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A forum that's a game.

Posted by woof
dollsteak
GM, 8 posts
Thu 26 Sep 2002
at 11:39
  • msg #8

Re: A forum that's a game

An interesting note... Jim may have advertised that Yahoo Group.  But looking through it, it seems he hasn't posted to it even once.  I sincerely doubt he's that concerned about the fate of PBW and it will eventually die (in June).
JohnB
GM, 10 posts
Thu 26 Sep 2002
at 14:14
  • msg #9

Re: A forum that's a game

Doll -  You may well be right.  However, there is a chance the site  can be rescued and that a whole bunch of players and DMs  won't get let down.  And I  do still have a soft spot  for  PBW, after all it is  where I started my online gaming, and somewhere that I have enjhoyed many hours of  playing in the past few years.

It is, IMO, something thats  worth putting some effort into still.
Shannara
GM, 9 posts
Treasurer
frpol@shannararose.com
Thu 26 Sep 2002
at 15:36
  • msg #10

Re: A forum that's a game

I've also tentatively volunteered to help with the save PBW effort.  However, unless Jim gets off his butt and announces to the group under what circumstances he's willing ot turn it over, I'm not going to do anything more or post again on the site.

I was part of Johnb's prior effort -- but I'm not going to waste time working up anything without knowing that Jim'll follow thru.

My participation there, if any, is on my own behalf.  Like John, I have a bit of a sentimental streak.
Jhael
GM, 4 posts
Thu 26 Sep 2002
at 15:41
  • msg #11

Re: A forum that's a game

We do appreciate you two letting us know that's what you're up to. It certainly saves anyone wondering about it if someone finds out accidentally.

Good luck - hopefully the rescue attempt will work out.
bigbadron
GM, 5 posts
He's big, he's bad, but
most of all, he's Ron...
Thu 26 Sep 2002
at 17:36
  • msg #12

Re: A forum that's a game

Hmmm... like Dollsteak I have a particularly bad opinion of Jim following the events of my last few days at PbW.  I was also part of the offer that was made to Jim just before everything fell to pieces, and was not very impressed with how he handled things from his end of the "negotiations".
Personally I'd rather not have to deal with him again, but if John and Shan want to try and help out the users over there, then I say "go for it and good luck".
It's only the management I have a problem with.
Shannara
GM, 10 posts
Treasurer
frpol@shannararose.com
Thu 26 Sep 2002
at 19:37
  • msg #13

Re: A forum that's a game

Well, Ron -- I share your bad opinion.  I do know that if Jim plans on being involved after the 'non-profit' turnover (if it happens), then I won't be a part of it.

That's what I'm waiting to find out.
dollsteak
GM, 9 posts
Thu 26 Sep 2002
at 21:09
  • msg #14

Re: A forum that's a game

After everything that happened, I have absolutely no impulse to support Jim's efforts in maintaining a legacy in his name.  So long as PBW exists, it will have his name attached to it.  He saw to that by giving up the code to the public.

And if I'm supposed to feel sorry for a bunch of clingers, sorry.  I can't.  I moved for desire of greener pastures.  After being here for but a few months, I can't help but feel that anyone still at PBW are fools.  If they had an inkling of a clue, the'd come here without haste.
dollsteak
GM, 10 posts
Thu 26 Sep 2002
at 21:58
  • msg #15

Re: A forum that's a game

I've updated our 'web site' on this game forum, linking it to the web page John's been keeping up.
dollsteak
GM, 11 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 04:38
  • msg #16

Re: A forum that's a game

C-lass has helped me consider something.  I really am confused by Shannara and John's interest in this PBW thing.  It seems downright disloyal to all our efforts here at RPOL to want to divide your attention for some has-been of a site.

Yeah, it was great.  Yeah, we're all thankful that we had a place to start... blah blah blah.  The point is... it's in the past.  You don't go to your old residence and mow the lawn when you got a new house, do you?

You should be concentrating your efforts on RPOL!  Shannara, work's got you so overloaded that you can barely keep your games going.  John, you've cut down on your games just recently because you've been working three part time jobs.  And now you're both considering helping Jim with this lame attempt at carrying his legacy onward.  He isn't even truly interested.  He's just stringing everyone along for the one final day when he decides it's not worth it anymore... then he'll expect everyone else to jump through hoops and make it work magic like overnight.  It won't matter to him then, because he'll be out of the picture.

He hasn't even fixed the new user link, for crying out loud.  Do you really think he's going to bother with all the extra effort of cutting everything over?

Your time and efforts are better spent here, where woof, elSpike, IronSite, and Jhael have welcomed us readily, with open arms, and virtually bent over backwards to make everything work the way we've been asking.  I am quite offended that you would so rudely and openly offer your help to the competition.

But I still love you guyz.
bigbadron
GM, 6 posts
He's big, he's bad, but
most of all, he's Ron...
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 04:47
  • msg #17

Re: A forum that's a game

But I still love you guyz.

Group Hug!
elSpike
GM, 6 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 04:51
  • msg #18

Re: A forum that's a game

Refrains...

"this is sooo gay"  [not that there is anything wrong with that]
bigbadron
GM, 7 posts
He's big, he's bad, but
most of all, he's Ron...
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 04:57
  • msg #19

Re: A forum that's a game

*scratches head*

What's "gay" about wanting to get into a clinch with Shannara?
elSpike
GM, 7 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 05:07
  • msg #20

Re: A forum that's a game

It was dollsteak's profession of love that started it...
dollsteak
GM, 13 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 05:10
  • msg #21

Re: A forum that's a game

I'm a lover, not a fighter.  You're just jealous because you wanted me all for yourself, elSpike.
elSpike
GM, 8 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 05:10
  • msg #22

Re: A forum that's a game

*sobs* oh no! my secret shame....
dollsteak
GM, 15 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 05:35
  • msg #23

Re: A forum that's a game

"Game Info" has been entered.
JohnB
GM, 14 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 07:35
  • msg #24

Re: A forum that's a game

Doll -  your  analogy isn't  quite right. For years I have played at both PBW and RPoL, and  have never seen any conflict in it, I still have a PBW account and an still in a game over there.  So I  am still a part of the PBW  user community still as  much as I am part of the commmunity here. I  still, also, have friends who play at PBW -  and may be even a few that play only at PBW, same as I have friends who only  play here at RPoL.

So I  don't  see my self  as  having moved house completely -  more like I  still kept a room at the old place so I  can go back for occasional visits, and  have some responsibility  for light chores about the place.  But even in RL - I have been known to mow the lawn  for  friends of  mine who aren't  able to do it  for themselves,I  don't  see this  as  too far  different to that.

You are right though, ATM I  don't  have a lot of time because of the way my  new jobs have worked out, but then PBW isn't taking a lot of time up ATM.  If there starts to be a conflict then I  will need to  reconsider it again.
dollsteak
GM, 17 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 07:37
  • msg #25

Re: A forum that's a game

I see it as a conflict of interest.  Especially for 'chairman'.
dollsteak
GM, 28 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 09:04
  • msg #26

Re: A forum that's a game

There you go, John.  I'm out of the voting issues.  Don't worry about that 'conflict of interest' thing because it doesn't matter to me anymore now that I'm not anything but a secretary and portrait editor.

I've got no interest in being in a position where I get admonished for doing something I thought was appropriate according to the rules laid out before me and the title of the position.  And no matter what you call that position now, it's already done.

I won't continue working in a position where I have to tread softly and get every little detail approved by everyone, especially something so insignificant as a message base.  I am proactive in nature.  So I clearly won't work under those guidelines.
Shannara
GM, 13 posts
Treasurer
frpol@shannararose.com
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 11:49
  • msg #27

Re: A forum that's a game

I like Ron's 'group hug' idea.

Dollsy, I stated my priorities very clearly in one of the other threads that I read first.  I hope that it alleviates your concerns about where my time will be allocated.  For what it's worth, I doubt that 'save pbw' will ever get off the ground.  I doubt seriously that Jim will ever respond, or if he does, it'll be after everyone else has given up and gone home.  So -- you're most likely right (again).

RPOL is my first priority (online).  It will continue to be so (unless woof's ego suddenly swells to massive proportions and he tries to shut up everyone who doesn't immediately espouse his opinions :P ).
dollsteak
GM, 33 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 12:56
  • msg #28

Country Rep

Whatever you want to call it...

You are limiting the voting of certain issues... however rare... to a small select panel of chosen individuals.  This is nothing short of an 'inner circle'.

The representatives (whatever you want to dub them) are not truly representing anything but their own best interests.

It is not right.  I am sorry I didn't catch it until now, but my understanding of the Country Representative was vastly different from what John intended.  If you want to hold votes for whatever reasons, then the public should be allowed to participate... anyone who comes to RPOL.NET, not just those who donate, not just a select few.

That's my take on things.  Furthermore, if another vote for Chairman were offered to the public, I assure you I would not vote for John knowing he was going to split his attention between two sites.  (Not that we had many choices for Chairman).

Maybe that's why I'm a bit irrate this morning.  I knew Shannara was expressing interests to help... but she's always been soft hearted for a cause, and I knew if it came down to it, she'd choose RPOL over PBW.

I can't say the same thing about John and what he would choose should he start heading some big project reestablishing PBW.  I am not comfortable with our Chairman in that position, and I believe that information should have been made evident before we put him in that position.  It was unfair and dishonest to hide the fact until afterwards.
Jhael
GM, 9 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 13:12
  • msg #29

Re: hmm

may in retrospect be a stupid question but...

how was the initial meeting determined? who was invited? how was it conducted?
dollsteak
GM, 35 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 13:16
  • msg #30

Re: hmm

I'll send you the transcripts if you like.  Just pass me an E-mail addy (You can send it to portraits@rpol.net if you like).

John arranged a good time between Shannara, BBR and myself, we all had Yahoo Messenger, so it was convenient.  I don't know if he invited anyone else.
Jhael
GM, 10 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 13:26
  • msg #31

Re: hmm

laugh - and now you're worried about it being cliquey?

okay it looks like four people have set this up and intend to run with it, that's excellent

it seems to me that there's becoming a distinct need for two groups - a users group, and this admin forum

the users group will require significant and fair representation - this group doesn't - its function is to administrate around solving some of the resourcing issues of the site

I'm mildly puzzled that none of the aussie trio of elspike, woof or ironsite, was at the meeting given their very hands on involvement with rpol
dollsteak
GM, 36 posts
Fri 27 Sep 2002
at 13:41
  • msg #32

Re: hmm

Me too.
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