Let's do this.

Josep Gavinho rolled 31 using 1d20+18 with rolls of 13.  Initiative juggernaut

Josep will start in J1 unless someone goes before him and picks the corner.

Good luck guys.

20:42, Today: Erelace Barrityl rolled 8 using 1d20+6 with rolls of 2.  Initiative Juggernaut.

If No one has any problems J10-I9 is me.


This message was last edited by the player at 03:47, Sat 20 Aug 2016.

2 initiative posts down... and already with the PM's.

Here we go.

Erelace, when you PM'd me your sheet, I specifically asked you to send it in a new post rather than editing one already completed.  This is your warning about editing posts.  Do not edit posts unless you are specifically told to by your ref or the GM.  Further edits without being told to will result in a 1-3% bp penalty.

In reply to Ario (msg # 6):
 Sorry, I had made it a pm to myself...

I am Ready when Kecil is.

Moar PM'S:

pm

Kecil, we need your initiative post and character sheet.

For Kecil and Erelace: There were some irregularities in Josep's sheet: 2 items he couldn't afford and a feat he couldn't take.  He's offered to treat all three as blank, but will need to reduce his initiative modifier by two.  He will thus need you two to agree on whether he should reroll with the new modiifer or just reduce his initial roll by the difference.

Sorry, I was helping my brother move into a dorm, it's been a busy couple days.

I'm fine with either, leaning slightly towards reroll. To be honest, that's because it's strategically advantageous, but that feels a little wrong.

I've been assuming Eidolon acts with Summoner (as it is a summoned creature), and Familiar acts with Master (less basis, but that's how I've seen it played). With that in mind:

21:47, Today: Kecil rolled 2 using 1d20-1 with rolls of 3.  Initiative (Cohort).
21:46, Today: Kecil rolled 24 using 1d20+6 with rolls of 18.  Initiative (Kecil).

Items: Crossbow, Bolts, Weapon Blanch.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:41, Tue 23 Aug 2016.

I leaning towards re-roll to.

 No shame in making a strategic choice guys!

 10:01, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 23 21 using 1d20+16 14 with rolls of 7.  Initiative

 Also Ario, I realised as I was copying this that my actual modifier should be 4 lower, not 1 lower.
 This making my initiative 21, not 23.
 Or I can reroll again, sorry.

 pm

Words for Kecil before we really get started - this may take a bit as there appear to be about a dozen errors in the sheet (though some of them are not in his favor).

Damn, I was expecting something to slip through but not that many. Apologies, I should have spent the time to check earlier, or not rushed to post the sheet.

Okay, once you guys decide on Josep's initiative and Kecil's feat (see following), we are all set to go.

Kecil had several maths errors in his favor (corrected), an unapproved item (nixed), a couple errors not in his favor (kept as-is), and an illegal feat on a minion.  He would like to change the feat to one the minion actually qualifies for, but it is up to Josep whether he gets to do so (and Josep can request additional details on it if he desires).  Notably, as Josep volunteered to have all of his illegal choices just nixed, it should not be seen as petty if he asks for the same for Kecil's feat.

Well, I'm going to be very straightforward.
I'm ok with replacing the feat, if I'm allowed to replace the illegal feat I had on Josep as well.
I should also be earnest and point out, the trade off is most likely not going to work out in your favour, but I thought I would still offer.

...I didn't actually want to get the feat re-done, was just pointing out what happened. I'm just going to live with my mistakes, I think .-.

 All right then; note that it wouldn't be wrong to go for the swap, as long as we're all on the same page.

 I suppose that means you're up, unless your initiative mod has changed in the process.

In reply to Ario (msg # 6):
 A copy of my sheet in pm, with the corrections, to avoid any misunderstandings:

K = Kecil
C = Cohort
B = Brownie

ROUND: Round Prep
POSITION: A1
 ACTIONS: Cast a spell. Eidolon turns invisible.

 HP: 77/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: None
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES: -

Cohort: B1, HP 30/30, [AC 9, FFAC 9, TAC 9, CMD 11, FFCMD 11, FFTAC 9, Fort +3, Refl +1, Will +7]
 Actions: -
 Effects: -

Brownie: A2, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: -
 Effects: -

Eidolon: Last seen B2/B3/C2/C3, HP 78/78, [AC 19, FFAC 17, TAC 11, CMD 26, FFCMD 24, FFTAC 9, Fort +8, Refl +6, Will +5]
 Actions: ???
 Effects: -

ooc: could you add a brief description of you and your minions, and your actions? thanks.

  Josep finally walked into the arena. It had been a long awaited fight. And his first juggernaut --as juggernaut.

 He quickly cast two spells, the first turning him into a stocky stony sturdy version of himself, the second making copies of him.

 Suddenly Josep and his doubles disappeared into the ground, leaving nothing but a ripple of dirt where he stood just a few moments earlier!

His familiar --a plump bird ill-suited to battle-- just stayed behind and quacked...


K = Kecil
C = Cohort
B = Brownie
J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
E = Erelace

ROUND: Round Prep
POSITION: J1 to J1(-2)
 ACTIONS: Cast a Elemental Body II (standard).
  Cast Quickened Mirror Image (swift)
  Move 10ft (earth glide) below the surface (move)

 HP: 108/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 22; FFAC: 17; Touch: 15
CMD: 21; FFCMD: 16; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Elemental Body II : Earth (minutes) ; Mirror Image: 6 figments (minutes)
   GEAR: Ioun Stone, Bracers, Free Gear, Rod
   USES: - SPELLS: 6th level 1, 5th level 1

Dodo: I1, HP 54/54, [AC 11, FFAC 11, TAC 11, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +4, Refl +2, Will -1]
 Actions: -
 Effects: -

 SUMMARY: Josep polymorphs into an Earth Elemental and creates illusory doubles (6 of them).

Materializing onto the battlefield, Kecil, his elf companion, a huge, four-legged-two-armed beast, and a tiny humanoid creature say nothing as they enter the battlefield. Kecil simply mutters an arcane phrase, and the huge creature disappears.

    Erelace enters the arena for her first match. She looks first to her partner
    then to the mage they had challenged.

   She watches as the mage disappears under the earth then sees his bird he left
   behind. She quickly decides to attack the bird. She cast a spell to shield
   herself. Then quickly moves to attack the bird growing in size as she does.
   She lets out a battle cry as she looks down at the bird having doubled in size.



K = Kecil    J = Josep
C = Cohort   D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace

ROUND: Round Prep
POSITION: J10-I9 to J3-H5
 ACTIONS: Cast Shield (standard).
  Move 30 ft  (Move)
  BloodRage (Free)

 HP: 108/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 21; FFAC:  19;  Touch: 9
CMD: 27; FFCMD: 26;  FFTAC: 8
 RESISTANCE: SR 17, +12 vs trip, Uncanny Dodge

EFFECTS: Bloodrage (18/18), Shield (minutes)
   GEAR: Armor, Potion, Free Gear
   USES: - SPELLS: 1st Level 1



 SUMMARY: Cast Shield the moves and rages.

This message was deleted by the player at 00:36, Thu 25 Aug 2016.

Kecil, please post positions, actions, and attempted actions in the action line as normal, and leave the types of action taken visible.
For example:
Position: ???? [private line with actual position]
Actions: [private line with action] ???? (standard), [private line with action] ??? (move)

Please repost your actions, then delete the previous post for clearness.

K = Kecil    J = Josep
C = Cohort   D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace


ROUND: Round Prep
POSITION: ???
 ACTIONS: ???

 HP: 77/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: ???
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES: -

Cohort: F1, HP 30/30, [AC 9, FFAC 9, TAC 9, CMD 11, FFCMD 11, FFTAC 9, Fort +3, Refl +1, Will +7]
 Actions: Cast a spell on Kecil (standard)
 Move to F1 (move)
 Effects: -

Brownie: A2, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: Apply a potion to Kecil (full-round)
 Effects: -

Eidolon: ??? , HP 78/78, [AC 19, FFAC 17, TAC 11, CMD 26, FFCMD 24, FFTAC 9, Fort +8, Refl +6, Will +5]
 Actions: ???
 Effects: -

Frowning, Kecil says, "Focus me, then stop his burrowing." He accepts the magical enhancements from both his allies, disappearing.

PM

PM to a different person

PM

PM

PM

PM more!

PM

 PM

Note: I have not taken Kecil/Eidolon's turn (round 1). That was just the end of Prep. I will make an IC combat post soon, separately.

Hopefully the last PM for a while.

OoC: Scratch the potion, it turns out it was an illegal item we didn't catch before. Sorry everyone.

The arena is silent for a moment as Kecil and his eidolon invisibly do... something.



K = Kecil    J = Josep
C = Cohort   D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace


ROUND: Round Prep
POSITION: ???
 ACTIONS: ???

 HP: 77/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: ???
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES: -

Cohort: F1, HP 30/30, [AC 9, FFAC 9, TAC 9, CMD 11, FFCMD 11, FFTAC 9, Fort +3, Refl +1, Will +7]
 Actions: -
 Effects: -

Brownie: A2, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: -
 Effects: -

Eidolon: ??? , HP 78/78, [AC 19, FFAC 17, TAC 11, CMD 26, FFCMD 24, FFTAC 9, Fort +8, Refl +6, Will +5]
 Actions: ???
 Effects:

Josep takes a 5ft step upwards, peeking outside and listening for unseen foes.

ACTIONS: 5ft step to J1(-1) (free), perception (free)
ACTIONS (dodo): perception (free), perception (standard)

ROLLS:
09:26, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 16 using 1d20+10 with rolls of 6.  Dodo perception .
09:24, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 20 using 1d20+14 with rolls of 6.  Josep perception.

Do any of these allow me to pinpoint Kecil or his Eidolon's position?

(Rest of the turn to follow)

It does locate Kecil in A2 (Perception TN 2 + distance)
It does not locate the Eidolon (Perception TN currently 38 + distance)

Josep's upper torso was out of the ground, while his lower body was still out of sight. His distorted stone-like features made it difficult to tell what he was doing.

 He cast a first spell, invoking a ball of fire on the battlefield. The flames caught almost everyone but him and his bird. Including the invisible Eidolon, he hoped.
 He then swiftly screamed his magic at the Drider, making her ears bleed a little.

His familiar stayed idly put.

ROUND: 1
POSITION: J1(-2) to J1(-1)
 ACTIONS: 5ft step upwards (free)
 Perception (free)
 Draw Rod (move)
 Cast Empowered Dazing Fireball on  D2/E3 intersection (standard)
  Cast Quickened Ear-Piercing Scream on Erelace (swift)

 HP: 108/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 22; FFAC: 17; Touch: 15
CMD: 21; FFCMD: 16; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Elemental Body II : Earth (minutes) ; Mirror Image: 6 figments (minutes) ; cover
   GEAR: Ioun Stone, Bracers, Free Gear, Rod
   USES: - SPELLS: 6th level 2, 5th level 2

Dodo: I1, HP 54/54, [AC 11, FFAC 11, TAC 11, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +4, Refl +2, Will -1]
 Actions: perception
 Effects: -

ROLLS:
17:33, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 32 using 1d20+12 with rolls of 20.  Ear piercing scream SR check .
17:32, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 16 using 1d20+12 with rolls of 4.  Fireball SR check. .
17:11, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 21 using 5d6+5 with rolls of 2,2,2,6,4.  Ear piercing scream .
09:26, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 12 using 1d20+10 with rolls of 2.  Dodo perception (standard action).
09:26, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 16 using 1d20+10 with rolls of 6.  Dodo perception .
09:24, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 20 using 1d20+14 with rolls of 6.  Josep perception.
09:21, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 32 using 10d6 with rolls of 5,2,1,6,3,3,3,3,4,2.  Empowered Dazing Fireball.

 SUMMARY: Josep emerges. He casts an empowered dazing fireball (everyone takes 58 fire damage and is dazed for 3 rounds, reflex DC18  for half damage and no daze) ; he screams in Erelace's ear ( 21 damage and dazed for 1 round, Fort DC15 for half damage and no daze)

That's all for now, but stay tuned for more

Wait, does that mean your actions aren't over?

Ha! Sorry, that's not what I meant. My actions for this round are over.

PMs

   Lashes out with her claws when Josep cast fireball. Then quickly climbs up
      the wall. She bears her fangs at the scream and lashes out again at the Mage.


ooc: Only way I could think of marking it on the map.
K = Kecil    J = Josep
C = Cohort   D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace

 ROUND: Round One
 POSITION: J1-J3 +2 Wall
 ACTIONS: Moves up wall by 10ft and moves forward 10ft (Move)
          Attacks Josep. (Standard action)

 HP:  98/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20; FFAC:  20;  Touch: 8
CMD: 26; FFCMD: 26;  FFTAC: 8
 RESISTANCE: SR 17, +12 vs trip, Uncanny Dodge

EFFECTS: Bloodrage (17/18), Shield (minutes)
   GEAR: Armor, Potion, Free Gear
   USES: - SPELLS: 1st Level 1

Rolls:
22:04, Today: Erelace Barrityl rolled 20 using 3d6+8 with rolls of 4,5,3.  Claw Damage to Josep.
22:03, Today: Erelace Barrityl rolled 26 using 1d20+13 with rolls of 13.  Attack Vs Josep.
21:25, Today: Erelace Barrityl rolled 31 using 1d20+13 with rolls of 18.  AoO Attack Vs Josep casting Fireball.
21:26, Today: Erelace Barrityl rolled 19 using 3d6+8 with rolls of 5,5,1.  Claw Damage to Josep.
21:12, Today: Erelace Barrityl rolled 22 using 1d20+10 with rolls of 12.  Fort vs Ear-Piercing Scream.

SUMMARY: Attack of Opportunity vs Josep casting fireball. Climbs up wall and above Jeosep and attacks again.

You need to roll vs the mirror images, I believe. And reflex vs the fireball, if you haven't?

 The fireball failed to pierce Erelace's Spell Resistance.

 You can't take aoo when flat-footed (which you are until you act in round 1).
 Josep is half-sunken in the ground, so he has cover.
 You need to roll a d7 to see whether you hit Josep or an illusion.

Uncanny Dodge and improved uncanny dodge. I am never Flat-footed.



For AoO Attack:
02:07, Today: Erelace Barrityl rolled 2 using 1d7 with rolls of 2.  Mirror Image.

For Normal Attack:
02:10, Today: Erelace Barrityl rolled 6 using 1d7 with rolls of 6.  Mirror Image.

BTW you still in my attack range.

P.S. If I did hit you roll concentration on that fireball.

I believe that is one miss, and one hit, but the second hit (normal attack) is post-fireball, so it takes effect. I think that resolves this bit - may I act?

Nothing blocks my line of sight. On either attack as long as I can see you head I can hit it. Sadly for you Bloodrager is the ultimate antimage Class. BTW when I get to your level I be taking that champions belt. :)

I could say you have partial cover but that only gives a +2 AC so I still hit.

 Josep has cover relative to Erelace (or anyone really) because his lower half is below ground. That is, per the rules you quoted, no line from any square of yours can reach the lower square on which Josep stands without going though the ground (because you attack with reach).

 Additionally to the bonus to AC,

No aoo thus.

 Now for your normal attack. When rolling a d7 to determine whether you hit the actual Target, you should specify in the dice roller which result strikes true. Generally, a 1 strikes true.
 In the case that you do hit, the next dice you roll will be a d6, etc.

 You can reroll the d7 if you want (specify 1=josep, or some such, in the dice roller line)

 (I'll take you up on that championship challenge, but it's unlikely I'll still have the belt then! Ario is rising, Hiro wants it back, Tina is
Interested...)

04:32, Today: Erelace Barrityl rolled 7 using 1d7 with rolls of 7.  Mirror Image.

Only one I worried about fighting again is Tina. She is tricky. BTW I just going to drag you out of the ground now.

You're welcome to try!

 Josep loses one mirror image. Next to attack should roll a d6 rather than a d7.
 As a general rule, let's say that you strike true on a 1.

 Kevin is up I think.

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 57):
  *Kecil. Evidently.

OoC: I know, friggin' autocorrect always thinks my name is Kevin.



K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace


ROUND: Round 1
POSITION: ???
 ACTIONS: ???

 HP: 77/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: ???
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES: -

Cohort: DEAD

Brownie: A2, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: Move to E1 (Move)
 Sling Smoke Bullet (Standard)
 Effects: -

Eidolon: ??? , HP 78/78, [AC 19, FFAC 17, TAC 11, CMD 26, FFCMD 24, FFTAC 9, Fort +8, Refl +6, Will +5]
 Actions: ???
 Effects:

Seemingly from nowhere, something swings at Josep, and he feels a sharp pain as his head is roughly grabbed and lacerated in several places. Several of his images simultaneously disappear, one from a smoky orb that explodes in a puff of colored gas as it passes through and strikes the ground, and two from some invisible attack.

The scorched corpse of Kecil's cohort lays still.

Summary: Invisible assault on Josep, plus a mirror-missed sling attack. Three images popped.

Josep, you're Grappled via the Grab ability, and take 13 slashing damage.

Also: Brownie is alive via (Improved) Evasion. There wasn't a spot for resistances on the minion template, but it's for being a Familiar.

Important Note: This is the end of round 1. Round 2 coming in a separate post, right after this.

11:22, Today: Kecil rolled 13 using 1d6+8 with rolls of 5.  Claw Damage.
11:15, Today: Kecil rolled 3 using 1d4 with rolls of 3.  Mirror Chance (Bullet, 1 hits).
11:14, Today: Kecil rolled 19 using 1d20+6 with rolls of 13.  Touch Attack (Brownie Smoke Bullet).
11:06, Today: Kecil rolled 5 using 1d5 with rolls of 5.  Mirror Chance (Claw, 1 hits).
11:06, Today: Kecil rolled 4 using 1d6 with rolls of 4.  Mirror Chance (Claw, 1 hits).
11:03, Today: Kecil rolled 22 using 1d20+21 with rolls of 1.  Grapple (Claw).
11:01, Today: Kecil rolled 87 using 1d100 with rolls of 87.  Miss Chance (Claw, >50 hits).
11:00, Today: Kecil rolled 17 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 1.  Attack (Eidolon Claw).
11:00, Today: Kecil rolled 25 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 9.  Attack (Eidolon Claw).
11:00, Today: Kecil rolled 32 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 16.  Attack (Eidolon Claw).
11:00, Today: Kecil rolled 24 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 8.  Attack (Eidolon Claw).

OoC: Man, right after succeeding with a nat1, I fail on a nat 20... :D

Also, I missed a few stat updates on the round 1 post. They've been corrected, use these.

<quote Kecil>
OoC: I know, friggin' autocorrect always thinks my name is Kevin.



K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace


ROUND: Round 1
POSITION: ???
 ACTIONS: ???
K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace


ROUND: Round 1
POSITION: ???
 ACTIONS: ???

 HP: 49/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: ???
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES: -

Cohort: DEAD

Brownie: A2, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: Move to E1 (Move)
 Sling Smoke Bullet (Standard)
 Effects: -

Eidolon: ??? , HP 78/78, [AC 18, FFAC 16, TAC 10, CMD 28, FFCMD 26, FFTAC 8, Fort +8, Refl +6, Will +5]
 Actions: ???
 Effects:

After a snarl from south of Josep, the battlefield is mostly quiet for a moment as the invisible force retains its iron grip on Josep's head.

Summary: Nothing visible.

11:32, Today: Kecil rolled 33 using 1d20+13 with rolls of 20.  Concentration (DC 43 o.o)

I see two Post WTH just happened I am confused.

In reply to Erelace Barrityl (msg # 61):

My bad, I wrote out the whole "next post is round 2" thing but I actually forgot to change the second round to "Round 2" >.<

It's the end of round 1 and the beginning of round 2. Josep is up.

 I understand you initiated the grapple through the grab ability, I suppose on the claw attack.
 I can only see one claw attack which hits my AC (including cover), and no mirror image roll which resulted in a 1.
 Which attack is is that started the grapple?
 Is the Eidolon still invisible after the attack?

 An other question, did the Eidolon avoid all damage from fireball, or is that an oversight?

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 63):

The Eidolon has Evasion, due to being an Eidolon of summoner level 2nd level or greater. (I think maybe the Minion statblocks need to be slightly more expansive to include resistances)

The Eidolon has Greater Invisibility, giving him +2 to hit and making you Flat-Footed, if I'm not mistaken.

The Eidolon closed its eyes and ignored the Images entirely on the first attack, making it a flat 50% miss chance (thus the d% miss chance on the first attack). Since that hit, it opened its eyes and just swiped at images the other attacks that hit. This is my bad, I think - I had the strategy planned a long time ago and I guess I stopped thinking about it actively.

Edit - Missed a question, and adding another couple notes, since I believe that is ok for noncombat posts:

The attack that initiated the grab was a Claw attack. I'm... not sure what the protocol is if you avoid that attack, as I've already rolled the Mirrors, but at the same time, the point of switching to open-eyed attacking was "I've already grabbed him", so the Eidolon would continue close-eyed if possible...

Also this assumed that blinking is a free action.

Lastly, I did look up the Charge rules, which state you must have line of sight of the target at the beginning of the turn to charge. However I learned from the whole illegal potion thing that one place not prohibiting something does not mean it is not prohibited by another section of the rules. I haven't found anything contradictory yet, though...
This message was last edited by the player at 17:20, Sat 27 Aug 2016.

All right, I understand what you were doing now.
I suppose you had these actions listed in private to the ref, hence why I didn't see them.
You should still specify, for each minion, which type of action was taken.
Pathfinder doesn't specify what kind of action it is to close or open your eyes.
Last time I remember someone closing their eyes to avoid Mirror Image, it was ruled by the GM that I was a free action, but the creature remains blind until their next turn. Also, your take penalties on your attack roll and movement for being blind.

I'll wait for Ario to rule on what happens in that end of round 1 and beginning of round 2 before I post my actions.

I actually didn't specify in PM that the eidolon was doing that, only that it was attacking (and then I rolled following that strategy). Like I mentioned, I basically had it set in my head, so I stopped thinking of it actively as anything different than the "normal attack pattern", which is my bad. Edit: I guess I was kind of thinking that it was obvious from my rolls, but that clearly wasn't the case, so again, my fault. Apologies. I haven't had enough time to compensate for my bad proofreading and checking skills to really look before I leap.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:28, Sat 27 Aug 2016.

Per a ruling by Sely, the eyes close at the beginning of the turn and are closed until the start of the next turn.

Nothing of what Kecil said was in private action lines other than "charge with pounce".  No justification was made for making a roll other than what was called for.  As Josep called out the failure to make a proper roll, and Kecil had no reason for not making it, Kecil's Eidolon's grabbing attack fails to hit Josep's actual self.  As the failure to roll for images does not mitigate having hit Josep's AC, and as the attacks were not labeled with any kind of order, all 3 hits will pop images.

The Brownie may re-roll its images are there is only 1 image remaining when it goes.

Kecil may then edit his turn 2 post to strike through it (just select all and click on the strike option and post the turn's actions as he sees fit, or he may post that he will be leaving it as it stands.

Can I ask to have the attacks be made as simply eyes-closed (50% miss chance on each)? I noted the lack of notation before anybody else pointed it out, saying it was my bad in the post before Josep mentioned he didn't see anything like that in public posts. I didn't think a free action like that needed to be mentioned beyond rolling appropriately for that action, as I believed it was obvious, which again is now clearly untrue.

If that is not acceptable, then I would like to request that I be dropped from the match and Erelace be allowed to take additional attacks as if she did not have to move out the way for me, as I believe she'd have a better chance with that. I would really rather not reduce my teammate's chances because I wasn't able to spend sufficient time proofreading, clarifying, or thinking through my actions sufficiently.

If this is not possible, I apologize and will continue the fight.

Under the assumption that the ruling is final and will not be altered, I will not take the implied optional reroll, because I must note that there would not be one, but two mirror images left, and thus my roll of 3 would simply hit an image.

I don't see anything of you explaining why no mirror image roll made prior to Josep calling it on post 63.  If I'm missing something, let me know - all actions (free or not) that you intend to have  an in game effect need to be declared.

Per the previous ruling from Sely, if you wanted your eidolon to close his eyes, he closes his eyes at the start of turn, can't charge and passes turn as you gave him no legal actions with his eyes closed.  The ruling I gave was the most fair I could work out as your only problem with the post as written was not rolling the mirror image and not labeling your attacks.

You cannot walk away from a match once it is started, and you have not yet reached the conditions for concession.  (Check defeat and victory section of the arena rules - you'd lose 5% of your total BP. Leaving a game early is pure bad for you, and does not in any way buff your ally.)

I think this chain of quotes make my mistake most clear:







I did not mention it before post 63, but I did note that I didn't write out what I considered trivial, before Josep said he saw no such action.

I see now your complete ruling includes closing eyes at the beginning of the turn resulting in not ever having sight at the start of the turn. Therefore my proposed action is illegal, which was not clear to me until just now.

My proposed action was a retcon to simply erase my actions, and as a courtesy allow the most recent actions to be changes as if they were mistakes from a misunderstanding. I do not mind the BP loss as I then intended on quitting the Arena entirely, as it has become clear I do not have time to properly abide by its rules.

However, since it is clear you would not allow that, I will take the actions noted:



One final confirmation: This is valid, correct? Because I believe Josep has lost one entity from Erelace, and three from my Eidolon, out of six to begin with.

 I won't comment on the rulings and options, as it would only add a layer of complexity to an already tangled situation.

 I just want to say, bear with us.
 The rules of the arena can be overwhelming at first (and you wouldn't be the first one to drop after their first couple of fights because of how tedious it is), but it's also great fun once you master the format (and it gets easier to know what you can and can't do).

 Your build is solid and it doesn't take much to bring your formatting in line with the arena standard.
 (Sorry if this sound patronising, it is not my intent.)

 We should probably have played with the "hidden on the map" optional rule, it makes things easier to manage.

Yeah, I still have things that come up in matches that I didn't know were rulings.  And to be clear about the ruling, if (as josep was willing to assume) you had clearly declared the eyes open/eyes closed/eyes open thing I would have encouraged josep to let you roll the 1d4 miss chance for the claw to resolve the illegal action legally.  Every action (free or not) needs to be visible to the ref.

Thanks for the integrity with the brownie - I had miss-counted.  Also, you're playing up 1200 bp and aren't dead round one... in fact 2/3 of your minions aren't dead in round one also, so congrats on that.

Lastly, agreement between the players trumps ruling by ref in an individual match, so if Josep wants to offer you something else as an alternative, he's welcome to.  Otherwise, on with round 2.

Can someone summarize this for me where I can hit someone. Please.

Thank you for your kind words, but I think I will have to at the very least stop playing for some time. The realization came in two parts, both that this is a lot more bookwork than I anticipated, and also that classes are starting and I just got assigned 150 pages of reading in 2 days before the class even started o.O

I'll be giving it at least a week before I settle into a schedule and can (hopefully) give this the attention it deserves.

In reply to Erelace Barrityl (msg # 74):

I'll do my best...

Essentially, my Eidolon cannot open/close it's eyes at will as a free action - It can intentionally blind itself as a free action, but then its eyes are closed the whole turn. Thus, i can't bypass the normal Mirror miss chance in favor of blindness miss chance. So, my actions had to be edited somewhat.

Now it is Josep's turn, and he has one Mirror Image left.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:19, Sun 28 Aug 2016.

Noted. I'll try and post later today.

Josep's upper torso was still the only visible part of him.

  He started shooting rays of fire, aiming at an invisible opponent.

 Finally he ducked out of sight.


ROUND: 1
POSITION: J1(-1) to J1(-4)
 ACTIONS: Perception (free)
 Cast Empowered Maximized Scorching Ray (standard)
  Cast Quickened Scorching Ray (swift)
  Burrow 15ft down (move)

 HP: 108/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 22; FFAC: 17; Touch: 15
CMD: 21; FFCMD: 16; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Elemental Body II : Earth (minutes) ; Mirror Image: 1 figments (minutes) ; total cover
   GEAR: Ioun Stone, Bracers, Free Gear, Rod
   USES: - SPELLS: 6th level 3, 5th level 3

Dodo: I1, HP 54/54, [AC 11, FFAC 11, TAC 11, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +4, Refl +2, Will -1]
 Actions: perception
 Effects: -

ROLLS:

23:55, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 12,20 using 4d6+4,4d6+4 with rolls of 2,1,2,3,4,4,2,6.  Quickened Scorching Ray vs Eidolon (damage).
23:54, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 78,17,98 using d100,d100,d100 with rolls of 78,17,98.  Quickened Scorching Ray vs Eidolon (miss chance) .
23:53, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 19,19,20 using d20+11,d20+11,d20+11 with rolls of 8,8,9.  Quickened Scorching Ray vs Eidolon TAC.
23:53, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 16 using 4d6 with rolls of 5,4,5,2.  Empowered Maxmimized Scorching Ray vs Eidolon (damage).
23:52, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 83,25,22 using d100,d100,d100 with rolls of 83,25,22.  Empowered Maxmimized Scorching Ray vs Eidolon (miss chance) .
23:51, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 14,30,22 using d20+11,d20+11,d20+11 with rolls of 3,19,11.  Empowered Maxmimized Scorching Ray vs Eidolon TAC.
23:49, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 14 using 1d20+10 with rolls of 4.  Perception (dodo, free).
23:49, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 16 using 1d20+14 with rolls of 2.  perception (josep, free).

 SUMMARY: Josep listens for the Eidolon and shoots where he thinks the centauric creature is; he strikes true 3 out of 6 times, totaling 36+20+12= 68 fire damage. He then disappears under the earth.

I'm assuming my roll of 16 is enough to pinpoint the eidolon. If that is not the case, the Scorching Rays are fired at the I3 square.

That should read round 2, evidently

PM

PM

 I think Erelace is up, right?
 Kecil, would you mind updating the initiative of you and your minions, since some of you have delayed actions? Thanks.

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 81):

Ah, you're right. How do I do that, though? Just post a round with no actions?

In reply to Kecil (msg # 82):

 You could just post it as an informal post.
 And then update it in your next combat post.

Erelace? We're waiting for you I think.

So, I guess it'd be:
Round 2:
Eidolon initiative: 6

 I was willing to be lenient, but it's been almost five days now...
 I call 48h on Erelace.

 Once confirmed by Ario, you're up Kecil.

48 hour call confirmed.

Kecil is up.  Kecil please roll all of your actions for you and the Eidolon (Eidolon then you, or have the Eidolon delay to be in your same initiative) into one post.  Also, please make sure you are posting publicly what kinds of actions invisible creatures are taking.  Like [private what creature is doing with move action] "(move)", [private what creature is doing with standard action] "(standard)".  Please also post the initiative standing of all your people in your post as well.

Sorry, I realize I've been extending an already long period without posting. I've been figuring out my plan assuming Erelace is absent in my currently limited spare time. I should have the full post up within 24 hours.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:42, Mon 05 Sept 2016.

K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace


ROUND: Round 2/3 (Init: Eidolon 6, Brownie 2, Kecil 24)
POSITION: ???
 ACTIONS: (Standard)
(Move)

 HP: 49/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: ???
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES: -

Cohort: DEAD

Brownie: A2, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: Move to H3 (Move)
 Ready Action (Standard)
 Effects: -

Eidolon: ??? , HP 10/78, [AC 18, FFAC 16, TAC 10, CMD 28, FFCMD 26, FFTAC 8, Fort +8, Refl +6, Will +5]
 Actions: (None)
 Effects:

The battlefield remains silent again, for now.

Josep moves around, unreachable, unseen. One can feel a tremor moving south.


ROUND: 3
POSITION: J1(-4) to J5(-3)
 ACTIONS:  Cast ??? (standard)
  Cast Quickened ??? (swift)
  Burrow 20ft South (move)

 HP: 108/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 22; FFAC: 17; Touch: 15
CMD: 21; FFCMD: 16; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Elemental Body II : Earth (minutes) ; Mirror Image: 1 figments (minutes) ; total cover ;
   GEAR: Ioun Stone, Bracers, Free Gear, Rod
   USES: - SPELLS: 6th level 3, 5th level 4, 2nd level 1,

Dodo: I1, HP 54/54, [AC 11, FFAC 11, TAC 11, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +4, Refl +2, Will -1]
 Actions: none
 Effects: -

ROLLS:

 SUMMARY: Josep remains underground, out of sight.

Erelace is up I reckon.

PM

48+ hours have gone by, so I'd like to request Erelace to be NPC'd by me, if that's ok.
This message was last edited by the player at 10:25, Sat 10 Sept 2016.

In reply to Kecil (msg # 92):
 I'm fine with that.

 I don't mean to be a dick about this guys, but I've literally had time to spend a week in Barcelona since my last post and still nothing...
 I'm calling 48h again.

 Barcelona was great though, I highly recommend visiting if you ever get the chance.

Confirmed.  It is now Kecil's turn.  Erelace takes a second time penalty, and her rewards will be 50% if she comes back.  One more and she's ousted and Kecil gets half of what she would have gotten as a bonus.

Sorry guys I just got back home. I had a death in a the family I had to leave with no warning I just got back home. Can someone please update me and tell me who turn it is.

Based on your post, Josep can choose to waive the second 48 hour call or not.  Once he answers, it is either your turn or Kecil's.

EDIT:  Josep stayed underground and did some invisible things, Kecil stayed invisible and did some invisible things.  That's it so far - you just missed 1 turn of each player's, except possibly 2 of yours.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:05, Thu 15 Sept 2016.

I understand if he does not waive the 48-hr call it will be fine.

Sorry, I didn't get access to any information on Erelace, so I couldn't take her turn. I don't know if that changes the 48 hour call at all, but I couldn't really do anything.

 Go ahead and post Erelace. Sorry for your loss.

Go ahead and excuse me. I still have problems in the real world that are causing me alot of issues. I do apologize and thank you Josep.

Okay, previous time call stands.  Kecil is up.

Can I get the info on Erelace, though? If she'll be absent for some time, I need that to take her over.

I don't mind Kecil taking over for Erelace for future rounds.
In the meantime, can you post for your own turn?

Kecil:
You have already seen her attack bonuses and damage (two claws at +13 and 3d6+8 damage) and have visibility to her public sheet.
You could also have asked for info before the 48 hours was over or given "I'd like her to do something like [x]."  The only other things she can do are.

Okay, I'll have a full post up in <8 hours.

<quote Kecil>



K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace


ROUND: Round 4 (Init: 24)
POSITION: ???
 ACTIONS: (Round)
(Free)
(Free)
 HP: 49/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS:
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES: -

Cohort: DEAD

Brownie: A2, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: Delay turn to set everyone on the same init (to 24 on the next turn)
 (Standard)
 Effects: -

Eidolon: ??? , HP 10/78, [AC 18, FFAC 16, TAC 10, CMD 28, FFCMD 26, FFTAC 8, Fort +8, Refl +6, Will +5]
 Actions:
  (Free)
  (Move)
 (Standard)
 Effects:

The battlefield remains still.

Josep doesn't immediately appear. Rather, a Scorching array announces him.

 From nowhere it seems, or perhaps from a small ripple in the dirt, three rays of pure fire hit the tauric creature, burning it to a four-legged piece of charcoal.

 The earth-like Josep has appeared only for a few seconds, and disappeared again. 

ROUND: 4
POSITION: J5(-3) to J7(-1) (half sunken in the ground)
 ACTIONS:
  Burrow 10ft South and Up, still invisible (move)
  Cast Scorching Ray on Eidolon, breaks invisibility (standard)
  Cast Quickened Vanish, restores invisibility (swift)

 HP: 108/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 22; FFAC: 17; Touch: 15
CMD: 21; FFCMD: 16; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Elemental Body II : Earth (minutes) ; Mirror Image: 1 figments (minutes) ; normal cover ; See Invisibility (minutes) ; Invisibility (0/5)
   GEAR: Ioun Stone, Bracers, Free Gear, Rod
   USES: - SPELLS: 6th level 3, 5th level 5, 2nd level 2,

Dodo: I1, HP 54/54, [AC 11, FFAC 11, TAC 11, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +4, Refl +2, Will -1]
 Actions: none
 Effects: -

ROLLS:
18:23, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 16,14,17 using 4d6+4,4d6+4,4d6+4 with rolls of 3,5,1,3,1,2,1,6,2,6,2,3.  damage.
18:23, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 26,28,16 using d20+11,d20+11,d20+11 with rolls of 15,17,5.  normal Scorching Ray vs Eidolon (vs FFTAC)

 SUMMARY: Josep pops out of the ground, casts fire rays, disappears. Centaur takes 47 fire damage.

Just to clarify: Josep is invisible and sees invisibility when he attacks.

 Erelace is up, then Kecil. Make it two posts, but you don't really need to wait for anything in between the two.
 

Kecil, before going on to your turn (and in fact before Josep's spell resolves), your declared free action and the eidolon's readied action go off if you decide to.

PM

Oops.  Having nothing to do with Josep's PM, because of wording of prepared actions, the brownie may take its action after the spell is cast, and if the eidolon survives the spell it make take its action.  Then its on to team-not-Josep.

Taking the opportunity to coordinate a counter-attack, Kecil yells "He's south of your center, Pupper!" His cohort's familiar fires a pellet of smoke at that direction before the Eidolon, seemingly unscathed by the fire, slashes with a claw. The bullet seems to hit something, but the massive quadruped is unable to strike his target, initially.

Results: Josep must make a DC 13 fort save or be Nauseated. If he does, he cannot cast a spell to turn invisible again. Regardless, team not-Josep is to follow.

21:35, Today: Kecil rolled 19 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 3.  Eidolon Claw.
21:34, Today: Kecil rolled 85 using 1d100 with rolls of 85.  Miss Chance (Bullet, >50 hits).
21:33, Today: Kecil rolled 16 using 1d20+6 with rolls of 10.  Touch Attack (Brownie Smoke Bullet).

 I don't think that smoke pellet hits. Josep's Touch AC is 15, with cover that's 19.
 When you say "unscathed", does that mean the attack missed, there was Spell Resistance, or Energy Resistance?
 ( Ario could you actually confirm that?)

 As a side note, could you update the map with invisible people visible, as Josep sees invisibility now? Thanks.
 (I realise the Eidolon might simply have been out of range)

I forgot to factor in cover, you're right, no hit with the pellet. I'll proceed.

The rays hit, but seem to do no damage. I'll leave it to Ario to say how much more info you get.

K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace
P = Pupper the Eidolon


ROUND: Round 5 (Init: Kecil, Elemental, Brownie 24, Eidolon before Josep)
POSITION: J8
 ACTIONS: Complete casting of Summon Monster IV, summoning an Earth Elemental in H7. (Free)
Move to E10 (Move)
Cast Glitterdust centered on I8/I9/J8/J9
 HP: 49/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Invisibility, ???
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES: -

Cohort: DEAD

Brownie: A2, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: Move to G7 (Move)
 Sling Smoke Bullet (Standard Action)
 Effects: -

Eidolon: ??? , HP 10/78, [AC 18, FFAC 16, TAC 10, CMD 28, FFCMD 26, FFTAC 8, Fort +8, Refl +6, Will +5]
 Actions: Open eyes (Free Action)
 Full Attack (Full-Round Action)
 Effects: Greater Invisibility, Enlarge Person, ???

Earth Elemental: I7, HP 42/42 [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestia...dium-earth-elemental]
 Actions: 5 foot step to I7 (Free Action)
 Slam (Standard Action)
 Effects: Augment Summoning (+4 Str, +4 Con)

Kecil flings glittering powder into the air, swarming around Josep and highlighting his form, allowing his allies to swarm and attack the highlighted form.

Results: If Josep is armed, he gets an AoO as Kecil leaves his threatened area. Unless he's got something that will stop him from casting, from moving, or dealing more than 47 damage, the rest proceeds:

Glitterdust hits, make a Reflex save and a Will save - Reflex halves the -40 stealth penalty as well as the duration from 8 rounds to 4, and Will negates the blindness. Regardless, you are considered to have 20% Concealment.

Elemental misses by less than 5, maybe pops an image? (see below)

Brownie hits regardless, fort save DC 13 or Nauseated for 2 rounds.

Eidolon hits three times regardless, 39 damage and you are Grappled.

Question for ref: If Elemental Slam misses by less than 5, but fails miss chance, does it still pop an image? The rolls work out so it doesn't change anything but the image's presence, but I figured I should clarify.

01:35, Today: Kecil rolled 38 using 1d20+26 with rolls of 12.  Grapple (Claw).
01:35, Today: Kecil rolled 33 using 1d20+26 with rolls of 7.  Grapple (Claw).
01:35, Today: Kecil rolled 41 using 1d20+26 with rolls of 15.  Grapple (Claw).
01:34, Today: Kecil rolled 13 using 1d8+9 with rolls of 4.  Claw Damage.
01:34, Today: Kecil rolled 13 using 1d8+9 with rolls of 4.  Claw Damage.
01:34, Today: Kecil rolled 13 using 1d8+9 with rolls of 4.  Claw Damage.
01:34, Today: Kecil rolled 47 using 1d100 with rolls of 47.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
01:34, Today: Kecil rolled 1 using 1d2 with rolls of 1.  Mirror Chance? (Claw, 1 hits).
01:34, Today: Kecil rolled 26 using 1d20+14 with rolls of 12.  Eidolon Claw.
01:33, Today: Kecil rolled 16 using 1d20+14 with rolls of 2.  Eidolon Claw.
01:33, Today: Kecil rolled 63 using 1d100 with rolls of 63.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
01:33, Today: Kecil rolled 1 using 1d2 with rolls of 1.  Mirror Chance? (Claw, 1 hits).
01:33, Today: Kecil rolled 33 using 1d20+14 with rolls of 19.  Eidolon Claw.
01:32, Today: Kecil rolled 56 using 1d100 with rolls of 56.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
01:32, Today: Kecil rolled 1 using 1d2 with rolls of 1.  Mirror Chance? (Claw, 1 hits).
01:32, Today: Kecil rolled 29 using 1d20+14 with rolls of 15.  Eidolon Claw.
01:31, Today: Kecil rolled 1 using 1d2 with rolls of 1.  Mirror Chance? (Bullet, 1 hits).
01:30, Today: Kecil rolled 51 using 1d100 with rolls of 51.  Miss Chance (Bullet, >20 hits).
01:29, Today: Kecil rolled 23 using 1d20+6 with rolls of 17.  Touch Attack (Brownie Smoke Bullet).
01:29, Today: Kecil rolled 3 using 1d100 with rolls of 3.  Miss Chance (Slam, >20 hits).
01:27, Today: Kecil rolled 23 using 1d20+11 with rolls of 12.  Slam (Elemental).


OoC: That was a lot of stuff, please do tell me if I messed anything up. I did triple-check it, but that's no guarantee with me :P

My understanding is that if you fail due to miss chance, you don't hit the image. Might be wrong on that though.
 I think Miss Chance applies before Mirror Image is factored in, but again to be confirmed.

 Josep Gavinho rolled 29,22,13 using d20+11,d20+6,d20+6 with rolls of 18,16.  reflex, will, fortitude
  -> glitterdust for 4 rounds, no blindness, no nausea (pheew)

 I believe Erelace is up?

As far as I can tell from reading the spells and looking online, the image does not disappear.  If anyone has precedent from the arena on this I'd be happy to go whatever way a GM did, though.

Okay, Erelace's turn. I'm assuming her climb speed is sufficient to move this far - if not, let me know.

K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace
P = Pupper the Eidolon


ROUND: Round 5 (Init: Erelace before Josep, after Eidolon)
POSITION: E6/E7/E8
 ACTIONS: Move to E6/E7/E8 (Move)
 Ready Action (Standard)

 HP:  98/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20; FFAC:  20;  Touch: 8
CMD: 26; FFCMD: 26;  FFTAC: 8
 RESISTANCE: SR 17, +12 vs trip, Uncanny Dodge

EFFECTS: Bloodrage (14/18), Shield (minutes)
   GEAR: Armor, Potion, Free Gear
   USES: - SPELLS: 1st Level 1

Erelace runs along the walls to join the fray.

Josep is in an atrociously difficult position... he fails miserably at his attempt to escape the grapple. 

ROUND: 5
POSITION: J7(-1) (half sunken in the ground)
 ACTIONS:
  Grapple Check - fail (standard)
  Draw dagger (move)

 HP: 69/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 22; FFAC: 17; Touch: 15
CMD: 21; FFCMD: 16; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Elemental Body II : Earth (minutes) ; Mirror Image: 1 figments (minutes) ; normal cover ; See Invisibility (minutes) ; Invisibility (0/5) ; Glitterdust (1/4)
   GEAR: Ioun Stone, Bracers, Free Gear, Rod
   USES: - SPELLS: 6th level 3, 5th level 5, 2nd level 2,

Dodo: I1, HP 54/54, [AC 11, FFAC 11, TAC 11, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +4, Refl +2, Will -1]
 Actions: none
 Effects: -

ROLLS:
Josep Gavinho rolled 11 using 1d20+8 with rolls of 3.  grapple check vs CMD26

 SUMMARY: Josep fails to break the grapple, he pulls out a dagger.

this is going to be a tough one to recover from...
 looks like I never learn ; this would be my third battle lost to a grappler... 

K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace
P = Pupper the Eidolon


ROUND: Round 6 (Init: Kecil, Elemental, Brownie 24, Eidolon before Josep)
POSITION: J8
 ACTIONS: Cast Summon Monster I (1 round)
 HP: 49/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Invisibility, ???
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES: -

Cohort: DEAD

Brownie: A2, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: Sling Smoke Bullet (Standard Action)
 Effects: -

Eidolon: ??? , HP 10/78, [AC 18, FFAC 16, TAC 10, CMD 28, FFCMD 26, FFTAC 8, Fort +8, Refl +6, Will +5]
 Actions: Full Attack (Full-Round Action)
 Effects: Greater Invisibility, Enlarge Person, ???

Earth Elemental: I7, HP 42/42 [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestia...dium-earth-elemental]
 Actions: Slam (Standard Action)
 Effects: Augment Summoning (+4 Str, +4 Con)

The minions continue attacking Josep, bringing him closer and closer to death.


Eidolon crits once, dealing 28 damage, then pops a Mirror.
Another Smoke Bullet hits.

OoC: I just realized, should it be assumed I'm taking control of Erelace for now, or are we still doing 48 hour calls? I didn't last time, but I thought about it and thought I might've jumped the gun on that one.

Missed flanking bonuses last time, added them now.

23:19, Today: Kecil rolled 36 using 1d20+26 with rolls of 10.  Grapple.
23:17, Today: Kecil rolled 25 using 2d8+18 with rolls of 3,4.  Claw Damage (Crit).
23:16, Today: Kecil rolled 2 using 1d2 with rolls of 2.  Mirror Chance (Claw, 1 hits).
23:15, Today: Kecil rolled 85 using 1d100 with rolls of 85.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
23:15, Today: Kecil rolled 31 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 15.  Eidolon Claw.
23:06, Today: Kecil rolled 18 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 2.  Eidolon Claw.
23:06, Today: Kecil rolled 3 using 1d100 with rolls of 3.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
23:05, Today: Kecil rolled 33 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 17.  Eidolon Claw.
23:05, Today: Kecil rolled 27 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 11.  Eidolon Claw (Confirm).
23:05, Today: Kecil rolled 1 using 1d2 with rolls of 1.  Mirror Chance (Claw, 1 hits).
23:05, Today: Kecil rolled 61 using 1d100 with rolls of 61.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
23:04, Today: Kecil rolled 36 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 20.  Eidolon Claw.
23:04, Today: Kecil rolled 18 using 1d20+11 with rolls of 7.  Slam (Elemental).
23:03, Today: Kecil rolled 1 using 1d2 with rolls of 1.  Mirror Chance (Bullet, 1 hits).
23:03, Today: Kecil rolled 36 using 1d100 with rolls of 36.  Miss Chance (Bullet, >20 hits).
23:03, Today: Kecil rolled 19 using 1d20+6 with rolls of 13.  Touch Attack (Brownie Smoke Bullet).

...Wait, I messed up. Kecil's in E10, elemental's in I7 so it doesn't flank. Didn't type in the 5 foot step to move the Elemental to flanking position, I don't get those bonuses. I think that means the crit threat is not confirmed. Not sure the procedure in this case. Should I just not deal damage? Roll normal damage? Something else?

You are free to take Erelace's  turn now unless she says something before you do.  As she's spoken up to let us know what was going on and gave control to Kecil, and as it was due to the decease of a family member, I'm all for just letting Kecil control her character and letting you guys (or Arkrim if you would rather not) rule on what happens with her for delay/bp, rather than just dq'ing her.

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Also, Kecil, you at least partially flubbed your eidolon's turn.  As the initiator it was required to take one of the following actions: 1) as a free action release the grapple at the very beginning of his turn (which he didn't) or 2) maintain it as a standard action.  Instead you rolled 4 claw attacks as a full round action.  Also, with only enlarge person on your eidolon, it doesn't look like he should have a +26 to grapple. (6 bab, 2 size, 9 str, 2 improved grapple, 4 grab = 23)

Also, your brownie appears to not have precise shot, so Josep's cover + being engaged in melee means that your roll does not look high enough to hit him.

...Oh. Hm.

Definitely looks like I miscalculated Eidolon grapple bonuses. I guess I was thinking in 3.5, where Enlarge Person ended up at +5 total? No idea, but eh, ok.

Not sure where to go from here - I can say the Eidolon released as a free action and then full attacked (re-grabbing), as that's the closest to the current actions, or whatever elses is appropriate.

Once that's been ruled, and I do whatever's necessary to carry out anything I have to do as result of the rulings, I'll move to Erelace's turn.

Josep, we need words from you at this point.

Anything you see fit.

I can see how the line of action implies a drop of the grapple in the first place. Let's assume that there was a free action to that end.
I didn't check the maths, but I assume this doesn't change a thing to the end result, right?

Yeah, it's still a grapple of 30+. Looks like that's resolved, so I'll take Erelace's turn...

Okay, Erelace's turn. I'm assuming her climb speed is sufficient to move this far - if not, let me know.

K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace
P = Pupper the Eidolon


ROUND: Round 6 (Init: Erelace before Josep, after Eidolon)
POSITION: E6/E7/E8
 ACTIONS: Full Attack (Full-Round Action)

 HP:  98/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20; FFAC:  20;  Touch: 8
CMD: 26; FFCMD: 26;  FFTAC: 8
 RESISTANCE: SR 17, +12 vs trip, Uncanny Dodge

EFFECTS: Bloodrage (13/18), Shield (minutes)
   GEAR: Armor, Potion, Free Gear
   USES: - SPELLS: 1st Level 1

Erelace claws twice, ripping into Josep.

Josep takes 34 damage.

00:18, Today: Kecil rolled 17 using 3d6+8 with rolls of 1,3,5.  Erelace Claw.
00:18, Today: Kecil rolled 17 using 3d6+8 with rolls of 5,2,2.  Erelace Claw Damage.
00:17, Today: Kecil rolled 44 using 1d100 with rolls of 44.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
00:17, Today: Kecil rolled 27 using 1d20+13 with rolls of 14.  Erelace Claw.
00:17, Today: Kecil rolled 67 using 1d100 with rolls of 67.  Miss Chance (Claw, >20 hits).
00:17, Today: Kecil rolled 28 using 1d20+13 with rolls of 15.  Erelace Claw.

ouch! smells like the end...

Unable to act or defend himself, Josep is torn to pieces and just barely clings on to life.
 He once again tries to shake away the centaurish creature... but this clearly isn't his day.

ROUND: 6
POSITION: J7(-1) (half sunken in the ground)
 ACTIONS:
  Grapple Check - fail (standard)
 HP: 7/108 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 22; FFAC: 17; Touch: 15
CMD: 21; FFCMD: 16; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Elemental Body II : Earth (minutes) ; Mirror Image: 1 figments (minutes) ; normal cover ; See Invisibility (minutes) ; Invisibility (1/5) ; Glitterdust (2/4)
   GEAR: Ioun Stone, Bracers, Free Gear, Rod
   USES: - SPELLS: 6th level 3, 5th level 5, 2nd level 2,

Dodo: I1, HP 54/54, [AC 11, FFAC 11, TAC 11, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +4, Refl +2, Will -1]
 Actions: weeps.
 Effects: -

ROLLS:
Josep Gavinho rolled 11 using 1d20+8 with rolls of 3.  grapple check vs CMD26

 SUMMARY: Josep fails to break the grapple, he waits for the coup de grace.

K = Kecil    J = Josep
D = Dodo the Dodo
B = Brownie  E = Erelace
P = Pupper the Eidolon


ROUND: Round 7 (Init: Kecil, Elemental, Brownie 24, Eidolon before Josep)
POSITION: J8
 ACTIONS: Talk (Free)
 HP: 49/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Invisibility, ???
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES: -

Cohort: DEAD

Brownie: A2, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: Victory Dance (Full-round?)
 Effects: -

Eidolon: ??? , HP 10/78, [AC 18, FFAC 16, TAC 10, CMD 28, FFCMD 26, FFTAC 8, Fort +8, Refl +6, Will +5]
 Actions: Maintain Grapple, dealing Claw Damage (Standard)
 Effects: Greater Invisibility, Enlarge Person, ???

Earth Elemental: I7, HP 42/42 [http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestia...dium-earth-elemental]
 Actions: None
 Effects: Augment Summoning (+4 Str, +4 Con)

Kecil nods, saying "Well, fought." Without further ceremony, his eidolon snaps Josep's neck.

Josep takes 15 damage from the grapple.

I think that's it? (I mean, you still have your familiar and such, but it seems this falls under "there is no way for your foes to recover within this time". If so, good game! I was on the edge of my seat the whole time.

19:08, Today: Kecil rolled 15 using 1d8+9 with rolls of 6.  Grapple Damage (Claw).
19:07, Today: Kecil rolled 26 using 1d20+23 with rolls of 3.  Grapple.

 This is where a maniacal laughter break in the arena, and the dodo utters: "Ha! In fact I was the wizard and you just killed my familiar!" -- but no, this is actually it.

 Good game; I painfully realized how poorly prepared I am against grappling foes, and it does teach me to never underestimate my opponent, even when they have a quarter of my BP!

 Good game indeed! Dodo will surrender without making trouble.

Alrighty.  Declarations, then I can post maths and we can get this closed.

Josep is true neutral, has 1,494 BP and used no hero point.

Kecil is True Neutral, has 389 BP and used no hero points.

As she's not been on for a week, nor posted in almost two and gave us permission to finish the match for her:


Erelaces is TN, has 351 BP and used no hero points.

WINNER(S)
Kecil (389) used 0 hero points
Erelace (351) used 0 hero points

LOSER
Josep  (1494) used 0 hero points


DETAILS
Duration: 8 rounds.
Players: 3 players.

(8 Rounds* 3 Players * 2) + 15 = 63 Total Rewards for Referee.

1494 (loser BP total) * 90 = 134460 / 1 (# of losers) = 134460
1) Kecil's reward: 134460 / 389 = 345 (1/2 this is max reward for referee - 172)
2) Erelace's reward: 134460 / 351 = 383. (50% reduction for delay in game would leave it at 192 if necessary)

740 (winner BP total) * 30 = 22200 / 2 (# of winners) = 11100
1) Josep's reward: 11100 / 1494 = 7. (1/2 this is min reward for referee - 3)

Match outcome and math do not match. Josep is not two people. Kecil & Erelace are not one. Not sure what happened. Please correct post so I can delete this one and close match.

Not to contradict anyone, just trying to clarify if I can, since you said you're not sure what happened. I'm going to go through how I read it, step by step using the formulas under "Finishing a Match", quotes in bold:

LoserTeamTotal #BP * 90 = LoseX / (# of losers) = LoseXPot, so:

LoseX = (total BP of the losing team)*90, and

LoseXPot = (LoseX)/(# of losers)

So, since Josep (1494 BP, 1 player) lost:

LoseX = (1494)*90

LoseXPot = (LoseX)/(1) = 134460

Then, LoseXPot / Winner 1 #BP = Total Rewards for Winner 1, so:

Total Rewards for Winner 1 (Kecil) = 134460/(Kecil's BP) = 134460/389 = 345

Similarly, LoseXPot / Winner 2 #BP = Total Rewards for Winner 2, so:

Total Rewards for Winner 2 (Erelace) = 134460/(Erelace's BP) = 134460/351 = 383, or if reduced by half, 191.



For the other side, WinnerTeamTotal #BP * 30 = WinX / (# of winners), so:

WinX = (total BP of the winning team)*30, and

WinXpot = (WinX)/(# of winners)

Since Erelace (389 BP) and Kecil (351 BP) (2 players) won:

WinX = (389+351)*30 = 22200, and WinXPot = 22200/(2 winners) = 11100.

Then, WinXPot / Loser 1 #BP = Total Rewards for Loser 1, so:

Total Rewards for Loser 1 (Josep) = 11100/(Loser's BP) = 111000/1494 = 7.



Let me know if I got anything wrong, or if I'm stepping out of my bounds saying it, but hopefully that helps clarify.

I see.  There is a typo in the equations - dividing each pot by the number of people on the other team rather than dividing each pot between its own team members.  I assumed this was an adjustment to keep someone from stomping on groups of low level characters to get a fast bp rise, but clearly it's off and would be a swing way too far the other way.  As I learned on the railroad, "You know what happens when you assume things? ...  Trains go off the tracks and people die."

Correcting that, the rewards should be:

WINNER(S)
Kecil (389) used 0 hero points
Erelace (351) used 0 hero points

LOSER
Josep  (1494) used 0 hero points


DETAILS
Duration: 8 rounds.
Players: 3 players.

(8 Rounds* 3 Players * 2) + 15 = 63 Total Rewards for Referee.

1494 (loser BP total) * 90 = 134460 / 2 (# of winners) = 67230
1) Kecil's reward: 67230 / 389 = 173 (1/2 this is max reward for referee - 86)
2) Erelace's reward: 67230 / 351 = 192. (50% reduction for delay in game would leave it at 96 if necessary)

740 (winner BP total) * 30 = 22200 / 1 (# of losers) = 22200
1) Josep's reward: 22200 / 1494 = 15. (1/2 this is min reward for referee - 7)