One good point about the M72 is that once fired, several beer cans plus ice fit snugly inside....

:P

In reply to Fusilier (msg #946):

Yeah, I remembered the connecting piece; I just was not sure I remembered where the cotter pin was.  It was 1979 that I last saw that LAW, and my memory is not what it once was.  Thanks for the info.  Now if Handley needs to pop his open, he can.   :-)

No problem.

Ok, clarification please. The last dismounts cross in the boat right. After the Bradley hits the far shore? If they are supposed to leave at the same time, let me know and I'll edit the post.

Correct. I did/am rolling for both vehicles.

The last dismounts were to cover the Bradley's crossing and then come over in the rowing boat.

The .50cal and the 25mm could do a world of hurt on that Hind.

My thoughts exactly.....
Just need to find time to post.

Nobodies scared then?

Its sooo much easier not to be scared when your NOT in hte Bradley :-)

I actually think the Bradley is in a slightly better position than the dangerously exposed M113. There's a whole river around the Bradley adding a lot to the effective armour of the vehicle although a hit to the water barrier might prove problematic. Still, it is a smaller target and should be considered as hull down for the purpose of hitting it.
As for traversing the turret, when there's a hind nearby, I think I'd be inclined to take a risk, especially if there were infantry inside able to act as "moveable ballast".

The Bradley has touched the far side of the river.  No worries about tipping.

Where's an A-10 when you need one?  ;-)

In reply to Oskar Friedmann's in game comment:

Actually, the Hind does pretty much need an AT round to kill it.  Although enough .50cal would probably do the trick.  It is designed as a Airmobile Tank.  It has by far the best armored body of any helicopter made.

.50 cal minimum.  The 25mm for desired affect.  Don't even bother with 7.62.

I figured the assault rifles weren't going to do it - my mistake was using 'round' instead of 'rocket'.  I was more going for the fact that it wasn't going to take a LAW.

Technically, if we use the TK2 air combat rules, you can't engage an aircraft with anything but auto fire or anti-air missiles, RPGs just don't cut it. Real life would suggest that RPGs do have a chance, especially if we tag team the Hind.

An option might be to use the M2 to draw the Hind's attention, maybe splitting it with the M113 trying to flank it and allow the RPGs to line up a couple of shots at a 90 degree angle to the copter's line of attack.

With the Bush master and M113 pumping out rounds, we might score a lucky hit, as might the LAW and RPG 16 in the boat, there's also an RPG team on the Eastern shore that might be able to cause some mischief/damage, all assuming the Hind comes in close and doesn't do us from a distance.

Well, that sounds great from a narrative point of view, but as a real life tactic, it probably sucks.

Stinger's not anti-armor, its anti-air.  It can push through a Hind but that hardly classifies it as an anti-tank rocket.

Armor should be able to handle a helicopter it can see and engage within its range.  On a row boat?  Not much to do but pray and duck.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:44, Fri 17 Oct 2008.

I don't think we have any Stingers, I was talking about the situation we had, I have no doubt a Stinger would do the job unless it over penetrate (if such a thing is possible).

Was a reply to Handley.  Overpenetration shouldn't be a problem - at that point its a sabot.  :)

My bad, sorry.

In reply to Oskar Friedmann (msg #961):

Okay, I should have added "to knock down Hinds" to the thought about Stingers.  The point is, Hinds are too tough for most infantry-portable weapons except rockets and missiles.

Stingers are VERY effective against Hinds.  That is why we gave them to the Afghanis during the Soviet invasion, and they used them to incredible effectiveness.

Yeah, my point was more that the Bradley would do everything and it was out of the boat crew's hands.

I think the real problem is the average speed of the helicopter making man-portable stuff too difficult to employ effectively.  You want something fast and maneuverable (the Stinger) or something with a bit of punch that can be sprayed (the .50 or the 25mm).  I'd think that knocking a flying helicopter out with a LAW from a reasonable distance when its doing anything other than deploying troops would be a hell of a difficult shot to make.

I would think it should be a difficult but doable target for the Bradley.

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In other news, Kelly just made things a lot more interesting.  :p

Meh, maybe he'll hit the tail rotor somehow. Golden BB's DO happen!

Wikipedia tells me that the rotors are titanium.  Try to ricochet a shot off the fuselage and into the pilot.  :p

Sorry for the delay. I was gathering information on the aviation rules (thanks Mark), stats for the Hind, etc. I'm still away from home so I don't have my resources with me - as in I'm a little slow this week.

Hope I'm keeping y'all interested. I've been doing some spare thinking about plot developments - so you are not just facing off against the same old returning enemy and such.

Turn will be up in an hour or so.