemental: I7, HP 42/42 [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestia...dium-earth-elemental]
 Actions: 5 foot step to I7 (Free Action)
 Slam (Standard Action)
 Effects: Augment Summoning (+4 Str, +4 Con)

Kecil flings glittering powder into the air, swarming around Josep and highlighting his form, allowing his allies to swarm and attack the highlighted form.

Results: If Josep is armed, he gets an AoO as Kecil leaves his threatened area. Unless he's got something that will stop him from casting, from moving, or dealing more than 47 damage, the rest proceeds:

Glitterdust hits, make a Reflex save and a Will save - Reflex halves the -40 stealth penalty as well as the duration from 8 rounds to 4, and Will negates the blindness. Regardless, you are considered to have 20% Concealment.

Elemental misses by less than 5, maybe pops an image? (see below)

Brownie hits regardless, fort save DC 13 or Nauseated for 2 rounds.

Eidolon hits three times regardless, 39 damage and you are Grappled.

Question for ref: If Elemental Slam misses by less than 5, but fails miss chance, does it still pop an image? The rolls work out so it doesn't change anything but the image's presence, but I figured I should clarify.

01:35, Today: Kecil rolled 38 using 1d20+26 with rolls of 12.  Grapple (Claw).
01:35, Today: Kecil rolled 33 using 1d20+26 with rolls of 7.  Grapple (Claw).
01:35, Today: Kecil rolled 41 using 1d20+26 with rolls of 15.  Grapple (Claw).
01:34, Today: Kecil rolled 13 using 1d8+9 with rolls of 4.  Claw Damage.
01:34, Today: Kecil rolled 13 using 1d8+9 with rolls of 4.  Claw Damage.
01:34, Today: Kecil rolled 13 using 1d8+9 with rolls of 4.  Claw Damage.
01:34, Today: Kecil rolled 47 using 1d100 with rolls of 47.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
01:34, Today: Kecil rolled 1 using 1d2 with rolls of 1.  Mirror Chance? (Claw, 1 hits).
01:34, Today: Kecil rolled 26 using 1d20+14 with rolls of 12.  Eidolon Claw.
01:33, Today: Kecil rolled 16 using 1d20+14 with rolls of 2.  Eidolon Claw.
01:33, Today: Kecil rolled 63 using 1d100 with rolls of 63.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
01:33, Today: Kecil rolled 1 using 1d2 with rolls of 1.  Mirror Chance? (Claw, 1 hits).
01:33, Today: Kecil rolled 33 using 1d20+14 with rolls of 19.  Eidolon Claw.
01:32, Today: Kecil rolled 56 using 1d100 with rolls of 56.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
01:32, Today: Kecil rolled 1 using 1d2 with rolls of 1.  Mirror Chance? (Claw, 1 hits).
01:32, Today: Kecil rolled 29 using 1d20+14 with rolls of 15.  Eidolon Claw.
01:31, Today: Kecil rolled 1 using 1d2 with rolls of 1.  Mirror Chance? (Bullet, 1 hits).
01:30, Today: Kecil rolled 51 using 1d100 with rolls of 51.  Miss Chance (Bullet, >20 hits).
01:29, Today: Kecil rolled 23 using 1d20+6 with rolls of 17.  Touch Attack (Brownie Smoke Bullet).
01:29, Today: Kecil rolled 3 using 1d100 with rolls of 3.  Miss Chance (Slam, >20 hits).
01:27, Today: Kecil rolled 23 using 1d20+11 with rolls of 12.  Slam (Elemental).


OoC: That was a lot of stuff, please do tell me if I messed anything up. I did triple-check it, but that's no guarantee with me :P

Josep Gavinho
Sorcerer 1,522 BP, 1057 posts
Human Sorcerer
TA - 1,494 BP
Wed 21 Sep 2016
at 09:36
  • msg #117

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

My understanding is that if you fail due to miss chance, you don't hit the image. Might be wrong on that though.
 I think Miss Chance applies before Mirror Image is factored in, but again to be confirmed.

 Josep Gavinho rolled 29,22,13 using d20+11,d20+6,d20+6 with rolls of 18,16.  reflex, will, fortitude
  -> glitterdust for 4 rounds, no blindness, no nausea (pheew)

 I believe Erelace is up?

Ario
Kineticist 1,522 BP, 471 posts
Drider Oreo
Wed 21 Sep 2016
at 14:07
  • msg #118

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

As far as I can tell from reading the spells and looking online, the image does not disappear.  If anyone has precedent from the arena on this I'd be happy to go whatever way a GM did, though.
Kecil
Summoner 300 BP, 84 posts
Human Summoner
Wed 21 Sep 2016
at 22:50
  • msg #119

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

Okay, Erelace's turn. I'm assuming her climb speed is sufficient to move this far - if not, let me know.
 ABCDEFGHIJ 
1        D 1
2          2
3          3
4       PPP4
5       PPP5
6       PPP6E+2E+2E+2
7      B EJ-17E+2E+2E+2
8          8E+2E+2E+2
9          9
10    K     10
 ABCDEFGHIJ 

K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace
P = Pupper the Eidolon


ROUND: Round 5 (Init: Erelace before Josep, after Eidolon)
POSITION: E6/E7/E8
 ACTIONS: Move to E6/E7/E8 (Move)
 Ready Action (Standard)

 HP:  98/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20; FFAC:  20;  Touch: 8
CMD: 26; FFCMD: 26;  FFTAC: 8
 RESISTANCE: SR 17, +12 vs trip, Uncanny Dodge

EFFECTS: Bloodrage (14/18), Shield (minutes)
   GEAR: Armor, Potion, Free Gear
   USES: - SPELLS: 1st Level 1

Erelace runs along the walls to join the fray.
Josep Gavinho
Sorcerer 1,522 BP, 1058 posts
Human Sorcerer
TA - 1,494 BP
Fri 23 Sep 2016
at 08:37
  • msg #120

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

Josep is in an atrociously difficult position... he fails miserably at his attempt to escape the grapple. 

ROUND: 5
POSITION: J7(-1) (half sunken in the ground)
 ACTIONS:
  Grapple Check - fail (standard)
  Draw dagger (move)

 HP: 69/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 22; FFAC: 17; Touch: 15
CMD: 21; FFCMD: 16; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Elemental Body II : Earth (minutes) ; Mirror Image: 1 figments (minutes) ; normal cover ; See Invisibility (minutes) ; Invisibility (0/5) ; Glitterdust (1/4)
   GEAR: Ioun Stone, Bracers, Free Gear, Rod
   USES: - SPELLS: 6th level 3, 5th level 5, 2nd level 2,

Dodo: I1, HP 54/54, [AC 11, FFAC 11, TAC 11, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +4, Refl +2, Will -1]
 Actions: none
 Effects: -

ROLLS:
Josep Gavinho rolled 11 using 1d20+8 with rolls of 3.  grapple check vs CMD26

 SUMMARY: Josep fails to break the grapple, he pulls out a dagger.

this is going to be a tough one to recover from...
 looks like I never learn ; this would be my third battle lost to a grappler... 

Kecil
Summoner 300 BP, 85 posts
Human Summoner
Sat 24 Sep 2016
at 06:21
  • msg #121

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace


 ABCDEFGHIJ 
1        D 1
2          2
3          3
4       PPP4
5       PPP5
6       PPP6E+2E+2E+2
7      B EJ-17E+2E+2E+2
8          8E+2E+2E+2
9          9
10    K     10
 ABCDEFGHIJ 

K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace
P = Pupper the Eidolon


ROUND: Round 6 (Init: Kecil, Elemental, Brownie 24, Eidolon before Josep)
POSITION: J8
 ACTIONS: Cast Summon Monster I (1 round)
 HP: 49/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Invisibility, ???
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES: -

Cohort: DEAD

Brownie: A2, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: Sling Smoke Bullet (Standard Action)
 Effects: -

Eidolon: ??? , HP 10/78, [AC 18, FFAC 16, TAC 10, CMD 28, FFCMD 26, FFTAC 8, Fort +8, Refl +6, Will +5]
 Actions: Full Attack (Full-Round Action)
 Effects: Greater Invisibility, Enlarge Person, ???

Earth Elemental: I7, HP 42/42 [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestia...dium-earth-elemental]
 Actions: Slam (Standard Action)
 Effects: Augment Summoning (+4 Str, +4 Con)

The minions continue attacking Josep, bringing him closer and closer to death.


Eidolon crits once, dealing 28 damage, then pops a Mirror.
Another Smoke Bullet hits.

OoC: I just realized, should it be assumed I'm taking control of Erelace for now, or are we still doing 48 hour calls? I didn't last time, but I thought about it and thought I might've jumped the gun on that one.

Missed flanking bonuses last time, added them now.

23:19, Today: Kecil rolled 36 using 1d20+26 with rolls of 10.  Grapple.
23:17, Today: Kecil rolled 25 using 2d8+18 with rolls of 3,4.  Claw Damage (Crit).
23:16, Today: Kecil rolled 2 using 1d2 with rolls of 2.  Mirror Chance (Claw, 1 hits).
23:15, Today: Kecil rolled 85 using 1d100 with rolls of 85.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
23:15, Today: Kecil rolled 31 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 15.  Eidolon Claw.
23:06, Today: Kecil rolled 18 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 2.  Eidolon Claw.
23:06, Today: Kecil rolled 3 using 1d100 with rolls of 3.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
23:05, Today: Kecil rolled 33 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 17.  Eidolon Claw.
23:05, Today: Kecil rolled 27 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 11.  Eidolon Claw (Confirm).
23:05, Today: Kecil rolled 1 using 1d2 with rolls of 1.  Mirror Chance (Claw, 1 hits).
23:05, Today: Kecil rolled 61 using 1d100 with rolls of 61.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
23:04, Today: Kecil rolled 36 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 20.  Eidolon Claw.
23:04, Today: Kecil rolled 18 using 1d20+11 with rolls of 7.  Slam (Elemental).
23:03, Today: Kecil rolled 1 using 1d2 with rolls of 1.  Mirror Chance (Bullet, 1 hits).
23:03, Today: Kecil rolled 36 using 1d100 with rolls of 36.  Miss Chance (Bullet, >20 hits).
23:03, Today: Kecil rolled 19 using 1d20+6 with rolls of 13.  Touch Attack (Brownie Smoke Bullet).

Kecil
Summoner 300 BP, 86 posts
Human Summoner
Sat 24 Sep 2016
at 06:27
  • msg #122

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

...Wait, I messed up. Kecil's in E10, elemental's in I7 so it doesn't flank. Didn't type in the 5 foot step to move the Elemental to flanking position, I don't get those bonuses. I think that means the crit threat is not confirmed. Not sure the procedure in this case. Should I just not deal damage? Roll normal damage? Something else?
Ario
Kineticist 1,522 BP, 472 posts
Drider Oreo
Sat 24 Sep 2016
at 16:57
  • msg #123

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

You are free to take Erelace's  turn now unless she says something before you do.  As she's spoken up to let us know what was going on and gave control to Kecil, and as it was due to the decease of a family member, I'm all for just letting Kecil control her character and letting you guys (or Arkrim if you would rather not) rule on what happens with her for delay/bp, rather than just dq'ing her.



Also, Kecil, you at least partially flubbed your eidolon's turn.  As the initiator it was required to take one of the following actions: 1) as a free action release the grapple at the very beginning of his turn (which he didn't) or 2) maintain it as a standard action.  Instead you rolled 4 claw attacks as a full round action.  Also, with only enlarge person on your eidolon, it doesn't look like he should have a +26 to grapple. (6 bab, 2 size, 9 str, 2 improved grapple, 4 grab = 23)

Also, your brownie appears to not have precise shot, so Josep's cover + being engaged in melee means that your roll does not look high enough to hit him.
Kecil
Summoner 300 BP, 87 posts
Human Summoner
Sun 25 Sep 2016
at 09:02
  • msg #124

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

...Oh. Hm.

Definitely looks like I miscalculated Eidolon grapple bonuses. I guess I was thinking in 3.5, where Enlarge Person ended up at +5 total? No idea, but eh, ok.

Not sure where to go from here - I can say the Eidolon released as a free action and then full attacked (re-grabbing), as that's the closest to the current actions, or whatever elses is appropriate.

Once that's been ruled, and I do whatever's necessary to carry out anything I have to do as result of the rulings, I'll move to Erelace's turn.
Ario
Kineticist 1,522 BP, 473 posts
Drider Oreo
Tue 27 Sep 2016
at 02:45
  • msg #125

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

Josep, we need words from you at this point.
Josep Gavinho
Sorcerer 1,522 BP, 1059 posts
Human Sorcerer
TA - 1,494 BP
Tue 27 Sep 2016
at 06:21
  • msg #126

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

Anything you see fit.

I can see how the line of action implies a drop of the grapple in the first place. Let's assume that there was a free action to that end.
I didn't check the maths, but I assume this doesn't change a thing to the end result, right?
Kecil
Summoner 300 BP, 88 posts
Human Summoner
Tue 27 Sep 2016
at 07:19
  • msg #127

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

Yeah, it's still a grapple of 30+. Looks like that's resolved, so I'll take Erelace's turn...

Okay, Erelace's turn. I'm assuming her climb speed is sufficient to move this far - if not, let me know.
 ABCDEFGHIJ 
1        D 1
2          2
3          3
4       PPP4
5       PPP5
6       PPP6E+2E+2E+2
7      B EJ-17E+2E+2E+2
8          8E+2E+2E+2
9          9
10    K     10
 ABCDEFGHIJ 

K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace
P = Pupper the Eidolon


ROUND: Round 6 (Init: Erelace before Josep, after Eidolon)
POSITION: E6/E7/E8
 ACTIONS: Full Attack (Full-Round Action)

 HP:  98/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20; FFAC:  20;  Touch: 8
CMD: 26; FFCMD: 26;  FFTAC: 8
 RESISTANCE: SR 17, +12 vs trip, Uncanny Dodge

EFFECTS: Bloodrage (13/18), Shield (minutes)
   GEAR: Armor, Potion, Free Gear
   USES: - SPELLS: 1st Level 1

Erelace claws twice, ripping into Josep.

Josep takes 34 damage.

00:18, Today: Kecil rolled 17 using 3d6+8 with rolls of 1,3,5.  Erelace Claw.
00:18, Today: Kecil rolled 17 using 3d6+8 with rolls of 5,2,2.  Erelace Claw Damage.
00:17, Today: Kecil rolled 44 using 1d100 with rolls of 44.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
00:17, Today: Kecil rolled 27 using 1d20+13 with rolls of 14.  Erelace Claw.
00:17, Today: Kecil rolled 67 using 1d100 with rolls of 67.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
00:17, Today: Kecil rolled 28 using 1d20+13 with rolls of 15.  Erelace Claw.

Josep Gavinho
Sorcerer 1,522 BP, 1060 posts
Human Sorcerer
TA - 1,494 BP
Tue 27 Sep 2016
at 18:25
  • msg #128

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

ouch! smells like the end...

Unable to act or defend himself, Josep is torn to pieces and just barely clings on to life.
 He once again tries to shake away the centaurish creature... but this clearly isn't his day.


ROUND: 6
POSITION: J7(-1) (half sunken in the ground)
 ACTIONS:
  Grapple Check - fail (standard)
 HP: 7/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 22; FFAC: 17; Touch: 15
CMD: 21; FFCMD: 16; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Elemental Body II : Earth (minutes) ; Mirror Image: 1 figments (minutes) ; normal cover ; See Invisibility (minutes) ; Invisibility (1/5) ; Glitterdust (2/4)
   GEAR: Ioun Stone, Bracers, Free Gear, Rod
   USES: - SPELLS: 6th level 3, 5th level 5, 2nd level 2,

Dodo: I1, HP 54/54, [AC 11, FFAC 11, TAC 11, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +4, Refl +2, Will -1]
 Actions: weeps.
 Effects: -

ROLLS:
Josep Gavinho rolled 11 using 1d20+8 with rolls of 3.  grapple check vs CMD26

 SUMMARY: Josep fails to break the grapple, he waits for the coup de grace.
Kecil
Summoner 300 BP, 89 posts
Human Summoner
Wed 28 Sep 2016
at 02:13
  • msg #129

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace


 ABCDEFGHIJ 
1        D 1
2          2
3          3
4       PPP4
5       PPP5
6       PPP6E+2E+2E+2
7      B EJ-17E+2E+2E+2
8          8E+2E+2E+2
9          9
10    K     10
 ABCDEFGHIJ 

K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace
P = Pupper the Eidolon


ROUND: Round 7 (Init: Kecil, Elemental, Brownie 24, Eidolon before Josep)
POSITION: J8
 ACTIONS: Talk (Free)
 HP: 49/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Invisibility, ???
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES: -

Cohort: DEAD

Brownie: A2, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: Victory Dance (Full-round?)
 Effects: -

Eidolon: ??? , HP 10/78, [AC 18, FFAC 16, TAC 10, CMD 28, FFCMD 26, FFTAC 8, Fort +8, Refl +6, Will +5]
 Actions: Maintain Grapple, dealing Claw Damage (Standard)
 Effects: Greater Invisibility, Enlarge Person, ???

Earth Elemental: I7, HP 42/42 [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestia...dium-earth-elemental]
 Actions: None
 Effects: Augment Summoning (+4 Str, +4 Con)

Kecil nods, saying "Well, fought." Without further ceremony, his eidolon snaps Josep's neck.

Josep takes 15 damage from the grapple.

I think that's it? (I mean, you still have your familiar and such, but it seems this falls under "there is no way for your foes to recover within this time". If so, good game! I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

19:08, Today: Kecil rolled 15 using 1d8+9 with rolls of 6.  Grapple Damage (Claw).
19:07, Today: Kecil rolled 26 using 1d20+23 with rolls of 3.  Grapple.

Josep Gavinho
Sorcerer 1,522 BP, 1061 posts
Human Sorcerer
TA - 1,494 BP
Wed 28 Sep 2016
at 19:48
  • msg #130

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

 This is where a maniacal laughter break in the arena, and the dodo utters: "Ha! In fact I was the wizard and you just killed my familiar!" -- but no, this is actually it.

 Good game; I painfully realized how poorly prepared I am against grappling foes, and it does teach me to never underestimate my opponent, even when they have a quarter of my BP!

 Good game indeed! Dodo will surrender without making trouble.
Ario
Kineticist 1,522 BP, 474 posts
Drider Oreo
Wed 28 Sep 2016
at 22:04
  • msg #131

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

Alrighty.  Declarations, then I can post maths and we can get this closed.
Josep Gavinho
Sorcerer 1,522 BP, 1062 posts
Human Sorcerer
TA - 1,494 BP
Wed 28 Sep 2016
at 22:06
  • msg #132

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

Josep is true neutral, has 1,494 BP and used no hero point.
Kecil
Summoner 300 BP, 90 posts
Human Summoner
Wed 28 Sep 2016
at 23:13
  • msg #133

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

Kecil is True Neutral, has 389 BP and used no hero points.
Ario
Kineticist 1,522 BP, 475 posts
Drider Oreo
Thu 29 Sep 2016
at 04:12
  • msg #134

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

As she's not been on for a week, nor posted in almost two and gave us permission to finish the match for her:


Erelaces is TN, has 351 BP and used no hero points.
Ario
Kineticist 1,522 BP, 476 posts
Drider Oreo
Thu 29 Sep 2016
at 04:45
  • msg #135

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

WINNER(S)
Kecil (389) used 0 hero points
Erelace (351) used 0 hero points

LOSER
Josep  (1494) used 0 hero points


DETAILS
Duration: 8 rounds.
Players: 3 players.

(8 Rounds* 3 Players * 2) + 15 = 63 Total Rewards for Referee.

1494 (loser BP total) * 90 = 134460 / 1 (# of losers) = 134460
1) Kecil's reward: 134460 / 389 = 345 (1/2 this is max reward for referee - 172)
2) Erelace's reward: 134460 / 351 = 383. (50% reduction for delay in game would leave it at 192 if necessary)

740 (winner BP total) * 30 = 22200 / 2 (# of winners) = 11100
1) Josep's reward: 11100 / 1494 = 7. (1/2 this is min reward for referee - 3)
GM Arkrim
GM, 6126 posts
Game Master
Sat 1 Oct 2016
at 05:06
  • msg #136

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

Match outcome and math do not match. Josep is not two people. Kecil & Erelace are not one. Not sure what happened. Please correct post so I can delete this one and close match.
Kecil
Summoner 300 BP, 93 posts
Human Summoner
Sat 1 Oct 2016
at 07:43
  • msg #137

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

Not to contradict anyone, just trying to clarify if I can, since you said you're not sure what happened. I'm going to go through how I read it, step by step using the formulas under "Finishing a Match", quotes in bold:

LoserTeamTotal #BP * 90 = LoseX / (# of losers) = LoseXPot, so:

LoseX = (total BP of the losing team)*90, and

LoseXPot = (LoseX)/(# of losers)

So, since Josep (1494 BP, 1 player) lost:

LoseX = (1494)*90

LoseXPot = (LoseX)/(1) = 134460

Then, LoseXPot / Winner 1 #BP = Total Rewards for Winner 1, so:

Total Rewards for Winner 1 (Kecil) = 134460/(Kecil's BP) = 134460/389 = 345

Similarly, LoseXPot / Winner 2 #BP = Total Rewards for Winner 2, so:

Total Rewards for Winner 2 (Erelace) = 134460/(Erelace's BP) = 134460/351 = 383, or if reduced by half, 191.



For the other side, WinnerTeamTotal #BP * 30 = WinX / (# of winners), so:

WinX = (total BP of the winning team)*30, and

WinXpot = (WinX)/(# of winners)

Since Erelace (389 BP) and Kecil (351 BP) (2 players) won:

WinX = (389+351)*30 = 22200, and WinXPot = 22200/(2 winners) = 11100.

Then, WinXPot / Loser 1 #BP = Total Rewards for Loser 1, so:

Total Rewards for Loser 1 (Josep) = 11100/(Loser's BP) = 111000/1494 = 7.



Let me know if I got anything wrong, or if I'm stepping out of my bounds saying it, but hopefully that helps clarify.
Ario
Kineticist 1,522 BP, 477 posts
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Sat 1 Oct 2016
at 12:49
  • msg #138

Re: Juggernaut #12: Josep vs. Kecil & Erelace

I see.  There is a typo in the equations - dividing each pot by the number of people on the other team rather than dividing each pot between its own team members.  I assumed this was an adjustment to keep someone from stomping on groups of low level characters to get a fast bp rise, but clearly it's off and would be a swing way too far the other way.  As I learned on the railroad, "You know what happens when you assume things? ...  Trains go off the tracks and people die."

Correcting that, the rewards should be:

WINNER(S)
Kecil (389) used 0 hero points
Erelace (351) used 0 hero points

LOSER
Josep  (1494) used 0 hero points


DETAILS
Duration: 8 rounds.
Players: 3 players.

(8 Rounds* 3 Players * 2) + 15 = 63 Total Rewards for Referee.

1494 (loser BP total) * 90 = 134460 / 2 (# of winners) = 67230
1) Kecil's reward: 67230 / 389 = 173 (1/2 this is max reward for referee - 86)
2) Erelace's reward: 67230 / 351 = 192. (50% reduction for delay in game would leave it at 96 if necessary)

740 (winner BP total) * 30 = 22200 / 1 (# of losers) = 22200
1) Josep's reward: 22200 / 1494 = 15. (1/2 this is min reward for referee - 7)
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