OK, there weren't any objections, so I went with the original plan of 2 up, 3 down.

@Cymon:


If you want O'Brien to do that instead just put it forward as a suggestion IC and Kessler will OK it.

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 40):

Sure, will update now.

Do any of the upstairs windows face the building that Kessler and Ferro took fire from?

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Is there another can of .50 cal ammo on the HMMWV?

Yes, two bedrooms with south views (but not the one you are currently in).

Yes, along with the loaded can of 85 there is one of 105 rounds.

Does anyone know if a 40mm Illum grenade could be used as an improvised incendiary device? Varis has a few and we never seem to use them for their intended purpose (since most of us still have some form of NODs). I am trying to conserve his dwindling supply of 40mm HE rounds. I was thinking about trying to direct-fire one of his illum rounds into an enemy-held (wooden) structure and seeing what happens, but if there's little chance of success, it'd be a turn wasted. Thoughts?

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This message was lightly edited by the player at 00:05, Thu 29 Sept 2016.

While an Illum round will burn, unless the material you're firing at is combustible (dry leaves, super dry wood or building material) it will probably just burn itself out.  Still would be quite a distraction though.

Updated map. Note, there are no targets visible by anyone this turn.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/...0BdJJf_TUIyZ9b7yYU9Y

I'm thinking that we should try and keep on the offensive before the armoured column makes an appearance (I'm presuming Christensen would have said if he was expecting friendly reinforcements from Gdansk so the armour must be presumed to be hostile but when I post I'll have Kessler radio the Dane to confirm that).

How does everyone feel about the Krok group attempting to clear the third house (i.e. the one just south of the one we're currently in)? I'm thinking that Benucci, Babicevs, and O'Brien could make the initial breach this time as Kessler and Ferro took the lead the last time. We'll provide cover / follow up (subject to Ferro's wound status).

Alternatively we can regroup in the house we're currently occupying but my worry is that would a) give the armoured column more time to get here and b) give the other side time to regroup as well.

Let me know what you think - if anyone has any other suggestions just shout.

I'll try to get a post up tonight or tomorrow.  If we're going to stay, we can breach first.  We should try to limit grenades we use in case we need them later.

Going back to what Rae said earlier about using a 40mm ILLUM round as an improvised incendiary, does anyone have anything else that we can use to try start a fire in the other house? That way rather than forcing entry (and potentially taking more casualties) we could try and force them out? (Going forward we can look at making some molotov cocktails out of some of the bottles of disel that we have but that doesn't help us now)

I'm going to say that it'll be very unlikely it'll make a fire. It it were dry brush or grass, yeah ok, but a house not likely. It's not like WP or thermite.

I'm glad that Fuse clarified because I was going to suggest trying the illum round thing. If any one has a WP grenade, that should do the trick. Varis, unfortunately, is all out. Maybe there's something in the wooden box. It's my intention for Varis to investigate (carefully) the container once "our" house is secure. Perhaps now would be a good time?

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Frank has some grenades left up to and including a WP.  I'm trying to be as frugal as I can with them.

Was there anything in that closet upstairs and was Varis clearing it?

Fischer's got a 40mmS CS Gas that he hasn't used.  Perhaps they have masks, perhaps not, but fighting with that crap on is no fun.  Of course it means that it will be harder for us if we have to go in and clear them out.  Our militia friends almost certain don't have pro-masks.

I think fire is the best thing to use to get them out. As you say, gas has as many cons as pros.

@Corkman, I understand the wish to keep the WP grenade, but if we have to go in and clear that house we could end up paying in other ways.

What we need to do is set the whole house alight though, and relatively quickly. A slow burn in one room won't really work so I don't know if e a WP grenade would do the job?

If we don't have any options to try and force them out I guess we'll need to try the more direct approach and breach.

Our other option is to pull out, make for Przejazdowo and force the enemy to assault us in the defense, rather than for us to keep assaulting them.  If they opt not to follow us in but instead head for Wilślinka, we mount up and hit them in the rear as they make contact with the HMG team there.

Leaving the remaining forces here on a flank isn't ideal, but they will have wounded on hand, so it will tie them up to some extent.  Again, not ideal, but it beats losing more people trying to clear buildings.

Fire is the best way.

I found a 2nd one that I kept in my LBE buttpack so, I/we have [2] of them plus [2] frags and [1] smoker.

If we breach, I'm going to switch to the SPAS-12 I now have.  If Ferro needs ammo, let me know!

Did Tosh give back Frank his other 75 round drum for his weapon?

OK, so we've got a few options so far.

1. Pull out and head for Przejazdowo, leaving surviving enemy in place

2. Try to breach the third house, which carries a risk of suffering further casualties.

3. Try to force the enemy out of the third house by lobbing both of Frank's WP grenades into it (might be an idea if Varis also puts a 40mm ILLUM round into the upstairs at the same time - I know it probably won't cause any damage but the Russians inside won't know that, all they'll know is that something has gone off upstairs).

There's also the question of what McCarthy's group intend to do. I think Mark's plan to avoid breaching was to fire another CG round at their house although he'll need to confirm that's still his intent.

Does anyone have any preference as to what they want to do?

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Also, I meant to say earlier


This presumes that Babicevs didn't pick up the AK earlier when he was searching the body - I didn't see any indication that he had, he seemed to be concentrating on what was actually on the body, but if he has, strike that part.

Varis didn't pick up any weapons. He was after grenades, ammo for his 74, and other... stuff.

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In reply to Varis Babicevs (msg # 59):

That's what I figured...

I like Fischer's idea.

There may be another way to breach the house.

We could use the BTR to drive through a wall and knock it down. (Fuse, there's some footage on Youtube of Russian troops doing exactly that in Chechnya, so it looks possible?)

We could then go in behind it, hit them from a direction that they don't expect.

The Krok could do that easily without harm to itself, providing it didn't go straight through the house and down into any cellar basements (if there is one).

I'm cool with either idea. If we bug out, a combo of WP and CS should mess with the Ivans in the S. house badly enough to allow us to break contact relatively easily.

If we use the Krok as a battering ram and all clear the S. house together, I like our odds.

Varis only has 3 frags left but he also has two concussion grenades. How're the rest of the dismounts on hand grenades?

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