V_V
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Thu 23 Nov 2017
at 07:55
D&D 3.5 Where is "How Sorcerer's describe casting"?
There is a side bar in complete mage (on pg. 34) that talks about how wizards describe preparing a spell. There IS a version that is the bias reverse, "How Sorcerer's..." something...basically how it's like poetry, you have the passion or you don/t

PLEASE someone(s) help me find where this passage is. I scoured Complete Mage, so I'll kick myself if it's there. It makes sense it should be...be warned though, it may be in another book. I'm in F2F game right now, and there's a vital moment of a RL 10-15 minutes window it could play a part in game, with me scholarly Mage trying to help another player's cohort decide if they should study magic, or if they may be sorcerer.

I'd like it asa an in-game prop, but even if I can't in time, PLEASE I'd like to know where this expert is. The one in CM on pg. 34 I know about....it's the other one I want.

Thanks a billion...brownie points. :)
V_V
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Thu 23 Nov 2017
at 08:18
D&D 3.5 Where is "How Sorcerer's describe casting"?
Okay, it's not a  sidebar, it's a quote, by Mialee in sky blue color that's background (I actually missed it before). I strill need the sorcerer version though. I don't think it's sidebar looking at the quote (for wizard) now.
Ameena
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Thu 23 Nov 2017
at 14:48
D&D 3.5 Where is "How Sorcerer's describe casting"?
A quick Google suggests something along those lines is mentioned in the 3rd Edition PHB on page 51. Quote - "The 3E PHB says on p51: Sorcerers create magic the way a poet creates poems, with inborn talent honed by practice. They have no books, no mentors, no theories -- just raw power that they direct at will. In religious studies, "charisma" sometimes refers to the inner personal power in an individual,... "

Dunno about DnD 3.5 but that seems close enough to what you were after?
V_V
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Thu 23 Nov 2017
at 15:33
D&D 3.5 Where is "How Sorcerer's describe casting"?
Edit (Complete rewrite so as not to flood it)

I think I found it. It is good, but not what I remembered. I think I was expecting it to more overtly mention poetry, when in actuality it is itself a poem (of sorts). It's on pg. 155 (of complete Mage), but in the process of reading other quotes, I find the book has even more gems. So it was sweet serendipity to be on the search, I found a lot of gems on the search for the jewel.

Anyway, it's got to be in the Complete Mage. I think I found it, but since there are literally over dozen quotes tucked away, there may very well be another (few?) that are actually what I was looking for.

The quote on page 155 will do, and thankfully we had a deep RP session that made the in game opportunity no be gone. So this will work. Thanks for anyone that may have read the OP and was looking. You're welcome to keep looking, and if you find something like the OP, go ahead and share it, but I think I may have found it.

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Hunter
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Thu 23 Nov 2017
at 17:17
D&D 3.5 Where is "How Sorcerer's describe casting"?
I personally always thought that Sorcerer's worked pretty much the way David Eddings describes magic use: the caster wills it then speaks to make it happen.
V_V
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Thu 23 Nov 2017
at 18:19
D&D 3.5 Where is "How Sorcerer's describe casting"?
Funny you would mention that. I may be mistaken, but he wrote the Sparhawk series, right?

a TANGENT:
I actually played a D&D adaptation (a failed try in BESM and HERO too) that worked very well. Very different. Magic was still restricted, and powerful, but we added some D&D elements. I've actually never read the books, but I feel like I know the story. The GM was really pressed, our group wanted the play and it was her turn to step up, and she needed inspiration, so she used the books. Granted, if the game was movie, people would say "The books are better" well, no, those ARE books, this was a game. Both can be awesome, and the game was. I was lucky enough to play the role of Sparhawk, but with my own reactions, and consequences. I'll tell you...oops. dang it....now I HAVE to use a spoiler.



Spoiler for ACTUAL Spoiler for the...Gems of Eosia...Dunno the name...sadly: (Highlight or hover over the text to view)

Kurik's death scene was heart wrenching. There was foreshadowing, because there was limit resurrection magic, that Kurik wanted stay dead if killed. Just by serendipity, Kurik never actually died...until Zemoch. Adus was attacked by the dim-witted friend, another PC, and Adus killed him too, on  counter attack...and then happened to go on the initiative right after. Then he just stepped toward Kurik, and I knew, OOC that he was dead. It was like this man was real, and his life's work was finally revealing why after all this time my character was sent a way, why I needed Kurik, why I still needed him, but would really never see him again.

Adus had also been played so very, very much like a dumb ape (as he should) that would fail all the Styric, who (sort of) replaced Sephrina, being Little Sister, and more the knights' age. In every other battle with Adus, the enchantments made Adus the fool. Not in Zemoch...nope. They wondered, and even joked, both in and out of character about how I should never ran, and then they realized this was Martel's legacy. It was all set into place...Gods I never smote before and probably never will smite again with a paladin when I killed Adus, forsaking my knight's code and flanking with Talon.



Having said all that, I'm actually not much for Edding take on magic. I dislike it generally. I prefer a higher fantasy in stories. I like to escape into world where more than small magic is possible. Hence why i play systems that allow things just short of time travel, if the story goes on long enough.

The D&D flavor, in general, I like, it's the fluff I don't like. I like D&D more than LotR TBH, there's enough difference that their different species entirely. I love LotR though...well, again, not the books, the movies were enough for me. *shrug* I'm just not a novel person.

Anyway, I thought it was a great quote from Hennet. Usually the quotes they have in other books are quite contrived and forced, leaving them obligatory and disappointingly lack-luster. I dunno, I liked the quote. So when I had a chance to use it as a prop in game, I was glad to.

"The caster wills it, and then speaks to make it happen" doesn't have the same ring...for me.
Mad Mick
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Fri 24 Nov 2017
at 01:10
D&D 3.5 Where is "How Sorcerer's describe casting"?
A, ah, somewhat different perspective on Sorcery in response to the idea that magic is like an expertly crafted watch:

"Yes, I am a sorcerer – and this magic is in my bones, not cribbed off of “Magic for Dummies.” And I can keep casting the same fruitin’ spell at you until you roll over and die. You can have your finely-crafted watch – give me the sledgehammer to the face any day."
– Xykon, in Order of the Stick: Start of Darkness

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V_V
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Fri 24 Nov 2017
at 23:42
D&D 3.5 Where is "How Sorcerer's describe casting"?
Paraphrasing the part about "Magic for Dummies" to something less meta (as OoTS is Supposed to be) the phrase it actually quite good! I think I may use that in the game too. After all, my character is a wizard, but he...well you don't need to know...suffice he's not a wizard elitist but believes in magical liberty.

Thanks for that, Mad Mick