gladiusdei
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Sat 19 May 2018
at 20:09
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
All of the original actors have said this is their last movie.  So that isn't happening.

And I honestly don't see an a centers movie working with that cast,  they don't have the charisma of the original.  Or the draw.

But again, we can agree to disagree.  I think they will lose huge amounts of audience if they begin to introduce more and more obscure heroes, and variations on the originals.  They have to keep the interest of more than comic book fans to make these movies worth it.
Kelthas Dread
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Mon 21 May 2018
at 15:11
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
I haven't heard that. Chris Evans yes. Helmsworth has alluded to possibly being ready for further Thor movies. Black widow has a solo movie in the works. Renner hasn't said anything that I've heard (and I subscribe to several sources) nor has Ruffalo. RDJ hasn't said one way or the other with 100% veracity just hinted.

Mackie, Cheadle, and Sebastion all still have movies in there intial contract.
gladiusdei
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Mon 21 May 2018
at 15:21
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
I guess we've read different things.  Hemsworth said there wasn't going to be a 4th Thor, back when Taika Waiti said he was pursuing it.  Robert Downey Jr. has said several times he was done. But I guess that could change every interview.

I don't see them using falcon, war machine, or winter soldier for much once capt america and iron man are gone.  Hawkeye or black widow either, but I guess if she's getting a solo movie they must be willing to try.

I don't think any of them will draw enough to make them viable for future movies.  They need big charismatic heroes to replace the ones they're losing, and they don't have them yet.

I don't have high hopes for captain marvel because I didn't find brie larson particularly engaging in previous movies she's in.  I don't feel like she'll have as much of a draw as the others.

I think they're plan right now is to do sequels to the heroes they currently have.  That will carry them on to about 2025, which is how far out Feige said they had it planned.  Beyond that, who knows.

I'm curious to see how they'll use the X-Men property though.  Will they try to continue with what is currently being used, go in a different direction, or restart it completely?

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Kelthas Dread
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Mon 21 May 2018
at 22:21
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
I don't know how I feel. Some I feel to redo the X-Men...but on the other hand the stories have been good in their own right and how much interest could be generated for completely refine stories.

Maybe tell different stories.

Xfactor? Giant size X-Men? Etc
gladiusdei
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Mon 21 May 2018
at 22:26
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
Just like the avengers, I really don't see them branching off in too obscure of a direction, like x-factor, without something to anchor it to.  Kind of how they didn't do gotg until they were sure of the success of the avengers.

The other big problem is that, in an mcu already fleshed out to the point of Thanos, a lot of the classic X-Men conflicts seem really, well, silly.  Mutant registration seems like a goofy idea in a world with aliens landing routinely and attacking all over the world.  But I guess they could tie to the sekovia accords.  It just seems small potatoes.

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Genghis the Hutt
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Tue 22 May 2018
at 21:47
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
I think they'll have to go small potatoes for a few years, let things build up again.  Someone will probably lampshade it:

1: "This is terrible!"
2: "Yeah, but aren't you happy that we're only dealing with things like this instead of the literal world ending?"
1: "Yes, but if the antagonist succeeds then our world essentially ends anyway because the US will start tracking people like China is doing now!"

And maybe they'll keep going with the universe-spanning threats, because they're more apolitical.  Captain America vs Iron Man started touching on all sorts of things that maybe they'd rather not touch on.
praguepride
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Wed 23 May 2018
at 15:51
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
First and foremost, I don't believe for a second when an actor says they are done with a role. Half the time it seems like a negotiation tactic for more money when you hear RDJ say he's done every single movie.

Harrison Ford said he was done with Star Wars after the 1st one and still did 3 more movies. RDJ is on his what...7th marvel movie with more in the works?

That being said GotG has spoiled me into being excited for character's I don't know. I have zero interest in seeing another Batman or Superman movie because it is going to be the same thing that's been told year after year after year. Batman is broody, superman is super perfect...

GotG was amazing because it was different. Ragnarock was amazing because it was a wild 80's space adventure that just happened to star Thor and Hulk. Black Panther was very well done because it was ultimately about dynastic issues combined with racial oppression undertones...like that was interesting to me. While it was still the basic forumla it was nice to see a character start with power and then lose it rather then be a plucky downtrodden underdog who powers up and overcomes.

I really hope they take X-Men away from 'oh no oppression' because that story was told first in the original trilogy and then secondly with Days of Future Past and Logan.

I think X-Men should go the Logan route which is basically just remaking amazing but lesser known movies and slapping x-men powers on everyone. Logan was a remake of Children of Man and you know what? I'm not unhappy about that. Children of Man was a great story and it actually fit well with a mutant twist to it. Instead of trying to come up with a way to tell the same story for the umpteenth time they should just lift it from other places.

Give me The Fugitive...with x-men powers. Give me Air Force One...with x-men powers. Give me Assault on Precinct 13...with X-men powers. Give me flipping Die Hard with X-Men powers and I would be happy as a clam :)
Genghis the Hutt
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Wed 23 May 2018
at 18:44
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
praguepride:
RDJ is on his what...7th marvel movie with more in the works?
I think he signed on for a 10-year contract when he started.
praguepride:
it is going to be the same thing that's been told year after year after year. Batman is broody, superman is super perfect...
GotG was amazing because it was different.
I think GotG was a great example of how superheroes in DC should have been handled.  Look at the very first movie and watch the prison break.  They're all immensely powerful characters -- other than perhaps Peter, but this ain't their first rodeo and they are not first-level characters by any means.

The problem is that Hollywood, especially DC, doesn't really know how to handle morals.  They portray "good" characters as goody-goody gumdrop characters and that's not what they should be all about.

Take the Adams Family, for instance.  They're basically cookie-cutter suburbanites with high morals who happen to also be loving sado-masochists.  The family loves each other, Gomez and Morticia would never cheat on each other, they welcome strangers in as not just honored guests but as one of the family.  Ultimately, they're good people with good morals.  They just have unusual quirks/kinks.

Rocket Racoon is an overpowered superhero, he's already basically epic level in D&D terms, yet he's still challenged, and he still has emotional heartbreak and challenges.  That's what they needed to show as far as Superman goes.  And DC kind of sucks at things like that.
gladiusdei
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Wed 23 May 2018
at 18:46
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
DC movies, anyway.  Funny how they managed to make a long series of awesome DC animated shows that fit the comics very well, yet totally botch it on the movies do much.
Genghis the Hutt
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Wed 23 May 2018
at 18:52
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
Yeah, I'll go with that. :)
praguepride
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Wed 23 May 2018
at 21:27
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
It's Zach Snyder. As a director he's got a great eye for set pieces and he can film some incredible "trailer material" but that's all it is. A series of action or visual set pieces with barely anything holding them together.

"We need to go here!"

"Why?"

"Because it will look cool!"

So much of Batman v Superman is just wasted nonsense and muddled storytelling. Lois Lane didn't need to spend an hour discovering what the audience already knew from the first ten minutes. Lex Luther straight up said "i'm the bad guy" like twenty times before that point.

And Martha...seriously what was anyone thinking building that up as the climactic moment that brings the two enemies around...

UGH. Anyway DCU struggles with dialogue. Marvel is able to make their characters quirky or intimidating and most importantly likeable. Marvel struggles a bit not making their villains too cartoonish but overall dialogue is pretty solid, the storytelling has a point in that each scene (mostly) pushes the plot along.


DCU is a jumbled mess and it starts with the director. MCU can put no names at the helm because they have a money making formula that works. You write dialog like THIS. THIS is how this character is portrayed. THIS is how it fits into the greater films. THIS is the basic formula for a superhero movie. Follow this, put some flair on it where you can and you're good to go.

DCU still doesn't know what the heck it's doing. It's a garbage franchise that needs to be put out of its misery. It's the "Batman and Robin" that needs to kill the DCU for 10 years until they can get their next Christopher Nolan to bring it out and do it right.
gladiusdei
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Wed 23 May 2018
at 21:35
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
just as a counterpoint to the idea that Marvel struggles to make their villain's cartoony, I think they're getting better at it.  Vulture and Thanos were both awesome villains.  Thanos was probably my favorite part of Avengers 3, he was just so calm and cool, yet awesome.  Reminded me of the old Darth Vader.



and The older I Get, the less I like the Nolan batman movies.  They just...weren't batman.  They were cop thrillers.  And if it wasn't for Heath Ledger they would be much less warmly regarded.
nuric
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Wed 23 May 2018
at 21:48
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
In reply to praguepride (msg # 56):

Totally agree.
I love DC characters, but the movies seemed forced and rushed.   The MCU movies, even ones about well known characters, started from scratch to introduce, or reintroduce, them to the audience.   DC needs to learn this
gladiusdei
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Wed 23 May 2018
at 22:02
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
They also picked the wrong version of them,   Batman at least.  Man it angers me they decided to use the ONE version to Batman that uses guns in these movies, seeing as those comics were intended to show Batman no longer being Batman.


I wish they showed him as what he is in the justice league comics.  The brain, the tactical mind of the group.  I think the way they showed Sherlock Holmes fight in the RDJ holmes movie fit Batman better than nearly any movie version of Batman.
nuric
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Wed 23 May 2018
at 22:40
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
In reply to gladiusdei (msg # 59):

I like Affleck at the older, worn out Batman, but I can definitely see what you're saying.  Because of the half dozen preceding Batman movies, we jumped into the new DCEU movies with only the briefest introduction to Batman.  We rushed to the chase scenes and the explosions, with minimal glimpses of what makes Batman truly great.
jwneil
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Thu 24 May 2018
at 14:10
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
gladiusdei:
DC movies, anyway.  Funny how they managed to make a long series of awesome DC animated shows that fit the comics very well, yet totally botch it on the movies do much.


Check out an old DVD:  "An Evening with Kevin Smith."  On it, he talks about the trials and issues he had with WB while writing a Superman movie.  Very entertaining.  And whenever a WB movie goes sideways, I think back to all the weird stuff that happened to Kevin Smith.

In a nutshell Kev reports that WB has too many folks interfering with movies.  Everyone at WB wants to interject what's currently popular rather than just let a movie be made. (The issue doesn't appear to be solely DCU movies - I think it's just more highlighted there.)
praguepride
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Fri 25 May 2018
at 01:01
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
The problem with both Superman and Batman in DCU is Zach Snyder. He was the kid that liked all the coolest stuff for all the wrong reasons.

Look what he did to Watchmen how he ripped out the guts of the message to give it more cinematic spectacle. He's only popular because of 300 and that was a completely shallow popcorn flick. Sure it looked cool but the story and characters were almost 2-dimensional.

Then he got his hands on Watchmen and drove that into the ground. Now DCU and like I said, the guy can make a striking image that produces amazing trailers that drives up the box office but from a rotten tomatoes perspective:


 76% Dawn of the Dead
 60% 300
 64% Watchmen
 23% Sucker Punch
 55% Man of Steel
 43% 300: Rise of an Empire
 27% Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice
 40% Justice League


Compare that to Keven Feige the mastermind behind MCU. While he was a producer and not a director and he had his fair share of bumps early on once he hit Iron Man 2 no movie he's been working on has gotten less then 70% except for Thor 2 which got "only" a 66%.

His WORST movie in the past 8 years is on par with Snyder's best movie.


Anyway...

It was Zach Snyder who said that "how could superman not know if he should kill or not unless he tries it" as the reasoning behind the ending of Man of Steel.

Zach Snyder said "Batman's older now so he uses guns and kills people"... like SERIOUSLY? Next he's going to make Martian Manhunter from Venus because Venus is closer then Mars or something stupid...

Like he identifies with laser focus what people are interested in but then it gets garbled in his brain and he focuses on all the wrong things about them. People like Superman because he was an ideal version of ourselves, not because he was strong and could cut people in half with laser vision. People liked Batman because he used his BRAINS to fight crime without violence and despite being a vigilante he let the system do it's job and relied on the brave people trying to also make Gotham a better place...not because he talked in a deep voice and could kill people in a second.

Batman was more interesting then Punisher because Punisher was boring and predictable. Batman was fun because he was tough but smart and ultimately tried to stop the cycle of violence by using nonlethal takedowns.
Genghis the Hutt
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Fri 25 May 2018
at 02:26
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
praguepride, I wish this was Reddit so I could upvote your post. :)
Carakav
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Fri 25 May 2018
at 02:39
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
In reply to Genghis the Hutt (msg # 63):

Seconded.
gladiusdei
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Fri 25 May 2018
at 02:51
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
I agree as well.  One little nit-pick I have, though, is about how upset people got with him killing Zod.  One, he killed Zod in Superman 2, and no one cared.  Second, it actually seemed to make sense, it was either kill Zod or let him fry more people.  It didn't seem that far out of character to me.


The rest of the movie was pretty bad, and his others are horrible (It's pretty funny, really, that I really disliked the conflict in Captain America Civil War but it is perfectly written compared to Batman vs Superman).
jwneil
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Fri 25 May 2018
at 12:39
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
praguepride:
Batman was more interesting then Punisher because Punisher was boring and predictable. Batman was fun because he was tough but smart and ultimately tried to stop the cycle of violence by using nonlethal takedowns.


We could get far off topic here...  Suffice to say I love the Punisher and I love Batman.  But I think the biggest mystery in the DC universe is why the Joker is still alive.  Punisher needs to visit Gotham for a night, team up with Jason Todd, and *really* clean up some of Batman's leftovers.  :)
Genghis the Hutt
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Fri 25 May 2018
at 16:35
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
jwneil:
I think the biggest mystery in the DC universe is why the Joker is still alive.
Same reason Batman is still alive -- plot armor. :)
gladiusdei
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Fri 25 May 2018
at 16:48
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
That can be said of nearly every hero and villain, honestly.  Why didn't a shield agent put a billet in winter soldiers skull from 100 yards while he was standing in the middle of an intersection?    You sort of have to accept plot armor like that with super heroes.
Genghis the Hutt
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Fri 25 May 2018
at 16:56
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
You'd probably need Incredible Hulk to put a billet in someone's head.  I mean, that's a whole heaping helping of mass that has to be moved. ;)
gladiusdei
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Fri 25 May 2018
at 17:00
Re: Avengers: Infinity Wars Movie - Thoughts? **POSS.SPOILERS**
I hate autocorrect.