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horus
member, 201 posts
Wayfarer of the
Western Wastes
Sun 30 Jul 2017
at 14:46
  • msg #937

Pet Woes

Definitely get the ultrasound done.  If there is an obstruction, it will sooner or later give rise to an adhesion and then an infection.  If that happens, corrective actions will become much more complicated.

We just went through something very similar with our little calico female not too long ago, and were very lucky she pulled through.

I hate saying this because most cat owners are swift enough on the uptake, but your vet needs to be a small animal specialist.  Don't take your cat to a horse doctor, unless that horse doctor also treats small animals.

I'll speak to Bastet for you.  She owes me a favor.
GammaBear
member, 791 posts
Gaymer
Sun 30 Jul 2017
at 14:57
  • msg #938

Pet Woes

In reply to Isida KepTukari (msg # 934):

I'm worried about my cat as well. He's getting on up in years and it's starting to show. I don't know exactly how old he is since I rescued him from being an outside cat, but when the vet first looked at him, he guessed between 4-8, that was six years ago. He's starting to get lean in the haunches, and you can feel his spine, hips and legs through the skin. I've had him on weight then hairball control food for a while, and recently I've switched back to regular food to see if that will hopefully fatten him back up a bit.

I don't think anything is wrong, but he is getting old and I worry about his quality of life.
Isida KepTukari
member, 152 posts
Elegant! Arrogant! Smart!
Sun 30 Jul 2017
at 15:01
  • msg #939

Re: Pet Woes

horus:
I hate saying this because most cat owners are swift enough on the uptake, but your vet needs to be a small animal specialist.  Don't take your cat to a horse doctor, unless that horse doctor also treats small animals.


Oh yes, yes, he's going to a clinic that tends to cats and dogs all the time. Very nice people, very active practice.  I'm dropping Timmy off first thing Monday when they open.  And we have pet insurance, should a surgery be necessary (so very glad we kept that up).

*hugs*
KaiWriter
member, 45 posts
Sun 30 Jul 2017
at 17:49
  • msg #940

WTH?

In reply to SunRuanEr (msg # 933):

Done and done.  Everything I have is locked away in a number of different places, and I feel better.  I wish the games would go on, but life and the universe always change.  I should count myself lucky they were there to save at all.  Thanks for the ideas!
pitademon
member, 836 posts
hi all
Sun 30 Jul 2017
at 19:02
  • msg #941

Pet Woes

In reply to GammaBear (msg # 938):

I know the feeling.  my furbaby just turned 19 a month ago.  that is like a 100+ year old man.  here is a few recommendations I use....
1) he gets vet check 2 times a year, minimum.  one is a senior wellness trip.  Other for shots and if needed for other shots and incidentals like teeth cleaning.  Have them check mental status at one of them as well.  Feline dementia is possible.
2) check for diabetes is a must.  watch appetite and water intake as well as tinkling and poo.
3) worry if he tends to hide, or just places head against wall.
4) getting old sucks whether human or animal.  offer a soft dark area that is warm for them to rest, especially in winter.  let him have a sunning sill as well.
5) try sprinkling kitty approved arthritis meds on his food, mix well...you know they can spit it out, lol.  Also try serving wet foods with organ meats like liver.
6) be patient and kind.  there will be accidents.  sometimes like older humans or young ones too...they just cannot make the bathroom on time.
7) love them as a family member right to the end.  If you cannot do that...then you should never have a pet or a baby.  sorry to those who think this harsh, but if you cannot commit to either whole heartedly, then don't commit at all.  Seen those that tried on both, not pretty and everyone just ends up damaged.
Tyr Hawk
member, 299 posts
You know that one guy?
Yeah, that's me.
Sun 30 Jul 2017
at 19:03
  • msg #942

Or Horses and Hand Grenades

Too Long, Not Gonna Read Version: So, I just spent the last 20 minutes of my life trying to convince people that you can teach a horse to do things and then make them do those things quickly. They still do not believe me despite having trained horses for several years of my life, and being friends with a professional horse trainer and rider.


The Long, But Still Gonna Read Version
Once upon a time someone submitted a houserule to the internet for a Mounted Combat Module that would allow you to use your Ride skill to help your mount defend itself in combat. I will save the specifics (setting, system, specific conditions, etc.) somewhere else for the moment, because they aren't important. What's important was the following argument.

Them: How could a rider make a horse do something the rider can't do?
Me: How riders make horses do everything...

Before we get into the meat of this, some background.

I grew up on a ranch. Technically, it wasn't even a ranch. It was a large patch of land my family happened to own where we kept our horses, and our cows, and our dogs, and our cats, and my younger brother. We had a corral and saddles and reins and salt licks and not one or two, but four horses of varying ages and breeds we would ride. I lived in an area surrounded by ranchers, farmers, and everything inbetween. Rodeos are a staple passtime of the state I live in, and across the way I befriended a dressage rider/trainer/breeder who lives in another state. One might say that I'm acquainted with equines.

One might say.

As you might imagine, this conversation started off innocently enough. We were arguing about the mechanics of the system and how it wasn't fair that an unchecked skill like Ride could be used instead of the more-limited defenses, but then it got down to the brass tax of things. Someone made the claim that you couldn't possibly direct a horse to defend itself better than you could defend yourself.

Now, I'm not entirely unreasonable person. I like to think that reason and logic will win out if you present the evidence and the other people can understand the language and words you're using. On the internet this is less-than-assured, but I've talked to these folks before and they've always seemed pretty reasonable. So, you know, I figured I'd be safe if I explained to them a few things.

I was wrong.

So I started off with a comparison. A soldier can be directed in how to win a battle that he couldn't have won by himself. Likewise, a strategist can see the larger battlefield and give commands to a soldier that she herself couldn't complete. One can physically do something that only the other can mentally understand even when the other is physically incapable of doing so. Not the greatest analogy in the world, but I figured they would understand.

They did not.

They said that it didn't compare because grand strategies aren't concocted in less than three seconds (the length of a round), and that the soldier's abilities weren't being taken into consideration.

Anyways, as you can imagine this took many, many turns in many many directions, with no less than three different people arguing that riders couldn't possibly have that much influence over a mount, while I alone (the only one with actual horse training and riding experience) argued they could. So I'm not going through every single point, but I'd like to present their side, with brief rebuttals in italics.

-Combat is too hectic.
So is horse racing...

-Races aren't combat scenarios where decisions made in under three seconds might affect the outcome.
Have you ever been in a race? And jockeys have to make those decisions if a horse falls in front of them or they feel the horse sliding.

-Third parties are involved in combat.
Third parties are half of what you have to deal with in horse training. Dogs, cats, snakes, vicious dogs, other people...

-The other racers aren't trying to kill you.
Fair, but Fight or Flight isn't somehow limited to intention to kill.

-You (as in me, the person) haven't ridden a real horse in this system's combat system. Therefore, your experience doesn't count.
I've done everything except for swing the sword at the horse, and somehow that doesn't count?

-If the horses can already dodge, why does the rider's skill matter?
Because horses can't see/think as well as we can? They might miss something in combat? Their natural reaction isn't necessarily what you've trained them to do.

-You can do this with any mount.
That's why there are conditional modifiers. So you can make penalties or bonuses based on things like terrain, and how trained the mount is, and size, and all of that.

-Even an untrained mount.
Was no one listening when I mentioned conditional modifiers?

-In mecha anime (I know) a trained pilot can make a crappy mobile suit dance, but a bad pilot can't make a good suit do the same thing.
Duh? Skill of the rider matters. Of course the guy with 200 Ride does better than the guy with 40 Ride. And, again, the crappy mech would be a CONDITIONAL MODIFIER so you could penalize one/give bonuses to the other if you want.

-But you're still not taking into account the skill of the animal.
Because the animal's skill is a conditional modifier. Seriously. Conditional modifiers exist.

-If you need a bunch of conditional modifiers to make it work, then that's just proof it's dumb and won't work.
No. It's proof that THE SUBJECT IS COMPLICATED. You might as well say that Medicine is dumb and doesn't work because it requires things like bandages and scalpels to work right.

-But Dodging requires you know how to dodge the incoming blow.
Yeah. And you can know that without being physically capable. You can ride a horse while wheelchair bound, but that doesn't mean you can dodge it yourself.

-Combat dodging is more complicated than that. That's a penalty to your skill. It shouldn't affect how well the horse can dodge.
But the horse can physically do something you can't! And you know how to direct it!

-You can't direct a horse that fast.
Yes you can. I've done it.

-No, you can't.
You can do it with a car. Or with video games. Little movements, sounds, something small enough to do in the span of a fraction of a second, you can train a horse to respond to it and do what you;'ve trained it to do.

-The rules don't say you need a trained mount.
THE RULES DON'T GO OVER EVERY LITTLE TINY SCENARIO. THEY NEVER DO. IT'S ALSO A HOMEBREW SO WHAT THE HECK ARE YOU EXPECTING?!

-And horses wouldn't respond like a video game. You can't make them respond to an unknown situation that fast.
You certainly can. It happens all the time.

-And besides, trained soldiers aren't just random dogs.
Of course. But that just means the SOLDIERS can react better. Have better tactics. Have a higher attack score. It doesn't mean a rider can't do it, just that it's harder for them to do so. You might even call it a CONDITIONAL MODIFIER.

-So you're saying I could just command a soldier and they'd use my attack ability?

And... there were a few more points, but I think I've made mine. A few folks who've never ridden horses before, and only one of them whose ever trained an animal before. Admittedly, because I am not faultless, there were moments I could've handled the situation a little better. I did get emotional, and I did insult their intelligence close to the 17 minute mark (because, you know, I'm not perfect). But the fact remains that after 20 minutes of talking about something they only theoretically know about in an abstract way with someone who has actually been there and done that, they still don't believe that a rider can have an effect on a horse's actions enough to make a difference.

And I just wanna bash my skull against a wall until the wall starts bleeding, because now two of them have decided it's better to just ignore me, and the other has dropped it. Supposedly. But none of them seem to understand that you can train something to do something and then signal it to do that thing.

Just... fugging... fruiting... fricking... FFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU-
aguy777
member, 211 posts
Join Date:
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Sun 30 Jul 2017
at 19:12
  • msg #943

Or Horses and Hand Grenades

In reply to Tyr Hawk (msg # 942):

I laughed at this, and learned something new about horses at the same time.

Dunno why people wouldn't listen to someone who's been around horses all their life, let alone not understand your logical points.
mickey65
member, 92 posts
Long-time PbP player
Love several systems
Sun 30 Jul 2017
at 19:43
  • msg #944

Or Horses and Hand Grenades

Not so much a rant as a derisive chuckle at what passes for "ethics" in this twenty-first century of pervasive evasiveness.

Some players in two of my games disappeared without a word. Once I couldn't have other players wait any longer for them to return, I kicked them and tidied up so the games could continue. Well, no sooner had I kicked them than they sent me rMails saying: "Thanks for kicking me. I wanted to leave but didn't want to tell you that."

(There were signs of the advent of this prevalent mentality back when I was in high school in the early 1980s. A classmate said this to me about one of his friends: "If it were even thinkable for him to miss curfew, then missing curfew would make it better for him not to come home at all." I was amazed by that but today it would be absolutely typical.)
OceanLake
member, 1007 posts
Sun 30 Jul 2017
at 20:24
  • msg #945

Or Horses and Hand Grenades

Wikipedia Horses in Warfare:

Whether horses were trained to pull chariots, to be ridden as light or heavy cavalry, or to carry the armoured knight, much training was required to overcome the horse's natural instinct to flee from noise, the smell of blood, and the confusion of combat. They also learned to accept any sudden or unusual movements of humans while using a weapon or avoiding one.[44] Horses used in close combat may have been taught, or at least permitted, to kick, strike, and even bite, thus becoming weapons themselves for the warriors they carried.[45] Gravett, Tudor Knight, pp. 29–30.
pitademon
member, 837 posts
hi all
Sun 30 Jul 2017
at 22:47
  • msg #946

No More Nice Neighbor

Okay this is about my neighbors.  I live in a condo bottom floor.  Lived here 20+ years.  Had upstairs neighbors come and go.  Some a little annoying some rather terrific.  Beginning of last month had new neighbors move in.  since then my truck (which is parked next to theirs in assignments) has been dented.  They've parked so far over the line I could not even pull into my spot.  They have been told house rules including no tossing things off their porch (like garbage etc.).  Well they continue to toss and have broken and killed 2 of my plants that are on my deck.  The 'husband' (not sure if they are married, but they have kids who call him dad) for got his keys and climbed onto my deck and used the gutter drain pipe to climb on to his deck, breaking the downspout and had it crash onto my deck (how it missed my patio table and chairs I have no idea) at 3 in the fruit picking AM.  Their oldest boy who is about 6 thinks its fun to throw gravel size pebbles hard at my cat when he sits on my porch (my cat is 19 and has dementia) or at my window if he sees my cat there.  I have informed them that if he does not stop I will throw such back at him with the same force.  I'll take the police call and counter with DFYS and remind them that animal abuse is usually the first sign of worse to come and that perhaps being removed from his home would be best.  For that he has stopped.  I have contacted the owner and informed him that fines will be levied against him for his renters for damages to the building and my unit specifically.  I also informed him he will be sent a bill for 700 dollars for the full costs of my plants they damaged, also that if they do not park correctly they will be towed.  I am on our condos board.  No more taking crap.  tried being nice, nice is now gone.  The 'B' in this unit is gonna remind them why they need to play well with others.
Kessa
member, 529 posts
Dark Army:
Out to Lunch
Sun 30 Jul 2017
at 22:55
  • msg #947

Or Horses and Hand Grenades

In reply to Tyr Hawk (msg # 942):

I sort of feel like all this could have just been avoided by a GM saying, "You know, I understand your points, but I don't want to make it that complicated," instead of letting players argue for 20 minutes. Or, maybe, just agreeing that a horse can have extra armor that represents it's ability to protect itself, or an extra point toward a mounted person's damage representing the animal doing something if it's reasonable it has been trained that way. But... I suppose those would count as modifiers, which are verboten. :)
Fyrerain
member, 75 posts
Sun 30 Jul 2017
at 23:54
  • msg #948

Or Horses and Hand Grenades

In reply to Tyr Hawk (msg # 942):

Speaking as a professional horse trainer (from birth to saddle to gymkhana, trail, hunter, dressage, cattle work, endurance, parades, mounted shooting, occasional tricks, and even some driving), a judge, and a riding instructor -- you're quite right.

It sometimes amazes me what people nowdays think can't be done with horses, completely forgetting that horses, flight animals or not, were going into battle even before they were big enough to be ridden into war -- and were still going into battle as late as the Afgan war.

And a rider is certainly capable of effecting a sudden, intentional change of motion or direction (like a dodge) from a horse, that the horse itself might not think to do. Now, how adroitly said horse responds may vary, as some horses, like people, are more naturally athletic than others, but it's definitely doable!
Fyrerain
member, 76 posts
Mon 31 Jul 2017
at 00:05
  • msg #949

Pet Woes

In reply to Isida KepTukari (msg # 934):

Good luck with your cat. Have they checked that there's nothing in his throat inhibiting his ability to swallow?


In reply to GammaBear (msg # 938):

I second the diabetes check. My friend's cat started losing a lot of weight quickly, back in December, because he'd become diabetic. He's doing well, now, with insulin injections twice a day, and has pretty much regained his full weight. Hyperthyroidism is another disease that can seem to onset suddenly, with drastic weight loss.
This message was last edited by the user at 00:06, Mon 31 July 2017.
Tyr Hawk
member, 300 posts
You know that one guy?
Yeah, that's me.
Mon 31 Jul 2017
at 01:43
  • msg #950

Re: Or Horses and Hand Grenades

Kessa:
I sort of feel like all this could have just been avoided by a GM saying, "You know, I understand your points, but I don't want to make it that complicated," instead of letting players argue for 20 minutes.

It wasn't really a game. Just a discussion between a bunch of folks who all like the same gaming system. So no GM to just say one way or another, just a community discussion. Kind of like a discussion here might go.

As to the other stuff, it's all a whole other thing which I won't get into. But I do want to say thank you for those who responded to my post. I'm glad to know there are people who are as reasonable as I thought those people were. Which is a fun sentence to say.
Isida KepTukari
member, 153 posts
Elegant! Arrogant! Smart!
Mon 31 Jul 2017
at 16:34
  • msg #951

Re: Pet Woes

Fyrerain:
In reply to Isida KepTukari (msg # 934):

Good luck with your cat. Have they checked that there's nothing in his throat inhibiting his ability to swallow?


In reply to GammaBear (msg # 938):

I second the diabetes check. My friend's cat started losing a lot of weight quickly, back in December, because he'd become diabetic. He's doing well, now, with insulin injections twice a day, and has pretty much regained his full weight. Hyperthyroidism is another disease that can seem to onset suddenly, with drastic weight loss.


He was still drinking, and even managed a couple mouthfuls of food over the weekend, though not nearly his normal intake.

He had a senior blood panel done last month that came back clean, so no worries there.

We're hoping he just ate something he shouldn't...
horus
member, 203 posts
Wayfarer of the
Western Wastes
Mon 31 Jul 2017
at 17:20
  • msg #952

Or Horses and Hand Grenades

In reply to Tyr Hawk (msg # 942):

Your rant here should be canonized as a classic!  That was hoot to read!

If it makes you feel any better there's a mantra you can use when you feel a similar situation coming on:

"There's nothing worse than a rules lawyer with an agenda.  Such a one will argue until Perdition is smaller than a pinpoint to gain some perceived advantage for himself or deny it to you."

Here's another one:

"A harsh word and a temper are no match for a claw hammer and a smile."
ShadoPrism
member, 1113 posts
OCGD-Obsessive-Compulsive
Gamer-Disorder
Mon 31 Jul 2017
at 18:57
  • msg #953

Or Horses and Hand Grenades

In reply to horus (msg # 952):
 
quote:
"A harsh word and a temper are no match for a claw hammer and a smile."

MUWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
phoenix9lives
member, 931 posts
GENE POLICE!  YOU!
GET OUTTA THE POOL!
Mon 31 Jul 2017
at 20:03
  • msg #954

Or Horses and Hand Grenades

Second attempt to scam me and my wife after putting putting an air conditioning unit for sale on Craig's List.  Same MO as an attempt yesterday that I reported to the FBI, except one major difference.  This guy claimed to be military....

Air conditioner trane - $2000 (La grange) (04:53, 31 July 2017)

Hello,is it still available

Me:  Yes.  (07:55)

i want to know the condition, are you the first or second owner? and how long have you had it?  (12:33)

Me:  Second.  About five years in storage.  (12:50)

I just wanna be sure of what I would be buying what's your reason for selling it and am a military officer currently base in Offutt Air Force Base Bellevue, Nebraska, i have to pay you through paypal cause due to the nature of my job. please. (13:07)

Me:  Surplus.  Fatherinlaw picked it up from a renovation.  Good shape, but people wanted newer model.  Left in storage at our house, no need of it.  Need the money instead.  (13:10)

Can I make the payment now. (13:20)

Me:  How would payment be made?  How would the unit get to you?  (13:25)

I have a mover that will come and pick it up as soon as the payment is made and cleared. (13:27)

Me:  And the payment.  (13:34)

I will make the payment through PayPal account to your PayPal account.  (13:37)
All you have to do is for you to send me the email address to your PayPal account

Me:  (sent it at 13:42)

Good. (13:44)
Send me your full name so that the payment can be made

Me:  (Gave first and last name, because my credit won't get me a credit card anyway, at 13:46)

I will get back to you as soon as the payment is been made. (13:46)

Me:  Okay.  (13:47)

e dont forget to check your junk or spam email folder in your email if notification does not show up in your inbox thanks.  (15:02)
I had a slight problem with the pickup arrangement agent,I have to pay for the pickup before they can schedule the pick up time and date,i have to pay $657 for the pick up and $50 for the Money Gram, I  added the $727 to your payment,I need you to help me send the money to my pick up company, due to the nature of my job as a military officer as am been camped. (15:05)

Me:  Western union?  So, I have to send money to someone in order for the payment to me to clear?  (15:08)

Yes. (15:08)

(Typed as a response, but not sent:

Somebody else tried this scam on me yesterday.  I reported them to the FBI.  Claiming military status while trying to scam me deeply and personally offends me.  I AM a veteran.  I won't contact the FBI this time.  No.  I am calling in favors.  Other veterans who will be just as offended, and still work for our Uncle Sam.  I recommend you run.  We will find you.  Whatever is left of you will then be turned over to the FBI.  And, unlike the TV crime shows, it is possible to trace a burner phone.  By the way... Don't try stealing my identity, either.  My credit won't allow me to get a credit card even though it doesn't suck.)
Tyr Hawk
member, 302 posts
You know that one guy?
Yeah, that's me.
Tue 1 Aug 2017
at 07:14
  • msg #955

Or Horses and Hand Grenades

In reply to phoenix9lives (msg # 954):

Just as a minor note, Craigslist has several warnings about people like this, and does tell you to report them as you did. I remember the only time I ever put something up on Craigslist I got something like five of these guys. The warning signs are pretty obvious once you've seen one or two, and I guess we're both at that point now.
Isida KepTukari
member, 155 posts
Elegant! Arrogant! Smart!
Wed 2 Aug 2017
at 01:23
  • msg #956

Well, now what?

After my cat turned out to be all right (updates on the Good Stuff thread), I thought things were going pretty well.  Then it turns out that my two best friends I have in town are going to be moving as soon as the wife (an engineer and the primary breadwinner) can find employment in their desired area.  This might be next week, or next year, but it is happening.  The husband's younger brother's children have health issues, and of the husband's very extensive family, only he and his family are in any position to move.  I always knew they wanted to move back out west (where the husband is from and where they both went to college) at some point, but this is still sad news.

I've known them for over 12 years, and they're the only really good friends I have in town.  They're also my face-to-face gaming group, and I don't have another.  Another woman in our group moved out of town two years ago, and with this couple gone, it's just my dad and my husband (and my husband only wants to play a very limited selection of my very extensive collection of RPGs).

I'm more of an introvert, and while I have several friendly acquaintances, I don't have any other close friends.  Certainly not any other gaming friends.  So now I must plunge back into the social waters to widen my circle, because while we're going to keep being friends, we're going to lose that continuous social connection of being in the same town, having conversations and sharing movies and TV shows, of gaming together face-to-face.  And that just makes me really sad.
mickey65
member, 94 posts
Long-time PbP player
Love several systems
Wed 2 Aug 2017
at 16:15
  • msg #957

Well, now what?

Statistics Canada has released some results from the 2016 national census, and the numbers are worth two vents.

1) Adults living alone is now the single largest demographic in Canada, at about 38%. This now exceeds adults living as couples or other family groups, whether with or without minor children; that demograhpic is around 33%. We are very polite and pleasant with each other around here, but we also wrap ourselves in plastic bubbles and avoid meaningful connections with each other.

Also, adults aged 18 to 34 now have a higher than ever rate of living with their parents, whether since birth or after having moved out and returned. In my city, the percentage of adults aged 18 to 34 living with their parents is around 40%. This can be attributed to the VERY high cost of housing in this city, as well as the fact that permanent, full-time jobs for new workforce entrants have mostly disappeaared and pretty much the only work available when entering the workforce is part-time. Young folk simply don't have the income to live on their own.
Merevel
member, 1197 posts
The Unlucky Gamer
Wed 2 Aug 2017
at 19:18
  • msg #958

Well, now what?

Interesting, I figured that was mainly a trend the US took.
phoenix9lives
member, 932 posts
GENE POLICE!  YOU!
GET OUTTA THE POOL!
Wed 2 Aug 2017
at 19:27
  • msg #959

Well, now what?

It's cheaper for the corporations to hire part-timers.
mickey65
member, 95 posts
Long-time PbP player
Love several systems
Wed 2 Aug 2017
at 20:52
  • msg #960

Well, now what?

In reply to phoenix9lives (msg # 959):

It's not just the lower wages of part-timers, it's Canada's labor laws. We don't have at-will employment, although we do have contract employment that can work similarly to at-will with some protection for the contractor not available in parts of the US. But permanent full-timers are entitled to sick days, maternity/paternity leave, a minimum number of vacation weeks, some modicum of health and pension security, etc. Employers tend not to distinguish between those costs and wage expenses. But what really killed off the permanent, full-time job here is the difference in the minimum wages for full-timers and part-timers. Soon the minimum wage in our province is going up to CAD $15 per hour (about USD $12 per hour) and there is worry that the private sector will retaliate by making the labor market for minimum-wage workers even worse.

All that said, the official unemployment rate in Canada is fairly low. I thin it was around 5 to 7% last I heard. But that includes only the official unemployed who are collecting Employment Insurance benefits or registered as looking for jobs while not receiving some form of social assistance. I'm not sure what the figure is for all Canadians who are able to work but don't have jobs.
aguy777
member, 213 posts
Join Date:
Fri, 29 Nov, 2013
Wed 2 Aug 2017
at 23:24
  • msg #961

Well, now what?

In reply to mickey65 (msg # 960):

That seems to be an issue restricted to Eastern Canada. Out here in BC; full-time jobs are still somewhat plentiful. Our minimum wage is only $11.35 as of this September, so we do have a lot of young adults still living with their families.
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