Kecil you also need to post your actions types taken, regardless of hidden or not, as well as spellcraft dc's for any spells you cast but want to put in a private line rather than announcing publicly.

Also, there is still nothing permitting you to apply a potion to another conscious character without them taking a standard action to drink it.  http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic-items/potions  I mentioned this in your last match but didn't make it public because you were doing it with a potion that couldn't exist, and were willing to just pass on the action, but this is now 2 matches in a row of trying.
Also, Also - since you haven't removed it since last match just putting this out in public as well: You cannot have a potion of mirror image as you cannot make potions of personal range spells.

In reply to Thraxis (msg # 10):


Shoot, you're right, I thought I had copy-pasted the new sheet from my fight with Josep but apparently it's still at what it used to be. That's no excuse for the potion application thing, though. Apologies, a combination of excitement and sleep dep seems to have made me rather scatterbrained.

The brownie's casting Mirror Image as an SLA, rather than a potion, though.

Thanks for doing this, by the way - I found out first-hand it's pretty tiring, even with sheets less convoluted than mine.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:55, Fri 04 Nov 2016.

Kecil, you've been warned before about editing sheets without explicit instruction.  STOP.

Okay, sorry. I thought it was what I was supposed to do after referee review (I basically did what I did with Ario and no problems arose). I guess my question is, is there a specific indicator of what counts as "explicit instruction"?
This message was last edited by the player at 19:28, Fri 04 Nov 2016.

Explicit permission is: "Kecil go ahead and edit your character sheet."

Not is: anything else, especially including asking for an explanation of discrepancies.

For any changes you don't catch yourself, you really need to clear the changes with your opponent (and me).  Even aside from that, when you just go back and edit your sheet I have to go back and re-review it to make sure you didn't change anything in addition to the changes you say you were making to take advantage of whatever situation you find yourself in.  It runs you into potential major foul land, and you do not want to be there.

That said, assuming Cronwier has no problem with you adjusting your eidolon's ac to correctly be 6 higher, halving your cohort's use magic device bonus without penalty, and getting your whole sheet to agree on the eidolon being large rather than mixed large and medium references, we are good to go.  Otherwise you'll need to negotiate with him about any penalties.

I think I figured out what I was confused on - There were listed, penalized values in the previous match, while this time, it was just what was wrong rather than what things should be.

However, just to be perfectly clear, so I don't mess it up in the future: When the ref specifies penalties for a given set of errors, can it be assumed the mentioned, penalized values are the approved penalties to edit into the sheet? If so, that resolves my perceived discrepancy between the two games. If not, I guess I did it wrong the last time and it just wasn't brought up as an issue?

I'm fine with everything being fixed without penalties.
As long as Kecil is fine with my cmb and cmd being 1 point higher, as I miscalculated.

In reply to Cronwier (msg # 16):

Fine by me.

Then you are up, whenever you are ready.

...Don't I still need explicit permission to edit the sheet?

I'll post the combat round later today anyway, if there's no issue.

It's too late for that, your opponent is declining to have anything happen - proceed with game.

K=Kecil
C=Cohort
E=Eidolon
B=Brownie
A=Cronwier


ROUND: Round 1 (Init 18)
POSITION: D4
 ACTIONS: Cast a spell  (Standard)

 HP: 77/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS:
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES:

Cohort: C5, HP 30/30, [AC 9, FFAC 9, TAC 9, CMD 11, FFCMD 11, FFTAC 9, Fort +3, Refl +1, Will +7]
 Actions: Throw sphere from necklace (standard)
 Effects:

Brownie: E3, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: Sling Smoke Bullet (Standard)
 Effects: Mirror Image (3)

Eidolon: ?  [HP 78/78, [AC 17, FFAC 17, TAC 8, CMD 28, FFCMD 27, FFTAC 8, Fort +8, Refl +3, Will +5]
 Actions: (Move)
 (Standard)
 Effects:

Kecil mutters a second spell as his cohort throws a fireball and his brownie slings a smoke bullet. Then, a huge, invisible cleaving force strikes Cronwier, nearly splitting him down the middle.

Results: Take 20 fire damage, reflex DC 14 half.
Take 31 slashing damage.
Make a fortitude save DC 13 or be nauseated.


00:46, Today: Kecil rolled 22 using 1d20+6 with rolls of 16.  Brownie Sling.
00:45, Today: Kecil rolled 20 using 6d6 with rolls of 3,5,6,3,2,1.  Fireball damage.
00:45, Today: Kecil rolled 30 using 4d6+16 with rolls of 5,1,5,3.  Greatsword damage.
00:44, Today: Kecil rolled 31 using 1d20+17 with rolls of 14.  Eidolon greatsword.

And, spellcraft DCs, knew I was forgetting something: First one is DC 18, the second, DC 16.

"Well this isn't going to plan." The words flying out along with a fair bit of blood. Cronwier attempted to attack his invisible attacker, flailing at the air with his chain. It didn't connect.

K=Kecil
C=Cohort
E=Eidolon
B=Brownie
A=Cronwier


ROUND: Round 1 (14)
POSITION: J10
 ACTIONS: Spiritual Combat attacking J8 casting Shield of Darkness before attack (Full)

 HP: 29/80 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 23; FFAC: 19; Touch: 19
CMD: 26; FFCMD: 22; FFTAC: 15

EFFECTS: - Ectoplasmic Lash, Shield of Darkness 7/7
   GEAR: - Headband, Ring, Potion, Free gear
   USES: - 1st Level Spells 5/5, 2nd Level Spells 4/4, 3rd Level Spells 1/2

DICE ROLLS:
19:23, Today: Cronwier rolled 10 using 1d20+8 with rolls of 2.  Attack roll against Eidolon, targeting square J8. Spiritual combat. .
19:11, Today: Cronwier rolled 16 using 1d20+9 with rolls of 7.  Fortitude Save to resist nausea.
19:10, Today: Cronwier rolled 9 using 1d20+7 with rolls of 2.  Reflex Save for half damage.
   SUMMARY: Cronwier strikes at J8 and casts Shield of Darkness.

OOC: Well I'm pretty much done for. That invisible eidolon sure packs a punch. Yes I did just attack a square at random. Missing didn't help.

Flag on the play.

In reply to Thraxis (msg # 24):

Cronweir, need you to weigh in here - you guys can sort stuff out between yourselves, (which trumps any rules or rulings) or I can lay things down, but there seems to be more general satisfaction when the players work it out.

I'm fine with it being treated as either. I think it would be best if we followed what was listed in the action line and adjust the ac accordingly. As for the spell, if it isn't in range then he can't cast it. Other than the bonuses, it wouldn't actually stop him from attacking right? If not I'd like a reroll for the attack and damage with the correct modifiers. That being said I don't think it will change the result of the match much at all.

Edit: With the re rolls only if the modifiers turn out to be wrong, they seem to be, but I'm not quite so sure.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:34, Wed 09 Nov 2016.

Just to be clear, I've got a move action listed as move, and a standard action listed as charge, but it sounds like we're going with charging. The modifiers are too low, which is wrong, so I guess I'm rerolling those, with a Large eidolon. In which case:

6 BAB + 10 str + 2 charge + 1 enhancement - 1 size - 0 Furious Focus Power Attack = +18
Damage is 2d6 > 3d6 (large), +15 (2h str) +6 (power attack) = +21

Results: Hit, 30 slashing damage.

03:44, Today: Kecil rolled 30 using 3d6+21 with rolls of 3,1,5.
03:43, Today: Kecil rolled 30 using 1d20+18 with rolls of 12.  Greatsword Attack.

Okay that makes my hp 30/80.

And you are up for your second turn.

Righto.

K=Kecil
C=Cohort
E=Eidolon
B=Brownie
A=Cronwier

ROUND: Round 2 (Init 18)
POSITION: D4
 ACTIONS: Fire crossbow at Cronwier (Standard)

 HP: 77/77 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 12; FFAC: 10; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS:
   GEAR: Heavy crossbow, bolts, weapon blanch, free gear
   USES:

Cohort: C5, HP 30/30, [AC 9, FFAC 9, TAC 9, CMD 11, FFCMD 11, FFTAC 9, Fort +3, Refl +1, Will +7]
 Actions: Throw necklace bead at I-J/9-10 (Standard)
 Effects: -

Brownie: E3, HP 7/7, [AC 17, FFAC 12, TAC 17, CMD 11, FFCMD 7, FFTAC 10, Fort +1, Refl +6, Will +4]
 Actions: -
 Effects: Mirror Image (3)

Eidolon: ?  [HP 61/78, [AC 18, FFAC 17, TAC 10, CMD 28, FFCMD 27, FFTAC 9, Fort +8, Refl +3, Will +5]
 Actions: Power Attack attack (Standard)
 Effects:

With another mighty blow and a bead of fire, Kecil's minions finish off Cronwier.

Results: 28 slashing damage, 17 fire (reflex DC 14 half). I think that's game?

04:33, Today: Kecil rolled 17 using 4d6 with rolls of 5,3,4,5.  Fireball damage.
04:32, Today: Kecil rolled 17 using 1d20+8 with rolls of 9.  Crossbow attack.
04:31, Today: Kecil rolled 28 using 3d6+21 with rolls of 3,2,2.  Greatsword damage.
04:31, Today: Kecil rolled 21 using 1d20+16 with rolls of 5.  Greatsword Attack.

Oh, not that it changes much: cohort position should be listed at A2, like the map, not C5.

Yes it is. Best case scenario I'm at -6 hp. Note to self don't fight people packing a zoo's worth of minions.

Cronwier is Neutral Evil, 449/454 bp used and no hero points.

Kecil is True Neutral, 395/681 BP, no hero points.

WINNER
Kecil (681 capped at 454 bp) used 0 hero points

LOSER(S)
Cronwier (449 bp) used 0 hero points

DETAILS
Duration: 2 rounds.
Players: 2 players.

(2*2*5) + 50 = 70 Total Rewards for Referee.

449 * 300 = 134,700 / 454 = 297 Total Rewards for Kecil. (max reward for referee)

454 * 100 = 45,400 / 449 = 101 Total Rewards for Cronwier. (min reward for referee)