Might have been holding some back - I don't actually have the bit where the money was handed out anywhere, all I know about Black economically is:

 He had starting equipment.
 He lost a lot of it in Mallowroast.
 He bought new armour - leather - with most of his remaining money.
 He turned down the Mallowroast cash.
 Years pass.
 Somewhere, he gained three hundred and thirty-odd silver.
 He promptly spent it on training.

 He literally had no money to spend without the Tar'Deno cash, so he must have had it - but that was all he got, unless Calypte's got a purse for us she hasn't mentioned. ^_^

Well, assuming he's not trolling you he forgot a few things. We'll want to make sure we have Bartertown city water, because wells can be a real PITA. Also, we'll want to be sure to understand exactly what our taxes (assuming we pay them to the Kingdom) cover. Do we receive protection from wandering bandits? Horrors? Are we required to put board soldiers upon request?

There are other, stranger laws that have been known in some places, and I imagine Throal might have some of those. For example, if we hold dwarf-tossing contests, can we also sell alcohol at such events (such being illegal in Florida as of 1989)? If we sell alcohol, can we also sell cool beverages (such being illegal in Indiana)? If we decide to allow prostitution in our location, can we also sell condoms and, if so, are they required to meet certain standards (I realize latex is far in the future, but we could breed sheep for the dual purposes of harvesting their wool for clothing and stomachs for condoms... quite lucrative, those sheep :)

Anyway, those are just a few further questions raised by the possibility of land ownership. ;) (And yes. I am being utterly facetious. Also, Garlen, the game wants me to tell you to make a new thread 'or else.' I assume the 'or else' has something to do with siccing Tahvazaa Many-Tentacles on you, but I may be wrong. ;)

In reply to Garlen (msg # 953):



Why would you think I'm TROLLING you?
I think you were the one to bring up buying the inn, I'm following up on that line of thought.  ;)
Yes, I can write it out in IC.
As for why I want land and am  interested in the laws, has to do with my people's history and how we live.


As for taxes, I was trying to avoid paying, my people don't like to pay taxes ... so this I am asking about the city lines.
I was born of farm stock so, I know how water is critical, but that's kinda jumping the gun and would be part of my exploration of the local land and opportunities we might have.   As for the rest, trying to avoid building on taxed land, so not relevant right now.   :p

How about conscription and peasantry?
if we hold land will we have to actively engage in defenses of Barsaive and join the army against the Therans (most common explanation for why the King needs an army), what are the local interpretations of duties guarding against horrors?

We have a ton of legal and cultural questions that could affect the whole ordeal.
(Finally I feel like an anthropologist again. Thanks guys! ^_^  )

Seriously though.
Taia's comment about raising sheep reminded me of something.
I'll quote Sir Terry Jones on this one
"Peasants were about to come face to face with their real enemy: Sheep.
You see, your average lord could make more money out of sheep that he could out of peasant. For a start there's a lot more whool on a sheep and you can eat them.
Which is possible with the peasants, but sociably tricky."

Here's the link.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbisfXkmOx8
This message was last edited by the player at 18:11, Mon 04 June 2018.

In reply to Amalianna (msg # 959):

If we aren't paying taxes, I'd think we are not obligated to support the military via conscription.
If we claim enough land, sheep are not bad, but I'd prefer chickens and goats but we can do a mix, if the NPCs are up for it.

Thanks for bringing up water resources Tiai, I was planning on listing resources I will look for in exploring outside the city limits.

1. Water
   
2. Timber / trees
   
3. Stone
   
4. Clay & sand
   
5. Animal fodder = Hay/straw/grass
   
6. Ore

I know we won't find everything in one place, but the more resources, the better.
Any critical building resources I missed?

Any one have skills or talents to lend to building?
Engineering, architecture, carpenter, stonemason etc.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:18, Mon 04 June 2018.

In reply to Amalianna (msg # 959):

Jones is awesome. I read him both for history and for comedy. Not everyone can pull that off.

Stormy, you do know I was being facetious, right? ;) However, to answer your question, Taia does have a few skills that might come in handy. More impressive would be convincing her to assist you, however; she'd need to be shown how this could help her get back into the good graces of Alachia, or at least help the people of the Wood. One day she might be willing to care more about you outsiders and your freakishly Unprotected selves, but that day is not today. :D

I mean... once upon a time... Talia was a farm girl. *snicker*

But for now, she would only be interested in helping if you were going to take Theran lands. And then she'd really require there to be a ranch for horses, cuz she's an elf, ya see, and elves tend to go through a number of mounts in their lifetime. Also, horses.

I was hoping you were, but didn't want to assume.


One of my favorite sayings goes something like, "He(she) who doesn't work, doesn't eat."
Since you are an Archer, I'm sure you could probably hunt up your own meat to eat, however this is a group game and alienating yourself probably isn't wise.  ;)



Fine, fine.  I see how it is, Elves don't want to work for a living.  Go off, run, skip and have a happy life but when it gets cold, dark and starts to rain don't come crying to Uncle Stormy cause I'll have nothing for you.  :p

Work ethic aside... there's also the matter where Talia just met Stormy, literally, a day ago. And, even if she had money, she wouldn't be randomly entering into any financial deals with him at this point. But then again, she likely wouldn't do that with Korentin either even though she knows he has more than the ability to, quite literally, beat the money out of her like your standard loot exploding monster. ^_^

And then there's the matter of if she did want land, it would either be decidedly in Throal proper, or nowhere even remotely near Throal.

But that aside, too, she's also pretty well assured a bed somewhere to sleep in town, if she really wanted one. And at least two on-going job prospects, again, if she really wanted one. But Cavalry folk aren't really known for staying in one spot for too long.

Besides all that, ultimately, she's pretty sure everyone's going to die and all of Barsaive is going to be razed to the ground, so land investment really just seems pretty silly to her anyway. :P

Some OOC comments are good to progress a conversation but after awhile it feels like beating a dead horse.
IMO this horse is beaten well enough.

Garlen, how much finagling are you ok with in the game?
What I mean is are you ok with the players posting barn boys taking our horses, entering the inn and MPCing the inn keeper taking our order for rooms and meals or do you want us to wait for you to reply to our posts w/o finagling?
I ask to help move the game forward in all ways that probably won't hurt the story but help to keep players actively engaged.

Ack!  Sorry, I thought I had written this, but evidently not - which is kind of silly given that your whole question was about keeping things moving.

In general, I'm fine with that, especially on interactions with generic NPCs like Innkeeper #2  and the like.  Dorg is a little bit more established as a character, but then, it's not like we're instituting a realistic economy or anything, so he charges the same prices as everybody else and seems unlikely to do anything crazy in the middle of accepting payment for a meal, so, basically, yes, that's fine.

Just wanted to note, Stormy, Dorg wouldn't have ignored you - I had just read that as glossing over the inn keeper taking your order for room and meals and not needing a specific response exactly as you asked two messages ago and I said was fine in the last message here.  If you do want to play out the interaction in more detail, please write your opening in more detail so that I can respond in kind.  Thank you.

If you'd rather just talk to the barmaid anyway, that's fine, of course, and I will respond to that next update, but you might want to take out the part about being ignored since that implies that you never did anything to be ignored about.

In reply to Garlen (msg # 968):



Stormy has no way of knowing how many rooms the innkeeper has, how much he'd charge or frankly what type of inn this was.  I clearly stated waving over the innkeeper to engage him on this.

My prior comment about finagling could apply, if I knew the prices of the inn or the type of the inn (ie if you had posted in OOC prices of food, rooms, etc).  Since this wasn't done, I wanted to do some interaction AND I wanted to follow up on the land issue we discussed in OOC.

Since you didn't comment, I really don't see that there is a reason to edit my post.  Perhaps the Innkeeper is smitten with the Swordmaster, perhaps the Innkeepr doesn't like Humans or saw a token on Stormy indicating he's a Rider of the Scorched plains and he doesn't care for Riders or maybe Stormy intimidated him.  Sure, you could say the innkeeper wouldn't have ignored Stormy ... but he was ignored. ;)
This message was last edited by the player at 03:25, Sat 07 July 2018.

You want to argue about this?  Fine.

You also said, in that same quote,


So, you talked things over.  You weren't ignored, according to your own post.

Again, if you want to play out the interaction in more detail, please do so, but you didn't initially and we had just clarified that that was OK.

Prices, incidentally, can be found on page 271 of the 3e Player's Guide.  If you needed further clarification, you could have asked.  ("Is this inn Cheap, Guild, Luxury, or Merchant?" would be a totally fair question and probably a bit odd to try to bring out in character.  I would say Merchant, incidentally.)

If you wanted to do some interaction, write it in a way that gives me something to interact with.  The only thing I see in that that warrants a response would be the question of whether your male companions want to share a room with you, and as I don't see that actually addressed to them in any way they can respond to... shrug  I'm not sure what you were really expecting there, frankly.

And the land issue.. what?  With the innkeeper?  Land ownership, resource management, tax laws, civil engineering... again, they are interesting questions, but again, it's really not the kind of game I'm interested in running, so do let me just say bluntly, this is not a thing I want to spend a lot of time on.  I still feel you're forcing a lot of modern concepts that don't really fit the setting.

If you want Stormy to retire and settle on a farm, that's totally up to you; just understand that it means he's retiring, and leaving the game.

Incidentally, if, in your game, you told me that I had misinterpreted something, I would not come back and tell you that you were wrong.  I know that in the past I have pressed some points on mechanics a few times, always with my rule that I will ask once but it's your game.  I don't believe ever on a question of how the world works or how NPCs behave. I know we run things differently, but this is my game.  I would appreciate a similar respect.  Thank you.
This message was last edited by the GM at 06:43, Sat 07 July 2018.

In reply to Garlen (msg # 970):

Sounds good.  Stormy will get some land and retire.  Thanks.

So... no inventing modern concepts of land management then? *mourns his loss as he slowly burns his copy of Modern Real Estate Management Theory and Practical Applications Thereof in Throal and the Outlying Areas of Barsaive, all the while hearing this in the background: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntv9R1She5A*

:D

There goes my farm the size of the entire Isle of Thera. Without 10 years worth of squatters rights, I haven't got a chance with Dis based bureaucracy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EQ6eHeBrhM

Can I still have a band like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fY7mnykPDR8

 But... but... there was this guy and he told me...

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pDTiFkXgEE

Korentin rolled a 1 on the table. We are boned.

:D

Just a heads up, I'll be out of town from Saturday through Friday. I wont be able to post during that time.

Well, if you're only gone for negative one days, I think that'll be OK!  ...Hm?  Wait, they go that way too?  Good grief.

Have fun!  I shall optimistically assume that you're going to miss all kinds of stuff by being gone for a whole week, but I think we'll muddle through somehow.

Also, just to make it official, in case his last post here wasn't clear enough, Stormy did indeed ask to be removed from the game.  Apparently `respect' was his breaking point.  Per his final request, I'll do an IC post for Stormy deciding to leave and go start a farm soon, though it would probably be a little jarring right now.  If we do go with a little bit of downtime, maybe he'll meet someone nice and decide to settle down.

Oh, and Taia - I know you've mentioned planning `your first LP's' for learning Throalic, but it wasn't like you got anything for not speaking Throalic yet, that was just a thing you did.  So you're really just catching up on a starting ability anyway.  I don't think you need to spend LP on it.

But that said, I should probably distribute some in case people wanted to spend them.  It's late right now, though, so I'll give that some thought tomorrow.

Right? Geez, Talia. Learn the language already! Yeesh. ;)


That works for me. I mean, just so long as I get to keep butchering the language. That's very important to my self-image, you know. ;)

… Just lemme know when you feel I've learned enough that I can start speaking it without having to remember to insert language groups. (A day I long for. ;)

In reply to Garlen (msg # 978):

 Good grief...

 ...I know we're not moving very fast here, but I rarely see such an easy-going, amiable group of people who just like to get on. And yet we always attract one or two folks with incredibly tender buttholes - remember over in Heroes Duty when that chap got so worked up about how twinky we were for allowing an unarmoured guy with stone weapons have no ranks in something?

 Oh well, I for one wish Stormy well but I'm not going anywhere. I actually like all you guys. ^_^