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OOC4.

Posted by helbent4For group archive 0
Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko
player, 1448 posts
RCMP UBC Detachment
Staff Sergeant
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 19:34
  • msg #974

Re: OOC4

Regarding AD, the Canadian Forces are relying on angry shouting and fist pumping at the clouds. Literally, nothing else.

As per handguns, well, the old,'ye faithful WW2 vintage Browning Hi-power still soldier on with no replacement on sight.

And a two Hornet relic squadron as an Air Force. Is 1939 all over again.
Eric C. Wright
player, 73 posts
RCMP Aux Contractor - DRI
Texan, Former LEO
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 19:48
  • msg #975

Re: OOC4

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 974):

It is just frustrating to me, as someone who was a light infantryman to see all the froufrou & time & money & energy that went into selecting a new pistol, literally the most irrelevant small arm in the entire inventory, when they can't figure out a new rifle.  Not that the M4 is bad; it's actually great & I love it, but the design is 60-ish years old and we've had two different rifle replacement programs come & go with zero results in the last 20 years.

That said, fuck the M9 & I hope they all die in a fire.
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1756 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 20:06
  • msg #976

Re: OOC4

In reply to Eric C. Wright (msg # 975):

The HP-35 is a far better 9mm, despite the age of the design, and a modern M1911 is also outstanding.  Same guy that designed both also designed the M2HB, which is a rock solid machine gun.

You can keep the Beretta, I never understood why anyone wants one, but I know a few ex police that swear by them.
Eric C. Wright
player, 74 posts
RCMP Aux Contractor - DRI
Texan, Former LEO
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 20:20
  • msg #977

Re: OOC4

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 976):

I was at one issued a baretta to carry along with my M4.  It was a POS.  I would very much have rather carried a 1911; at least i know I will get eight shots out of it before I it needs attention; the M9 I had got 3-4.  I shot a Hi Power once; it was fine for what it was.  Nothing fancy but it went bang every time I pulled the trigger, which is really all it needs to do.

Honestly for all the talk about pistol vs. pistol, they are largely irrelevant for modern combat, so it boggles the mind how the US DOD spent so much money it.

I may have to get a hi Power someday to complete my Allies pistol collection.  I only need a British one & I'll be damned if I buy a Webley...
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1757 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 20:30
  • msg #978

Re: OOC4

In reply to Eric C. Wright (msg # 977):

The Hi Power is a must have, allies and AXIS collection both, lol.

My Hi Power is my second favorite handgun, after my MKIII.  And yeah, a handgun is mostly just a backup.
Eric C. Wright
player, 75 posts
RCMP Aux Contractor - DRI
Texan, Former LEO
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 20:44
  • msg #979

Re: OOC4

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 978):

I like my Mk III; has so little recoil I wasn't sure it had fired the first time I shot it.  I'm not terribly concerned with the Axis pistol collection; the P08 is too expensive, the P38/P1 & Italian Baretta model are mediocre, and the Nambu is nearly as dangerous to the operator as the target.
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1758 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 21:01
  • msg #980

Re: OOC4

In reply to Eric C. Wright (msg # 979):

Yeah, and price a Hi Power with Nazi markings on it sometime, no fun.  Also, don't shoot it, it may have been sabotaged.

Ruger makes a great little target pistol, love them.
Eric C. Wright
player, 76 posts
RCMP Aux Contractor - DRI
Texan, Former LEO
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 21:09
  • msg #981

Re: OOC4

Yeah, I've heard the Belgians messed with a lot of the steel & may have even changed some dimensions on the Nazi-marked ones.

Ruger makes good stuff.  I only have the Mk. III from them, I've shot some of there other stuff owned by friends & family.
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1759 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 21:11
  • msg #982

Re: OOC4

In reply to Eric C. Wright (msg # 981):

I own 4 different ruger products currently, and have owned others in the past.

Good company.

If you ever decide you want a .357 or .44 wheelgun, always go Ruger if you are into hand loading.  Their guns are so far over spec that there is a separate section in the manuals for loads Rugers can handle that most others cannot.  They can take loads MUCH hotter than pretty much anything else.
Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko
player, 1449 posts
RCMP UBC Detachment
Staff Sergeant
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 21:14
  • msg #983

Re: OOC4

The Nambu Type 94 is a product of it's time and environment. As long as the safety is engaged, the dreadful e eternal sear will be blocked. An overall cum lauded POS of a pistol with all the mystique that post war "trophysm" can cause.

Small arms manufacturing in the West is mostly a losing proposition if for the few mighty. More so outside the US. Military contracts are overblown on the internet by their own manufacturers and publicists in order to breed further orders in the divvy street as well as LEO and exports. As inconsequential as they are in the battlefield this type of dog and pony show is something IMHO inevitable. Same as per the endless misnomer of the intermediate calibers around for quite awhile now.

As per the new generation weapon system program to replace the M-4....well, hookers and blow give the NGWS a go!

I believe it will come forward albeit as another tool rather than a full replacement.
Eric C. Wright
player, 77 posts
RCMP Aux Contractor - DRI
Texan, Former LEO
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 21:22
  • msg #984

Re: OOC4

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 983):

I have a S&W Model 19 .357; it's a very nice pistol.  That said, my dad has a Ruger Security Six, which is a nice pistol too, although my S&W has a better trigger.  I have reloaded in the past, although that was more out of necessity; although I do have plans to start a load-ladder for my .308 boltgun sometime.

Yeah, the M16/M4 is a fine piece of machinery, and I'd put it against any other country's 5.56 rifle.  DI got a bad wrap, based initially on stupidity of the DOD in doing things they that should have known were dumb (deciding against chrome-lining despite it being part of the original design, using an older powder for the initial 5.56 that was very dirty & not issuing cleaning kits), but all of though have been rectified & it is a fine rifle.
helbent4
GM, 2844 posts
aka Tony
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 21:39
  • msg #985

Re: OOC4

Father Nick:
In reply to helbent4 (msg # 966):

Yea, my contacts are done with everything but name. I know that in v2.2. contacts are undefined until you call out that this captain/trader is my contact and then it becomes locked in.


My apologies, my "contacts?" question was before I double-checked and saw that your PC was indeed fully complete. I forgot to take that out. Corrected! I agree, I think in this edition you don't specifically lock in contacts until needed.

Personally (and this is just my opinion) handguns are most useful for holding up a 7-11. You could argue that they are useful for self-defence while in a vehicle, but this basically does not apply where I live as no one else is likely to have a gun either. Or probably even physically attack you. And for home defence, again, I live in an apartment in a city. If I was living in a rural or wilderness area (which is like 90% of the country) I'd get a shotgun.

The Diemaco (now Colt Canada) C7 and C8 family are the best version of the M16 family, that I can tell. Far more accurate, durable and built to withstand harsh conditions than their forefathers (M16A1 and M16A1 carbine) or cousins (current M16 and M4 variants). I guess because they are developed from licence they are arguably the same system. But we do not have any AD since the ADATs were retired (quad Swedish missiles mounted on an M113 chassis) and our Hornets are extremely long in the tooth. At least we got some secondhand Leo 2s!

Tony
Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko
player, 1450 posts
RCMP UBC Detachment
Staff Sergeant
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 22:00
  • msg #986

Re: OOC4

A couple small notes if I may, Tony. ADATS was a Oerlikon product therefore swiss and not swedish. There was a political scandal in Canada regarding the land were the production factory was going to be set up under the wing of Rheinmetall Canada at that time Oerlikon Canada.

As per the Leo 2, The Canadian Army acquired 80 Leopard 2A4 and 20 Leopard 2A6 tanks from the Netherlands in 2007. Twenty Leopard 2A6M were borrowed from the German Army beginning in mid-2007 to support the Canadian deployment in Afghanistan. Two Bergepanzer 3 Büffel were purchased from the German Army for use with the Canadian deployment in Afghanistan An additional fifteen Leopard 2A4 tanks were purchased from the German Army as Logistic Supply Vehicles (for spare parts). A further 12 surplus Pz 87 were purchased from Switzerland in 2011 for conversion to armoured recovery vehicles. A final total of 112 tanks of all variants is to be fielded by the Canadian Army: 82 gun tanks (42 2A4+, 20 2A4M CAN and 20 2A6M CAN - all delivered as of March 2016), 12 ARVs ( and 18 AEVs according to wikipedia.

Regarding the Stryker vehicle I heard this story that its size was dictated by the width of the bridges in Albania...
Eric C. Wright
player, 78 posts
RCMP Aux Contractor - DRI
Texan, Former LEO
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 22:03
  • msg #987

Re: OOC4

I don't know about Strykers.  My first unit transitioned to strykers after I left & had them for about a year before Hawaii made them get rid of them.

That said, I do know that MRAPs tip over real easy.  Ask me how I know...  XD
Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko
player, 1451 posts
RCMP UBC Detachment
Staff Sergeant
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 22:15
  • msg #988

Re: OOC4

A well known fact and yet...check out the TAPV...a vehicle in search of a mission.
Eric C. Wright
player, 79 posts
RCMP Aux Contractor - DRI
Texan, Former LEO
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 22:19
  • msg #989

Re: OOC4

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 988):

It's probably fine for police work (minus MGs).  And I know our MPs use a similar vehicle for convoy escort & I guess they're probably fine for internal security in questionable locals.

Then again, the US version has both an M2 & a Mk. 19 mounted in a tiny turret...
Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko
player, 1452 posts
RCMP UBC Detachment
Staff Sergeant
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 23:00
  • msg #990

Re: OOC4

Looks like behind the TAPV concept belies the quintessential peacekeeper roadrunner. Looks like the ultimate installment in Godzilla'ing the humble V-100 to unheard levels of Pentagon Wars standards...

Btw, Tony and here your friend had the chance of a joyride in the bashful Commando. That and an ex Czechoslovakian T-54. Those were the days!

During my time as an Air Force MP I was tasked occasionally with driver/escort and Radio Microwave comms tower security commander duties. In both scenarios the handgun, a Llama M-82, was handy. Either to shoot your way out in the Nissan Patrol or in a last stand a-la El Alamo under the antenna with three conscripts toting SMGs (STAR Z-70B). Fortunately I could ask my father for a proper holster instead of the flapper issue. Other than that, pistols are little more than badges of authority.

After my service went to carry wheelguns in private security. Llama and Astra in .38 cal with a 4 inch barrel, the legal standard. I always felt safer packing that rather than the pistol. I had poor experiences with the slide manual safety overtravelling rendering the firing pin misaligned and therefore going click to my chagrin.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:04, Tue 23 June 2020.
Eric C. Wright
player, 80 posts
RCMP Aux Contractor - DRI
Texan, Former LEO
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 23:13
  • msg #991

Re: OOC4

Lol.  My military experience was based primarily around the M4, M2, and M252.  never got to shoot any SMGs in the military, although I did rent an MP5 at a local range once.
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1760 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 23:15
  • msg #992

Re: OOC4

Eric C. Wright:
That said, I do know that MRAPs tip over real easy.  Ask me how I know...  XD


I was a mechanic/recovery.  Those stupid things are the most top heavy vehicle possibly ever in inventory.

The M3A1 was an OK sub, I guess, never jammed on me.  I got issued one for a while when I crewed an 88.  That thing was a cadillac.

My favorite is and always will be the M2, the M60 was.. tempermental.

M16a1 was ok, I guess.
Eric C. Wright
player, 81 posts
RCMP Aux Contractor - DRI
Texan, Former LEO
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 23:20
  • msg #993

Re: OOC4

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 992):

Yeah.  I was in the turret of my MRAP when it rolled 270 degrees...  Good times.  Our mechanics didn't even come and pull us out.  It was KBR contractors.  Which is weird because they always had that fucking Herc sitting on the FOB...
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1761 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 23:26
  • msg #994

Re: OOC4

In reply to Eric C. Wright (msg # 993):

Their 88 was too pretty to bother with your MRAP
Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko
player, 1453 posts
RCMP UBC Detachment
Staff Sergeant
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 23:28
  • msg #995

Re: OOC4

A Filipino neighbor was fond of shooting a M-3 in the backyard to celebrate New years. Back home, that is. The slow RoF said was quite pleasing to rock around, go figure. Grease guns ftw. Wasn't Gen. Schwarzkopf escorted by GIs toting those back during the Gulf War days?

European militaries were quite fond of the SMGs for quite a long time, Cultural debris. It took the carbine versions of assault rifles (and/or folding stocks) to retire most of them. I guess the PDW concept is trying to resurrect them with less than more success as seen with the P90 and MP-7 thingies.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:29, Tue 23 June 2020.
Eric C. Wright
player, 82 posts
RCMP Aux Contractor - DRI
Texan, Former LEO
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 23:31
  • msg #996

Re: OOC4

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 995):

Ugh.  The 5.7 is LITERALLY just a weaker 5.56; you use the same bullets (of different weights) to reload them.  And the 4.7 is frickin' 18 caliber...  XD
Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko
player, 1454 posts
RCMP UBC Detachment
Staff Sergeant
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 23:44
  • msg #997

Re: OOC4

The CRISAT defeating flavor of the moth. Paired with as a side dish of Infaterist der Zukunft and other megalomaniac attempts to save the industry before the millennium could take the budget away.
helbent4
GM, 2845 posts
aka Tony
Tue 23 Jun 2020
at 23:58
  • msg #998

Re: OOC4

OK! Almost at 1000!

Time for a new thread!

Tony
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