hegemon:
In reply to DarkLightHitomi (msg # 15):
I understand what you are trying to say, but I am a believer of taking it directly to the source.
If I may: I respect your point of view, however, I'm not sure I agree with it in all cases.
The OP seems to be looking for opinions concerning events that happened to him in play. If he is earnestly seeking guidance on
how to conduct himself (as opposed to validation or justification for attempting to modify the behavior of others), all is well. It all goes to the OP's motivation.
Just because the OP didn't mention speaking to the folks involved about these situations doesn't mean he didn't do it. I suppose we could go to the source and ask him, right?
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Ask the Storyteller their perspective on what has happened. If, you are confused go privately to a circle of experience players. Maybe, they can help with the issue.
This may have happened. OP, feel free to confirm or deny, please.
We who have been consulted here are not involved one way or the other in this situation, and so are as close to a "private" impartial group of experienced players and GM/ST/Referee types as the OP is likely to find close to hand.
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My point is that including those that are involved with a possible conflict should almost always be the first step a player takes.
That may not always be possible, but where it is I would generally agree.
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Most people are reasonable, and can be talked to. I see no real help in sourcing the table in this manner. I guess it is nice to have strangers say that you are right, but not knowing what happened from the other players and storyteller's view makes me does any thing said here really help.
In my experience, folks fresh from the field of conflict with the steam still rising off their armor, so to speak, are possibly less reasonable that those same folks when given a chance to reflect for a bit and cool off. Different strokes for different folks.
The amount of help we who have given our honest opinions can be in this situation depends greatly on what the OP does with those opinions. Who is to say what good will or will not come of our discourse?
Having impartial "strangers" (some of whom may actually know FenrisLoki to some degree) "say that you are right" might not be what's going on here. The examples were not crafted to generate a predetermined result, were they? I saw no fell intent in the way he phrased his post or the examples.
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I do feel bad that the player had these situations happen. My advise is still if their frustration or disappointment in the game prevents from continued enjoyment of the game then quit. There are many games that are on RPOL, and unfortunately a player will not always like all the games they play.
Hmm... could it be the reason the OP is here is to work through some of this before wading into a more direct discussion with the other folks involved? I don't assume that is the case, but nor would I exclude it based on what has been posted here so far. For the OP, stepping back and gaining a broader perspective might be a first step.
Quitting may not be in the OPs nature. Perhaps he values logistics over tactics?
Our points of view diverge primarily in our willingness to make different assumptions about the original post and the replies to it. Down the path of assumption lies madness, hence all human beings are mad in one way or another... Please don't be mad with me for disagreeing with you.