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11:21, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 11 using 1d20+10 with rolls of 1.  monster hunt 19 init.

Man! I thought we said we'd go first this time?

Josep Gavinho rolled 32 using 1d20+17 with rolls of 15.  Monster Hunt 19 Initiative

Here we go

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 3):

Pm

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 6):

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 4):
This message was last edited by the player at 05:16, Mon 02 Apr 2018.

In reply:

Pm

S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny



ROUND:   (Initiative: 27) Number before each monster indicates the order in which they acted.

1. Johnny
 POSITION: C7:F10
 ACTIONS:


 HP: 414/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)

2. Jenny
 POSITION: G7:J4
 ACTIONS:


 HP: 414/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)
   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


3. Joey
 POSITION: H8:J10
 ACTIONS:


 HP: 437/437 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 38; FFAC: 34; Touch: 12
CMD: 48; FFCMD: 45; FFTAC: 08

EFFECTS: DR15/???, Spell Resistance 31

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


DICE ROLLS:

15:45, Today: Lyn rolled 27 using 1d20+8 with rolls of 19.  MH19 Init.


   SUMMARY:


OOC:




15:45, Today: Lyn rolled 27 using 1d20+8 with rolls of 19.  MH19 Init.

Could you please pick lire confusing names?
I’m not quite confused enough ;)

Also if you could let us know what knowledge to roll to identify Jessy, Josh and Janet, that’d be neat.

02:52, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 35,35,25 using d20+22,d20+22,d20+22 with rolls of 13,13,3.  Know planes(CR25), religion(CR25), dungeoneering(CR15) monster 3.

02:52, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 33,30,28 using d20+22,d20+22,d20+22 with rolls of 11,8,6.  Know planes(CR23), religion(CR20), dungeoneering(CR18) monster 2.

02:52, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 35,37,33 using d20+22,d20+22,d20+22 with rolls of 13,15,11.  Know planes(CR25), religion(CR27), dungeoneering(CR23) monster 1.

Are either of these relevant to those creatures?

ROUND: - (11)
POSITION: J10
 ACTIONS:

 HP: 289/289 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 29; FFAC: 22; Touch: 21
CMD: 38; FFCMD: 32; FFTAC: 14
Fort: 27; Reflex: 26; Will: 26
Perception: 27; Spellcraft: 29

EFFECTS: -
   GEAR: - backpack, cloak, spell component pouch,  belt pouch, dagger, sling, Amulet, Belt, boots, shirt, ring, ring, headband, stone, scroll x2, scroll x1, scroll x1, diamond x4 (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  SLA 10/10; Spells 1st 7/7, 2nd 7/7, 3rd 7/7, 4th 6/6, 5th 4/4, 6th 2/2
            scroll 2/2; scroll 1/1; scroll 1/1; diamond 4/4




Minion HD: 0/68


DICE ROLLS:

OOC: At least the spell out JOE.

All three are DC35 knowledge Arcana for any information

J is a fantastic letter. For this match at least.

Feel free to roll if you have the requisite knowledge, but waiting on Boad/GM to rule if I have to advise what type of Aura is affecting you before you take your turn Josep.

Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 49,36,50 using D20+34,d20+34,d20+34 with rolls of 15,2,16.  Identify J, E, O .

Tell me more, tell me more!

If I go by what I know of Latro’s auras, none apply in prep rounds.

This arena is going to get very crowded really quickly.

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 17):

There aren't any prep rounds.

Hmm...

Nope, I'll let Boad tell you what you know.

Jayce is right though, there's no prep rounds at all.

I did realise I forgot to include saves, so:

Joey: Fort 35, Ref 29, Will 33
Jenny: Fort 32, Ref 31, Will 22
Johnny: Fort 32, Ref 31, Will 22

I change my Alignment to NE, YOU AUTOFAIL since you forgot! Rules lawyer galore! MUahahahaaha.

Nah, I'm jk. I'm still Good.

I mean...

You two are the bright sparks who thought a Suicidal Monster Hunt would be a good idea. If you feel the need to rules lawyer, I'm not stopping you.

Let's just say though, I'm not expecting those saves to come into play.

In reply to Lyn (msg # 21):

I still think I can win and already devised a plan. It is not full proof though.
 None of my plans are. I mean I just rolled a nat 1 on init lol.

Edit Note: We can win! This is a team sport this time.
This message was last edited by the player at 10:13, Mon 02 Apr 2018.

I need a perception check from Josep

 Josep Gavinho rolled 2 using 1d20 with rolls of 2.  Round 1 Presciene .
 Josep Gavinho rolled 31 using 1d20+18 with rolls of 13.  Dodo perception .
 Josep Gavinho rolled 32 using 1d20+25 with rolls of 7.  Josep perception .

Do let me know if/when I’m good to go.

Info requested:

Considering Arena Immunities, do I get a save against the aura ?

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 26):

You are not able to benefit from arena immunities

 Josep immediately recognized some of the monsters they were facing, or at least some of their features... and he gasped.
 This was not what he had signed up for! And Jayce had managed to convince him that a suicidal challenge could be a piece of cake...

 He move briskly to his guild mate, and cast two spells in quick succession to provide some resilient though temporary shelter.
  "I trust you have the right summon for that?" he asked the summoner.

 Dodo remained outside.


ROUND: 1 (32)
POSITION: J1 to D1
 ACTIONS:
 - Move to D1, draw scroll as part of move (move)
 - Cast Spell 1 Wall of Force Defensively (standard)
 - Cast Spell 2 Wall of Force (free HERO point)
 - Cast Quickened 7th level Spell (swift)
 - Activate Boots (free)


 HP: 192/192 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 17; FFAC: 11; Touch: 17
CMD: 39; FFCMD: 34; FFTAC: 11
Fort: 27; Reflex: 27; Will: 30

EFFECTS: - Spell 1 Wall of Force 1/17; Spell 2 Wall of Force 1/17; Spell 3 1/16; Haste 1/10

   GEAR: - Ring, Rod, Boots, Cloak, Headband, Bel, Hat, Diamond x3, Ioun Stone, Talisman x3, Scroll x2, Spellbook, Backpack, belt pouch, dagger, sling, component pouch (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  Spells 1st 0/X, 2nd 0/X, 3rd 0/X, 4th 0/X, 5th 2/X, 6th 0/X, 7th 1/X, scroll 0/2; diamond 1/3, Prescience 1/13; 1 HP

MINIONS:
Do the Dodo (familiar)
 HP: 192/192 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20; FFAC: 18; Touch: 12
CMD: 30; FFCMD: 28; FFTAC: 11
Fort: 18; Reflex: 18; Will: 23

DICE ROLLS:
18:11, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 2 using 1d20 with rolls of 2.  Round 1 Presciene
18:09, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 31 using 1d20+18 with rolls of 13.  Dodo perception
18:09, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 32 using 1d20+25 with rolls of 7.  Josep perception
09:56, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 49,36,50 using D20+34,d20+34,d20+34 with rolls of 15,2,16.  Identify J, E, O
23:58, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 32 using 1d20+27 with rolls of 5.  cast WoF defensively DC25.

SUMMARY:
Josep moves towards Jayce, casts two Walls of Force to shut them from their enemies, then casts a swift spell. Dodo stays out of it.

ooc: this is going to be more difficult than I thought... why didn't you pick a good old dragon?!

 Note my stat block reflects my full gear as I assume I am out of the aura effect at the end of my turn.

Information
This message was last edited by the GM at 06:08, Tue 03 Apr 2018.

Pm

Question:
Can I move into a square that has wall of force as it is a flat vertical plane? I imagine it takes 2-3 inches of space.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:38, Tue 03 Apr 2018.

If need be I can define more precisely where the wall stands.
I always imagined it was razor thin. Like infinitely strong cling film.

That would be Wall of Force 1 from top right hand corner of F1 to bottom right hand corner of F6.
Wall of Force 2 from bottom left hand corner of A6 to bottom right hand corner of F6.
Cold Welded from ground to ceiling with a bead of Force mastic ;)
This message was last edited by the player at 09:10, Tue 03 Apr 2018.

As Josep starts to move towards the summoner, Jenny reached out and bit him, her tightly clamped jaw preventing the wizard from going anywhere.


22:10, Today: Lyn rolled 16 using 2d8+13 with rolls of 2,1.  AoO damage.

22:09, Today: Lyn rolled 45,63 using 1d20+32,1d20+44 with rolls of 13,19.  Jenny Bite AoO with Grab.

AoO from movement: Jenny bites and grabs Josep in J10 as he tries to move. Josep is grappled with CMD 57 to escape

*facepalm*

I completely forgot that moving provokes aoo. Duh.
Stupid wizard.

Bo, are we 100% sure that I don’t get a save against the creature’s aura?

If that is the case, my turn is done, I’ll post my new stat block without gear and with grappled condition.

It's CR is 4 or more higher than yours so arena immunities do not kick in

Beyond arena immunities though, doesn’t that apply?

https://sites.google.com/site/...a/core-errata/spells

Looking into it

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 38):


Updated:

Auras & Ongoing Area Effects
Auras and ongoing area effects that create direct harmful effects on creatures or objects are treated as having a duration of 1 round and affect a creature each round they are in the aura or move through it (willingly or not). They allow saving throws, CMB checks, or possibly even certain skill checks to resist every round. Anti-paladin auras, for example, affect a creature immediately upon them entering it (willingly or not) and allow a Will save DC10 + 1/2 antipaladin's level + antipaladin's Charisma modifier to negate the effect each round. A fail means they are affected for 1 round. Auras and ongoing area effects that merely change the environment and don't already give a save or direct harmful effect do not gain a save (examples: Alarm, Antimagic Field, Consecrate, Desecrate, Light). This rule falls under arena immunities, so effects that normally do not allow saves function normally against creatures that are 4 or more CR below the creator of the effect.
This message was last edited by the GM at 01:55, Wed 04 Apr 2018.

Thank you for the clarification GM

So here is where we are at, Josep is in D1 just drew a scroll

Could we get a definition for, "direct harmful," effects? Because Antipaladin Aura

Isn't directly harmful in and of itself. But requires a save per house rules.

Antimagic Field shuts down all magical gear and spells only around the creature with the spell or spell like ability active. Which makes all people who have them significantly weaker and seems to fall in line with Antipaladin auras. It also seems to be in direct opposition to, "No automatic hits." As it shuts down creatures Supernatural abilities and their magical gear it definitely feels harmful, no different than an antipaladin aura.

Greater Dispel has an Area effect



Would you be willing to make an Antimagic Field similar to above with a bonus on the check? Equal to your modifier maybe?
This message was last edited by the player at 05:03, Wed 04 Apr 2018.

In reply to Jayce the Tamer (msg # 41):

No additional clarification is necessary as it is already included in the descriptive text that I gave you.

So no aoo, and since Wall of Force works in the antimagic field, Josep’s turn is unchanged.
Did I miss something?

Antimagic field is a weird example of something not harmful.
It’s more harmful than any other auras out there (frightful presence for example)
But fair enough, no save...

Oh woops, I missed that.  I do have to ask though, why not AoO?

Phone died in the middle of writing a post, but maybe it was a good thing lol. Just ignore the dice rolls in the roller currently until I confirm if Josep is in D1, or in J1 and grappled.

Key things of note. All supernatural abilities cease to function in an Antimagic field. So your supernatural eye ray attacks and breath weapons don't work. As such, your monster just learned the hard way that they can't do that with their friends around. ;)

Also, did you write your AoO capabilities in a PL to Ref? Otherwise AoOs are forgone for the round.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:28, Wed 04 Apr 2018.

Yeah, I realised that after I rolled it, but hey. Joey is still a young Jabberwocky, he's learning.  Still counts as an attack to trigger his frightful presence though :)

As for the AoO, I'll wait for Boad to clarify Josep's status, and if he is in D1, if those rolls/actions will need to remain the same.

We are getting close to 48 hours though, so while waiting on Boad, I'd like to request a PAUSE as waiting on ref clarification

In reply to Lyn (msg # 46):

I'm not bothered by it. We are discovering new things in this match. This is probably the highest echelon to date.

No AoO, , still talking with Josep I will let you know when monsters can go

 pm

I just realised, the Championship Belt is an artefact, thus immune to measly Antimagic Field by puny Alice in Wonderland monsters... I should have brought it instead of leaving it on the mantelpiece at the Guild House...
This message was last edited by the player at 09:55, Wed 04 Apr 2018.

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 50):

*points and laughs at the champion* not to mention the swift action free hero point that last 20 rounds until used. Tsk tsk
This message was last edited by the player at 09:58, Wed 04 Apr 2018.

Pm to boadicea (sorry for the information drip)

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 52):

I’m sorry, but I need to ask again.

Arkrim, please hear me out before you shut me down.

I understand from your ruling that Antimagic Field doesn’t allow a save.

As an automatic effect that creates a negative condition (unable to casts spell, suppressed magic items and ongoing spells) shouldn’t it be banned? Or adapted the same way Waves of Fatigue and Magic Missile was?

Antimagic field will make Josep lose 80hp. Which is fine, it’s a clever move. But that I don’t get a save against an automatic effect seems to go against every rule you’ve set up in the arena.

Before you answer, appreciate that this will go beyond a suicide monster hunt and become a ruling on anti magic field.

Please charge me whatever BP you deem appropriate for that request.

That's 1 foul for Josep for arguing. First one is just a warning.

I've already fixed this once...three times total actually, I'm not to be bothered on it again for this match.

---

No, Josep, you don't get charged BP for putting requests in a match, you get a 3 strikes and you're disqualified for arguing if you do so during a match after a ruling.

If you want to pay BP to make rule request changes, you do so in the Inquiries and Proposals thread. But I'm not going to fix things for you mid-battle. You're going to have to wait until your match is over.

Cool cool cool. I can’t say I didn’t expect that.
Do have a think about it in a couple weeks though ;)

I’ll have my new post up in a few hours.

I've edited some of my actions in light of new information. I hope that is ok.

 Josep immediately recognized some of the monsters they were facing, or at least some of their features... and he gasped.
 This was not what he had signed up for! And Jayce had managed to convince him that a suicidal challenge could be a piece of cake...

 He moves briskly to his guild mate, and cast two spells in quick succession to provide some resilient though temporary shelter.
  "I trust you have the right summon for that?" he asked the summoner.

 Dodo followed.


S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny

.

^areas enclosed by Walls of Force

ROUND: 1 (32)
POSITION: J1 to D1
 ACTIONS:
 - Move to D1, draw scroll as part of move (move)
 - Cast Spell 1 Wall of Force Defensively (standard)
 - Cast Spell 2 Wall of Force (free HERO point)


 HP: 112/112 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 10; FFAC: 10; Touch: 10
CMD: 26; FFCMD: 26; FFTAC: 10
Fort: 17; Reflex: 17; Will: 23

EFFECTS: - Spell 1 Wall of Force 1/17; Spell 2 Wall of Force 1/17

   GEAR: - Ring, Rod, Boots, Cloak, Headband, Belt, Hat, Diamond x3, Ioun Stone, Talisman x3, Scroll x2, Spellbook, Backpack, belt pouch, dagger, sling, component pouch (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  Spells 1st 0/X, 2nd 0/X, 3rd 0/X, 4th 0/X, 5th 2/X, 6th 0/X, 7th 1/X, scroll 0/2; diamond 1/3, Prescience 1/13; 1 HP

MINIONS:
Do the Dodo (familiar)
 HP: 56/56 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20; FFAC: 18; Touch: 12
CMD: 30; FFCMD: 28; FFTAC: 11
Fort: 18; Reflex: 18; Will: 23
ACTIONS: Move right behind Josep

DICE ROLLS:
18:11, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 2 using 1d20 with rolls of 2.  Round 1 Prescience
18:09, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 31 using 1d20+18 with rolls of 13.  Dodo perception
18:09, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 32 using 1d20+25 with rolls of 7.  Josep perception
09:56, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 49,36,50 using D20+34,d20+34,d20+34 with rolls of 15,2,16.  Identify J, E, O
23:58, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 32 using 1d20+27 with rolls of 5.  cast WoF defensively DC25.
Cast WoF defensively DC25: use prescience roll (2+24 = 26)

SUMMARY:
Josep moves towards Jayce, casts two Walls of Force to shut them from their enemies. Dodo follows.

ooc: Updated Position of Dodo and Walls, as well as Stat Block. Gods I feel naked... 

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 57):

Yes you can be in same square as force wall provided it is on the outline of the square not in the middle of it.

As for the beasts knowing where the wall is Jonny and Jenny are touching it so they know, if you had put it at least 5' (1 cube) away then I would agree none know of it's existence.

Lyn, baring something you all see I missed you should be good to go
This message was last edited by the player at 22:22, Wed 04 Apr 2018.

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 58):

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S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny



ROUND:   (Initiative: 27) Number before each monster indicates the order in which they acted.

1. Johnny
 POSITION: C7:F10
 ACTIONS: Readied Action


 HP: 414/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)

2. Jenny
 POSITION: G7:J4
 ACTIONS: Readied Action


 HP: 414/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)
   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


3. Joey
 POSITION: G1:I3
 ACTIONS: Move to G1:I3, Bite Wall of Force (Standard), Frightful Presence(Free)


 HP: 437/437 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 38; FFAC: 34; Touch: 12
CMD: 48; FFCMD: 45; FFTAC: 08

EFFECTS: DR15/???, Spell Resistance 31

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


DICE ROLLS:

18:25, Today: Lyn rolled 28 using 1d20+21 with rolls of 7.  Joey frightful presence.

18:24, Today: Lyn rolled 30 using 4d8+11 with rolls of 2,7,4,6.  Joey bite wall of force.


   SUMMARY: The monsters bide their time and wait.

Joey bites the wall for 0 damage, and scares Josep and Jayce with a Will Attack of 28, both are Frightened for 23 rounds, while Do is panicked.



OOC: On mobile, sorry for no map.
Stupid wall and not getting to grapple

PM to ref

PM
This message was last edited by the player at 09:34, Thu 05 Apr 2018.

Pm

In reply to Jayce the Tamer (msg # 63):

S = Jayce (summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
A = Angel 1


\ = wall of force directly down the middle

Jayce moves towards his ally and draws a scroll. Wonder Twins Powers Combined. Jayce drops to the floor and casts two spells. Jayce then heroically reads from the scroll and casts another spell. Jayce lives faster than others for a short duration. Jayce summons an angel made of light. Jayce grabs another scroll and casts a spell quickly. Jayce speaks to his angel out of turn.


"Aranya, place wall of force between those two creatures there. We need to prevent them from moving around."


ROUND: 1 (11)
POSITION: A1 to C1
 ACTIONS: Move(move), grab Scroll as Part of move(free), drop prone(free), Cast spell Quickly(swift), Cast Spell(standard), Use temporary Hero Point for extra action(free), Cast Spell from Scroll(Standard)

POSITION: C1
 ACTIONS: Standard Summon Monster 9(standard), draw scroll(move), Cast Spell Quickly(swift), Speak in Celestial to creature out of turn per rules(free)




 HP: 289/289 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 35(39 vs ranged); FFAC: 22; Touch: 21(25 vs ranged)
CMD: 38; FFCMD: 32; FFTAC: 14
Fort: 27; Reflex: 26; Will: 29
Perception: 27; Spellcraft: 29

EFFECTS: - 1st Spell  1/68; 2nd Spell  1/34; Summon Monster 9 1/34; 3rd spell
   GEAR: - backpack, cloak, spell component pouch,  belt pouch, dagger, sling, Amulet, Belt, boots, shirt, ring, ring, headband, stone, scroll x2, scroll x1, scroll x1, diamond x4 (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  SLA 9/10; Spells 1st 5/7, 2nd 7/7, 3rd 7/7, 4th 6/6, 5th 3/4, 6th 2/2
            scroll 1/2; scroll 1/1; scroll 1/1; diamond 2/4


https://www.d20pfsrd.com/besti...tsiders/azata/ghaele]


Angel 1: Position: C3, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 33, FFCMD 31, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 27]
 Actions:  - Cast Wall of Force(standard)
 Uses: - 1/? Wall of Force
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard;
                G8 Hardness 30 HP 260/260, H9 Hardness 30 HP 260/260, I10 Hardness 30 HP 260/260(all squares to ceiling)

DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Minion HD: 13/68


DICE ROLLS:


07:24, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 2 using 1d4+1 with rolls of 1. time stop

07:21, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 42 using 1d20+33 with rolls of 9.  UMD with a d20 die..... dc 37.

07:13, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 40 using 1d20+26 with rolls of 14.  Concentration just in case.

Summary : Jayce moves to his ally. Jayce grabs a scroll as part of his move. Jayce plops down on the ground extremely fast. He casts a spell quickly, then casts a spell. Jayce through heroic ability casts from his scroll. Time stop lasts 2 rounds. Jayce summons an angel made of light. It is incorporeal. Jayce tells it to put up a wall of force between the two largest creatures. Neither of the creatures can move now.
OOC:
https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamem...ng/combat/#TOC-Speak
Speak
In general, speaking is a free action that you can perform even when it isn’t your turn. Speaking more than a few sentences is generally beyond the limit of a free action.

15 + spell level + 1/2 damage concentration check rolled. Imagined the only thing they could ready is to shoot me while I cast.

Ignore those x. There is nothing there.

\ goes to ceiling. 13th caster level.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:22, Thu 05 Apr 2018.

In reply to Jayce the Tamer (msg # 67):

as Jayce summons his creature nothing happens

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/besti...rightful-Presence-Ex-




I have 17 HD. I'm pretty sure I would only be shaken. Now, I forgot to post my correct Will Save, so I'll go ahead and be shaken. But in no way am I frightened.

Also, Does that frightful presence even work? can the 'presence' pass through the barrier? I know a Gaze attack works but does the frightful presence?

You also did not roll a duration. You just used a duration. must roll 5d6.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:25, Thu 05 Apr 2018.

I’m shaken as well. Not of fear, mind you, it’s actually old age catching up with me.
I think Do would be shaken too, unless you see a reason why he should be panicked.

I’ll have my post up in a few hours.

Jayce also your spell #3 fails due to an improper target

Updated Map



S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
This message was last edited by the player at 18:25, Thu 05 Apr 2018.

 Boa, I imagine you are referring to C3 as an invalid target to summon a creature into, but the Antimagic Field merely suppresses the effect of the spell, it does not prevent casting, nor does it dispel or counter the spell.

 As such a creature could be summoned in the zone, but would "wink out" as per the spell description until it exits the antimagic field (or the field moves away).

 I'll get my post in later tonight.

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 73):

a summons can be summoned out side and walk in but it may not be summoned inside read first paragraph

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic...lls/w/wall-of-force/

Breath weapons and spells cannot pass through a wall of force in either direction, although dimension door, teleport, and similar effects can bypass the barrier. It blocks ethereal creatures as well as material ones (though ethereal creatures can usually circumvent the wall by going around it, through material floors and ceilings). Gaze attacks can operate through a wall of force.



http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestia...dersnatch-magicbane/

Aura (Sp)


Spell like abilities are in effect the spell.

Since the aura is a spell that is active it cannot pass through wall of force.

By any rule written it cannot pass through that wall of force. Gaze attacks can penetrate a wall of force and that is it. You can also teleport through a wall of force. By written rule that is all that can be done. Which means the antimagic aura can only seep in through the bottom right corner. Especially since the wall goes from floor to ceiling. The spell descriptive text does not say, except for anti magic field.

As such, my summon should be outside the range of this spell like ability. 25 from the edge of the creatures.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:51, Thu 05 Apr 2018.

ooc: Boa, can you confirm the ruling on Antimagic Field penetrating through the Wall of Force?



S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny

.

^areas enclosed by Walls of Force

ROUND: 1 (32)
POSITION: D1 to A1
 ACTIONS:
 - Move to A1 (move), drop scroll in C1 (free)
 - Cast Wall of Force B5 to E2, 15ft tall (standard)
-  Cast Quickened Greater Heroism with Quickening Diamond(swift)

 HP: 208/208 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 17; FFAC: 11; Touch: 17
CMD: 39; FFCMD: 34; FFTAC: 11
Fort: 27; Reflex: 27; Will: 30

EFFECTS: - Spell 1 Wall of Force 2/17; Spell 2 Wall of Force 2/17; Spell 3 Wall of Force 1/17; Spell 4 Greater Heroism 1/160

   GEAR: - Ring, Rod, Boots, Cloak, Headband, Belt, Hat, Diamond x3, Ioun Stone, Talisman x3, Scroll x2, Spellbook, Backpack, belt pouch, dagger, sling, component pouch (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  Spells 1st 0/X, 2nd 0/X, 3rd 0/X, 4th 0/X, 5th 3/X, 6th 1/X, 7th 0/X, scroll 1/2; diamond 1/3, Prescience 2/13; 1 HP

MINIONS:
Do the Dodo (familiar)
 HP: 56/56 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20; FFAC: 18; Touch: 12
CMD: 30; FFCMD: 28; FFTAC: 11
Fort: 18; Reflex: 18; Will: 23
ACTIONS: Move right next to Josep

DICE ROLLS:
Josep Gavinho rolled 13 using 1d20 with rolls of 13.  Prescience R2.

SUMMARY:
Josep casts Wall of Force, moves to the corner, casts Quickened Greater Heroism

Yes, the Aura is active beyond the wall

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 77):

Okay, would you tell me why it is active beyond the wall?

White Walkers are coming....

Side Note, The dragon is only 3 CR higher than me. So it only lasts for 1 round! Yay me and being level 17!
This message was last edited by the player at 00:51, Fri 06 Apr 2018.

Check arena errata re: Frightful Presence


Joey has 23hd so you are both more than 5 less.

As for the wall of force, it lets (SU) Gaze Attacks through, so I don't see any reason for it to not let an Aura through. GM already ruled it let the AntiMagic Aura through, so do you want to argue with the GM?

In reply to Lyn (msg # 79):

Because the gaze attack is Supernatural and not a spell. Antimagic field Aura is a spell(Sp) not Supernatural(Su). Your statement on gaze attacks doesn't go against the descriptive text. Your logic on the aura for antimagic field does. It is written in the text for the spell Wall of Force.


Well look at that. I should be good still with my turn as I can't run from you. The only difference would be that I would need to have stayed in A1. If you like, you can shift me to B1.

On your turn I lose the condition from Arena Immunities.

I'm not delaying further, go ahead with your turn assumption no angel on the field of battle.

Side Note: I didn't see a ruling from GM Arkrim about Antimagic Field (SP or spell) going through Wall of Force. I saw his ruling on not allowing a save. I saw Boadicea's ruling and challenged one time, per normal. I presented my case and then asked why it still goes through. The spell stops Breath weapons(su) and spells. So by wording of the spell a cleric can still channel through it. A (Su) aura would still go through as well, such as a protective aura(Su).
This message was last edited by the player at 05:51, Fri 06 Apr 2018.

Enraged, the beasts lash out at the wall, before taking a step back and allowing Joey to focus his burning eyes at the wall, a beam of fire lashing out.




S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny



ROUND:   (Initiative: 27) Number before each monster indicates the order in which they acted.

1. Johnny
 POSITION: A7:D10
 ACTIONS: Lash Out(Swift), Move to A7:D10(Move), Readied Action(Standard)


 HP: 414/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)

2. Jenny
 POSITION: F6:I9
 ACTIONS: Move to F6:I9 (Move), Lash Out(Swift), Readied Action(Standard)


 HP: 414/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)
   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


3. Joey
 POSITION: G1:I3
 ACTIONS: Attack Wall Of Force in F1 with Eye Rays(Standard), Frightful Presence(Free)


 HP: 437/437 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 38; FFAC: 34; Touch: 12
CMD: 48; FFCMD: 45; FFTAC: 08

EFFECTS: DR15/???, Spell Resistance 31

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


DICE ROLLS:

13:02, Today: Lyn rolled 38 using 1d20+21 with rolls of 17.  Joey frightful presence.
12:54, Today: Lyn rolled 23 using 2d8+19 with rolls of 3,1.  Johnny Tail vs Wall of Force.
12:54, Today: Lyn rolled 25 using 2d8+19 with rolls of 1,5.  Jenny Tail vs Wall of Force.
12:52, Today: Lyn rolled 56 using 15d6 with rolls of 5,4,4,5,6,2,3,2,3,3,1,4,6,3,5.  Joey rays vs Wall of Force A2.
12:52, Today: Lyn rolled 47 using 15d6 with rolls of 5,6,4,5,1,2,1,1,1,1,6,4,6,3,1.  Joey rays vs Wall of Force A1.


   SUMMARY:

Johnny and Jenny last out at the wall, doing no damage, before moving. Joey beams the wall for 43 damage after hardness?, and scares Josep and Jayce with a Will Attack of 38, Josep is Frightened for 23 rounds, Jayce for 1, while Do is panicked.

OOC: I've calculated damage at full damage and hardness. If this isn't right, please let me know?

At CL17, it has 340HP. This might take a while...

The wall is an object. Divide damage by 2 then apply hardness.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:01, Sat 07 Apr 2018.

Hmm... Well. Time to try something else next turn then. :D

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/equip.../#TOC-Energy-Attacks



56/2 = 28 - 30 = nil
Unless we are saying the wall of force, since made by a spell, is not an object.







S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation

/ = wall of force directly down the middle

.	wall of force

Jayce moves towards his ally and draws a scroll. Wonder Twins Powers Combined. Jayce drops to the floor and casts two spells. Jayce then heroically reads from the scroll and casts another spell. Jayce lives faster than others for a short duration. Jayce summons an angel made of light. Jayce grabs another scroll and casts a spell quickly. Jayce speaks to his angel out of turn.


"Aranya, place wall of force between those two creatures there. Everyone, shoot that monster there and close your eyes after you shoot. Only open them before you you shoot it again. "

<tt>
ROUND: 2 (11)
POSITION: C1 to B1
 ACTIONS: stand(move), 5ft step(free), Cast Grand Destiny(swift), Cast Time Stop(standard) Spend hero point +4(free)<-- if needed(prefer not)

POSITION: B1
 ACTIONS: Standard Summon Monster 9(standard), Pick up scroll from ground(move)

POSITION: B1
 ACTIONS: Standard Summon Monster 9(standard)

POSITION: B1
 ACTIONS: Standard Summon Monster 9(standard)

POSITION: B1
 ACTIONS: Standard Summon Monster 9(standard), speak out of turn(free)



 HP: 289/289 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 35; FFAC: 22; Touch: 21
CMD: 38; FFCMD: 32; FFTAC: 14
Fort: 27; Reflex: 26; Will: 29
Grand Destiny 3/4(If save targeted Add +4 if pass save)
Perception: 27; Spellcraft: 29

EFFECTS: - 1st Spell  2/68; 2nd Spell  2/34; Summon Monster 9 1/34; 3rd spell 1/48; Summon monster 9 1/34; Summon Monster 9 1/34; Summon Monster 9 1/34
   GEAR: - backpack, cloak, spell component pouch,  belt pouch, dagger, sling, Amulet, Belt, boots, shirt, ring, ring, headband, stone, scroll x2, scroll x1, scroll x1, diamond x4 (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  SLA 6/10; Spells 1st 5/7, 2nd 7/7, 3rd 7/7, 4th 6/6, 5th 3/4, 6th 2/2
            scroll 0/2; scroll 1/1; scroll 1/1; diamond 1/4


https://www.d20pfsrd.com/besti...tsiders/azata/ghaele]


Angel 1: Position: B2+3, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 27]
 Actions:  - Cast Wall of Force(standard), hover check (free), Close Eyes(free)
 Uses: - 1/? Wall of Force
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard;
     Wall -   H5 Hardness 30 HP 260/260, I5 Hardness 30 HP 260/260(all squares to ceiling)

DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 2: Position: B2+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 27]
 Actions:  - 2 light rays(full), hover check (free), Close Eyes(free)
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard;
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 3: Position: B1+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 27]
 Actions:  - 2 light rays(full), hover check (free), Close Eyes(free)
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard;
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 4: Position: A1+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 27]
 Actions:  - 2 light rays(full), hover check (free), Close Eyes(free)
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard;
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster



Minion HD: 52/68


DICE ROLLS:


01:46, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 43,34,26,38 using d20+25,d20+25,d20+25,d20+25 with rolls of 18,9,1,13.  Angel 1-4 fly checks vs DC 15 hover.

01:41, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 9,13,5,16,17 using 2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12 with rolls of 6,3,1,12,4,1,4,12,8,9.  normal damage vs Jenny.

01:41, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 15,18 using 2d12,2d12 with rolls of 9,6,7,11.  crit damage vs Jenny.

01:40, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 17 using 1d20+14 with rolls of 3.  Crit Confirm.

01:39, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 28,34,20,26,28,33 using d20+14,d20+14,d20+14,d20+14,d20+14,d20+14 with rolls of 14,20,6,12,14,19.  Light Ray attacks 1-6 vs Jenny Touch AC.

01:13, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 5 using 1d4+1 with rolls of 4.  time stop.

01:12, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 36 using 1d20+33 with rolls of 3.  UMD vs 37. (Forgot to add Grand Destiny Modifier +4. I can reroll if you like or you can force me to use a hero point to pass But this is a monster fight and not a duel so hopefully you don't force my hero point).


Summary : Jayce stands, moves to his ally and is stuck. Jayce casts grand destiny quickly, Jayce casts time stop from his scroll. Jayce summons 4 level 9 monsters. He commands Aranya to put a wall between Jenny and the dragon. Too many Js. The rest he points to Jenny and says Shoot her. To all he commands to close your eyes after shooting and open them before shooting. Jenny takes 93 damage.
OOC:
Light ray attacks are EX abilities that bypass all DR. If I'm not mistaken, Arkrim only edited who gets affected by frightful presence but not how. So since they can't witness your dragon attack the wall, they will not be affected by you attacking the wall.

Ignore the combat fluff that is copy paste from previous block. The speech though is not combat fluff and part of the turn for strategy.

Aranya's wall of Force 1/13.

Fort 28; Reflex 28; Will 29
Grand Destiny 3/4(If save targeted Add +4 if pass save)
This message was last edited by the player at 07:36, Sat 07 Apr 2018.

summons wall of force fizzles

Boa, I would need a ruling on something before I post my next action. See PM.

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 86):
This message was lightly edited by the player at 12:54, Sat 07 Apr 2018.

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 87):

In reply to Jayce the Tamer (msg # 88):

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 90):

Ok. I couldn't have known that information. And it would be good for everyone to know. I'm done now on the subject.

Josep stays out of reach and casts a spell.
  "Let's make our friends lucky now..."




S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation

/ = wall of force directly down the middle

.	wall of force

ROUND: 3 (32)
POSITION: A1
 ACTIONS:
 - Draw scroll (move)
 - Activate Foretell (standard)
-  Cast Quickened ?? with Quickening Diamond (swift)

 HP: 208/208 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 17; FFAC: 11; Touch: 17
CMD: 39; FFCMD: 34; FFTAC: 11
Fort: 27; Reflex: 27; Will: 30


EFFECTS: - Spell 1 Wall of Force 3/17; Spell 2 Wall of Force 3/17; Spell 3 Wall of Force 2/17; Spell 4 Greater Heroism 2/160; Foretell 1/XX;


   GEAR: - Ring, Rod, Boots, Cloak, Headband, Belt, Hat, Diamond x3, Ioun Stone, Talisman x3, Scroll x2, Spellbook, Backpack, belt pouch, dagger, sling, component pouch (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  Spells 1st 0/X, 2nd 0/X, 3rd 0/X, 4th 0/X, 5th 3/X, 6th 1/X, 7th 1/X, scroll 1/2; diamond 2/3, Prescience 2/13; 1 HP; Foretell 1/XX


MINIONS:
Do the Dodo (familiar)
 HP: 56/56 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20; FFAC: 18; Touch: 12
CMD: 30; FFCMD: 28; FFTAC: 11
Fort: 18; Reflex: 18; Will: 23
ACTIONS: Move right next to Josep

DICE ROLLS:
09:50, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 9 using 1d20 with rolls of 9.  Prescience.

SUMMARY:
Josep activates his own aura of luck. Allies within 30ft now get +2 luck bonus on all d20 rolls (saves, attacks, skill checks, etc)
Josep swiftly casts a spell and draws a scroll.

OOC: with the luck bonus, my will save is as high as 35. So if Joey rolls 34 or less, I'll finally be immune to his presence.

Can I just get confirmation the light ray can penetrate the wall of force?

In reply to Lyn (msg # 94):

They aren't penetrating a wall of force. They are above the wall of force in our area. The two walls outside do not connect. See your E for example. It is in an opening. Wall one goes from F1 to F5. Wall two goes from A6 to E6

Josep's wall inside goes up 15ft. ground level is +0. 5ft up is +1(head level will be at 10ft), 10ft up is +2(head level will be at 15ft), 15ft up is +3(head level will be at 20ft).
This message was last edited by the player at 08:55, Mon 09 Apr 2018.

Not that the brandersnatches had any way of knowing that until something actually comes through, or they poke the wall in every possible location.

S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation

/ = wall of force directly down the middle

.	wall of force

ROUND:   (Initiative: 27) Number before each monster indicates the order in which they acted.

1. Johnny
 POSITION: A7:D10
 ACTIONS: Readied Action(Standard)


 HP: 414/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)

2. Jenny
 POSITION: G4:J7
 ACTIONS: Move to G4:J7 (Move), 4 Quills (Standard)


 HP: 331/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)
   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


3. Joey
 POSITION: HI:J10+6
 ACTIONS: Attack Wall Of Force in F1 with Vital Strike(Standard), Frightful Presence(Free), Move at half speed, 45° angle south and up


 HP: 437/437 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 38; FFAC: 34; Touch: 12
CMD: 48; FFCMD: 45; FFTAC: 08

EFFECTS: DR15/???, Spell Resistance 31

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


DICE ROLLS:

11:46, Today: Lyn rolled 35,15,15,14 using 2d10+26,1d10+13,1d10+13,1d10+13 with rolls of 6,3,2,2,1.  Jenny A1, A2, A3, a4.

11:45, Today: Lyn rolled 38 using 1d20+26 with rolls of 12.  A1 confirm.

11:44, Today: Lyn rolled 46,42,30,38 using 1d20+26,1d20+26,1d20+26,1d20+26 with rolls of 20,16,4,12.  Jenny Quills vs Angel 1, 2, 3, 4 FfAC27.

11:42, Today: Lyn rolled 37 using 1d20+21 with rolls of 16.  Joey Frightful Presence.

11:42, Today: Lyn rolled 52 using 8d8+23 with rolls of 2,4,3,8,6,2,3,1.  Joey Vital Strike Power Attack bite vs wall


   SUMMARY:

Johnny bides his time, while Jenny moves away from the angels, pausing to let loose with a volley of Quills through the same gap the Angels used, which pass harmlessly through the incorporeal beings. Joey  attacks the wall and scares Josep and Jayce with a Will Attack of 37, Josep is Frightened for 23 rounds, Jayce for 1, while Do is panicked, then flys up and south


OOC: Well, if you're going to make use of a hole in the wall... Damn. To think, all this because I missed an AoO before my first post :/

Ooc: illegal movement for joey. He is in the ceiling. No fly check, 2d6 or 3d6 fall damage?
This message was last edited by the player at 05:30, Tue 10 Apr 2018.

Small arena, ceiling is 50' high? Or just 25'? If it's only +5 then I goofed :/

No fly check as did use over half move speed, and ascended not more than then 45°

cieling is at 25'(+4 highest you can stand in) (busy night at work give me a bit to look over everything)

S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey      +0 or +3
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation
A5 = Angel 5  +4 Elevation

/ = wall of force directly down the middle

.	wall of force

<tt>
ROUND: 3 (11)
POSITION: B1
 ACTIONS: Cast spell quickly(swift), Summon Monster 9(standard) Speak(free)


 HP: 289/289 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 35; FFAC: 22; Touch: 21
CMD: 38; FFCMD: 32; FFTAC: 14
Fort: 30; Reflex: 30; Will: 31
Grand Destiny 3/4(If save targeted Add +4 if pass save)
Perception: 32; Spellcraft: 32

EFFECTS: - 1st Spell  3/68; 2nd Spell  3/34; Summon Monster 9 2/34; 3rd spell 2/48; Summon monster 9 2/34; Summon Monster 9 2/34; Summon Monster 9 2/34; 4th Spell 1/51; Summon monster 9 1/34
   GEAR: - backpack, cloak, spell component pouch,  belt pouch, dagger, sling, Amulet, Belt, boots, shirt, ring, ring, headband, stone, scroll x2, scroll x1, scroll x1, diamond x4 (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  SLA 6/10; Spells 1st 5/7, 2nd 7/7, 3rd 7/7, 4th 6/6, 5th 3/4, 6th 2/2
            scroll 0/2; scroll 1/1; scroll 1/1; diamond 0/4


https://www.d20pfsrd.com/besti...tsiders/azata/ghaele]


Angel 1: Position: B2+3, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 27]
 Actions:  - Open Eyes(free), 2 light rays(full), hover check (free), Close Eyes(free)
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard;


DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 2: Position: B2+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 27]
 Actions:  - Open Eyes(free), 2 light rays(full), hover check (free), Close Eyes(free)
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard;
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 3: Position: B1+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 27]
 Actions:  - Open Eyes(free), 2 light rays(full), hover check (free), Close Eyes(free)
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard;
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 4: Position: A1+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 27]
 Actions:  - Open Eyes(free), 2 light rays(full), hover check (free), Close Eyes(free)
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard;
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 5: Position: A2+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 27]
 Actions:  - Open Eyes(free), 2 light rays(full), hover check (free), Close Eyes(free)
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard;
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster


Minion HD: 65/68


DICE ROLLS:


03:25, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 27,34,26,28,31 using d20+25,d20+25,d20+25,d20+25,d20+25 with rolls of 2,9,1,3,6.  dc 15 hover check.

03:25, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 17,13,16,14,20,8,17,13,12,8 using 2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12 with rolls of 10,7,8,5,4,12,12,2,10,10,1,7,7,10,7,6,2,10,5,3.  Light Ray damage vs E.

03:24, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 29,20,32,33,29,18,34,34,30,28 using D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16 with rolls of 13,4,16,17,13,2,18,18,14,12.  10 light ray attacks vs E touch AC.


Summary : Jayce casts a spell quickly, jayce summons another angel. All angels open eyes, fire vs jenny(E), hover then close eyes. Jenny takes 138 damage.
OOC: Joey falling, moving down or somewhere else does not affect my turn. Eyes closed on Angel. Do your worst Joey, do your worst!

due to his unable to fail the fly check the flight is good however the position is bad so he does not move from original stop losing that action

Except that he is huge 3x3x3. Even Huge long I think the highest he can be(as we measure from ground) is +3 but +2 I believe is where he would be? His cube taking +2,+3,+4.

If we are using top of body(the highest point you are taking) then +4 is fine. Larger than medium sized creatures are funny like that. As at ground level, technically Joey is already at +2. lol

This isn't an argument on rules, it is more like I would like clarification on what to use.
This message was last edited by the player at 08:53, Tue 10 Apr 2018.

It could crouch and squeeze on the ceiling with the appropriate escape artist and fly check.

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/gamemastering/combat/



The space is wide enough. There would need to be another object to actually tighten the space for joey to squeeze into. You can squeeze past a creature but can't end in a squeezed space next to the creature. Only an object such as two walls or two pillars(effectively a wall).
This message was last edited by the player at 09:13, Tue 10 Apr 2018.

In reply to Jayce the Tamer (msg # 103):

the you I am speaking of is human (medium creature) typing at keyboard hopefully that answers the question

Okay, guys, I'm stepping in. This has gotten ridiculous.

1) HOLES IN A WALL
You cannot customize holes in your wall of force. You either have a wall or you don't. The map doesn't magically put holes between squares for you to use. Your wall either fills the square or it doesn't (no inbetweens). If the spell does not exclusively say you can do it, then you can't do it. You cannot customize your shape in any way other than what squares you place your walls. You either you have it or you don't. If you wanted holes you should've cast force cage instead.

2) MAP TOKENS
Josep, you need to follow the Arena Maps format for placing walls on the board. Do not get creative and try to make up your own method. That's blatantly incompetent and incorrect and if Boadicea were acting adequately as a referee, she'd have slapped a strike on you for that.

3) POLYMORPH vs. ANTIMAGIC
A polymorphed creature of large size or larger partially entering the antimagic field would be affected the same way a summoned creature would. That part of them would revert back to normal and vs. all things within or through the antimagic field they'd lose their polymorph benefits/drawbacks but on the other side of the field keep them. So if you turned into a stone giant and punched someone in an antimagic field your fist would be normal damage without the polymorph or magic. If your size was changed by the magic it's likely that part of you would just wink out of existence for the duration.

4) AURAS vs. WALLS
Auras go through solid objects if they are not physical auras. Frightful presence could go through a solid wall if the person on the other side of the wall can see and hear the monster. Same would apply to antipaladin auras, antimagic field, mind-affecting effects, siren's song, dominate person, etc. The only auras blocked by physical walls are those that note that they are and those that don't note if they do or not but are physical (anything that deals hit point damage but isn't exclusively a mind-affecting effect). Neither the angels nor monsters could harm each other as long as that wall is up. None of them can teleport or burrow.

5) MAP SIZE
Small arena states that it's 50'x50'x50' epic cube and half is below ground and the other above. So you have 25 feet of fly/walk space. There is no confusion there whatsoever. It explicitly notes this in the maps thread. You list where your creature is at their standing point, not their height.

6) REFEREE PLEASE DO YOUR JOB
Boadicea, please have them place the wall on the map AS A WALL and not do any of the idiotic stuff they've been doing trying to list a wall like an aura. It must be placed AS A WALL. Pick the squares the wall is in, and that's it.

7) DO NOT EVEN TRY IT
The next person to argue is disqualified and suspended from the arena. Do not even try it.

S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey      +0 or +3
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation
A5 = Angel 5  +4 Elevation

Wall of Force 1 and 2

+4

Wall of Force 3

+2

OOC: Let me know if this is incorrect. Update joey location. Wall of Force 1 and 2 do not connect.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:19, Tue 10 Apr 2018.

In reply to GM Arkrim (msg # 107):
 I wholeheartedly agree. Especially the bit about Holes in Wall of Force, I don’t who tried to pull that one off but that is utter nonsense and literally contradicts the spell description.

Jayce, your new map should include a note to say where the wall is in that square, ie on the right hand edge of the squares for the vertical one, on the bottom edge of the squares for the horizontal one, and through the diagonal for the diagonal one.
There is a 5ft gap on either side of the diagonal one.

(Again, neither  brandersnatches or jabberwok would know any of that until they poke it)

S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey      +0 or +3
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation
A5 = Angel 5  +4 Elevation

Wall of Force 1 and 2
Wall of Force 3

Walls go by the hieght (head) vs character goes by feet when marking altitude

Josep casts a quick spell then a spell from his scroll.
  "Quite a retinue of angels we have now..." he comments.

 Dodo cowers in his master's robe.


S = Jayce (Summoner) +0
W = Josep (Wizard) +0
D = Dodo familiar +0
J = Joey        +0
O = Johnny  +0
E = Jenny     +0
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation
A5 = Angel 5  +4 Elevation

Wall of Force 1 and 2 (25ft tall)
Wall of Force 3 (15ft tall)

 For clarity and simplicity, and even though they are invisible, I've included the exact location of each wall of force:
 First Wall: Top Right of F1 to Top Right of F6, floor to ceiling.
 Second Wall: Bottom left of A6 to Bottom Left of F6, floor to ceiling.
 Third Wall: Bottom left of B5 to Top Right of E2, 15ft tall.

ROUND: 4 (32)
POSITION: A1
 ACTIONS:
 - Draw scroll (move)
 -  Cast Quickened Arcane Sight (swift)
 - Cast Summon Monster IX: Trumpet Archon (full-round)

 HP: 208/208 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 17; FFAC: 11; Touch: 17
CMD: 39; FFCMD: 34; FFTAC: 11
Fort: 27; Reflex: 27; Will: 30

EFFECTS: - Spell 1 Wall of Force 4/17; Spell 2 Wall of Force 4/17; Spell 3 Wall of Force 3/17; Spell 4 Greater Heroism 3/160; Foretell; Arcane Sight 1/XX

   GEAR: - Ring, Rod, Boots, Cloak, Headband, Belt, Hat, Diamond x3, Ioun Stone, Talisman x3, Spellbook, Backpack, belt pouch, dagger, sling, component pouch (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  Spells 1st 0/X, 2nd 0/X, 3rd 0/X, 4th 0/X, 5th 3/X, 6th 1/X, 7th 2/X, scroll 2/2; diamond 2/3, Prescience 4/13; 1 HP; Foretell 2/XX


MINIONS:
Do the Dodo (familiar)
 HP: 56/56 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20; FFAC: 18; Touch: 12
CMD: 30; FFCMD: 28; FFTAC: 11
Fort: 16; Reflex: 16; Will: 21
ACTIONS: Move in same square as Josep (Panicked)

DICE ROLLS:
19:50, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 3 using 1d20 with rolls of 3.  Prescience
 Use Prescience roll on Caster Level Check DC18 for Summon Monster

SUMMARY:
 Josep casts a quick spell, then a spell from his scroll, nothing happens yet. Dodo cowers.

Pm, nothing to see here.

In reply to Lyn (msg # 112):

This message was deleted by the player at 08:22, Wed 11 Apr 2018.

S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey      +0 or +3
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation
A5 = Angel 5  +4 Elevation

Wall of Force 1 and 2

Wall 1(F1): 293/340hp

Wall of Force 3

+3

ROUND: 4  (Initiative: 27)
1. Johnny
 POSITION: A7:D10
 ACTIONS: Readied Action(Standard)


 HP: 414/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)

2. Jenny
 POSITION: G1:J4
 ACTIONS: Move to G1:J4 (Move), Ready Action (Standard)


 HP: 331/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)
   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


3. Joey
 POSITION: H5:J7
 ACTIONS: Move to H5:J7(MOVE) Attack Wall Of Force in F1 with Vital Strike(Standard), Frightful Presence(Free)


 HP: 437/437 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 38; FFAC: 34; Touch: 12
CMD: 48; FFCMD: 45; FFTAC: 08

EFFECTS: DR15/???, Spell Resistance 31

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


DICE ROLLS:

19:59, Today: Lyn rolled 29 using 1d20+21 with rolls of 8.  Frightful Presence.

19:58, Today: Lyn rolled 55 using 8d8+23 with rolls of 2,3,3,1,5,8,7,3.  Vs pa vs w1


   SUMMARY: Johnny Jenny ready actions, Jenny and Joey swap places, and Joey bites wall 1. Frightful Presence with Will Attack of 29


OOC: okay. Let's try something else...
Haran is now immune to frightful presence. Josep is still effected by the last one and will have 22 turns left.

Angels shouldn't be able to open and close eyes in same round, so will either be panicked now, it have 50% miss chance on last rounds attacks. I'll leave it up to Bo to rule on that, and update HP afterwards.

OOC: Control + F: "eyes" on Arkrim's site on every page pulls no results. I can't honestly be expected to go through every fight in the arena to find a rule for that one match and apply it to all future matches. Also, going through that post(since you're making me to invalidate my tactics) boa ruled josep had concealment on page 5 because you opened your eyes at the end of your action list and not the beginning.


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And while you may have been doing something(I know there are abilities that require leaving eyes closed for a minute then opening), you listed opening them at the end.


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Now there were some PMs, so it may not have anything to do with the eyes at all. And I still haven't found whatever match had this ruling about not being able to open and close your eyes in the same round. If there is, feel free to point it out. I'd be more than happy to take a peek. There are, though, over 200 matches in this arena. And I'm not going to go through every single one.

Finding individual rulings is hard, no arguments there.

As for championship.

Brakt closed his eyes during the prep round, so had his eyes closed at the start of the round, and wasn't trying to close them just for his attack.

Latro, Vry, Tinna and others should be as well. Lol.

Unless they’re standing too close to the arena!
After all, it does go through the walls of force ;)

So tactical movement. I don't know if you can switch which monster is first at your will and whim, but since you listed them in order of Johnny, Jenny, Joey...I'm reading that as Johnny goes first, then Jenny, then Joey.

Now, Jenny going second means she must ready an action to move into Joey's space after he clears that space. Joey moving third means he must move past Jenny and ready an action to move to his current space after Jenny leaves that space.

If you are able to change their acting order at will, Only Joey needs a readied action to enter the space after Jenny clears it. If not, the above tactical movement is required to do what you just did. Pretty much, leaving you no ability to attack with Joey in the first place.


http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG...Rulebook/combat.html
Ending Your Movement
You can’t end your movement in the same square as another creature unless it is helpless.

There are special circumstances such as fine, diminutive and tiny creatures can a d feast make it possible.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:06, Wed 11 Apr 2018.

I looked and could not find anything on the whole open close eye thing in the battles linked maybe I am missing something.  The tactic however cheesey is valid at the moment . I personally believe it should be a once per round decision either they are open or closed (I have read enough discuss on mirror image and eyes closed even SKR thinks it should be a move at least to get effects of blindness)

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 121):

I had already assumed they had blinded effects during Lyn's turn. And I'm okay that they do. It makes sense that they do.

What about the tactical movement, is that okay or is it more like what I said? Thank you.

In reply to Jayce the Tamer (msg # 122):

waiting on a reply to PM from Lyn on movement.  It's not just taking the blind effects for Lyn turn it's also once eyes open they are open to attack they are open till next turn is how I would like it.
If what Vry linked in OOC (thank you Very)is still active as it should beings it's a GM ruling you choose at the begining of turn wether they are open or closed

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Nevertheless, I shall abide by whatever you say unless GM overrules due to us being on thin ice as is. I know I'm super rules lawyerly, thank you for reffing.

OOC: Rules lawyering is fine, but messed up maps and saying one thing when you mean something ENTIRELY DIFFERENT is liable to piss me off and anyone else who is actually using RAW for competitive play.

Here's the rule from now on:

Blink (Free action): Once per round you can close, open, or avert your eyes as a free action. You automatically close your eyes while unconscious (no action).

Once Per Round: Whenever you do anything that is limited to once per round, you're restricted as to when you can do it again. If the action is done during your turn, you can't do it again until the start of your next turn. If the action is done outside your turn, you can't do it again until end of your next turn.

Simple, and resolves a lot of other possible problems before they happen.

Boa, with brakt wanting a ruling and Arkrim's new insight are you ok with avert eyes vs dragon(free)?

There are already rules in place for that, it Grants dragon 20 percent miss chance(concealment) vs my attacks. Should be enough to not witness(what I want) as it is enough to not be affected by nymph abilities(look at her within 30ft) and better yet, watch the other enemies as normal.

If this is acceptable feel free to roll 20 percent miss chance or take these rolls.

20:35, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 83,5,31,88,17,5,81,73,14,3 using D100,d100,d100,d100,d100,d100,d100,d100,d100,d100 with rolls of 83,5,31,88,17,5,81,73,14,3.  10 miss chances vs dragon. Light ray attacks.

17,13,16,14,20,8,17,13,12,8 damage in order


17, 16, 14, 17, 12 hit. 76 damage.

PM to boa and arkrim
This message was last edited by the player at 01:45, Thu 12 Apr 2018.

In reply to Jayce the Tamer (msg # 126):

Your summons always act immediately after your turn in initiative, whenever that may be (they cannot act at any other time).

THAT'S A FOUL for JAYCE. Asking a question that is already answered on the site long before this match started.

(The GM can butt in when they like but YOU do not get to question a GM unless you're willing to risk an overruling/foul. You should not have used my name in your post.)
This message was last edited by the GM at 11:02, Thu 12 Apr 2018.

Jayce is immune. Sorry about that lol. Everyone else better stay away from the arena walls though, if you haven't bolted already!

In reply to Jayce the Tamer (msg # 126):

It was brought to my attention that witnessing the dragon attack something that is not just by site so no averting thier eyes is not enough

And for the beasts movements it could have been worded better but at the end of the turn no one was sitting on anyone else so I will leave it alone.  Gotta remember round is 6 sec so they may start thier actions at different times but are moving together

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 129):

That's not how movement works. If so josep could end his turn in my square if he knew I was going to move. He can't because of the rule I quoted above. We ALL go at the same time in these six seconds. Initiative allows us to complete our turn in order from fastest reaction to slowest because it is a turn based game.

I remove my challenge of movement



Ok, as was stated must be able to hear and see the creature. So I will leave their eyes closed. 50 percent miss chance.

09:19, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 65,54,67,37,92,24,79,88,90,4 using D100,d100,d100,d100,d100,d100,d100,d100,d100,d100 with rolls of 65,54,67,37,92,24,79,88,90,4.  50 percent miss chance vs dragon. Light ray attacks.

25, Tue 10 Apr: Jayce the Tamer rolled 17,13,16,14,20,8,17,13,12,8 using 2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12 with rolls of 10,7,8,5,4,12,12,2,10,10,1,7,7,10,7,6,2,10,5,3.  Light Ray damage vs E.


17. 13, 16, 20, 17, 13, 12.

98 damage

7 attacks land instead.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:08, Thu 12 Apr 2018.

In reply to Jayce the Tamer (msg # 130):

quote:

If so josep could end his turn in my square if he knew I was going to move.

not true you act in one initiative he acts on another all three beasts act together on the same initiative big difference

There are already rules for creatures acting on the same initiative. That is the one with the highest Dex modifier goes 1st. the dexterity of the magic bane bandersnatch is 25. The Jabberwock is 16. There maybe precedent for the bandersnatch to go at exactly the same time. there Is not one for the Jabberwock.


 I remove my challenge of movement

This can be seen in previous matches and on srd as well as paizo sites.


Posting my turn soon
This message was last edited by the player at 15:29, Thu 12 Apr 2018.

S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey      +0 or +3
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation
A5 = Angel 5  +4 Elevation

Wall of Force 1 and 2

Wall 1(F1): 293/340hp

Wall of Force 3

+3








S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation


<tt>
ROUND: 4 (11)
POSITION: C1 to B1
 ACTIONS: Delay until Initiative 31(no action)

 HP: 289/289 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 35; FFAC: 22; Touch: 21
CMD: 38; FFCMD: 32; FFTAC: 14
Fort: 30; Reflex: 30; Will: 31
Grand Destiny 3/4(If save targeted Add +4 if pass save)
Perception: 32; Spellcraft: 32

EFFECTS: - 1st Spell  4/68; 2nd Spell  4/34; Summon Monster 9 3/34; 3rd spell 3/48; Summon monster 9 3/34; Summon Monster 9 3/34; Summon Monster 9 3/34; 4th Spell 2/51; Summon monster 9 2/34
   GEAR: - backpack, cloak, spell component pouch,  belt pouch, dagger, sling, Amulet, Belt, boots, shirt, ring, ring, headband, stone, scroll x2, scroll x1, scroll x1, diamond x4 (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  SLA 6/10; Spells 1st 5/7, 2nd 7/7, 3rd 7/7, 4th 6/6, 5th 3/4, 6th 2/2
            scroll 0/2; scroll 1/1; scroll 1/1; diamond 0/4




Angel 1: Position: B2+3, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 29]
 Actions:  - cannot act until after Jayce
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility


DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 2: Position: B2+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 29]
 Actions:  - cannot act until after Jayce
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 3: Position: B1+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 29]
 Actions:  - cannot act until after Jayce
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 4: Position: A1+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 29]
 Actions:  - cannot act until after Jayce
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 5: Position: A2+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 29]
 Actions:  - cannot act until after Jayce
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster


Minion HD: 65/68


DICE ROLLS:



Summary : Jayce delays until initiative 31.
OOC:

Josep mutters something to coordinate with Jayce.

 He then tells the trumpet angel:
  "Hi. Cast Bless for a start. And keep your Angel buddies within your Protection aura. And don't get close to the walls." he commands in Celestial.

 Dodo cowers ever more.

  "Your move, Jay-Jay."



S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation
A5 = Angel 5  +4 Elevation
A6 = Angel 6  +2 Elevation

Wall of Force 1 (25ft tall) . 293/340hp
Wall of Force 2 (25ft tall)
Wall of Force 3 (15ft tall)

ROUND: 5 (32)
POSITION: A1
 ACTIONS:
 - Prescience (free)
 - Ready Action

 HP: 208/208 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 17; FFAC: 11; Touch: 17
CMD: 39; FFCMD: 34; FFTAC: 11
Fort: 27; Reflex: 27; Will: 30

EFFECTS: - Spell 1 Wall of Force 5/17; Spell 2 Wall of Force 5/17; Spell 3 Wall of Force 4/17; Spell 4 Greater Heroism 4/160; Foretell; Arcane Sight 2/XX

   GEAR: - Ring, Rod, Boots, Cloak, Headband, Belt, Hat, Diamond x3, Ioun Stone, Talisman x3, Spellbook, Backpack, belt pouch, dagger, sling, component pouch (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  Spells 1st 0/X, 2nd 0/X, 3rd 0/X, 4th 0/X, 5th 3/X, 6th 1/X, 7th 2/X, scroll 2/2; diamond 2/3, Prescience 5/13; 1 HP; Foretell 3/XX


MINIONS:
Do the Dodo (familiar)
 HP: 56/56 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20; FFAC: 18; Touch: 12
CMD: 30; FFCMD: 28; FFTAC: 11
Fort: 16; Reflex: 16; Will: 21
ACTIONS: Naught

Angel 6: Position: A2+2, HP 175/175, [AC 27, FFAC 24, TAC 13, CMD 32, FFCMD 29, Fort 27, Refl 20, Will 25]
 Actions:  - cast Bless
 Uses: - Bless.
 Effects: - +4 vs. poison, +2 resistance vs. evil, DR 10/evil; Immune electricity, petrification; SR 25 ; Magic Circle vs Evil & Bless for all allies

DICE ROLLS:
21:38, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 3 using 1d20 with rolls of 3.  prescience (darn!!)
21:59, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 32 using 1d20+24 with rolls of 8.  Fly check (hover).

SUMMARY:
 Josep finishes his Summoning.
 An Angel Appears, she casts a spell (all allies benefit from Bless & Protection from Evil — note: Jabberwock is evil)
 Dodo cowers.

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 134):

Josep's Summon Fails (improper location) if you need details check championship match we had a nice discussion on this so no wiggle room for you.  I should have caught it, was focused on other details and did not so Jayce's summons (1 has a move action unused in first round summoned, no change)(2,3,4)can stay but first round they where summoned no eye rays they use thier action to achieve the altitude you wanted them at.

Lyn Jenny gets 93 HP back (2,3,4) plus 26 HP back (5)

We had that exact same conversation about air Elemental and you said it was fine to summon them in midair as they have a fly speed and can hover. They all have a perfect manoeuvrability and over +20 Fly skill, air is for all intents and purposes a surface that can support them....

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 136):

That was your rational not mine I will quote mine, so you might actually read it...

I'm sorry, I would like to be clued in on what you two are talking about. Please. That quote link doesn't mean anything to me because it cannot be found anywhere here:

https://sites.google.com/site/thepathfinderarena/

And I didn't see GM Arkrim post in the championship match about what you quoted.

Summon Monster:

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic...ls/s/summon-monster/



I agree that I should not be able to summon a water elemental in the plane of fire. Or a creature that breathes air underwater. I could not summon a shark on land. I see nothing supporting how you feel, but if Arkrim did indeed make that rule, I will be more than happy to abide by his house rule.

no need for GM to agree or not, my quote in message #135 is straight from SRD that is why you can not summon things 15' in the air

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic...onjuration-Summoning


Found it. Cool thanks. Yes I'm sure this was designed so you can't summon a spider 15 feet above someone. But:


Floating:

buoyant or suspended in water or air.

Susepend:
hang (something) from somewhere.

Fly:
(of a bird or other winged creature) move through the air under control.

I don't see how they are related... But I'll post my turn soon anyway.

In reply to Jayce the Tamer (msg # 140):

It's the last line of what you just quoted that makes it so you can not summon creature mid air, "It must arrive in an open location on a surface capable of supporting it."

I could have summoned on ground level and let the angel use a move action to fly up if I knew that’s how you feel, but the fact that all angels had been summoned that way in the current fight let me think that you were still ok with this.

Your quote clearly states what you think the RAI is.

Should I edit my post?
Does the scroll disappear, or can I cast again?

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 135):

Just to confirm.

Jenny takes 98 damage but is restored 119 from retcons and 10 from fast healing?

Total +31 to 362/414?
This message was last updated by the player at 10:13, Fri 13 Apr 2018.

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 142):



Exactly neither of you summoned an air elemental, you may reuse scroll spell failed to complete no need to edit post

In reply to Lyn (msg # 143):

Jenny's HP should be (331 - 138 + 119 + 10 =) 322 HP

Okay. Jenny is at 322/414HP

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 144):
 I find it really mean to let us do it round after round, and make my spell fizzle when you decide it’s no longer permitted.
 But I can’t afford to challenge any more ruling, so here we go.
 A6 isn’t summoned (yet).

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 146):

If you saw it you should have questioned it at that time there was plenty of space for everything to be summoned and my attention was focused on other things so at a glance it all looked good.  I looked at yours a little harder because of all the jumble mess of creatures in the area to insure all was good (as I said previously you and I have had the conversation on summon and need to be on a solid surface before)

S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey      +0 or +3
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation
A5 = Angel 5  +4 Elevation

Wall of Force 1 and 2

+5

Wall of Force 4 and 5

+5

Wall 4 (F1-F2): 260/260hp
Wall 5 (F4-F5): 260/260hp


Wall of Force 3

+3

+3


S = Jayce (Summoner) +2 Elevation
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation


Jayce casts a spell and flies upward. He speaks to the heavenly host.

"Artonius and Arthur open your eyes. It is time to alter our defensive position."

When the angels open their eyes, Jayce issues a new command.

"Artonius, Put a Wall in front of the northen half of the creature we are attacking. Arhur, Place one south of that between the smaller creature and the creature we are attacking."


ROUND: 5 (31)
POSITION: B1 to B1+2
 ACTIONS: Cast Spell(standard), Ascend straight up(move), Speak to Angels(free), Speak to angels out of turn(free).

 HP: 289/289 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 35; FFAC: 22; Touch: 21
CMD: 38; FFCMD: 32; FFTAC: 14
Fort: 30; Reflex: 30; Will: 31
Grand Destiny 3/4(If save targeted Add +4 if pass save)
Perception: 32; Spellcraft: 32

EFFECTS: - 1st Spell  5/68; 2nd Spell  5/34; Summon Monster 9 4/34; 3rd spell 4/48; Summon monster 9 4/34; Summon Monster 9 4/34; Summon Monster 9 4/34; 4th Spell 3/51; Summon monster 9 3/34; 5th spell 1/34; Immune to dragon's fear indefinite;
   GEAR: - backpack, cloak, spell component pouch,  belt pouch, dagger, sling, Amulet, Belt, boots, shirt, ring, ring, headband, stone, scroll x2, scroll x1, scroll x1, diamond x4 (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  SLA 6/10; Spells 1st 5/7, 2nd 7/7, 3rd 7/7, 4th 6/6, 5th 3/4, 6th 2/2
            scroll 0/2; scroll 1/1; scroll 1/1; diamond 0/4




Angel 1: Position: B2+3, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 29]
 Actions:  -  Hover(free)
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility


DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 2: Position: B2+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 29]
 Actions:  - Open Eyes(free), Cast Wall Of Force(standard),
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility; Wall of Force 1/13 F1-F2 +5
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster




Angel 3: Position: B1+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 29]
 Actions:  - Open Eyes(free), Cast Wall of Force(standard) F4-F5 +5
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility; Wall of Force 1/13
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 4: Position: A1+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 29]
 Actions:  - Hover(free)
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 5: Position: A2+4, HP 162/162, [AC 28, FFAC 27, TAC 16, CMD 38, FFCMD 36, FFTAC 15, Fort 30, Refl 22, Will 29]
 Actions:  - Hover(free)
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster


Minion HD: 65/68


DICE ROLLS:



Summary : Jayce casts a spell and flies upward. He talks to his angels. During their turn he talks to them again. Angel 2 places wall of force in F1 to F2 25ft tall, about one foot behind Josep's. Angel 3 places Wall of Force in F4 to F5 25ft tall, about one foot behind Josep's. Angel 3 and 4 have their eyes open.
OOC:+34 fly skill, +8 from spell. not rolling fly checks since the autopass doesn't require. All angels have +25 fly check.