I’m in no position to negotiate.
I strongly disagree with the ruling, but you’re well within your right to make that call.
Does that mean we cannot summon creature in water, except at the bottom?
I’m a bit weary is all, I guess.

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 149):

It can be taken as such, if you have a question about it you may ask your ref or GM.


Is water considered an object is a spot in the water and open location?
This message was last edited by the player at 19:33, Fri 13 Apr 2018.

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 150):

It would be floating in empty space. Lol suspended in air or water. Haha.

I believe that triggers my readied action. How convenient.
Josep dismisses the first Wall of Force.

ooc: my phone now suggest “of Force” every time I type wall :)

<tt>

S = Jayce (Summoner) +2 Elevation
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey      +0 or +3
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation
A5 = Angel 5  +4 Elevation

Wall of Force 2(A6-E6)

Wall of Force 4(F1-F2) and 5(F4-F5)


Wall 4 (F1-F2): 260/260hp
Wall 5 (F4-F5): 260/260hp


Wall of Force 3

Map after Josep readied action.

Edit action. Summary: angel 2 and 3 have their eyes open.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:00, Sat 14 Apr 2018.

PM

In reply to Lyn (msg # 154):

S = Jayce (Summoner) +2 Elevation
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey   +3:+5 Elevation
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation
A5 = Angel 5  +4 Elevation

Wall of Force 2(A6-E6)

+5

Wall of Force 4(F1-F2) and 5(F4-F5)

+5

Wall 4 (F1-F2): 260/260hp
Wall 5 (F4-F5): 260/260hp


Wall of Force 3

+3

ROUND: 4  (Initiative: 27)
1. Johnny
 POSITION: A7:D10
 ACTIONS: Readied Action(Standard)


 HP: 414/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)

2. Jenny
 POSITION: G1:J4
 ACTIONS: Attack with Quills(Standard)


 HP: 331/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)
   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


3. Joey
 POSITION: H5:J7
 ACTIONS: Squeeze through to C5:E3(Full-Round Action), Roar(Free), Frightful Presence(Free)


 HP: 437/437 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 34; FFAC: 30; Touch: 08
CMD: 48; FFCMD: 45; FFTAC: 08

EFFECTS: DR15/???, Spell Resistance 31, Squeezing (-4 to attack rolls and AC)

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


DICE ROLLS:


Refresh the dice log

20:51, Today: Lyn rolled 14,38 using 1d10+13,1d20+18 with rolls of 1,20.  Quill Damage, Pain vs Jayce Reflex30.
20:47, Today: Lyn rolled 32,31,42,31 using 1d20+26,1d20+26,1d20+26,1d20+26 with rolls of 6,5,16,5.  Jenny Quills vs Jayce Cover AC39.
20:36, Today: Lyn rolled 40 using 1d20+21 with rolls of 19.  Frightful Presence Joey.
20:25, Today: Lyn rolled 35 using 1d20+26 with rolls of 9.  Escape Artist Squeeze Joey.
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   SUMMARY: Johnny readies actions, Jenny attacks Jayce behind cover with Quills for 14 damage. Jayce is Sickened until he makes a DC20 Heal Check as a full-round action.

Joey squeezes through the wall, and roars at the gathered angels, All Angels are panicked by Frightful Presence with Will Attack of 40. Josep is Frightened with 21 turns left.


OOC: Oh, hai dere.

So, I know your angels closed their eyes, but... Frightful Presence doesn't rely on sight, so.

Joey autopasses Fly check with +21 Fly skill

Lyn when I said full round that was just threw the opening which is what you ask about moving to the opening would be a move action it's self

Also trying to look it up but due to the dragon needing it's wings to fly, I don't think it can fly while squeezed into a space half it's size

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/skills/escape-artist/

Move through a tight space 30 at least 1 minute Yes

Move Through Tight Space
The DC noted is for getting through a space where your head fits but your shoulders don’t. If the space is long you may need to make multiple checks. You can’t get through a space that your head does not fit through.

Action Squeezing through a tight space takes at least 1 minute, maybe longer, depending on how long the space is.

Retry? Yes. You can make another check after a failed check if you’re squeezing your way through a tight space, making multiple checks. If the situation permits, you can make additional checks, or even take 20, as long as you’re not being actively opposed.

This would take you 30 rounds. As this is for a medium creature squeezing through 1 square. You are 15ftx15ftx15ft moving through 5ft.

Getting through the hole is less than half its size
This message was last edited by the player at 12:08, Sun 15 Apr 2018.

Force wall is a thin plane we all agree on that, the hole is 5'X25', it would not take 1 minute (10 rounds) to make it threw the wall and the space on the other side is larger than half it's size.

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 159):

And there are two planes blocking his path
. Yes It would. As this spacing is not large enough for his shoulders to move through normally. He is 15x15x15. The space may be taller than he is, it is not half as wide as he is.


The rule says head fits but shoulders dont. His shoulders do not fit through that opening. Through the wall. The space on the other side is irrelevant to the part he is squeezing through.


If a medium creature was squeezing through something 1 foot wide, wouldn't matter if it was 100ft tall. Shoulders dont fit. And that is the part that matters.



Also note, frightful presence is something usually done as part of an attack(standard)or charge(full round action). I disagree that it can be done as part of a free action. Otherwise it would state you can do it for free once per round instead of part of a type of attack. Because a free action as part of a free action is cheesier than what I was doing. My tactics came with flaw and penalties.

In reply to Jayce the Tamer (msg # 160):

I only see one wall on either side not two so it would only pass threw a single plane where the hole is 1/3 where as your example is 1/5 the creature's size
This message was last edited by the player at 14:37, Sun 15 Apr 2018.

I agree it's slightly cheesey however the wording is clear it is a free action and it usually (so not required to) accompany an attack/charge action. I like the ROAR thrown in there to backup that he is showing agression but it was not required to use the presence.

I never penalized you on the eye thing now  you did get penalized for asking the GM something that was already answered

A jabberwock is 35 feet tall and weighs 8,000 pounds.

His shoulders dont fit. That's 1/7 vs my human example of 1/5. A lesser version reduces hd by 3 and abilities by 4. It does not change size or anything else.


Okay, where are we on jabberwock location? Did it waste movement as it tried to squeeze through something it was not next to, or is it at the entrance and next round it can attempt to go through?


I didn't say you gave me a penalty. I said my tactics came with penalties. As in I had the blinded effect while doing so.

It says usually because some creatures with frightful presence can attack creatures without physical combat. Like using a spell, spell like ability or supernatural ability on opponents.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:51, Sun 15 Apr 2018.

In reply to Jayce the Tamer (msg # 163):

Hieght has no bearing on shoulders if that is what you are trying to get at.
The hieght being that, actually does the opposite beings it is a Huge (15X15X15) if we took hieght it to account then it definitely would be able to fit threw stretched to full length it is more than doubled over (or wrapped around itself) to fit in the area provided


As for the presence if it was intended to be more strict than the basic definition then it would specify that and it does not so just it standing there trying to look harmless can still be frieghtening if it wanted in a messed up way by rules

And possition is where it started at due to improper movements
This message was last edited by the player at 17:46, Sun 15 Apr 2018.

Jayce is up then?

S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey      +0 or +3
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation
A5 = Angel 5  +4 Elevation

Wall of Force 1 and 2

+5

Wall of Force 4 and 5

+5

Wall 4 (F1-F2): 260/260hp
Wall 5 (F4-F5): 260/260hp


Wall of Force 3

+3

+3


S = Jayce (Summoner) +2 Elevation
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation


Jayce casts a spell and touches an angel. Jayce falls and casts a spell quickly. Jayce lands promptly on the floor with nary an effort.


ROUND: 6 (31)
POSITION: B1+2 to B1
 ACTIONS: Hover(free),speak(free), cast spell(standard), fall(free), cast spell (swift)

 HP: 275/289 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 35; FFAC: 22; Touch: 21
CMD: 38; FFCMD: 32; FFTAC: 14
Fort: 30; Reflex: 30; Will: 31
Grand Destiny 3/4(If save targeted Add +4 if pass save)
Perception: 32; Spellcraft: 32

EFFECTS: - 1st Spell  6/68; 2nd Spell  6/34; Summon Monster 9 5/34; 3rd spell 5/48; Summon monster 9 5/34; Summon Monster 9 5/34; Summon Monster 9 5/34; 4th Spell 4/51; Summon monster 9 4/34; 5th spell 2/34; Immune to dragon's fear indefinite; 6th spell 1/17
   GEAR: - backpack, cloak, spell component pouch,  belt pouch, dagger, sling, Amulet, Belt, boots, shirt, ring, ring, headband, stone, scroll x2, scroll x1, scroll x1, diamond x4 (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  SLA 6/10; Spells 1st 4/7, 2nd 7/7, 3rd 6/7, 4th 6/6, 5th 2/4, 6th 2/2
            scroll 0/2; scroll 1/1; scroll 1/1; diamond 0/4




Angel 1: Position: B2+3, HP 162/162, [AC 32, FFAC 31, TAC 20, CMD 42, FFCMD 40, FFTAC 19, Fort 32, Refl 24, Will 31]
 Actions:  -  Open Eyes(free), Hover(free), Total Defense(standard)[+4 to AC,CMD, Saves]
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility; 6th spell 1/17; Panicked


DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 2: Position: B2+4, HP 162/162, [AC 32, FFAC 31, TAC 20, CMD 42, FFCMD 40, FFTAC 19, Fort 32, Refl 24, Will 31]
 Actions:  - Hover(free), Total Defense(standard)[+4 to AC,CMD, Saves]
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility; Wall of Force 1/13 F1-F2 +5; panicked
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster




Angel 3: Position: B1+4, HP 162/162, [AC 32, FFAC 31, TAC 20, CMD 42, FFCMD 40, FFTAC 19, Fort 36, Refl 28, Will 35]
 Actions:  - Hover(free), Total Defense(standard)[+4 to AC,CMD, Saves]
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility; Wall of Force 1/13; frightened
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 4: Position: A1+4, HP 162/162, [AC 32, FFAC 31, TAC 20, CMD 42, FFCMD 40, FFTAC 19, Fort 32, Refl 24, Will 31]
 Actions:  -Open Eyes(free), Hover(free), Total Defense(standard)[+4 to AC,CMD, Saves]
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility; frightened
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster

Angel 5: Position: A2+4, HP 162/162, [AC 32, FFAC 31, TAC 20, CMD 42, FFCMD 40, FFTAC 19, Fort 32, Refl 24, Will 31]
 Actions:  - Open Eyes(free), Hover(free), Total Defense(standard)[+4 to AC,CMD, Saves]
 Uses: -
 Effects: - DR 10/cold iron and evil; Immune electricity, petrification; Resist cold 10, fire 10; SR 25; Wall of Force 1/13; Incorporeal (Cannot be harmed by nonmagical attacks); Die Hard; See Invisibility; frightened
DC 23 The Planes to identify monster


Minion HD: 65/68


DICE ROLLS:


01:57, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 8,18,5,2,4,8 using 2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12 with rolls of 6,2,8,10,3,2,1,1,2,2,6,2.  damage vs E.

01:57, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 18,22,30,29,21,19 using D20+16,d20+16,d20+16,d20+16,d20+16,d20+16 with rolls of 2,6,14,13,5,3.  Light Ray attack 1-6.

01:44, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 28,33,33 using d20+24,d20+20,d20+20 with rolls of 4,13,13.  Angel 1,4,5 panicked to frightened.

01:28, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 26,39 using d20+20,d20+20 with rolls of 6,19.  Will save vs fear DC 31 panicked to frightened.

Summary : Jayce casts a spell and touches an angel. Jayce falls on purpose and casts feather fall quickly. Jayce is back in B1 safely. Angels 1,4,5 open eyes and shoot E. 45 damage. If however, they are still somehow affected even when their eyes were closed and do not have ESP to perceive the dragon's actions, they take total defense and attempt to move from panicked to frightened. Angel 2 and 3 eyes were indeed open and attempt to move from panicked to frightened.

If all are affected, Angel 1 and 2 failed and are panicked. Angel 3-5 are frightened.
If only angel 2 and 3 are affected Angel 3 is frightened and angel 2 is panicked. </Orange>


OOC: I'm just not going to debate this issue and start to move through it. Unless for some reason he doesn't roar etc. Angel 1 and 2 failed house rule to move from panicked to frightened. Others passed. All eyes open. -2 from frightened and panicked states applied in saves, as is +4. Angel 1 has spell effect boosting saves.

Josep facepalms and mutters:
  "Let's try this again..."

 Dodo cowers ever more.



S = Jayce (Summoner)
W = Josep (Wizard)
D = Dodo
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation
A5 = Angel 5  +4 Elevation

Wall of Force  2: 340/340hp

+5

Wall of Force 4 and 5

+5

Wall 4 (F1-F2): 260/260hp
Wall 5 (F4-F5): 260/260hp


Wall of Force 3: 340/340hp

+3

<tt>

ROUND: 6 (32)
POSITION: A1
 ACTIONS:
 - Prescience (free)
 - Cast Summon Monster IX (trumpet archon) from scroll (full-round)

 HP: 208/208 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 17; FFAC: 11; Touch: 17
CMD: 39; FFCMD: 34; FFTAC: 11
Fort: 27; Reflex: 27; Will: 30

EFFECTS: -Spell 2 Wall of Force 6/17; Spell 3 Wall of Force 5/17; Spell 4 Greater Heroism 5/160; Foretell; Arcane Sight 3/XX

   GEAR: - Ring, Rod, Boots, Cloak, Headband, Belt, Hat, Diamond x3, Ioun Stone, Talisman x3, Spellbook, Backpack, belt pouch, dagger, sling, component pouch (ACP - 0, Load - Light),
   USES: -  Spells 1st 0/X, 2nd 0/X, 3rd 0/X, 4th 0/X, 5th 3/X, 6th 1/X, 7th 2/X, scroll 2/2; diamond 2/3, Prescience 6/13; 1 HP; Foretell 4/XX


MINIONS:
Do the Dodo (familiar)
 HP: 56/56 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 20; FFAC: 18; Touch: 12
CMD: 30; FFCMD: 28; FFTAC: 11
Fort: 16; Reflex: 16; Will: 21
ACTIONS: Cower in Josep's robes

DICE ROLLS:
19:17, Today: Josep Gavinho rolled 14 using 1d20 with rolls of 14.  prescience.
Use Prescience Roll on Caster Level Check to cast from scroll

SUMMARY:
 Josep restarts his Summoning.
 Dodo cowers.

OOC: I've noticed everyone is using the normal duration of things. Are Arkrim's house rules of :
https://sites.google.com/site/...a/core-errata/spells
Duration
The arena is supposed to pit your entire power up in a single fight. Since most warriors and rogues are suited for this, but spellcasters have spells designed for days or even week-long adventures, there are some adjustments to spell durations.
 Old Duration Arena Duration
 1 round/level or less Unchanged
 1 minute/level 2 rounds/level
 10 minutes/level 3 rounds/level
 1 hour/level or more 4 rounds/level


not in effect? It had Duration(stay tuned) or something when this match started. As if it were not in effect yet but seems like it is in fact in effect now. I've been using these rules since I started playing in the arena again. You can tell I've been using them since my summons have 34 rounds max instead of 170.
This message was last edited by the player at 08:45, Tue 17 Apr 2018.

I’ve never used that. I thought it was optional and linked to “spellcombat” rules.
But then things change so maybe it is enforced now?

In reply to Jayce the Tamer (msg # 168):

For this match just continue as you have as Jayce said it was not active until after you started

This message was deleted by the player at 06:28, Wed 18 Apr 2018.

S = Jayce (Summoner) +2 Elevation
W = Josep (Wizard)
J = Joey
O = Johnny
E = Jenny
A1 = Angel 1  +3 Elevation
A2 = Angel 2  +4 Elevation
A3 = Angel 3  +4 Elevation
A4 = Angel 4  +4 Elevation
A5 = Angel 5  +4 Elevation

Wall of Force 2(A6-E6)

+5

Wall of Force 4(F1-F2) and 5(F4-F5)

+5

Wall 4 (F1-F2): 260/260hp
Wall 5 (F4-F5): 238/260hp


Wall of Force 3

+3

ROUND: 6  (Initiative: 27)
1. Johnny
 POSITION: A7:D10
 ACTIONS: Readied Action(Standard)


 HP: 414/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)

2. Jenny
 POSITION: G1:J4
 ACTIONS: Readied Action(Standard)


 HP: 341/414 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 33; FFAC: 26; Touch: 13
CMD: 57; FFCMD: 50; FFTAC: 06

EFFECTS: Aura (20ft)
   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


3. Joey
 POSITION: H5:J7
 ACTIONS: Move to F6:H8(Move), Vital Strike PA vs Wall5(Standard), Frightful Presence(Free)


 HP: 437/437 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 34; FFAC: 30; Touch: 08
CMD: 48; FFCMD: 45; FFTAC: 08

EFFECTS: DR15/???, Spell Resistance 31, Squeezing (-4 to attack rolls and AC)

   GEAR: Free gear (ACP 0, Light Load)


DICE ROLLS:

16:13, Today: Lyn rolled 40 using 1d20+21 with rolls of 19.  Frightful Presence.
16:13, Today: Lyn rolled 52 using 8d8+23 with rolls of 4,3,3,6,8,1,3,1.  Vital Strike Power Attack vs Wall5.



   SUMMARY: Johnny and Jenny ready actions, Jenny heals 10hp from Fast Healing.
Joey moves towards wall5 and attacks. Wall5 takes 22 damage after Hardness. All angels + Do are Panicked again for 23 turns. Josep has 20 turns remaining of frightened.


OOC: So, I was thinking about it. Since not every corner of Jenny is visible,
 she should have cover vs the angels, and +4 AC vs each attack. The rules for Large Creatures and cover only cover Melee attacks, and not ranged.

Sure you can have cover. I hit a minimum touch of 18 and with cover you have a maximum Touch AC of 17. You are hit still. The rules for ranged cover are quite clear actually.

03:25, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 17,13,16,14,20,8,17,13,12,8 using 2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12,2d12 with rolls of 10,7,8,5,4,12,12,2,10,10,1,7,7,10,7,6,2,10,5,3.  Light Ray damage vs E.

03:24, Today: Jayce the Tamer rolled 29,20,32,33,29,18,34,34,30,28 using D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16,D20+16 with rolls of 13,4,16,17,13,2,18,18,14,12.  10 light ray attacks vs E touch AC.


This was my roll for hitting you last time. All were hits vs 18 and this time, if Boa rules I was able to attack, hit vs 18. So all hits.

Boa, confirmation on my previous round. Did I get to attack or no? Lyn didn't subtract damage from what I could tell.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:46, Wed 18 Apr 2018.