The other OOC thread is closed. Please carry on here.

Enjoyed reading the vignette, Kessler. Good job.

In reply to Jose Rodriguez (msg # 2):

I concur. Really sharp piece, Kessler.

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Nice vignette!

I'll catch up with posting tonight

Thanks guys.

Corkman,

Sorry to be a pain but please can you do me a favour. When you're replying to other people's posts and need to reference the post in general rather than a specific part of their post, please can you use the "Reply" option rather than the "Quote" option. For example in your last IC post you've quoted most of Kessler's previous IC post and when I try to read it on my phone it gets confusing as to what is actually said by Hank - it looks like Hank is just repeating a load of stuff that has already been said.

Personally I think that the Quote option is best used when you're picking out a specific element of someone else's post.

Hope that's ok with you. It will really help me to follow the IC threads.

Ta mate,

Andy

Is it safe to assume that destroying WA is our next goal? Or are we still considering the other options? I'm not sure what we're doing (in that sense).

In reply to Ferro (msg # 7):

I'm torn between  an op against Warmia and trying to find out what happened to Nowak and the sub - I don't think we ever reached a final decision.

Taking on Warmia is appealing both IC and OOC but trying to solve the mystery of what's happened to Nowak is probably more important strategically.

Oh, and thanks - I think I've been waiting for around three years for someone to mention Friedmann!

So, when Jose asked about intel groups in Gdansk, I thought about mentioning Vincent Wright. He's no longer around, but he was working for the DIA, IIRC. Is that right? Per and Ferro both merc'ed for him for a spell. There are a couple of other mercs who did still in town.

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I try to quote, cut & paste my replies as best I can.

In reply to Henry 'Hank' Voight (msg # 10):

Thanks. Appreciated.

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 8):

I'm happy with either of these options.

I think that this occurred prior to Kessler etc joining.

I think that the only PCs who know about Vincent Wright are:

JJM
Ferro
Per
Billy
Varis

And possibly Tosh. Fuse - please can you remind me. I was playing Ortega at that point but Tosh was recruited during a mission for Wright.

Ta,

Andy

Not a problem!

When I was playing Frank, Oskar was his role model when he first joined up.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:49, Sun 13 Jan 2019.

Yes, Lines would know of him but not very much.

Tosh was recruited in Silesia while the unit was on Wright's mission and then then there for when the Black Madonna was handed over.

But he has very little knowledge of him.

Also, none of the names dropped by Kessler were familiar to anyone here.
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:52, Sun 13 Jan 2019.

That’s correct - neither Kessler nor Walsh know anything about Wright so it will be news to both of them.

I just riffed of this...

Yeah, it was for Corkman who asked if he knew them.

In reply to Fusilier (msg # 15):

Thanks for this.

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 17):

I think that this occurred prior to me joining the game with Mitch.

In reply to David 'Tosh' Lines (msg # 20):

Oh hell, yeah. It's all the way back to chapter 2. I think it's the first meeting with Damien the pimp. Fuse and I had already worked out (literally years ago) that Kessler and Friedmann know each other from before the in game start date and I just riffed off the fact that a German Hauptmann is mentioned getting shot to flesh it out a bit.

If I'm not mistaken, JJM and Varis are the longest-running PCs currently in the campaign. That makes Varis, by seniority, overall second-in-command of the Mad Dogs.

Salute your new XO.

;)

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Have been trying to slowly read the back chapters (on chapter 4 now). My jaw dropped when Oskar shot Jan (the Hind pilot). Seemed like he was a really interesting character.

Updated shopping list:

From the market:
Gun oil
7.62mmL loose rounds
7.62mmS 30rnd mags
5.45mmB 40rnd or 45rnd mags
9mmP rounds
9mmM rounds
Cloth to make black out blinds
Cloth (probably sheets) to make over whites

From the arms dealer contact:
Smoke grenades
7.62mmL belted ammo for a PK
40mmS grenades
40mmN grenades

Items to trade:
57mm HE-T shells x3
Civilian CB WalkieTalkie x1
Eyeglasses x1
Paraffin Wax (125g block) x1

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Cymon - I see that you're back - please can you clarify whether Billy is still using a weapon that fires 40mmN grenades or whether Rodriquez can take all of them that are in the stores?

Ta,

Andy.

Forgot about this

Fuse, can you add to stores (unless the minefield builders want the mines?)

1x POMZ-2 Landmine w/stake and wire
1x POMZ-2 Landmine w/stake and wire (Painted Wood Dummy)
1x Emergency (5 min) Road Flare
1x Miniature Grapple and 25m Cordage*
1x Measuring Tape (6m)
1x First Aid Kit (1 Major use or 2 Minor Uses

(Contents of the pack taken from the dead Russian at the pumphouse)

MIght not be a bad idea since we're talking about it..

Fuse,

With the following I believe that we need to buy them in bulk and therefore by the case. Am I right that the 7.62mmL belts are in cases of 10 belts and the grenades are in cases of 16?

From the arms dealer contact:
Smoke grenades
7.62mmL belted ammo for a PK
40mmS grenades
40mmN grenades

Ta,

Andy

7.62mmL link will be sold as 600 round crates.

Grenades as 16.

That's a good call on the library Mark, using the shelves to create little personal spaces.

Andy I think 2 more white parachutes or equivalent would be good for the Humvees having camo. It pointless if we're only camming the Krok as the Humvees would give away our position.

Re the white oversuits, I'd aim for trying to buy proper white oversuits in the first instance (note there are two in stores already and I think Dietrich said that he had a set as part of his starting gear).

If they're not available, how easy would it be to buy ordinary fatigues and dye them white?

In reply to Fusilier (msg # 28):

Thanks Fuse for the info and Jinny and Dave for the other suggestions.

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Ok, looking at equipment lists a little further, I think that the updated shopping list is now:

From the market:
Gun oil
7.62mmL loose rounds
7.62mmS 30rnd or 40rnd mags
5.45mmB 40rnd or 45rnd mags
9mmP rounds
9mmM rounds
Cloth to make black out blinds
Cloth (probably sheets) to make over whites - or military issue white oversuits if available
40mmS HE, Smoke or Illum grenades - original manufacture rather than Gdansk reloads
40mmN grenades of any type - original manufacture rather than Gdansk reloads
84mm rockets for an RPG-7
White parachutes x2

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Separate to this we have a potential bulk trade with the arms dealer contact and I think that we're looking to buy the following there:

From the arms dealer contact:
Smoke grenades - case of 16 x1
7.62mmL belted ammo for a PK - case of 6x 100rnd belts x3
40mmS HE grenades - case of 16 x2
40mmS Smoke grenades - case of 16 x1
40mmN HE grenades - case of 16 x1

Fuse - does the arms dealer potentially sell 84mm rockets for an RPG-7 and, if so, then are we talking individually or in cases of 3?

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Additional to all of this we wanted to make a donation to Osprey. We talked about that being ammo but I suggested the 16 81mm mortar shells that we have in the stores (with no mortar). Have we reached a decision on that? There was talk about trying to get them to use them in support of us but I think that we decided that was too complicated and impractical so we're just looking at a donation to an ally.

What do we want to do with our donation?

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Fuse - I've been suggesting that we sell the 3x 57mm HE-T shells as you said that they were for an anti aircraft weapon. Do we know of any unit that has whatever fires these shells?

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Please let me know any comments on the above. Are there other things that you think we should try to buy or are there things that you think that we shouldn't be buying. Please speak up, all players included.

Ta,

Andy.

No idea on this myself.

I'd stick with small arms ammo. We don't know what calibre their mortars are so 81mm shells may be no use to them. I'd prefer to keep what we have and if we end up operating with Osprey again we can take some / all of the shells with us and give them to them then, thus boosting the chances of them being used in our direct support.

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Can you add one shot rocket launchers to this list (LAW / RPG 18 etc type)? Last time we got two from the arms factory (albeit refurbished). If they've none can you try the market?

Also, medical supplies are more or less a permanent requirement. I know this is a long, long shot but if you don't ask...

OK, that makes sense.

What small arms ammo do you want to give them? And do you want to take it from our stores or buy it for them.

We currently have:

 - 5.45mmB x3641
 - 7.62mmS x2421


Will do


Will do - I presume you mean at the market?

I'd give them 500 rounds of 5.45.

A) We have more 5.45
B) Without checking, my gut feel is that we have more people using 7.62 so have a greater need for that.


Yep, although I don't think it would do any harm to mention it elsewhere as well, e.g. the factory. Somebody night know somebody that knows somebody.

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One other thing - it would be handy if we could acquire a medic. I know we tried before to get a back up without success but the job market might have changed.

The 57mm AA rounds were taken from a gun at the Przejazdowo Outpost when you captured it. Presumably the new occupants are now using that gun. That's all you probably know.

Osprey does not use 81mm (they use 120mm).

RPG-7 are sold in sets of 3, yes.

Also, as with the last time, Sikora wants at least half payment in diesel. I think it's half anyway, but I can't double check. See my reference that I gave the other day about Sikora if you want to check.

In reply to Jan Czerny (msg # 24):

Andy Billy does have a grenade launcher that uses 40mmN but at this point he has been carrying the RPD and can't lug both at the same time so he is probably OK for grenades as he has 6 40mmN HE. Thanks.

That make sense and you're right about 7.62mmS being more popular.

My apologies - I never got round to posting this. I believe that it's correct but I may need to tweak a couple of NPCs. If anyone spots any mistakes for their characters please say:

5.45mmB - Babicevs, Czerny, Aleksandar, Meyer, Fischer

5.56mmN - McCarthy, Price, Janku

7.62mmS - Kessler, Lines, Voight, Walsh, Schmidt, O'Brien, Rodriguez

7.62mmN - Kolstrup, Fox, Dietrich

7.62mmL - Ferro

9mmP - Kessler, Lines, Voight, Kolstrup, Czerny, Meyer, Schmidt, Dietrich

9mmM - Voight, Fischer, Price

.45 ACP - Babicevs, Walsh

40mmS - Kessler, Babicevs, Czerny, Fischer

40mmN - Rodriguez, O'Brien



I'll add medical supplies to both lists.


Thanks for confirming.

Rodriguez - this means that you're the only potential user of the remaining 40mmN grenades in the stores.

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In reply to Fusilier (msg # 36):

Thanks Fuse.

Revised shopping list is now:

From the market:
Gun oil
7.62mmL loose rounds
7.62mmS 30rnd or 40rnd mags
5.45mmB 40rnd or 45rnd mags
9mmP rounds
9mmM rounds
Cloth to make black out blinds
Cloth (probably sheets) to make over whites - or military issue white oversuits if available
40mmS HE, Smoke or Illum grenades - original manufacture rather than Gdansk reloads
40mmN grenades of any type - original manufacture rather than Gdansk reloads
84mm rockets for an RPG-7
White parachutes x2
One shot rocket launchers
Medical supplies

From the arms dealer contact:
Smoke grenades - case of 16 x1
7.62mmL belted ammo for a PK - case of 6x 100rnd belts x3
40mmS HE grenades - case of 16 x2
40mmS Smoke grenades - case of 16 x1
40mmN HE grenades - case of 16 x1
One shot rocket launchers
84mm rockets for an RPG-7 - case of 3 x2
Medical supplies

Anything else?

The MM-1 worked pretty well for me, but at this point I think I’m more interested in the SM-2. That does remove our immediate requirements for 40mmN, but it probably wouldn’t hurt to make sure we have extras on hand in case someone else wants to take the Hawk and pretend to be Arnold from terminator 2 for a bit(it’s fairly heavy when fully loaded, so just be aware). As for the shopping list, do all of us new guys have knives and civvie clothes? Those could come in handy as well.

Fuse, would you mind adding the following to stores:
1 x MM-1 multi-barreled grenade launcher
1 x 40mmN HEDP
1 x 40mmN Illum

And Jose will take the following from stores:
1 x SM-2 Koncerz
2 x HE koncerz rounds
4 x HEAT koncerz rounds
2 frag grenades

@Mark, you appear to be the only PC using 5.56. How would you feel about switching to a Sov weapon? We have an intact AKM and an intact AK74 in stores (we've no magazines for the AKM but they're already on the shopping list).

If we then do the same with Price we can more or less remove 5.56N from the supply chain (Janku would still need it but he's on detached duty right now and we're bound to acquire another Pact weapon at some point).

Please don't forget about Frank's equipment I posted.  He had an AKM with a flashlight on it, [1] or [2] 75 round drum mags, plus some 30 round AKM mags.  Plus other weapons of destruction...

Done. Remove please.



There's only 1 Frag grenade, the rest are local builds. So the second one will be "Frag Grenade (Local)". Please note that detail in your inventory. Otherwise Done. Add and remove please.

To get the fatigues white you'd have to bleach them a few times which would weaken them. You're better off buying sheets from somewhere

Fuse

Please add the following to stock

5 Frag Grenades
1 L2A3 Sterling SMG 9mmP
6 34 Round Magazines
165 9mmP rounds

Corkman,

Technically, we don't yet know that Frank is dead so it's a little premature so start re-assigning his gear.

Ta,

Andy

JJ can switch to PACT ammo if people want. Also, in consultation with Fuse, Tom was able to fix some of the broken guns so we have two working AK-74s, three working RPK-74s and three working AKMs in stores.

JJ would probably go for an AK-74.

In reply to John Jameson McCarthy (msg # 46):

Up to you really. I just think it would make sense IC to try and reduce the number of calibres that we have – it would make it easier to transfer ammo between PC’s mid firefight if needed and with a Pact weapon there’s probably a better chance of being able to resupply in the field (i.e. loot ammo from dead enemies).

On a meta level it also reduces slightly the book keeping as there would be less stores updates. Your call though.

In reply to John Jameson McCarthy (msg # 46):

I would suggest keeping the M4 on JJM's sheet as a backup at base and carrying an AK. There is appropriate webbing etc in the stores as well.

Re the upcoming activities in Gdansk,

Varis will accompany JJM.

Per has no strong preferences regarding assignment, so please feel free to assign him to whichever party needs him.



Excellent. I suggest we add two of the RPK-74s to our trade bundle, or gift them to Osprey as part of the thank-you package.

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Ok, it sounds like we have four things going on next, just to make Fuse's life simple:

 - Kessler, Ferro and interested parties: Intel in town plus visit to St Marys - Rodriguez has been asked to come along

 - Jan, Walsh and interested parties: Shopping in the market and then delivering some ammo to Osprey

 - McCarthy, Varis and interested parties: Shopping at the arms dealer & visiting LoSA to organise sentries

 - Andropov, Voight, O'Brian and anyone else: setting up mines and digging ditches

Per, Tosh & Price currently floating as potential drivers who stay with vehicles.

Hopefully I've put initial names in the correct places but please say where you'd like your character to go.

Ta,

Andy

Is it okay if my PC draws the following things from stores:

1x   AN/PRC-68 Short Range
150x 7.62mmN, Link
1x   SPAS-12 (Fixed Stock)
15x  12Gauge Slug
29x  12Gauge Buckshot

Also, it might be an idea to issue the two sets of over-whites to scouts/snipers now

The assignments look fine to me. As soon as JJ's done at Skiora he'll get his team back to help with digging.

In reply to John Jameson McCarthy (msg # 52):

In my experience the possibility of coming back from a meeting to do more work is a strong motivating factor to try and make the meeting last longer.    :)

Ok, going back over previous posts I think that the assignments are:

 - Kessler, Ferro, Rodriguez and Per (as driver of new Humvee): Intel in town plus visit to St Marys

 - Jan, Walsh and Price (as driver of Iltis): Shopping in the market and then delivering some ammo to Osprey

 - McCarthy, Varis and Tosh (as driver of old Humvee): Shopping at the arms dealer & visiting LoSA to organise sentries

 - Andropov and Schmidt: improving facilities - this might just be digging ditches at this stage so if Schmidt wants to do something else then please say

 - Voight and O'Brian: setting up mines

What does Dietrich wish to do? The trip to the market could use another person.

Have I forgotten anyone? Does anyone want to do anything different to the above?

Please remember that drivers need to stay with their vehicles as rates of theft in Gdansk are so high no insurer will provide cover......

I'd prefer to add them to the trade bundle.

Note, IC posts are where actions are made.

He wants to go check out the docks and shipyards. If possible he'd like to take Schmidt with him and someone who knows the city.

In reply to Jan Czerny (msg # 54):

I think Ferro would prefer the old Humvee...

Noted. Fuse has asked that we keep it to 3 active groups though so we need to reduce the existing number already. Do you mind if we hold off on this one please?

Additionally there is another option for a boat. I'll post about it in a sec.

No worries. Sorry about that, I've been daft on missing things like that

In reply to Gerhard Dietrich (msg # 60):

Re boats, if you look at the bottom of this plan of the compound there is a partially sunk boat right next to the compound. We looked at it previously IC I believe and it was beyond us to re-float. Schmidt may have the skills to do this however.

That'd be an interesting start if it's not frozen over. Depending on how damaged it is it could probably be floated but recovery might have to wait until it's warmer

In reply to Jan Czerny (msg # 61):

Fuse,

Please can you update is on the status of this boat?

Ta,

Andy

Well, it's been underwater for about 3+ years and in rough shape. If it were to be salvaged and made useful again it would require a fairly significant effort in terms of man hours, equipment, and materials.

If it were easier someone else would have already have done it.

That's fine, just throwing it out there

At some point, Voight would like to go into town and meet u with some of the Marines in the IB.  Setting up mines and doing whatever needs to be done with his injury for now is fine.  HE has no CBE skill or anything like that so, he will follow O'Brien's lead

Schmidt will happily get things going, something simple like this appeals to him.  He will also take a look at that boat and see what he can scrounge from it.

At some point he will want to go shopping for some more clothing and creature comforts but that will wait.  He also needs to get to the hospital at some point.

FYI, when it comes to it the person in/with the Mad Dogs who knows the city best is either an NPC called Aleksandr or Kaminski.

Ok, revised plan for who is doing what:

 - Kessler, Ferro, Rodriguez and Per (as driver of the old Humvee): Intel in town plus visit to St Mary's

 - Jan, Walsh, Schmidt and Price (as driver of the Iltis): Shopping in the market

 - McCarthy, Varis and Tosh (as driver of new Humvee): Shopping at the arms dealer & visiting LoSA to organise sentries

 - Andropov: improving facilities - this will probably be narrated so if any PCs choose to do this they will be effectively doing nothing interactive this turn

Voight, Dietrich and O'Brien, please can you declare what you want to do. Also if someone is assigned incorrectly then please say. This will give Fuse three active threads.

Thanks,

Andy

In reply to Jan Czerny (msg # 69):

Billy is happy to work on the mines as long as he has someone to help given his busted arm. I assume that we still have the following in stores ?

PMN-2 mine x3
C3A1 ELSIE Mines (Case) x12

If so it is probably time they were laid if we have a place for them. If there is time he wouldn't mind going to the arms dealer in the Humvee if there is room.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:32, Tue 15 Jan 2019.

I think that Billy needs to do this in the reverse order, based on when the trip to the arms dealer is happening.

Revised plan:

 - Kessler, Ferro, Rodriguez and Per (as driver of the old Humvee): Intel in town plus visit to St Mary's

 - Jan, Walsh, Schmidt and Price (as driver of the Iltis): Shopping in the market

 - McCarthy, Varis, O'Brien and Tosh (as driver of new Humvee): Shopping at the arms dealer & visiting LoSA to organise sentries

 - Andropov: improving facilities - this will probably be narrated so if any PCs choose to do this they will be effectively doing nothing interactive this turn

Voight and Dietrich, please can you declare what you want to do and, if anyone is assigned incorrectly, then please say.

Ta,

Andy.

In reply to William Schmidt (msg # 44):
In reply to Gerhard Dietrich (msg # 51):

@Dietrich, that radio needs to be listed as: AN/PRC-68 [#X18]

Radios have serial numbers to help keep them from being duplicated.

Deitrich will accompany that crew

In reply to Gerhard Dietrich (msg # 73):

Thanks for this. That just leaves Voight. Depending on which group he chooses we may need to juggle vehicles.

- Kessler, Ferro, Rodriguez and Per (as driver of the old Humvee): Intel in town plus visit to St Mary's

 - Jan, Walsh, Schmidt and Price (as driver of the Iltis): Shopping in the market

 - McCarthy, Varis, O'Brien, Dietrich and Tosh (as driver of new Humvee): Shopping at the arms dealer & visiting LoSA to organise sentries

 - Andropov: improving facilities - this will probably be narrated so if any PCs choose to do this they will be effectively doing nothing interactive this turn

This message was deleted by the player at 19:14, Tue 15 Jan 2019.

Since Billy is going with another group, Hank will go with the St. Mary's/Intel group in the Hummer.  When the get back, if Billy wants help, Hank will help.  Both wounded, they can help each other out around with tasks.

In reply to Henry 'Hank' Voight (msg # 76):

Thanks for this.

That gives us:

- Kessler, Ferro, Rodriguez, Voight and Per (as driver of the old Humvee): Intel in town plus visit to St Mary's

 - Jan, Walsh, Schmidt and Price (as driver of the Iltis): Shopping in the market

 - McCarthy, Varis, O'Brien, Dietrich and Tosh (as driver of new Humvee): Shopping at the arms dealer & visiting LoSA to organise sentries

 - Andropov: improving facilities - this will probably be narrated so if any PCs choose to do this they will be effectively doing nothing interactive this turn

Sikora's deal will be handled off camera here in the OOC.

Also, please make a note at the top of your IC post where or which group your PC is in to help keep everything straight. Thanks.

IIRC, St. Mary's has security that will hold on to visitor's weapons and can be trusted not to steal them, is that correct?

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In reply to Per Kolstrup (msg # 79):

Yeah, the parking area (a public square in front of the building) is secure. Weapons can be trusted not to go missing.

Sheet updated

Fuse,

Please can you let us know the price for this lot and what that will cost in diesel:

From the arms dealer contact:
Smoke grenades - case of 16 x1
7.62mmL belted ammo for a PK - case of 6x 100rnd belts x3
40mmS HE grenades - case of 16 x2
40mmS Smoke grenades - case of 16 x1
40mmN HE grenades - case of 16 x1
One shot rocket launchers
84mm rockets for an RPG-7 - case of 3 x2

Additionally do they have any of the following for sale?
Medical supplies
MRE

Ta,

Andy

It would be easier if you give me a list of total potential items that you are willing to use as payment.

I thought I mentioned it to one of the PC's about trying to get Hank some NVG's when asked about what needed?  I'll deal with it if I can't get them yet.

That reminds me. Is there any expectation for all the PCs to have radios, handheld or otherwise?

Apologies. I missed this and I'll add it to the market trading list.

Please note though that not every PC has NVGs already (Tosh doesn't for a start). There is a broken set of NVGs in the stores that it would be good to get repaired though. Does any character have skill with Electronics?


Likewise with radios not all PCs have them (once again Tosh doesn't) but we do have some spares in the stores I think. If we can get a PC on the radio net then we'll try to do so.

Please note that with electronics I don't think that we've ever been able to buy NVGs or a Radio at the markets.

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My apologies for the confusion - details below.

Firstly the deal with Sikora Armaments. Please can you give us a "price" for each of these that we are looking to buy.

Smoke grenades - case of 16 x1
 - 7.62mmL belted ammo for a PK - case of 6x 100rnd belts x3
 - 40mmS HE grenades - case of 16 x2
 - 40mmS Smoke grenades - case of 16 x1
 - 40mmN HE grenades - case of 16 x1
 - One shot rocket launchers
 - 84mm rockets for an RPG-7 - case of 3 x2

Additionally do they have any of the following for sale? If they do then what and what are the prices?

 - Medical supplies
 - MRE

We are looking to trade diesel with Sikora Armaments for the above. Therefore we have Steel Barrels (200L diesel) and Bottles (1L diesel) for trade. Do you want to work out a $ value for each of the items above and for the diesel and we can then make a call on what of the above we want and how much diesel we want to "sell"?

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Secondly in the market we are looking to "buy" the following:

 - Gun oil
 - 7.62mmL loose rounds
 - 7.62mmS 30rnd or 40rnd mags
 - 5.45mmB 40rnd or 45rnd mags
 - 9mmP rounds
 - 9mmM rounds
 - Cloth to make black out blinds
 - Cloth (probably sheets) to make over whites - or military issue white oversuits if available
 - 40mmS HE, Smoke or Illum grenades - original manufacture rather than Gdansk reloads
 - 40mmN grenades of any type - original manufacture rather than Gdansk reloads
 - 84mm rockets for an RPG-7
 - White parachutes x2
 - One shot rocket launchers
 - Medical supplies
 - NVGs

We therefore need to know the quantities available (if any) and the prices for them.

For this lot we are looking to "sell" the following (Note to all players - if you disagree with selling any of this please speak up as I've added a couple of items):
 - 57mm HE-T shells x3 (What was the AA gun that these were for please? Just as a reference point)
 - Civilian CB WalkieTalkie x1
 - Eyeglasses x1
 - Paraffin Wax (125g block) x1
 - RPK-74 x2 (my understanding is that some of the firearms in the stores have been fixed and Rae suggested trading these two)
 - M16A2/M203
 - P-64 Pistol (with holster) - unless someone wants this as a sidearm

Additionally if we need it we have 17 Gold Bullets that we can also use in the trade but we're rather trade the stuff above first and use the gold bullets if needed. Each one weighs 0.075g (it's just the size of the tip of a bullet rather than a whole round) so that is a total of 1.275kg of gold.

If there is a difference in the values of the trade then we're happy to take the difference in Florins.

Hopefully that helps explain the parameters of the trading but please say if anything doesn't make sense.

Ta,

Andy.

I think Price has been the go to guy for electronics up until now unless any new PC's can help.

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 87):

Billy has tried and failed to repair the NVG's they need a specific part that is unavailable and can't be manufactured.

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In that case, it sounds like we just need to kill more Russians, and take the radios and NVGs off their dead bodies! ;)

In reply to Jose Rodriguez (msg # 89):

Always a good plan.

Billy - thanks for the clarification re the existing NVGs. It sounds like they're best kept as a source of spares for other sets.

Sikora

-Available:
16x HC Smoke
1800x 7.62mmL Link
32x 40mmS HE
16x 40mmN HE
6x RPG-7 HEAT
20x Sikora MRE

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-Requires:
100L Diesel (rounded)

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I'll hold off on the market trade until there's IC posts and I know how the effort is attempted.
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:10, Wed 16 Jan 2019.

In reply to Fusilier (msg # 91):

Thanks for this info.

Some questions:

16x HC Smoke - I presume that these are newly manufactured?

1800x 7.62mmL Link - Are these reloads and how good quality do the links look to be?

32x 40mmS HE - are these reloads?

16x 40mmN HE - are these reloads?

6x RPG-7 HEAT - are these originals or newly manufactured?

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As a player I'm not sure if this deal is any good or not. I'll have a look through the old posts to try to get a benchmark but if any other player has a view then please say.

Ta,

Andy

Smoke - prewar
7.62mmL Link - prewar+reloads (but I'm not keeping track for small arms ammo)
40mmS HE - reloads
40mmN HE - reloads
RPG-7 HEAT - good quality

You aren't getting ripped off. The items are just expensive and you aren't going to get a better deal elsewhere.

@All, I'm slowly catching up on admin stuff. I'd like everyone to review their PC listings here and confirm back that the information here is correct. Please note radio serial numbers.

Also, generic NVGs in inventories default to AN/PVS-7 in case your wondering





As of 0600hrs December 2

*** Night Vision Devices ***                                 CHARGING/BORROW

Aleksandar  -                                 -              -
Andropov    -                                 -              -
Anna        -                                 -              -
Babicevs    > Kalinka Pn-14K Gen2 (1AA)     14/14            -
Ferro       > Kalinka Pn-14K Gen2 (1AA)     13/13            -
Fox         > AN/PVS-4 Scope Gen2 (2AA)     10/10            -
Kolstrup    -                                 -              TBC
Krupp       -                                 -              -
Janku       > 4x Day/Night Sight (2AA)      19/19            -
Fischer     -                                 -              -
Kessler     > Kalinka Pn-14K Gen2 (1AA)     10/10            -
Lines       -                                 -              -
Majchrzak   -                                 -              -
McCarthy    > AN/PVS-7 Gen3 (2AA)           10/10            -
Meyer       -                                 -              -
O'Brien     > NVS-7 Gen3 (2AA)              13/13            -
Walsh       -                                 -              -
Price       -                                 -              -
Janacek     > AN/PVS-5 Gen2 (2AA)           12/12            -
Dietrich    > AN/PVS-7 Gen3 (2AA)           12/12            -
Rodriguez   > AN/PVS-7 Gen3 (2AA)           14/14            -
Voight      -                                 -              -
Schmidt     > AN/PVS-7 Gen3 (2AA)           10/10            -
*Stores     > IR NODLR System (LARGE PACK)  12/12            -
*Stores     > AN/PVS-7 Gen3 (2AA)             -              [BROKEN]
*Stores     > AN/PVS-4 Scope Gen2 (2AA)      -/-             -

*** Radios ***							

Aleksandar  -                                 -              -
Andropov    >                                 -              -
Anna        -                                 -              -
Babicevs    > R-126 [#X05] (2/5km)            1xPACK (8/8)   -
Ferro       > AN/PRC-139 [#X03] (2km)         8xAA (11/11)   -
Fox         > Cougarnet PRC6515 [#X06] (2km)  1xPACK (4/4)   -
Kolstrup    > AN/PRC-139 [#X09] (2km)         8xAA (10/10)   -
Krupp       -                                 -              -
Janku       -                                 -              -
Fischer     > SEM-52S [#X07] (2.5km)          8xAA (7/7)     -
Kessler     > Cougarnet PRC6515 [#X12] (2km)  1xPACK (12/12) -
Lines       -                                 -              -
Majchrzak   -                                 -              -
McCarthy    > AN/PRC-68 [#X10] (2.5km)        9xAA (10/10)   -
Meyer       -                                 -              -
O'Brien     > SEM-52S [#X02] (2.5km)          8xAA (10/10)   -
Walsh       -                                 -              -
Price       -                                 -              -
Dietrich    > AN/PRC-68 [#X18]                9XAA (-/-)     -
Rodriguez   -                                 -              -
Voight      > PH-26 Phantom [#X19]            8xAA (12/12)   -
Schmidt     -                                 -              -
Janacek     > SEM 52-SL [#X15]                8xAA (12/12)   -
*Stores     > R-159 Manpack [#Y02] (3/12km)   1xPACK (-/-)   -
*Stores     > AN/PRC-77 Manpack [#Y03) (8km)  1xPACK (7/7)   -
*Stores     > AN/PRC-77 Manpack [#Y01) (8km)  1xPACK (7/7)   *NO CARRY PACK*
*Stores     > Chinese Tactical [#X11] (2km)   8xAA (-/-)     -
*Stores     > SEM-52S Tactical [#X16]         8xAA (-/-)     -
*Stores     > AN/PRC-68 Tactical [#17]        8xAA (-/-)     -

*** Other ***							

Aleksandar  -                                  -             -
Andropov    > Flashlight (2D)                 4/6            -
Anna        -                                  -             -
Babicevs    -                                  -             -
Ferro       > Flashlight (2AA)                2/10           -
Fox         -                                  -             -
Kolstrup    -                                  -             -
Krupp       -                                  -             -
Janku       > Flashlight (2AA)               11/11           -
Fischer     > Flashlight (2D)                14/16           -
Kessler     > Flashlight (2AA)               11/11           -
Lines       > Flashlight (2D)                16/21           -
Majchrzak   -                                  -             -
McCarthy    > Flashlight (2D)                10/21           -
Meyer       -                                  -             -
O'Brien     > Flashlight (2D)                12/21           -
Walsh       -                                  -             -
Price       > Flashlight (2AA)                6/6            -
Janacek     > Flashlight#1 (?)                TBD            -
Janacek     > Flashlight#2 (?)                TBD            -
Dietrich    > Flashlight (2D)                 6/6            -
Rodriguez   > Flashlight (2D)                 3/3            -
Voight      > Flashlight (AA)                 5/5            -
Schmidt     > Flashlight (2D)                 8/8            -

This message was last edited by the GM at 01:33, Thu 17 Jan 2019.

Jose’s electronics are correct.

GM - Thanks
This message was last edited by the GM at 01:17, Thu 17 Jan 2019.

Yes O'Brien's are correct.

GM - Thanks
This message was last edited by the GM at 01:33, Thu 17 Jan 2019.

Bill's gear looks right

GM - Thanks
This message was last edited by the GM at 01:45, Thu 17 Jan 2019.

Ferro Good.

Per's good.

Varis hasn't carried that manpack radio for the last few missions, so it's probably still in stores.

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Hank appears to be good at this time

In reply to Fusilier (msg # 94):

Jan's electronics are correct. Please note that the two flashlights he has are both civilian ones that use 2AA batteries each (at a guess).

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Tosh's electronics are also correct.

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A question for you. Dietrich's radio that he's just taken from the stores (#X18) has no battery rating for it. Does that mean that it currently has no batteries and we need to get some for it before he can start using it?

Based on this info above I think that the deal below is worth taking:


Anyone object to saying that this deal is done?

Walsh has a radio.


X16 is listed on the stores thread has as having been assigned to McCarthy (msg 6) but McCathy is also listed as having X10 (Msg 8).

He also has a flashlight. I can't remember where he picked that up, although I'm tempted to think it might have been something to do with the first encounter with the pirates, aboard Valeska's barge.

Kessler's look fine.

Walsh also has a spare AN/PRC 126 radio battery in his personal inventory.

Deitrich's is correct

Unfortunately I think that we need to get him batteries so that the radio works.

Ahh, I assumed they had batteries.

We aren't using rechargeables?

Yes, JJ has two radios, it allows him to work on two nets at once.

As to feeding the LOSa.

yes, it is generous but look at the game benefits we are getting. This way we aren't so tied to camp and can keep campaigning without worrying so much about coming back to find our stash nicked. It's apparent that no-one wants to roleplay sticking around camp and fixing it up and pulling security. That makes sense as its a military thriller RPG not a G4S sim.

However, we're playing in a brutal environment and if we ignore the basics we'll regret it. Much of the loot has been spent on these intangibles and we benefit from being able to rest up, stay well fed and roleplay exciting things rather than freezing to death whilst dying of dysentry.

It does mean we get less to spend on shiny toys but they don't seem to be available anyway.

We are but they wear out as well, partly because we don't have perfect recharging facilities.

Should I assume the radio I have is non-functional?

In reply to Gerhard Dietrich (msg # 110):

We need to find you 9AA batteries I believe. That's not impossible.

Fuse - please can we add AA batteries to the market shopping list?

Yeah there's still time to add to the list.

I thought there were spare batteries in the stores but I just looked and there aren't. I guess they were used up.
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:13, Thu 17 Jan 2019.

Riedel's gear as per below if anyone wants anything - note this does not include unit medical supplies (which will go to the new medic if we ever get one)

Fatigues, Cold Weather, Soviet Army TTsKO Woodland Camo 1.4
Combat Helmet, Kevlar, w/ TTsKO Woodland Camo cover         1.5
Kevlar Vest (6B3) Olive Drab                                 3.8
Pattern 2 Lifchik Chest Rig, OD                                 0.7
Gloves, wool                                                 0.1
Notebook / Pen                                                 0
Cigarette Lighter, disposable                                 0
Camo facepaint                                                 0.2
Energy Bar                                                 0.1
Coffee, single serving                                          0
Mini Screwdriver                                                0
5 x unmarked pills wrapped in a handkerchief

Chest Rig contents
Gas Mask Pouch                                                 0.2
Gas Mask                                                  1
Canteen Carrier                                                 0.1
Canteen, 1 liter, water                                         1.3
AK Mag Pouch, Double                                         0.1
AKS 74U Mag (30 rnds 5.45 x 39mm) x 2                         1
AK Mag Pouch, Double                                         0.1
AKS 74U Mag (30 rnds 5.45 x 39mm) x 2                      1
AK Mag Pouch, Double                                         0.1
AKS 74U Mag (30 rnds 5.45 x 39mm) x 2                         1
Grenade Pouch                                                 0
Grenade, Fragmentation                                  0.5
Grenade Pouch                                                 0
Grenade, Smoke (Red) (M18)                                 0.5
Utility  Pouch                                                 0.2
Utility  Pouch                                                 0.2
Bayonet                                                         0.5
Utility  Pouch                                                 0.2
Flashlight                                                 0.2
1x AN/PRC-126 Hand Radio [#X13]

Holster                                                         0.2
Tokarev TT-33 Pistol /w 8 rnd magazine, 7.62mmT
8 rnd magzine, 9mm M x 2                                        0.4


Rucksack
Fatigues, Extreme Cold Weather, TTsKO Woodland Camo                 1.7
Oversuit, Soviet Army Gorka pattern, TTsKO Woodland Camo, Waterproof 1
Personal Hygiene Kit                                                 1
Sleeping Bag, 5 Season Did Dietrich already get this?             2.1
Shelter Half w/poles, OD                                         1
Bedroll                                                          4
Mess Kit                                                         0.5
Gun cleaning kit                                                 0.3
Hand Sanitizer, 35 ml                                                 0
CD Player, personal                                                 0.3
8 CD's                                                                 0.8
2 Spare batteries (AA)                                          0
Entrenching Tool Pouch                                                 0.2
Entrenching Tool (Saperka)                                         0.75
This message was last edited by the player at 14:48, Sun 20 Jan 2019.

Re compound security:

So it looks like Marian help will be too expensive. Will LOSA take the job for room and board? I doubt it but, ff they do, it ties us even closer to one particular faction. I like LOSA but, in the long-run, we might not want to hitch our wagon to the LOSA horse.

What are we hoping to gain, security-wise? If we're talking protection from a determined military assault, then probably nothing we arrange is going to be effective. If we're talking protection from thieves or a small-scale bandit attack, then perhaps we already have what we need in-house.

I didn't trust them at first but, as far as we know, the civies currently living in the compound haven't screwed us over yet. Once we've rigged their building with electricity, they've have even less reason to even consider betraying us. I propose that we select and train a handful of the civies to run security while we're on ops. We can leave a Mad Dog NPC or wounded PC behind to run the security crew.

In the long run, it's the cheapest solution.

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Added to Dietrich's list

In reply to Per Kolstrup (msg # 114):

While I’ve no particular objection to trying to use the civilians already within the compound, I am concerned that we’ve already made the pitch to LoSA. I’m worried that we’re not going to look particularly reliable allies if we try to walk back on that now.

Have removed from Riedel's gear.

In reply to Per Kolstrup (msg # 114):

I'm a little confused which civilians you're meaning. Are you meaning Kaminski's crew? Or area you meaning the people who are starting to live in the nearby school? Or do they work for Kaminski as well? With both of them we need to get our heads around how many potential sentries there are as some of them already have jobs.

We may also need to acquire more weapons to arm the sentries if they don't come with their own weapons, though that's just a question of time and active looting equipment retrieval with us.

I like the LoSA option personally but I can be persuaded. Aren't we fairly invested/linked with them already?

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 113):

What are the CDs? Tosh might have some of them if they're a bit more modern than the Beatles! <G>

In reply to David 'Tosh' Lines (msg # 119):

LOL...I would be vaguely surprised if most of them were up his street


Feel free to riff eastern European classical composers of choice...

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 120):

"Fuck that shit!" commented Tosh after reviewing the CDs. "I ain't even heard of some of these bands. I bet it's fuckin' euro pop. Or some of that fuckin' Eurovision shit!"

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Tosh is all culture! :)

In reply to David 'Tosh' Lines (msg # 121):

Hey, nothing wrong with Gina G.

And who can forget Nena on the Old Grey Whistle Test...

I remember 99 Red Baloons but not her on the Old Grey Whistle Test.

In that case, disregard my suggestion. If LOSA turns us down, though, please reconsider.

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In reply to Per Kolstrup (msg # 124):

Sorry, not trying to be awkward, I just think we’ve hit a sort of point of no return with LoSA. Maybe we can look at how best to use the civies to increase our own food production? I don’t know if we have any and that we can cultivate?

As a thought.

If we have the food we might want the civilians to start making sandbags out of old curtains so they're ready in time for the thaw and we can dig properly

Just wanted to comment that I’m fine with a little rp’ing back at the compound, so long as it doesn’t prevent us from going on various expeditions. The way things seem to be going is solid - a couple of days back at camp in between missions feels right, regardless of my earlier eagerness to kill more Russians. :)

Also, re: Nina Hagen. I don’t know what happened to her, but she had a wild track with KMFDM back in 99 or so about alien abduction KMFDM - Witness). Word has it she was super drunk throughout recording. Interesting lady...

In reply to Jose Rodriguez (msg # 127):

Different person I think. This Nena refers to a (West) German singer called Nena.

She had a number 1 in the UK in the early 80's with this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZ1TQYjCwYc

There were English and German language versions.

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 128):

Oh man, you’re totally right. I had to look it up because I always thought it was the same person. Both from Germany. Apparently Nena formed her group in the city of Hagen, which just adds to the confusion. Thanks for the correction.

When I was in Germany in March of 2016, there were posters all over the place for a Nena tour/show. I guess she's still doing her thing and pretty popular with the Germans.

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Hank will respectfully request the above [2] items as long as the rest approve?

Marketplace


Available:

3x Gun Oil (x5 uses ea.)
100x 7.62mmL
125x 9mmM
45x 9mmP
10x 5.45mmB Mags
10x 7.62mmS Mags
3x Overwhites Set (Top & Bottom)
1x Overwhites (Bottom)
1x Civilian Parka (White)
1x Civilian Thermal Ski/Snowmobile Suit (White)
4x Equivalent materials for Overwhites sets
Materials for 50% of blackout blinds needs
8x AA Batteries
2x Field Dressings (Postwar)
25 Florin
Finder Fee

Cost:

3x 57mm HE-T
1x Eyeglasses
2x RPK-74
1x M16A2/M203
1x P64 w/holster
1x Paraffin Wax Block
1x Civilian Walkie Talkie

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Some items you want are limited and you have all that's there. Otherwise the list is the most you can get for your payment (Florin making up the difference).

Accept?

In reply to Fusilier (msg # 132):

Thanks for this.

What capacity are the 7.62mmS and 5.45mmB mags?

We were after:

 - 7.62mmS 30rnd or 40rnd mags
 - 5.45mmB 40rnd or 45rnd mags

Also please can I double check how many RPK-74s we have? I know that some got repaired but have I cocked up and are we trading them all away at the same time as we're trading for extended mags designed for an RPK-74.

Also when you say Finders Fee are you meaning that that is covered by the trade?

Ta,

Andy

The magazines were 30 round capacities. There were no extended types.

There are 2 RPK-74.

Finder's fee is payment to the guys who did the legwork and combined transaction. Otherwise you need to track it all down yourself and trade for things individually.

In reply to Fusilier (msg # 134):

OK, we don't need the 30rnd 5.45mmB mags as we have 25 of them in the stores so please can we take additional Florins instead? Besides that the deal looks fine to me.

Yeah ok.

In reply to Fusilier (msg # 136):

Superb. We'll do the market deal as well.

How many extra Florins do we get? Just in case Schmidt or Walsh spot anything that they want to buy?

Sorry, its probably a bit late in the day for the market, but Billy was also looking for the following:

L1A1 rifle, bipod and L2A2 SUIT optic or bare rifle
G3 magazines, scope and mount, bipod or G3 rifle with these bits
7.62mmN armour piercing M61 or M993
M34 WP and ANM-14 Thermite grenades
Rifle Grenades - NATO or USSR
Demo gear, M5 Pressure-release firing devices, M10 Universal Destructors, M605 Trip Fuses, M81 shock tube Igniters, TNT blocks, C4 blocks or Russian equivalent.

Thanks.

The main deal is done but I'll see what Jan can do.

In reply to Jan Czerny (msg # 139):

I was assuming that the group Billy was in still had a visit to the arms dealer so he/they may get lucky.... Thanks.

We need a back hoe. There should be plenty around.

EDIT: Something I've noticed about this place is that everything's built on sand. Any construction in the map shows just a big sandy patch. This sort of makes it obvious why people don't grow things in most of the areas of Gdansk
This message was last edited by the player at 10:08, Sat 19 Jan 2019.

How do you read stuff before Chapter 12?

FYI this turn is going to be delayed a little longer. I may be offline until Sunday or Monday.

Fuse, no worries.

Chalkline - on the main game screen with the list of threads, if you look in the bottom right corner you'll be able to look at the other pages of threads.

Ta,

Andy

In reply to Jan Czerny (msg # 144):

Thanks
(You guys have put in a LOT of miles)

Did we have anything in our Intel (or other threads) about the Awakening?

When done at St. Mary's, Hank would ask about the location of the IB

Are y'all following the news from Gdansk? Big funeral today at St. Mary's for the murdered mayor.

I've never been to Gdansk (closest I've got is Krakow), but it feels like I have because of TMDA.

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I did catch this on my local news this past week that the mayor of the town was stabbed

@Fuse, there's still quite a lot of Riedel's gear available. Do you want to pass any of it on to Anna? (I'm presuming everyone else might struggle to fit in to the clothes)

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Yeah, followed it on and off at the time it happened. Didn't see the funeral though.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:54, Sun 20 Jan 2019.

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 113):
From Riedel's gear, I realized I don't have a gas mask & carrier.  Would it be OK if Hank claims this as well?

Hey all,

Sorry, this is going to take a couple more days. I had laser eye surgery done and everything is still too blurry to look at a screen for more than a minute or two.

I'll try again tomorrow, or at the least reply to PMs.
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:38, Tue 22 Jan 2019.

In reply to Fusilier (msg # 151):

Take all the time you need, better not rush anything to do with your eyes.

In reply to Fusilier (msg # 151):

Is it normal for your eyesight to be blurry after laser eye surgery?

Don't rush anything mate. Take all the time you need to recover. We'll still be here.

Andy

In reply to Fusilier (msg # 151):

To Fuse:

Definitely take as long as you need. Awesome to hear that you got eye surgery, and I hope it all went smoothly.

To everyone:

Just thinking out loud about our next mission. I know we've already considered locating Nowak and going after WA, but I think we might have some other solid options open to the unit as well:

• Try to find intel on a cache of medicine. While there might simply be not any other medicine out there, if there is then it could do the Marians, and Gdansk, a world of good. Jose might ask Sergei about this in the next turn to see if he's heard any rumors.
• Based on the recent intel gathered, it sounds like the soviets to the south are starting to get into a tight spot. Orunia especially, while still having over 100 men, appears to be having some issues with poor food, lack of fuel, and morale. If we could launch a sneak attack to destroy some of their food stores, and/or their reserve of fuel, it might be enough to either break the unit entirely or at least put their offensive operations on hold for the time being. This in turn could free up some of Osprey to help in other areas. Just a thought.
• Scrounging through the shipyards. With our two new sailors, it might make sense to see what all is available on the river. With some luck, we might be able to get a boat up and running.

*edited to include Gerhard's suggestion.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:13, Wed 23 Jan 2019.

If no one wants to do a mission as such we could even do a scrounging patrol through one of the shipyards. They're awesome terrain.

Goodvluck with the eyes Fuse, got mine done a few years back and best thing I have ever done for myself.  Still waiting for the laser vision though...

Bill would be keen to do some scrounging in the shipyards.

Which shipyards are you suggesting scrounging from? Aren't they all either controlled by the Fisherman's Union or thoroughly scrounged already?

A better target for scrounging might be the airport but we'll need more NBC suits.

In reply to Jan Czerny (msg # 157):

Yea I think that's been confirmed, pretty much the whole city is controlled by various factions so getting access to places is fairly impossible. There was the island in the river that we did ok from last time and I think that had some docks etc...

As for medical supplies the only thing close to that was the barge wreck with the red cross painted on it which is a couple of days drive out of the city on the coast. We did not investigate it as we did not have a boat and its a long haul with little to no potential pay off.

I'm not opposed to a raid on Orunia at some point in time. We might need to do a recce first to try and get a better idea of conditions on the ground (or, at the very least, see if we can get more intel locally which confirms what we already know). But I'm definitely happy to explore the possibility. The idea of 'liberating' their CO's Ford Bronco particularly appeals. It might give us a bit of kudos if people see it going about Gdansk - "Look, that's the Mad Dogs. They stole their command vehicle from the Russians when they kicked their asses at Orunia."

Is this worth investigating further? Maybe in the spring and once we have a boat of some kind?

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EDIT - just to remind everyone about the partially sunk boat next to our compound. That could be a much better salvage/scrounging project. Even if it isn't feasible to re-float it and get it going again it may be worth scrounging parts or scrap from it.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:19, Wed 23 Jan 2019.

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 159):

I agree that we need to recce Orunia before we plan an op against them.

I suspect that we'll need allies as well to support us.

Cymon, one question for you as I was wondering. Why such a specific rifle for Billy? What's special about it?

Ta,

Andy

In reply to Jan Czerny (msg # 162):

It was his issued weapon until he dropped it to the bottom of the river, he still has a magazine load out for it. Actually the two rifles are not that important as he has the MG now, but it would be nice to see whats out there. Thanks.

I was thinking what is now the Conrad Shipyard next to the Drakkar Rowing Club to the east of us. It's over 850m long. Large scale things, difficult to move, would be welder-banks, gun mounts and steel.

I'm pretty sure I asked Fuse about that location. It makes stuff for drilling platforms now I think. If I remember rightly, he said it had been stripped. If he didn't say that I'm sure he said there was nothing there worth looting.

Have I remembered correctly, Fuse? If not it would be a good location.

Also, if people look back on the last local salvage mission we did there were things we didn't move like large fuel storage tanks that people might have a use for now. Of course, someone else might have nabbed them first.

I would be extremely reluctant to attack Orunia without a thorough recce first. That of course is a good premise for our next mission.

Understood. Thanks for clarifying.


That's an interesting one. It's across the river so my understanding is that the area is outside the territory of any major player in the city. From memory the LoSA map markers in the area are old from when we went to assist the community based there against raiders (Fuse, please can you confirm?). I think that the community there was called the "Forest Community" and that is also the community that Fischer has gone to train as a militia (mostly for their own self protection).

If the above is correct then it's probably worth a look at the Conrad Shipyard at some point. I would expect that it has been salvaged already but it may be that someone with more knowledge of ships could spot something of value. If that is something of significant size though then we might need to involve Kaminski and his haulage capabilities.

Another similar possibility is Ostrow island (which Cymon mentioned). That's opposite the Fishermans League docks so that's more likely to have been thoroughly searched already but the place looks to be massive and we had some success searching it before. That will require a boat though.

I haven’t looked at a map but if you’re looking at the territory controlled by Forest City the situation may be a little more complicated. As far as I know there’s some tension between the Forest City people and the Merchant Union, so any operations in that area might end up on the MU’s radar and potentially cause conflict between us and them.

Also, to the best of my knowledge Fischer hasn’t gone anywhere yet and it’s not 100% confirmed that he will go to Forest City (for reasons stated above).

We've been solidly warned away from Forest City. Sending Fischer is pretty much the most we can do without triggering more angst with the MU.

I thought that the Konrad Shipyard was to the left of us as we look north. That's the area I think Fuse said had been cleared. If it's somewhere else it might not be.

I'm pretty sure the Ostrow shipyards are claimed by the Fishing league. We're fairly OK with them so we might get permission to salvage there at a price.

I can't remember where the Forest City village actually is but the MU distillery is on the western side of this area and the Conrad Shipyards are in the south east corner. They are over the bridge from the compound and then head east along the river. I thought that it was unclaimed territory but I'm sure that the MU would disagree.

EDIT - I've found the local inhabitants tag on the map now and Forest City looks to be north east from the Conrad Shipyards.
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Also have we ever scouted the old fire station to the NW of the compound?

Guys, what are we hoping to accomplish with a nautical salvage op?

Assuming we are able to salvage anything of value, which I think is pretty unlikely (read on), what are we going to do with it?

Wouldn't the FU, which relies on boats for its livelihood, have already removed anything useful from the wrecks in its AO?

Wouldn't some of the wrecks in the harbor be irradiated? IIRC, in Fuse's Gdansk a nuke hit the harbor area.

I don't think we have much dive equipment, if any, nor do we have a decent floating platform. Consequently, salvaging anything that isn't right out in the open, dry, and easily transportable in a small boat* is going to be prohibitively difficult, if not impossible.

I'm not trying to be a killjoy or poop on anybody else's ideas and desires, but I just don't see the value in a cost-benefit analysis of a nautical salvage op. I don't think the payoff will be worth the effort.

That all said, if the unit has some time between ops and folks really want to try to do some salvage work, I can't object.


*Almost certainly these sorts of items would already have been removed.

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In reply to Per Kolstrup (msg # 171):

Unfortunately I think that you might be right.

That's why I suggested the half submerged boat right next to the compound. It may be a non starter but it's certainly worth the time to check out.

I was thinking, given time and luck, the Dogs could own a vessel about the size of a tug for river and coastal ops. Dietrich is a Baltic sailor and can navigate the coast. This means we could go check Gydinia out for ourselves.

The submerged boat definitely needs a look into as you have said.

That would be awesome. I just think we should temper our expectations because,

A. A functioning vessel would already be in use by the FL or MU,

and

B. A non-functioning vessels would take a lot of time and resources to restore to working order, especially if its currently in a submerged or semi-submerged state.

And, do we have the time and resources to invest in such a project?

The odds are against us.

But yeah, hopefully we get real lucky.

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I could be wrong, but I think we also discussed a while ago the meta level problems that would be caused if we had a functional boat capable of trips into the Baltic. It means we're no longer 'stranded' in Gdansk if we can make it to Bornholm Island (Denmark), Rugen Island (Germany), or even Rostock. Even going east after the 8th is also problematic - we definitely had that conversation a while ago and established that some of us have characters for whom going east makes no IC sense.
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I've just been talking about this over at the Juhlan forum.

Sooner or later characters will get into contact with higher command and ask for orders. While the first thought would be 'fall back to x location' there are quite a few other possibilities. Such a one might be to gather stragglers, achieve certain goals in the area that HQ has or even just stay in place as an asset for future use.

Getting hold of a boat sounds like a great idea but it comes with some complications, as do all vehicles. For a start it would restrict Dietrich and Schmidt to staying on board unless we were able to recruit additional NPC crew members so that they could get off. I've played a number of Firefly/Serenity style games where the pilot character is almost always never allowed to get off the ship because they're critical for flying it. The same will happen with a boat and we already have this issue to some extent with the other vehicles. Rae had it set up well in his Pirates game where all of the boat crew were NPCs except for the Captain who was a secondary PC.

It's also worth noting that the intel on Gydinia is that it's the base for what remains of the Polish Navy. Sailing in there sounds very risky, though some kind of recce operation sounds like it would be a lot of fun to play.


My original thought (when I was playing Ortega and originally suggested this) was that we could float the boat, use it a bit and then trade it to someone else. That was before we had characters with proper naval experience though and could make proper use of it.


There is a point coming with the timeline of this game where it will make sense IC for a number of the Mad Dogs to leave Gdansk and head off in different directions. That is months away in game time and therefore years away in real life but it will come eventually.

There are some characters that will want to head east to find the 8th, some characters who will want to head west to try to get back to NATO "lines" and some characters who will probably want to stay in Gdansk. Adding a sea worthy boat into that mix will simply add another option, though it's an option that might be usable before land travel is possible due to the weather.

In my opinion this is very much an issue we don't need to worry about however, because, by the time it becomes relevant, we'll have played this game for several more years and a number of the characters will be different anyway. A sea worthy boat will bring this point forward though.


The definition of "higher command" is an interesting one in this situation. The CO of the IB is Colonel Hawthorne from the US Marines (I believe, though I'm not sure if he's still alive) and we've not taken formal orders from him.

Your suggestions for potential orders from higher commend are interesting options though.

This is all probably moot. Without a shipyard, raising a hulk and returning it to seaworthy condition is just not realistic.

As for higher command, this is Twilight 2000 guys. Did you really join this T2K game to follow orders from some off-screen entity? In the RPG world, isn't that called "railroading"? So much for player agency. Personally, I'd rather be a part of a group that calls its own shots.

If you expect HQ to order your PCs to come home, and want to follow those orders, effectively leaving the campaign area that our GM has worked so hard to develop, well then...

Bye.

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I'm with Rae. One of the key aspects of T2K for me is the whole 'Good luck, you're on your own' vibe. The last thing that I want to do is be following orders from some sort of higher command. As Andy has already pointed out, if that were the case we should have already placed ourselves under International Brigade command as they have the senior NATO officers in Gdansk, discarding player agency in the process.

What I meant is that HQ should have a reason for not directing a team back to them that makes sense for the campaign. This way we can interact with them rather than have to avoid them for that reason.

It's probably best to focus on what we're going to do next, once we finish the trades etc.

I think that the following have been suggested as options/ideas to be considered:

 - Taking on Warmia Awakening

 - Doing a recce of Orunia to see if a raid is feasible

 - Trying to find Nowak and her sub (though this seems to be a dead end at present)

 - Salvage mission to the Conrad Shipyards

 - Salvage mission to the airport to look for jet fuel

Have I missed anything? Is there anything that should be added to the list of ideas?

From looking on the map I might have another one. What do we know about the warlord controlling Brzezno and the community there? Is he someone we want to depose so that the community there can become allied to Gdansk?

Fuse - is Brzezno the place where Ortega picked up Krupp on the request of Vincent Wright?

Is there any benefit in this one? What are we going to do with jet fuel? It's not like we can sell it to anyone (except maybe the Russian Air Force!).

Does it have any other uses?

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 182):

Fuse told me the following:


Personally I think that it's one we leave until we need funds for something. But in the meantime collecting up NBC gear might be a good idea.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-8
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In reply to Jan Czerny (msg # 183):

In considering the jet fuel, I agree it's probably something for us to leave alone for now. Not only is there the NBC suit situation, it seems like we already have enough gas for what we use as well as for trade. At least for now. If we're just looking for funding, I'm sure we can think of other, less radiologically impaired ways to acquire it. :)

Regarding the salvaging operation, what everyone is saying makes sense. Given the nautical skills of Gerhard/Schmidt, I can understand why they might be interested in pursuing such an endeavor - so that their characters can be used to effect the work for which they're perhaps best suited? At the same time, from an IC standpoint it seems like salvaging anywhere in the immediate vicinity might not make the most sense. I don't think any of us know what Fuse has planned for the future, but perhaps those skillsets will become useful in other, less expected ways?

Ultimately, I'm good with any of the options mentioned - they all could prove to be a lot of fun.

Has anyone gone over and had a look at the refinery to see how much of it is left? I assume it's guarded by someone

Refinery is in no man's land. It's bombed and burned out, just twisted and rusting metal and cracked open fuel tanks. Only suitable for small level scavenging and risky.



Yes, same place. Where that shipping container washed in on the beach. Warlord is probably too glamorous name for the guy. He's just a petty strongman and he's probably one of half a dozen or more others. That whole western half of Gdansk is sparsely populated and considered lawless from the standard of what you're used to in Gdansk. Those neighborhoods suffered the worse from nuclear and other damage.




That's accurate. The people of Gdansk, including the Polish military when they were here, had 2 or even 3 years head start on this. Anything possibilities that are still left would be serious time and resource investments.



You haven't. That's close to the "Hook" community, which is located at the end of the little peninsula located further NW from the fire station, but safe to assume not part of their territory. There's a small FL controlled community and shipyard there.

Also, regarding Conrad Shipyards, yes, what you've found is probably it. It's west or southwest of Forest City, about halfway between them and the compound. It's inactive.

When plotting our next move, I think we should ask what could be of most benefit to Gdansk's independence. Second, what is in our realistic capabilities?



Would removing WA improve Gdansk's security and ability to defend itself from the bigger threat (i.e. the besieging PACT forces)? If so, it's a target that we're fairly confident that we have the ability to eliminate. We have learned that it is growing, though, so if we're going after them, we should do so sooner rather than later.

Orunia certainly fits the bill, in terms of degrading PACT capabilities, but can we tackle it with a reasonable hope of success? A recon to determine how feasible a target it is vis-a-vis our current capabilities is a must. If it looks like a nut that we have a decent chance to crack, I say we should go for it. How many more bloody noses are the besieging forces going to take before they decide Gdansk isn't worth the trouble?

My campaign memory isn't great but we've already...

• Hit an artillery park
  
• Taken out a Hind attack helicopter
  
• Stopped a local offensive (our last mission)
  
• Destroyed an outpost

I'm sure that we've done more damage than this. My thinking is that raiding Oruna just might be the straw that broke comrade camel's back. It may be worth a shot.

@Dietrich and Schmidt: To clarify, I'm all in favor of finding a boat that we can salvage and return to operating condition. It would be useful to have another means of local transportation. My point is that we are unlikely to find anything like the Wisla Krolowa. The best we can probably hope for is some sort of motor launch with limited range and seagoing capability.

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@Fusilier - glad to see a longer post from ya. Hope your eyes are feeling a might better.

In terms of WA or Orunia, there’s also something else to keep in mind. As much as I’d love to kill some Soviet scum, we’re also loaded with 4 new characters that probably haven’t integrated well with the unit yet. If WA is an easier target, it might be worthwhile for us to take a stab at it first - get our hands dirty and further bond the unit together before going after the more hardened Pact forces.

In reply to Jose Rodriguez (msg # 188):

That's a very good point. I'm in favor of a slightly easier mission to help integrate the new blood- bond, work on intra-unit communication, etc.

If I understand the situation correctly, taking out WA will improve Gdansk's security situation somewhat, and hopefully allow resources to be allocated elsewhere. If it can also serve as a dress rehearsal for a more ambitious op against the besieging PACT forces, all the better.

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Good to see you Fuse, hope all’s well with the eyes

A few random thoughts re potential ops.


I know we don’t have a lot to go on when it comes to Nowak at the moment, but if we’re thinking about the bigger picture in terms of Gdansk’s long term future I think trying to find what’s happened to her takes on quite a high level of importance as whatever is going on has potential consequences for all of Gdansk, whether that’s through the City being potentially weakened by an internal schism (e.g. per the info we did get below it’s already affecting the fishing fleet – a third have vanished and the remainder are staying in docks, which equals less food) or undermined by Nowak’s long term plans (we’ve no way of knowing who she may be in cahoots with – for all we know she could be planning to take power and then do a deal with the Soviets).


So while I realise we don’t have much to go on right now I definitely think Nowak definitely warrants further investigation to try and get more solid leads (Ferro has already mentioned IC speaking to Tymoshenko about her).

I’m also happy to take action against Warmia (for those just joining, if it’s not already clear, Kessler has a strong personal animosity towards Warmia based on his last encounter with them when Father Lukasz lost his eye. It’s left him (Kessler) with something of an obsession when it comes to wiping out WA, although he’d still think that when it comes to the bigger picture finding out what happened to Nowak has a higher priority).

Re: Orunia, I do like the idea of taking action against the Soviets there for the various reasons that have already been put forward, and I also agree that the most logical thing would be to carry out some sort of small unit recon to try and get an idea of what we’d be up against.

An attack on Orunia may be a good opportunity for Gdansk’s various anti Soviet factions to combine in a joint operation. Perhaps the Mad Dogs carry out an initial recon and if that proves favourable then then a larger combined force (Mad Dogs, Osprey, LoSA, others?) carry out an actual assault. Each unit could be given its own area of responsibility / objectives to minimise the workload for Fuse (much as we did at the Twins where we operated with Monolith). A successful op would then bring a morale boost for all of Gdansk – “our troops kicked the Russians’ arses at Orunia”.

(Related to that, an idea that has bounced around before is the production / issuance of shoulder patches. Individual militia units would have their own patch, worn on one sleeve (it stands to reason the Mad Dogs should be something canine) while on the other sleeve all units would wear a standard patch, possibly based on the Gdansk flag, thus giving Gdansk forces a small degree of uniformity / sense of common purpose

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...File:Gdansk_flag.svg)

Re the jet fuel, thanks, I knew that M1 tanks had multi fuel engines but I wasn’t aware it could be used in the same way as diesel in other engines. That said, I’d agree with Andy and Heffe that we leave alone – we already have enough fuel to more than satisfy our needs and given our limited supply of NBC gear anything that involves using said gear is going to end up limiting who can take part. Re: salvage ops in general, nothing against the idea but I am inclined to think that any obvious and readily accessible sites would have been stripped bare long ago, so an effective salvage op might need some out of the box thinking.

One other thing I’ll throw into the mix as an anti Soviet op – Fuse, isn’t there an airstrip somewhere that has functional helicopters?
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Deitrich has already counselled the other new blood that they should join up a 'properly constituted military force' and uniform badges are a requirement. I was waiting until he could corner the other officers to bring it up.

OK, so it sounds like the consensus is that we do a smaller scale military operation initially to fully integrate the new recruits to the Mad Dogs rather than trying a salvage operation. That makes sense and we seems to have the following options at present:

 - Taking on Warmia Awakening

 - Doing a recce of Orunia to see if a raid is feasible

 - Trying to find Nowak and her sub (though this seems to be a dead end at present)

 - Taking out the petty warlord controlling Brzezno and the community there?

Are there any other options?

Regarding Brzezno, Fuse said the following (thanks for this info):


Therefore should we look at taking out the other petty strongmen in western Gdansk and helping to install an allied faction instead to being those neighborhoods into the main part of the city?

Fuse, where was Zajac from?

Overall, I agree with Rae in that we should look to do what benefits Gdansk as a city as that is our base of operations. Taking out WA makes trade east of the city easier. Taking out local petty warlords in western neighbourhoods increases the size of mainstream Gdansk as long as we can also help install an allied faction. Assaulting Orunia hurts the Russians but is a big operation. I think that Dave is right though and Nowak is the biggest issue for the city so we might be best to focus there.

What other avenues for investigation could we try? Could we talk to either the Fishermans League, the Merchant Union, the IB or even Vincent's Wright? We haven't cast the net very wide yet.

Nice pun given this involves the Fisherman’s League.

I think the IB are a non starter. It was the IB that first flagged up her disappearance when Woermann mentioned it to Kessler. They had nothing (which is why they asked us if we knew anything) so I think we can presume that’s still the case (Chapter 18 msg 149 refers).

The League may know – or at least suspect – something, hence the reason they’re arresting people, but whether they’ll share info or not is another matter. I suppose one option may be to offer our services to assist with some of the arrests as a way of getting an in, but that may involve some moral grey areas if the Mad Dogs are participating in potentially arresting innocent people and handing them over without knowing what’s going to happen to them. It also seems a bit convoluted.

Without Janku we don’t have access to the BND.

I think it was Rae that said earlier where can you hide a sub. At the time I thought well, you can submerge it, but thinking about it a little more, it’s possible that sub can’t dive. I’m not sure what shape it was in originally but we definitely put a few holes in it with the Carl Gustav so maybe we’re thinking about it the wrong way and instead of looking for Nowak, we need to be looking for the submarine. Or at least thinking about where along the coast you can hide one (or at least try to). How we do that I’m not sure, but talking to people with experience of the coast might be an option. Where’s Valeska at the moment?

On an unrelated note during the same conversation Kessler and Woermann also spoke about Father Lukasz as a candidate to be leader of Free Gdansk and this came up



I don’t think it’s something we need to be looking at right now but it is something that we should probably consider further down the line so I thought I’d throw it in here while it was fresh in my mind.

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 193):

That pun was accidental. Honest! :)

Looking for the sub itself may be a better route to finding Nowak. Valeska's barge is very slow and only viable on rivers. I don't think that she'd take it out to sea.

A couple of other things:

 - We think that Wright is DIA and McCarthy and Ferro used to have a contact for him (if I remember correctly). Or are you saying that Wright is BND? Or am I confusing myself?

 - Why did Woermann describe General Hawthorne as his "former superior"? Do we know and have I missed something?

 - Do we know where these 300 Polish Army troops Woerman mentions are? Fuse, from memory, we discussed Jan meeting some pro NATO Polish forces somewhere near Tczew after he escaped with Valeska. Where were they?

In reply to Jan Czerny (msg # 194):

Yeah, but I’m thinking Valeska might have contacts among people that do go to sea. I can’t be sure (I’m at work so only have a limited amount of time to trawl (that pun was intended) through old threads but I think Valeska knew Nowak, so she may have connections, ones that we don't.

I know next to nothing about Wright OOC and absolutely nothing IC (I don’t think his name has ever been mentioned to Kessler) so I don’t know who or what he may be affiliated with. Karel Janku is BND and has established contact with a local BND operative (although the only people that know the full details IC are Janku and Kessler. McCarthy is, I think, aware that there’s been contact but not the full nature of said contact – again I’d need to find the relevant posts in an old thread to confirm).

I was really just mentioning BND in response to your question about whether there was anyone else we could turn to, and only to rule them out by saying that with Janku off base we have no way of contacting BND

Re: your last two questions, I’ve no idea for either. I’m fairly sure whatever happened to Hawthorne must have preceded me joining the game, but one of the more long standing players might know IC or OOC.

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 195):

That's very interesting if Valeska knows Nowak and it's certainly worth asking her about other boat contacts. Good idea.

Regards Hawthorne, he was the original CO of the IB I believe but he was badly wounded a while ago.

A thought that just occurred to me – not only do they have a sub to try and hide but a third of the League Fleet has also vanished. While I realise they may not all be in the same place that’s an awful lot of boats to try and hide. So I do think we need to change tack (ker ching, there goes another nautical pun) and start thinking about looking for the boat(s) rather than the person.

Gerhardt fancy driving a sub?

Is there any rush on getting back in the field? Bill has been in the wild for a while and isn't exactly enthused at the prospect of getting back out there.

In reply to William Schmidt (msg # 198):

Fair point.

Maybe we should approach what to do next from a different angle.

How about these two questions:

1. Would you rather do something local to Gdansk or have a trip out of Gdansk?

2. Would you rather do a mission that was military in nature or a mission that was focused around salvaging/scrounging?

Once we know what the preference for the group is we can then work out what are actual option are.

Does that work as an approach?

In reply to Jan Czerny (msg # 199):

My preference would be to continue to the hunt for the Red October Nowak for reasons mentioned upthread. I think that might be best executed by switching attention to harbours / anchorages that can handle a submarine and / or several surface vessels, so I presume that’s going to mean a trip out of town eventually.

Bill would prefer preference to stay in town and work on the compound and making friends/contacts.  Once we have a safe,comfortable and secure home base then lets go hunt the submarine.

To be honest this sounds like something that Fuse will handle during downtime between missions.

Fuse,

From checking it sounds like Woerman was referring to the Polish 2nd Free Legion near Osiek. Is that correct?

Ta,

Andy

Pretty sure Zajac is from Chelm. The contact for the DIA may have been Matt Doyle?

In reply to Jose Rodriguez (msg # 204):

I'm sure that you're right about Chelm.

Doyle was a PC before I joined the game. No idea if he was a DIA contact or not.

P.G. has an old army airfield that's being used as the 42nd's cantonment. There may be one helicopter there, but it's unclear if it's stationed there as part of the 42nd GRMD assets or just a temporary deployment from Malbork (so it might not even be there anymore is what I'm saying).

All other surviving Northern Front area aviation has been consolidated at the Malbork airbase.

After that the nearest aviation is in Kaliningrad.



Hawthorne has been relieved due to his injuries. Whether that's permanent or not is unclear, and may even depend on who you ask.

Yes, same Home Army troops. They are further south than Tczew, in a wooded region centered on Osiek, approx. 65-70km from Gdansk.



Heffe bringing up ancient names!

Yeah, Zajak is from Chelm, one of the more vulnerable city neighborhoods. Summary:

Gdansk Police Commando
Created through the amalgamation of various neighborhood watches in the Chelm Quarter which survived the brief but bloody PACT occupation. In exchange for their loyalty, the IB has armed the GPC using stockpiled small arms which had been captured from enemy forces. The group participated in the recapture of Przejazdowo where they performed above expectation. They have since developed a reputation for aggressiveness, though perhaps recklessness too. The GPC routinely send token forces to assist other groups when the need arises.
Approximate Strength: 35
Current Allegiance(s): Gdansk International Brigade
Notes: Zajac Narutowicz is a member of this militia

Matt Doyle can be found in Normandy Company, IB. The old hands know little of him and there's never been mention of him being DIA.
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Haha yep! Just read over some of this stuff in the last few weeks, so it's fresh in the brain. I've been taking notes as well, and my hope is to at some point put up some brief synopses of the old chapters for players to read over. It's going to be awhile though before I catch up entirely, as there is ...a lot.

Also, fun fact, the first mention I could find of the "Mad Dogs' moniker was chapter 5, msg #833, said by Varis! :)

In reply to Jose Rodriguez (msg # 207):

Another fun fact. In just over 10 years of game play the IC time line has progressed just over 4 months.

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When we're thinking of people in the city who we know does anyone still have contact with Stone?

In reply to Fusilier (msg # 206):

Thanks for the info Fuse.

I told y'all!!! ;)

Well, it looks like our next mission is searching for Nowak and the sub. Ironically, a boat would really help with this.

Searching the coastline is going to involving sneaking past/shooting through the siege lines, unless we acquire a big enough boat.

Acquiring our own boat, for reasons I've exhausted earlier, is probably not a realistic option (especially in the short-term). Fuse has confirmed this. So...

Could we perhaps rent a boat from the FL? If we do, we'll have to be careful who we ask. Or do we want to try our luck overland?

Or should we focus our efforts elsewhere?

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In reply to Varis Babicevs (msg # 210):

My only reservation about that is that we may be seen to be effectively allying ourselves with one faction in what is, at the moment at least, a split within the FL.

Maybe we could try and track down the guy that ferried us to / from the Twins. There's a relationship there already and his vessel is up to the task - wasn't the Destiny Ascension its name? Maybe we could have a quiet chat with him (provided he's not one of the defectors)?

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 211):

I think that's worth a try. I have the same reservations about "hiring" a boat from the FL, but overland seems like a bad idea. I thought the Destiny Ascension was Nowak's hybrid sailing vessel?

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Destiny Ascension is the hybrid ex-science boat. Also largest working craft in Gdansk. Skipper is... I can't recall his name, but he a guy.

Arcadia is Nowak's smaller schooner.

Found him...Zawadzki.

If he can be found and is agreeable I think that would be ideal. I think he knows Nowak so probably wants to know what's going on himself.

There's a description in IC Chapter 17 msg 402



And a pic of the ship on OOC Chapter 17 msg 96

My "vote" is to deal with the Awakening. As much as Nowak was my earlier top concern I think we've exhausted the options as much as we should. I don't think it's worth the cost and risk of going off on a hunt and into all sorts of unknowns. What do we do even if we find her?

Sooner of later she is going to return. We can deal with it then on more favorable ground.

W.A. to me is a worthwhile and more easily attainable goal. We have a clear enemy and endstate with them. Going that way could also help us establish links with the communities there (like that one Cassidy was heading to).

OK, I've been thinking about this further and looking at the map and I think that Dave hit the key thing when he mentioned tracking the boats rather than trying to find Novak.

MAP HERE > https://www.google.com/maps/d/...73qCrNs.kEZ1sNcvVVak

 - we know that Nowak has a sub which might not be able to submerge

 - we know that about a third of the FL boats have disappeared, presumably to join with Nowak

 - we don't know how many actual boats that third is but let's guess that it's 10

 - therefore where along the coast do you have secure anchorage for a sub that needs repairs and about 10 sailing boats, particularly considering the time of year and the weather?

 - you need a sheltered anchorage, ideally a harbour with a harbour wall to protect against storms

 - that exists in Gdansk but we know that they're not in the city

 - heading west you have what looks like a jetty at Dolny Sopot and then the Polish Navy at Gdyina. Heading westwards seems unlikely if Nowak is independent.

 - heading east you have the Wisla Smiala river that quite possibly led to the refinery. The refinery is in ruins but could there have been docks there that could be used. It's worth doing some research as I would expect a refinery to have docks capable of taking a sizeable ship, though with some refineries I believe that they have an off shore pipeline to pump fuel into a tanker.

 - further east you have Sobieszewo island. From memory they were more about farming and I doubt that they have a harbour but it's worth checking out.

 - then there is the Vistula river and while that's wide I think that you need to go upstream for a while before you find some docks and those won't be big enough for a sub.

 - continuing east you then have a long beach before you get to the lagoon inlet by Baltiysk Airbase (which may now be abandoned). Unless Nowak is allied with the enemy she's not going there or past there.

 - heading north I think that the only option is Hel where the Pirates were first encountered

To me as a player there seem to be two potential candidates for where Nowak might "hide" a submarine plus other ships while she conducts repairs and gets herself organised. They are either some old docks connected to the ruined refinery or the ruins at Hel.

My suggestion is therefore that before we start hiring a boat we:

 - See if we can find out anything about the refinery having docks by talking to the locals. We can start with the Poles in the compound, in particular Aleksander as he was a fire fighter before the war and should therefore be aware of any plans to tackle blazes at the refinery.

 - If someone knows of docks at the refinery then I suggest that we take the vehicles and go and do a recce. To me there are several potential locations (without looking at a satellite image of the area which will answer the question straight away) - please look at the image below:

I think that the docks at the top are too obvious and close to both Gdansk and FL territory. The other FL vessels would probably see anything moored there anyway.

I think that the other two potential sites on the right hand side of the map are both better options and we should be able to reach them by vehicle relatively quickly. It's just a short drive (across bad terrain accepted) from the compound.

In reply to Ferro (msg # 215):

My vote is also to deal with the "Awakening" problem.

The suggestions are good, but I'm still worried that we are biting off more than we can chew. If finding Nowak/the sub is our next objective, it is going to require major investments of time, effort, and logistics, and success might not even be achievable. As Ferro pointed out, even if we do find Nowak and/or the sub, what then?

I probably sound like a broken record, but I really think taking down WA should be our next op. It's a clear-cut, achievable objective, and we currently have the capability to successfully complete it. None of that can be said for the Nowak/sub goose chase search. Furthermore, if we don't tackle WA, they might be too strong to take on in the future (IIRC, recent reports suggest that they are growing in numbers, strength, and audacity).

WA now. Nowak later.

It is possible that the Nowak/sub mission will get easier while we are taking down WA (leads will develop or she'll reveal herself). The opposite is probably not true.

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In reply to Per Kolstrup (msg # 218):

For my two cents, I'm also in favor of taking on WA. It relieves some trade pressure for Gdansk, might help bring more Poles into the Gdansk fold, is achievable, etc.

OK, let's start to pull these votes together:

 - Taking out Warmia Awakening: Jinny, Cymon, Rae, Heffe

 - Tracking Nowak and the sub: Dave, Akulaau

 - Happy to go with the flow: Andy

Votes needed from: Chalkline, Mark, Cork

Please say if there is another option to be included or if I've got your choice incorrect.

Ta,

Andy.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:32, Fri 25 Jan 2019.

I'll abstain as I haven't read the Warmia Awakening bit yet. Normally Gerhard is all over going to docks though.

Updated votes:

 - Taking out Warmia Awakening: Jinny, Cymon, Rae, Heffe

 - Tracking Nowak and the sub: Dave, Akulaau

 - Happy to go with the flow: Andy, Chalkline

Votes needed from: Mark, Cork

Please say if there is another option to be included or if I've got your choice incorrect.

I think we should at least try to find were Nowak is even if we hand our findings over to the FL. Losing so much of the fishing fleet is, in my opinion, a serious threat to Gdansk's food supply.

I've removed a couple items. The rest has been placed in the stores.

I would agree with this option as well

OK, it looks like the vote is for taking out Warmia Awakening:

 - Taking out Warmia Awakening: Jinny, Cymon, Rae, Heffe, Cork

 - Tracking Nowak and the sub: Dave, Akulaau, Mark

 - Happy to go with the flow: Andy, Chalkline

Ta,

Andy.

Fuse,

I thought that it was worth gathering together the details of the two trading deals so far for ease of reference.

1. Sikora Armaments:

"Buying":
16x HC Smoke
1800x 7.62mmL Link
32x 40mmS HE (local)
16x 40mmN HE (local)
6x RPG-7 HEAT
20x Sikora MRE

"Selling":
100L Diesel


2. Marketplace deal:

"Buying":
3x Gun Oil (x5 uses ea.)
100x 7.62mmL
125x 9mmM
45x 9mmP
10x 7.62mmS Mags - 30rnd capacity
3x Overwhites Set (Top & Bottom)
1x Overwhites (Bottom)
1x Civilian Parka (White)
1x Civilian Thermal Ski/Snowmobile Suit (White)
4x Equivalent materials for Overwhites sets
Materials for 50% of blackout blinds needs
8x AA Batteries
2x Field Dressings (Postwar)
25 Florin
Finder Fee

In addition it was going to include 10x 5.45mmB Mags but as these were only 30rnd capacity we don't need them and you were happy to replace them with additional Florins. You still need to tell us how many Florins though (in addition to the 25 that are already in the deal).

"Selling":
3x 57mm HE-T
1x Eyeglasses
2x RPK-74
1x M16A2/M203
1x P64 w/holster
1x Paraffin Wax Block
1x Civilian Walkie Talkie

Re the LOSa and potential billeting.

The group consensus is that I'm too generous with offers s decide what you want the response to the offer to be and I'll post it up.

In reply to John Jameson McCarthy (msg # 228):

Did I miss that discussion? Anyway, I'm still happy with food and board as I originally suggested (stop taking all the credit for being too generous - we can split it! lol)

I think that the deal with the LoSA is fine. I think that Fuse mentioned that we will need to renegotiate our deal with the Marians for food because we won't have enough to feed them as well but that's fine. If necessary we can trade a little diesel for food as well.

Ta,

Andy.

I'm fine with the deals but the LOSA commander did raise an important point. Who'll handle our security if there's a crisis and the LOSA recalls their troops?

Also, have we ever discussed the possibility of doing a little farming at the rowing club (starting in the spring, obviously)? I don't think we have enough land to be self-sufficient, food-wise, but it would help us rely a little less on outside food sources.

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In reply to Per Kolstrup (msg # 231):

Honestly, if everyone wants to nix the idea for whatever reason and use the onsite civilians instead that's fine by me. If I remember correctly using the onsite civilians was the first suggestion but there were objections to that related to how reliable / trustworthy the civilians might be, which is why we went down the LOSA road.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:24, Sat 26 Jan 2019.

I'm not trying to scupper the plan to hire on the LOSA. In fact, I may have been one of the people that originally raised objections to the using the civies for security. That, however, was when they first moved in, or in response to the suggestion to bring more into our domain. I think that we can trust the "long-time" residents by now. I'm really fine with either route- LOSA or current resident deputization- but I wanted to reiterate the point raised by the LOSA commander re jurisdiction.

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+1...

I think that we have an understanding/SOP that when/if the LoSA commander recalls his troops the security is then taken over by the civilians in the compound. Seeing as the LoSA troops are going to have families nearby I don't think that they're going to be away longer than absolutely necessary.

I'm therefore pro the deal to have LoSA security at the compound.

Have we discussed it with Kaminski though?

I'd say go with LOSA and feed them. Kind of hard for me to expect them to risk their lives for anything less. They get fed and housed and then they will have something to fight for if it came to that.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:00, Sat 26 Jan 2019.

I don't know about Kaminski.

Your suggestion re-raises a question. If we're going to train and arm civilians to act as backup in case the LOSA are recalled for some reason, why do we need the LOSA to run security in the first place? Couldn't the trained and armed civies just do it themselves?

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This is news to me.

As far as I know there are two groups of civilians present

1. Kaminski's "employees" (for lack of a better term), i.e. those people who have lived and worked in the compound for some time and as far as I know already take their turn on sentry duty

2. The new arrivals, i.e. those listed on msg 15 of the Intel thread, who arrived on November 28 (game time) so less than a week ago (it's now either Dec 3rd or Dec 4th game time, I'm not sure which).

I don't know if we're getting the two groups confused? For the record any remarks I've made about arming civilians so they can act as a backfill security force have been referring to group 2 as as far as I know group 1 already do that job anyway.

You need a good NCO cadre to train and lead the militia. Any NPCs fit that bill?

How about Dietrich? I know's he's an officer, not an NCO, but his personality and skillset seem a good fit for organizing and a paramilitary unit and whipping it into shape.



I am. I find the time dilation effect of PbP to be a bit confusing. Two weeks in game time can take six months IRT, giving one an innacurate impression of the passage of time.

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In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 238):

Dave,

I was meaning that we create a SOP that if the LoSA sentries are recalled then the civilians stand sentry duty instead.

And my understanding is that we can't just rely on the civilians in the compound as sentries because they have other jobs that take priority. With the LoSA troops their assignment would be a combination of training and sentry duty so it would be their primary job.

Or have I misunderstood the set up?

Andy

That'd be okay, he's fluent in Polish

To zoom out a little, what’s the chance that the compound even gets attacked while we’re away? Is this a real threat? Are there groups in the city that actively want our little slice of post-apocalyptic heaven, to the point where they’re willing to attack a well fortified and mined position? I’m of the opinion that bringing in some LoSA troops is all well and good, but it just seems like we’re making a bigger deal about this than we might need to.

I'll give some clarification on the civilian occupants. There are two groups.

1. Kaminski's crew and dependents.
There are about seven or eight of them, as the actual number is unclear and/or changes often. They live in the rowing club building with you, on the second floor. They work as part of the salvage business that Kaminski oversees, possible also including some... vice. They pitch in with the securities duties too, but they are employed as stated, so they aren't pulling 12 hour shifts at the gate or anything. They do what they can when they can. They are trustworthy, at least to Kaminski first, and can be considered vetted long term inhabitants.

So the above group is already doing as much as possible, even if it isn't much.

2. The settlers.
There are twenty of them of all ages. The most important thing to know about them is they do not live in the compound. They live next door in the school. Also, they are not fed by you, so many work in town in various jobs or are self employed. To pay their "rent & utilities bill" they take turns, about 2-3 of them at a time, helping out inside the compound (but remember they don't live there) running the gasifier and other menial jobs that you don't have the manpower/time to deal with. All are new arrivals, having just gotten here no more than 3 days ago at the most I believe. Message #15 in the "Intel, Maps, Comms, & Compound Info" thread provides brief bios, at least for the first thirteen of them.

Asking the settlers to do more than they already do is above and beyond the contract they have entered. So changes, such as security jobs, would need to be agreed to and negotiated.
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:32, Sun 27 Jan 2019.

Hank might be able to help out here as well as he's pretty good in Polish and has a 10 in the  Instruction skill.  Just a suggestion...

The civilians that are staying aren't the school aren't employees, as Fuse pointed out. Two are capable of providing some defence if they are attacked, but that's it.

I'd suggest that we:
1) Let the General know that the people staying with us from eth LOSA are still his people. It's a mutual thing: we get security from them being there and patrolling as they normally would when not on duty, the LOSA get the food burden spread around a bit. If there's a mobilisation, the squad would mobilise as normal.
2) That leaves us with a problem when they're away. We can offer our civilians the opportunity to learn self-defence and get access to weapons in emergencies on a voluntary basis. We can also look into employing some security from the LOSA. They must have injured members that can't patrol any more but would be able to sit watch and fight defensive actions. If they do, and we're happy that their disabilities aren't too bad, we could offer them food and accommodation in exchange for their service: they would stay with us in emergencies.
3) Fuse has given at least three hints that the supplies we have aren't secure. At the moment, it's a matter of petty theft, but that will grow if we don't do something. The LOSA will be a deterrent from the petty theft and also make other bigger time crooks think twice.
4) I don't think that the compound is under threat from larger units a present but if the battle for Gdansk comes near, it's going to be difficult to defend. We'll need to have a plan for that long term but there's not too much to worry about now.

Shall I give the General these terms: We'd be responsible for food and lodging/the LOSa are still to do their duties and if there's an emergency their priority is to rejoin the front/we'd be interested in taking on some disabled militia if they were able to stand/sit watch and help defend the school/compound in emergencies (sort of night watchmen)?

Is any or all of this OK?

I'm ok with that Mark. I like the idea of the wounded LOSA use to help with the emergency mobilization problem.

In reply to John Jameson McCarthy (msg # 246):

This sounds very good to me.

Thanks for the info - that makes a lot more sense. Yep that plan sounds good to me.

I approve.

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In reply to John Jameson McCarthy (msg # 246):

Yes, that sounds good.

Where abouts is the Warmia Awakening territory and, ideally, their HQ?

We need to work out a route, a timing plan and provisions.

In reply to Jan Czerny (msg # 252):

If you're willing to share knowledge of the expedition you might get some financing (aka gifted supplies). If you recall the raid on the Twins, some supplies were given in support by factions/groups that were otherwise not participating.

It's sort of a custom in Gdansk that I mentioned briefly a while ago. If someone is undertaking an expedition, such as a raid, local groups sometimes contribute supplies. There's an unspoken understanding that those who contribute in return receive a share of the spoils (the usual motivation for why it happens). Basically they invest in the operation.

Just a suggestion if you were concerned about food supplies and things like that.
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:54, Sun 27 Jan 2019.

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 253):

Understood.

But east of the Vistula isn't much to go on. Are we looking to just capture some members of WA and interrogate them to find  out where the leadership is based?

As far as I know that's all we've got.

Coastal strip, stretching from east of the Vistula, up along the lagoon.

Geographically it's a long but narrow strip where they lurk. North is ocean and south is the open terrain where the Polish cavalry keeps them from settling in anywhere. So it's an west/east corridor.

If you don't find out where they are ahead of time, you ought to be able to just follow the corridor until you bump into them. I can't imagine you deploying and not being able to find them, one way or the other.
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:31, Sun 27 Jan 2019.

Ta. Sounds like a plan!

Since we'll be operating near the coast (against the WA), maybe we'll be able to pick up some intel re Nowak.

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Is it possible Nowak may have joined forces with WA? Perhaps she was enthralled by a charismatic leader?

Good question but extremely unlikely. During the raid against the pirates (and then fight with WA), Nowak didn't set foot on land. so she would have had no real experience or contact with them. She left basically half way through the battle as the sub tried getting away.

and it's probably unlikely that she would have returned to the Twins, knowing the achorage is in hostile hands.

In reply to Jose Rodriguez (msg # 260):

It's certainly possible, but it would be out of character based on what we know of Nowak.

I'd be nervous about mentioning this WA raid to anyone but the Marians and LoSA.

In reply to Michael Kessler (msg # 262):

That too.

We should probably ask the Marians if they will loan us a medic, even if only for the duration of the op. At the moment we don't have one.

FYI for those interested, I've expanded msg#15 in the 'Intel, Maps, Comms, & Compound Info.' thread to cover the remaining civilians. The updated portion is the list's bottom 7.

We might want to send out a scrounging team to salvage some concertina wire. Fortunately it's almost invulnerable. If we can get the back-hoe I was talking about earlier we can make some gabions, otherwise it's sand bag detail.

In reply to Jan Czerny (msg # 227):

Fuse,

As you're bringing the market trip to a close shortly please can I clarify one other thing that Jan plans to do before leaving the market so that you can include it in your final turn post. Rather than bring back Florins he wants to spend them all on food to supplement the cooking of Katarzyna and some tobacco. I'm thinking food that is different to what we get via the deal with the Marians and probably raw ingredients like flour, eggs, salt, etc. We don't need vast detail about what we get but Jan thinks it's better to have food and tobacco rather than Florins.

In terms of how many Florins we have it's 25 plus those we got instead of the ten 30 round 5.45mmB mags.

Ta,

Andy
This message was last edited by the player at 10:21, Mon 28 Jan 2019.