Shipwright1912
 member, 37 posts
Tue 21 Mar 2017
at 09:22
Re: Sad day.

Well, I don't know if it's going to mean much, but well done, mate! It's quite an achievement to run a game that long!

As for me, well I'm a bit depressed myself. Can't name name any names, and I'm not wanting to throw any mud, but I got kicked out of my first Rpol game this week. To make a long story short, the other players didn't like how I was portraying my character, even though the GMs at one point did acknowledge that it was spot-on with the description. I wasn't legitimately trying or mean to piss everyone off, I just did.

In essence, I was trying to be too perfect and do too much in-character, and even the GM's got hacked off with me going off and doing my own thing even though it was a freeform game. The irony is there was a character in the same game which was practically the same sort of character as mine, very puffed up and superior acting, he was just there longer than I was, and nobody seemed to complain about him. The thing that really galls me though, is that I seemed to be taken the wrong way a lot, me staying in character and trying to be witty ended up being interpreted as "egotistical and pompous". Yeah, maybe so, but there are some pots calling the kettle black in THAT camp, if you ask me.

In a way, I guess it's for the best, the game had stopped being fun with practically every post I made being micro-managed and I was literally nervous to even come up with a post even though I liked the game and its premise overall, and I do realize that these clashes do happen and we don't all get along 100% of the time, but nonetheless I am a bit upset and bit hurt that it happened the way it happened. I'm not asking for forgiveness, I probably deserved what I got,but I would just like to say that I'm sorry, wherever you guys are, I didn't mean to get you angry with me, and I'm sorry it didn't work out in the end.

There, I've said my bit, carry on, good citizenry of Rpol, I hope things go better for you than they have with me.
icosahedron152
 member, 739 posts
Tue 21 Mar 2017
at 14:46
Re: Sad day.
Sounds to me like the GM was partially at fault there. A GM should vet character proposals to make sure they fit in with the overall group dynamic, and should also let you know if your interpretation of the character's reactions is a little over-zealous.

However, if he did, and you ignored him...

In general, assertive maverick loners make great story/movie heroes and lousy RPG characters. They probably should be banned outright. It might save a lot of hassle in the long term. Keep em for solo games. :)
AchillesIV
 member, 1 post
 Why such a small
 writing area?
Wed 22 Mar 2017
at 16:09
Why must it be so slow?
I've tried to get into PbP games for years now, YEARS, and the one thing that truly irritates me is why they have to be so mind-bogglingly slow. It's even warned about in many videos and 'getting started' sections of forums and PbP websites.

I've been a member of several different forums for years, and on occasion I can hang out somewhere on a Friday night and post all night with people. There will be hundreds of posts in the span of a few hours, yet this game format tells me that I have to wait 5 days for one person to post one thing along the lines of "I move up the road and hit the rat?"

WHY? It's not the format itself, not at all. Everyone should at least be able to post a few times a day, every day. People stare at screens all bloody day long, check their Facepunch every thirty seconds, tweet out what they had for lunch and that the birds sound nice and how they've just realized that Kanye West looks like a Cadbury egg, BUT THEY CAN'T LOG IN AND POST A FEW TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF ONE HOUR IN AN AWESOME ROLEPLAYING GAME??

The rage.
bigbadron
 moderator, 15310 posts
 He's big, he's bad,
 but mostly he's Ron.
Wed 22 Mar 2017
at 16:17
Why must it be so slow?
In reply to AchillesIV (msg # 799):

While SOME people can do all of that, not EVERYBODY can.

Most of us here have actual lives away from the site, and things like families and jobs take priority.

In my own case, for example, I'm lucky to have a couple of hours of free time in any given day, and I have other activities to pursue besides RPoL.
engine
 member, 274 posts
Wed 22 Mar 2017
at 16:33
Why must it be so slow?
In reply to AchillesIV (msg # 799):

The answer seems to be to get those people you post all night with into a game.
Raffles
 member, 855 posts
 Nothing cryptic
 just living.
Wed 22 Mar 2017
at 16:46
Re: Sad day.
bigbadron:
I have a game that I've been running here since September 2002.  And now it's finished.  The story is complete.  There is no more to be told.  After almost 15 years.

And the last PC to post in it was also the first.

I'm a bit depressed about it ending.  :(


But it was awesome, Ron!  :D
Mrrshann618
 member, 112 posts
Wed 22 Mar 2017
at 16:51
Re: Why must it be so slow?
AchillesIV:
WHY? It's not the format itself, not at all. Everyone should at least be able to post a few times a day, every day. People stare at screens all bloody day long, check their Facepunch every thirty seconds, tweet out what they had for lunch and that the birds sound nice and how they've just realized that Kanye West looks like a Cadbury egg, BUT THEY CAN'T LOG IN AND POST A FEW TIMES OVER THE COURSE OF ONE HOUR IN AN AWESOME ROLEPLAYING GAME??


Actually the format is the reason why I run my games here. AS BBR touched on other things take priority. Sadly your argument takes some assumptions into play. While I do have a phone that "can" post, it is extremely difficult as it is VERY old. That being said I do not post, or even text, on the thing unless I absolutely have to.

I also have an outdoor/construction style job. If I were to look at my phone for longer than a minuet, there is a good chance I'm fired. After a long 10+ hour day. I have two kids and all the chores that go with it. PbP is the ONLY way I can even RP anymore due to time constraints.

I think the best course of action is to simply only join games that fit your time schedule. Some weeks I'm able to post once a day. Other weeks I have a hard time even posting every third day. My players knew that when joining and I have a great group (You know who you are you awesome people!)
AchillesIV
 member, 2 posts
 Why such a small
 writing area?
Wed 22 Mar 2017
at 18:29
Re: Why must it be so slow?
Lol let me surprise you bigbadron, I'm married with 2 kids and pretty busy as well, but sometimes the reason I don't post everyday is that I just don't log in, not because I don't have access to a pc or am too busy. I sought out PbP for the same reasons: time constraints and a lack of local players/interest.

What I'm saying is that a lot of people (almost everyone I know, in fact) sit at a pc or some internet-capable device for at least 30 minutes nearly every single day. Not everyone, but most people. Mrrshann and his construction work are a very justified exception, but I do feel like that's an exception. A lot of people have similarly demanding jobs.

It's just weird that it sometimes feels like a chore to log in and have fun. Even for many people young and old with more free time, the posting rate is insanely low and I feel like it could be much higher. I don't understand why EVERY PbP game has to proceed so agonizingly slow where your character literally does one simple thing over the course of a week.

Maybe I just haven't found one at a faster pace, but I've dang well tried lol. It seems like there are hardly any.
engine
 member, 275 posts
Wed 22 Mar 2017
at 18:32
Re: Why must it be so slow?
In reply to AchillesIV (msg # 804):

I've wondered the same thing, actually, and I've looked for ways to increase posting rates. I can't claim much success yet.

If you'd like to talk shop, please feel free to PM me.
AchillesIV
 member, 3 posts
 Why such a small
 writing area?
Wed 22 Mar 2017
at 19:29
Re: Why must it be so slow?
In reply to engine (msg # 805):

Cool I think I will. I like PbP because it does have that flexibility and allows for a lot of different game pacing, but sometimes I'd like if it even had an integrated chat function for groups that can get together and knock out an hour or two of rapid-session playing (in the same game as their PbP.)

I know the site's busy enough as it is, so that's kind of a pipe dream. Seems like you either have PbP forum gameplay at a snails pace or Roll20-style voice chat sessions for hours and hours at once.
willvr
 member, 1032 posts
Wed 22 Mar 2017
at 23:12
Re: Why must it be so slow?
For back-and-forth posting, a chat-based game is better than PbP. PbP's advantage is to only need to check once or maybe twice a day. Not to sit there constantly hitting refresh; just in case something needs responding to.
AchillesIV
 member, 5 posts
 Why such a small
 writing area?
Thu 23 Mar 2017
at 01:40
Re: Why must it be so slow?
In reply to willvr (msg # 807):

Guilty lol. When I do have free time, I'm an obsessive F5'er, even though I know the point of PbP is for people to post at their own pace.

It's bit me in the ass before though because I've taken a more relaxed approach to posting then forgot to log in and missed like a week.
Brianna
 member, 2115 posts
Thu 23 Mar 2017
at 07:47
Re: Why must it be so slow?
I'm a moderator at another site where each game has its own chat room.  There have been a few GMs who have tried to run a chat based game, but they invariably fail, or revert to play by post.  The idea seems to appeal but the reality has all the disadvantages of FTF, like trying to get a group together at one time, only now some may be in (very) different time zones, without the added incentives such as getting to see friends - and the GM knowing where you live if he really wants to find you!
willvr
 member, 1033 posts
Thu 23 Mar 2017
at 08:16
Re: Why must it be so slow?
In reply to Brianna (msg # 809):

I do play on a game on another site where they mix up the chat and PbP. We usually do PbP usually aiming for a post about 2-3 days. About once a month we do a chat-game; but it's mainly because we're playing a huge epic-quest module. It's been working okay - but that's because at heart, it's a PbP game; but with an occasional, scheduled, chat-game. I wouldn't be able to do it the other way around.
icosahedron152
 member, 741 posts
Thu 23 Mar 2017
at 13:56
Re: Why must it be so slow?
Unfortunately, after an initial burst of energy when they're brand new, games tend to settle down to the posting rate of the slowest player in the group.

Even if the GM sits there wielding a big stick and making threats every day, there's a limit to what s/he can do, apart from sacking slowcoaches - and unless you're lucky enough to be gaming in a genre that has a surfeit of players, you really don't want to be doing that - otherwise your game will not only slow down, it'll come to a full stop.

If there are six people in a game, and each of them has a RL problem once every six weeks, chances are that somebody will have a RL problem every week, and your game will have a hiatus every week.

Just eliminate Real Life, then we can game all day every day. :)
OceanLake
 member, 995 posts
Thu 23 Mar 2017
at 19:15
Re: Why must it be so slow?
Then the others slow down for the slowest, and the slowest gets even slower so h/he can be the 'winning" slowest. Possible cure: Rule that, if a player doesn't post within X days, said player is NPCed. If player continues to be slow, seek a replacement. I believe RPOL has many more players than GMs.
horus
 member, 106 posts
 Wayfarer of the
 Western Wastes
Thu 23 Mar 2017
at 22:30
Re: Why must it be so slow?
icosahedron152:
Just eliminate Real Life, then we can game all day every day. :)


Hear, hear!  Reality is for people who can't handle a high posting rate! :P
icosahedron152
 member, 742 posts
Fri 24 Mar 2017
at 06:39
Re: Why must it be so slow?
quote:
If player continues to be slow, seek a replacement. I believe RPOL has many more players than GMs.

As I said above, OceanLake, it depends on your genre. If you're playing dungeoneers, vampires, god wars or sex, sure, you get so many applicants you don't even bother to reply to the RTJs.

But if you're playing a game of intrigue in the court of Henry VIII, you'll be lucky if you can find five players in the whole of Rpol. If one of those five is slow, your choice is to play slow, or to play with four. If two of them are slow, you're scuppered.
willvr
 member, 1034 posts
Fri 24 Mar 2017
at 06:43
Re: Why must it be so slow?
Just as much as genre, it can even depend on system. Getting replacements for older editions for DnD; whilst still not as difficult as some, is not nearly as easy as it is to get replacements for Pathfinder or fifth edition.

Having said that, it's in no way a five players in all of RPoL issue; but it is enough that I'm wary of booting someone for being slow. I'm also quite lenient if someone comes in saying 'well, I'll be slow, because I'm studying part-time, and can only get on with any regularity on the weekends'. What irks me is more the person who suddenly slows down with no explanation as to why. Or the person who logs in but doesn't post at least OOC 'sorry; I've had RL kick me in the ass at the moment'.
Shannara
 moderator, 3719 posts
 Keep calm, drink more
 COFFEE!!!!
Fri 24 Mar 2017
at 17:39
Re: Why must it be so slow?
GMs, just remember that sometimes while you're worried about losing 1 player who's not posting, you may be losing 2 more that get tired of waiting if they're not part of the 'how long do we wait' decision making process.  :-)
ShadoPrism
 member, 1072 posts
 OCGD-Obsessive-Compulsive
 Gamer-Disorder
Fri 24 Mar 2017
at 20:17
Re: Why must it be so slow?
I have a set 10 day wait period with a note that it can be extended Only if you tell me your going to be gone for X amount of time. Saves worry and baldness from the hair being pulled out.
ShadoPrism
 member, 1074 posts
 OCGD-Obsessive-Compulsive
 Gamer-Disorder
Mon 3 Apr 2017
at 19:52
Re: Why must it be so slow?
Found an annoying little problem - concerning SSI - all kinds of information on how to get On it, but unless you get a job - Nothing on how to get Off it (with out going over the set limits on it and having to pay the Government X amount of money, usually the last months pay.)
ShadoPrism
 member, 1075 posts
 OCGD-Obsessive-Compulsive
 Gamer-Disorder
Thu 6 Apr 2017
at 00:22
Re: Why must it be so slow?
Oh yeah, life is bad - Just been told I have a little under 3 weeks to Sell my old car before I can get a New car because my step dad is scared that SSI will punish me (take money from me) if I still have the old car when I get the new one (never mind the old car is worth around $600 and it would not push me over my limit on how much equity I am allowed to have.)
In essence I have to live with out any form of transportation for an unknown amount of time (as we have to go to Fla to get the new car). That is of course if I can Sell the car in the 3 week window I now have. From my experience it's not that easy to sell a car, especially an older make and model.
GammaBear
 member, 755 posts
 Gaymer
Thu 6 Apr 2017
at 21:08
Re: Why must it be so slow?
WHO PUTS A CAST IRON SKILLET IN THE DISH WASHER!?!?

*screams*
ShadoPrism
 member, 1076 posts
 OCGD-Obsessive-Compulsive
 Gamer-Disorder
Fri 7 Apr 2017
at 00:33
Re: Why must it be so slow?
In reply to GammaBear (msg # 820):

People who don't know any better - I did it Once cause no one bothered to tell me why I should not. I also used soap to clean said skillets a few times cause all anyone told me was 'don't do that' but not Why. Once I knew Why I should not do either thing, I have not done them since.

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