Dead! GG :)

I'll take that AoO though, in a moment. Who knows what might happen ;)

One good swing hits the cohort as he backs away, but it's futile as Groppo - clad in heavy armor and swinging his weapon - does not react quick enough to follow the cohort and prevent him from casting his magic. The fire rips through his armor and his flesh, and he falls, defeated, on the arena floor.


K = Kecil
H = Heka the Eidolon
C = Cohort
F = Faerie Dragon
E = Cronwier
G = Grace
R = Groppo

Round: 3 (28)
Position: C4
Actions:

HP: -22/98
 AC: 23; FFAC: 19; Touch: 13
CMD: 19; FFCMD: 17; FFTAC: 9

EFFECTS: Lunge, Power Attack, See Invisibility
   GEAR: Gnome Hooked Hammer, Gnome Hooked Hammer, Full Plate, Composite Longbow, Arrows (40), Belt, Cloak, Used potion, 3x potion, Free Gear
   USES: Spell-like abilities 1/1, 7/7

Rolls:
10:56, Today: Groppo rolled 13 using 1d6+11 with rolls of 2.  Damage AoO.
10:55, Today: Groppo rolled 29 using 1d20+11 with rolls of 18.  AoO main hand cohort.

Groppo has 430 BP, no hero points used.

(With Kecil unconscious, does this end with a draw?)

Cronwier used 647/655 BP is Neutral Evil and used no hero points or consumables.

Grace has 300 BP, used a Potion of Shield of Faith +4 and no Hero Points.

Just in case it would end in a draw:


K = Kecil
H = Heka the Eidolon
C = Cohort
F = Faerie Dragon
E = Cronwier
G = Grace
R = Groppo

Round: 4 (28)
Position: D2
Actions:

HP: 7
AC: 11; FFAC: 10; Touch: 11
CMD: 18; FFCMD: 18; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Haste
   GEAR: Headband, Tanglefoot Bag x2, Ioun Stone, Free Gear, Metamagic Rod
   USES: Spells 7/7, 6/6, 4/6, 1/3

Heka: Position: D6-F8, HP 117/117, [AC 19, FFAC 16, TAC 9, CMD 33, FFCMD 31, FFTAC 8, Fort +9, Refl +8, Will +3]
 Actions: -
 Gear: 10 Wakizashi, 5 Scabbard
 Effects: Haste, Greater Invisibility, Enlarge Person

Cohort: Position: E1, HP 63, [AC 11, FFAC 10, TAC 11, CMD 14, FFCMD 14, FFTAC 10, Fort +3, Ref +1, Will +7]
 Actions: Move to E1 (Move)
 Cast Cure Light Wounds (Standard)
 Gear: Ioun Stone
 Scroll
 Scroll
 Gunpowder x2
 Headband
 Scroll
 Scroll x2
 Effects: Haste

Faerie Dragon: Position D4, HP 22, [AC 24, FFAC 19, TAC 17, CMD 14, FFCMD 11, FFTAC 12, Fort +4, Ref +6, Will +5]
 Actions: -
 Gear: Scroll
 Scroll
 Scroll
 Effects: Haste


10:15, Today: Kecil rolled 9 using 1d8+5 with rolls of 4.  Cure Light Wounds.

Kecil is TN, 1000/1315 BP, and used no hero points.

WINNER
Kecil (1000) used 0 hero points


LOSER
Groppo 430 BP, no hero points used
Cronwier 655 BP, used no hero points
Grace  300 BP, used no Hero Points.


DETAILS
Duration: 4 rounds.
Players: 4 players.

(4*4*5) + 50 = 130 Total Rewards for Referee.


1385 * 300 = 415500 / 4 = 103875
1) 103875 / 1000 = 103 Total Rewards for Winner 1. (1/2 this is max reward for referee)


1000 * 100 = 100000 / 1 = 100000
1) 100000 / 430 = 232 Total Rewards for Loser 1. (1/2 this is min reward for referee)
2) 100000 / 655 = 152 Total Rewards for Loser 2. (1/2 this is min reward for referee)
3) 100000 / 300 = 333 Total Rewards for Loser 3. (1/2 this is min reward for referee)

Kecil recieves     103 BP
Groppo recieves    232 BP
Cronwier recieves  152 BP
Grace recieves     333 BP
Grunyar recieves    51 BP

Please feel free to double check my math, if you see an error post otherwise let this be the last post so GM can easily see it

WINNER
Kecil (1000) used 0 hero points


LOSER
Groppo 430 BP, no hero points used
Cronwier 655 BP, used no hero points
Grace  300 BP, used no Hero Points.


DETAILS
Duration: 4 rounds.
Players: 4 players.

(4*4*5) + 50 = 130 Total Rewards for Referee.


1385 * 300 = 415500 / 3 = 1387500
1) 1387500 / 1000 = 138 Total Rewards for Winner 1. (1/2 this is max reward for referee)


1000 * 100 = 100000 / 1 = 100000
1) 100000 / 430 = 232 Total Rewards for Loser 1. (1/2 this is min reward for referee)
2) 100000 / 655 = 152 Total Rewards for Loser 2. (1/2 this is min reward for referee)
3) 100000 / 300 = 333 Total Rewards for Loser 3. (1/2 this is min reward for referee)

Kecil recieves     138 BP
Groppo recieves    232 BP
Cronwier recieves  152 BP
Grace recieves     333 BP
Grunyar recieves    69 BP

Thank You GM

LoserTeamTotal #BP * 300 = LoseX / (# of losers) = LoseXPot
1) LoseXPot / Winner 1 #BP = Total Rewards for Winner 1.
2) LoseXPot / Winner 2 #BP = Total Rewards for Winner 2.

WinnerTeamTotal #BP * 100 = WinX / (# of winners) = WinXPot
1) WinXPot / Loser 1 #BP = Total Rewards for Loser 1.
2) WinXPot / Loser 2 #BP = Total Rewards for Loser 2.

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1385 BP * 300 = 41550 / (3) = 138500
1) 138500 / 138 = Total Rewards for Kecil.
2) 138500 / 138 = Total Rewards for Kecil.
3) 138500 / 138 = Total Rewards for Kecil.
(138 + 138 + 138 = +414 BP for Kecil)

1000 * 100 = 100000 / (1) = 100000
1) 100000 / 655 = 152 for Cronwier.
2) 100000 / 430 = 232 for Groppo.
3) 100000 / 300 = 333 for Grace.

Ref earned reward: (4*4*10) = 160
Minimum ref reward: 414
Maximum ref reward: 717

Can everyone in this match, including ref, please confirm that they understand my calculations and now know how to do this? I don't want to have to double check everybody's math all the time. If this is in any way unclear, please speak up. I can walk you through it. Otherwise, please confirm that you understand what to do in the future so I can close this thread and fix your sheets.
This message was last edited by the GM at 02:41, Wed 01 Feb 2017.

I understand how you have done it and will do it like that in future. The confusion comes from Kecil receiving 3 equal rewards due to facing 3 opponents, as that isn't clear in the formula. I now understand how it is to be applied for Juggernaut matches, but it doesn't actually read that way. Grunyar's result is correct if you merely follow the equation as written in the first half of the post.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:35, Wed 01 Feb 2017.

I understand!

In reply to Cronwier (msg # 59):

You have to hand out each of the other team's rewards though.

You see the "1)" "2)" and "3)" denoting the number of participants on one side? You divvy that up to the other side accordingly.

If you only hand out one reward from 3 gladiators, you're intentionally omitting 2 of them.

It would get more complex if it were 3v2 or more but no matches like that exist. It's always 1v1, 2v2, 2v1, or 3v1.

Arkrim, I understand, I'm just saying as an accounting/maths student I understand why there was confusion when reading the formula.

Thank you for clarifying how the formula works, sorry for miss interpreting it.  I like the change to the ref reward thank you again.

I understand, I recieve 414 bp

In reply to Cronwier (msg # 63):

If you're in accounting do you have any particular method you'd prefer to see the formula that might help the formula be more obvious?

I'm looking for suggestions here as well while we're at this.

Unfortunately my only suggestion for making it more clear is to write a separate example out like that for juggernaut matches or a separate formula for them. Unfortunately, I'm not much for theory, but everyone can follow a worked example easy enough, plus it would mean that you don't need to change the formula or have a separate one for juggernauts.

Edit: If you were looking at changes to the formula, then dividing by the number of losers followed by multiplying the end result by that same number is effectively redundant.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:36, Wed 01 Feb 2017.

Okay, I can put this up as an example in the thread.

I don't know what you mean by multiplying a divided number. At no point are you supposed to do that. You are supposed to distribute the rewards to each player and it just so happens that one player has filled the slot of 3 if that's what you're referring to. But that's distribution, not multiplication. But as far as I know there's no mathematical symbol for "distribute this based on number of slots/participants".

Hopefully the example will help, though.

Grace and Kecil? You guys have any comments, suggestions, or questions?

Multiplication is the same as counting groups of things, but no all I meant was finding the average of from three opponents and then counting that average three times is redundant as the result of getting the combined total should be the same. In this case:


1385 * 300 = 415500 / 3 = 1387500
1) 1387500 / 1000 = 138 Total Rewards for Kecil.
2) 1387500 / 1000 = 138 Total Rewards for Kecil.
3) 1387500 / 1000 = 138 Total Rewards for Kecil.

Kecil receives 414.


Is exactly the same as:

1385*300= 415500
1) 415500/1000 = 415.5 Total Rewards for Kecil.

Kecil receives 416.

The only difference is that in the first one we are lazy about decimals. 3x 138.75 = 416.


But it doesn't really matter it is fine as is, if it is made clear through an example that the juggernaut fills up the relevant slots.

You're not multiplying though. You're distributing.

Each instance of "Kecil" is 1 of 3. There are three slots on each side. You're distributing each portion to one section. Just as each of the three other players gets one share per gladiator slot. It just so happens that one person played all 3 roles and takes the pot.

Maybe this is getting too far into gambling terminology but that's typically the idea.

I think one issue is the sequential equal signs (i.e. "1385*300" does not equal "415500/3", but rather, it equals 415500, which is in turn one-third of the total reward). Perhaps instead, write it out as separate equations? Something like:

LoserTeamTotal #BP * 300 = LoseX
LoseX * # of losers = LoseXPot
LoseXPot / Winner BP = Winner Reward 1
LoseXPot / Winner BP = Winner Reward 2
LoseXPot / Winner BP = Winner Reward 3

Winner Reward 1 + Winner Reward 2 + Winner Reward 3 = Winner Reward Total

For example:

1385 BP * 300 = 41550
41550 * 3 = 138500

138500 / 1000 = 138

138 + 138 + 138 = 414

The other issue may be the use of "/", which I, and I believe others, understand to be the division symbol (e.g. 300/3 = 100).

I do understand the math, and have no issues with the calculated values. The above is simply how I understand the notation.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:43, Thu 02 Feb 2017.

I actually already updated the thread with very clear examples for all variations of the calculation. I hope its as foolproof as I could possibly make it.

Here's a link: link to a message in this game

Any further discussion, please continue in the OOC discussion thread.

I just need Grace to confirm here that she understands and we're good to go and I can wrap this up.

Yes, I'm fine with that - I still more than doubled my starting BP so I'm good. ^_^