After the bounty hunter fails to cuff Cole Trayne, moments pass as if a lifetime for each of the men and women gathered on the Texas plain. That is, each according to his or her own frame of mind. That is to say, that no one's actions in those moments are questionable. Or righteous, Or even comprehensible. Rather, each forms a distinct frozen memory . . . indelible in a body's mind but nothing like the memory of the man who was standing next to him at the time . . . of that morning when Cole Trayne finally made his fucking play.

The wrangler himself, who had ridden along circumspect for much of the trek across north-central Texas before firing what an observer might call a warning shot, turns his carbine around and attacks his jailor with the butt. Meanwhile, Rasmin's Colt ends up in the bounty hunter's hand in a way that no one present who might brag to tell the tale about living to tell the tale could ever explain. Truly, anyhow. Almost as fast as Sunday, this bounty hunter. Almost.

Still, maybe twice as charmed is this thorn in the side, named Garrett Rasmin, because Sunday's first of two double-taps misses wildly. Sunday doesn't blink, ready to launch his second volley, when he feels the punch from the bounty's hunter's custom weapon.  If that ain't enough of a kick in the head, Sunday sees in his periphery the likes of Cruger, Boyd and Haverty lining up close and raising a Peacemaker and two Spencers, respectively, against the gunslinger. Nothing for Travis to do but continue with his second double-tap, emptying his custom Starr like it could be the last time he ever uses it, plugging the man--who came by way of San Francisco--near his ribs. Sunday feels no further punches, but he knows, at least, that Cruger fired at him. The Sheriff now stands within 3 yards of the gunslinger.

Trayne connects with one of two strikes with the spencer's shoulder end. His second attack misses, as Rasmin keeps his wits about him, even while Cole's old pard JEB fires his wild own shot into the melee. The cigar-chomping ex-lawman from Missouri defends his old friend from after the war, like it was the last thing the good Lord decreed. Nonetheless, Beauregard manages to miss both the wrangler and the bounty hunter. Jack responds to his master's call, defending against Rasmin even though the man had ignored Cole Trayne like he was nothing more than a mosquito bite. Instead, the bounty hunter focuses on the elephant on the warpath; name being Travis Sunday.

Jake Richardson seems to care for nothing about this situation. He makes no declarations. The rifleman moves, looking for a better position and seeing Rojas and Cruger continue past his field of vision. Even when the rifleman draws a bead on the twitchy hunter, whose name was like any fool who might hand over his money to the town's soiled doves, Richardson holds his attack. Jake heard the old man named Winters tell the hunter not to shoot. There are secrets to staying alive for more than 50 years on the frontier, after all. The hunter obliges, in a manner of speaking, ignoring Winters and firing his Sharps at JEB's back.  The rifleman considers the entire scene around him.

The same could be said for Mr. Big'un, the professor, Rojas, and Pete Haverty. That is, none of them discharge a firearm. They react in their own ways, threatening, pleading, bargaining or remaining silent as they watch the initial moments of an erupting gunfight.

Randy Oldman calls out with vengeance, but in the midst of the gunfire, it seems a waste of breath.

The professor positions himself for a shot at Boyd's back.

Rojas puts himself between JEB and Rasmin/Trayne after the lawman fires his initial shot at the bounty hunter.

Haverty, who unlike Cruger and Boyd had not fired his weapon even though pointed at the gunslinger, speaks to Sunday.

"Drop the gun and we all live."

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OOC: All PCs, please state round 2 actions. Remember that some people are in close quarters or melee. Firing into melee is a -4 modifier.

http://www.doghouserules.net/d...n/wagons_mayhem2.jpg
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The thought Hell, this ain't right, flashed through Jake's mind as he watched JEB join Travis in back-shooting Rasmin while the bounty-hunter's attention was directed towards Cole.

The Texan's lips compressed into a thin line of disapproval and he turned away so that he was now facing towards ENS. Jake began retracing his steps, tucking his carbine back into the crook of his left elbow as he did so.

"I'm standin' down, Perfesser," he called out, shaking his head as he noted the easterner seemingly focusing his attention upon Boyd -- one of Rasmin's bounty hunters.


OOC:Edit: Changed the color of Jake's spoken words to orange. I had inadvertently used the color of IC speech that I use in all of my other games. :)
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In reply to Jake Richardson (msg # 2):

JEB raises the barrel of his rifle skyward and declares in a clear voice, "stand down, Travis."

In reply to James E. Beauregard (msg # 3):

Travis his weapon Np one needs to know it's empty the second Starr remains on his hip menacingly.

Move Action: Holster pistol

Attack Action: Delay action.  Let Travis know if he gets shot at or if Cruger approaches to melee.

The Old Man moved forward and to the side as to move toward the hunter who had just shot at Jeb as well as to block the hunter's line of sight to the same. His hands were still in the air!

"NOW THEN! That'll be enough yah! No more shoot'n! Let's talk this over Yah?"

Winters did not know these folks very well. Yet, some things were clear to the Old Man. Cole Trayne was a good man if he judged him right. Winters could not see the man, the first man to arrive to help him and his granddaughters, kill another man unprovoked. However, to offer these hunters to help him and his granddaughters, Rasmin had to be a decent sort as well. He'd have to figure it out and right quick but that meant no else could die.

In reply to Jake Richardson (msg # 2):

ENS was somewhat shocked at his initial reaction to pull his pistol. When did I become like this?

When Jake speaks to him, he simply nods and holsters the Colt.

Cole keeps his rifle, and Jack, at the ready. The rifle, for the moment, is pointing downward.

The bounty hunter had already squeezed the trigger of his custom Colt, when Beauregard calls out for Sunday to stand down. Or maybe it happens at the same time. Maybe Rasmin could have stopped himself, maybe not. Regardless, the bullet flies straight but more than a foot from the gunslinger's right shoulder, cutting a path between Sunday and Oldman.

Rasmin holsters his weapon a moment later, as it becomes obvious that Sunday's gang is standing down.
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The Sheriff of Shackleford County keeps his revolver at the ready. His pard Pete Haverty lowers his carbine, holding it much like Cole Trayne. Boyd follows the liveryman's suit, lowering his longarm but keeping it firmly in hand.

The hunter facing Winters listens to the old man and lowers his Sharps. He begins to reload.

Cruger speaks. It is obvious to anyone nearby that he is on edge, as there is strained quality in his voice.

"Had enough killing, Sunday?"
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In reply to Sheriff Cruger (msg # 9):

Pointing out the hypocrisy...

I didn't hear any complaints when I was killing Comanche for you.

Followed by a more relaxed...

Why don't you holster that hogleg before someone gets hurt?

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 10):

JEB walks at normal speed towards Cole and Rasmin with rifle resting on his shoulder barrel up.

Randy moves to next to Travis.

His expression grim, Jake nodded to ENS and spoke to the easterner.

"Powder-keg came damn near to blowin' sky-high."

In reply to Jake Richardson (msg # 13):

ENS keeps watching the tableau before him.

You said it Jake... but I fear the fuse may still be sputtering.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 10):

"Drop your rig, or it will be you," responds the Sheriff.

The bounty hunter glances around and locates his handcuffs. He retrieves them.
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OOC: Post a round of actions. This is technically round 4. In Round 3, people moved, holstered, picked things up and spoke. If speech, keep it brief.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 17):

OOC: Updated map.

http://www.doghouserules.net/d...n/wagons_mayhem4.jpg

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 14):

"Could be," Jake admitted in reply to ENS's comment, "though I surely hope not."

In reply to Sheriff Cruger (msg # 15):

I don't think so...  and neither do you.

Cole shifts to keep a clean line of sight to both Rasmin and Travis.

Jack remains in guard mode. The wrangler positions his dog between himself and the bounty hunter.

In reply to Cole Trayne (msg # 21):

ENS stands with Jake and watches the drama. But he keeps his coat open in case he needs his gun.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 20):

"I trust in the Lord, Sunday. And I know my duty. Drop your rig."

The edge in the Sheriff's voice is still audible. Nonetheless, his Peacemaker remains steady in his right hand. He glances at Randy Oldman, momentarily, but his attention is fixed on Sunday.

In reply to Cole Trayne (msg # 21):

Like Trayne, the bounty hunter shifts his position slightly, affording himself a view of Trayne on his left, Beauregard on his right, and the group around Sunday in front of him. Rasmin does not speak.

Cole notices one of the hunters has taken a flanking position at the west end of the schooner. And the one who had fired at JEB before standing down like everyone else, moves a little closer to Winters as he finishes re-loading his Sharps.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 23):

You know your duty?  Then why aren't you pointing that smokewagon at the prisoner with a rifle?  You know the one who is actually under arrest.  The one who threatened his lawfully appointed custodian?  What about Beuregard? He pumped a round off in there.  Why not Rasmin? He took a shot after we all knew it was over   It was close but he's too good and professional to make a mistake like that. You don't seem upset about that.  Why not?

Travis waits a heartbeat, hearing nothing he continues playfully, teasingly...

I'll tel you why not.  You don't like me.  You know why you don't like me?  Cause I don't respect you, your badge, your office or how you run your business.  And unlike everyone else, I share my contempt with you frequently.  That doesn't sit in your craw well.  So instead of being content that no one was injured and unfortunate circumstances, like your death, were averted you need to show some balls and what throw down on me.  That's typical.  That's typical of a man whose town greeted me with a robbery and attempted murder.  Did you clean up that mess? No I'm the one who brought your man in for justice.  Alive.  I could have killed him, but I didn't. I spared his life and saved Ghost over there there. Then I helped solve the murder of a young china woman and prevent the vigilantism of the victim's husband.  That wasn't my roundup but I was there helping out Were your deputies?  No.  Then I accepted the challenge of a man who wanted to kill me.  Did the law step in?  No it didn't.  My crime was taking the time to get away from people before putting the bastard down.  Why did he call me out?  Because I interrupted him about to forcibly take the maidenhood of a young barkeep. Did the law save her?  No. I did.  Did the law take his accomplice in?  No.  He's still free.  Then I was offered the opportunity to engage in a little murder for hire to avenge a brutal and illegal wrong.  Why do people want me to administer justice for them? Because the law didn't do doodly squat.  That's why they came to me.  Did I take the money?  Did I kill the man? No. I didn't. Then you come out here not as the Sheriff but as a Texas Ranger.  Your mission is to deal with the Comanches.  Did you warn us?  No you did not. When the threat came did I shy away or was I a sword in the Ranger's service.

Travis' tone gets serious...
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In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 23):

OOC:  I'll save my insults for later whan Cruger takes another run at me.

You know what i did ot there  I killed 12 Comanche including the war chief.  To be fair, Jeb hurt one badly before I knocked him off his horse and Jake and I shot one down at the same time, but for dramatic purposes let's make it an even dozen. I drew the first wave away by myself in that holler, then I rode back and kept them off the barricades and then I stood on the front line and took all comers.  If I weren't here most likely you'd all be dead.  Not for sure but better than a coin flip's chance.  12 extra horseman would have rolled over you.  So it's likrly you owe me your life.  and when 4 men are shooting guns you come at me?  This isn't even your jurisdiction and you were deputized to deal with Comanche not administer justice

So now I'm going to tell you what's going to happen and I'll use small words so you can understand me you baboon-faced, ungrateful piece of shit.  I'm not going to kill you. You're a steady hand, but we all know that I'd clear leather and put two bullets into you before you could squeeze one shot off. I'm not going to do that though.  I'm going to saddle a horse and ride away, so no one has to worry about the unfortunate discharge of a firearm.  Then you can decide which other offender you want to lock up instead of me. Not going to do that? Yeah no shit, you worthless fuck.

A lot of folks here owe me their lives, and I owe them mine. So I'm gonna turn my back on you and go about my business, you miserable, vomitous mass and if you want to back shoot me like a  coward then maybe someone will realize that Travis Sunday is a royal pain in the ass to those he deems useless, but since he came to the Flat he's done more good than you have and doesn't deserve such a death.  I'll leave my fate in their hands because if I left it on yours you'd end it just so you could feel like a big man.

Move action:  Travis walks toward the horses.
Attack action: Delay
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Sheriff Cruger had listened to Sunday's diatribe, to a point. Long before Sunday is done, the Sheriff holsters his Peacemarker, nods to Pete Haverty, and turns his back on Sunday.

While Travis had intended to turn his back on the sheriff, he finds the opportunity is lost. Cruger walks towards Rasmin.

The bounty hunter, like others among the gathered men and women, couldn't help but listen to Sunday's soliloquy, at least at first. As it continues like a performance at the Frontier House, with Cruger stoic, Rasmin turns to Cole Trayne.

"Time for the handcuffs, Trayne. Or shall we start the shooting again?"

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 17):

Randy moves to stand directly between the gunslinger and the Ranger.

Jake stood by silently and watched how things played out off to his right.

In reply to Jake Richardson (msg # 30):

JEB waits for Cole's answer, ready to back up whatever play he makes.

In reply to Garrett Rasmin (msg # 28):

Cole looks at the bounty hunter, then at Travis.

Rasmin, I'll be right back. I need to talk to Travis. After that, we'll talk. If you are still of a mind to be unreasonable, then I guess we'll have to settle up right here and now. I think I've already shown you that I'm not of a mind to try and kill you.



With his dog close by his side, giving Rasmin a reasonable berth, he walks towards Travis.

In reply to Cole Trayne (msg # 32):

Rasmin laughs his odd laugh, for a moment.

"Unreasonable? I've bent over backwards to show you respect, Trayne."

As Trayne and his dog give the bounty hunter a wide berth, he continues. "I unshackled you, returned your weapon so you could defend yourself and others. And you still think I want you dead."

The bounty hunter can think of nothing else to do but shake his head.

In reply to Jake Richardson (msg # 30):

ENS shakes his head.

Well Jake, it looks like our group might be breaking up after all... I don't suppose he'll go at my pace now. Still, never hurts to ask... Once all this settles down of course.

In reply to Sheriff Cruger (msg # 27):

The second Cruger holsters the weapon.  Travis turns and walks to Rasmin.He hears the end of Cole's discussion.

Hold on Cole.

Travis removes his hat. In an absolutely serious tone.

Mr. Rasmin I would like to offer you an apology.  I have been rude, condescending, threatening and all-in-all a real asshole.  Your death was the fastest path to my friends freedom so I behaved badly in the hopes you'd do something stupid or get rattled like Cruger there.  You didn't.  I just want to say I've been watching you, I respect your craftsmanship as a hunter of men and your martial prowess.  It's not often I encounter the likes of you.  Though you have no reason to take it, since I just tried to kill you...

Travis removes his right glove and extends his hand

I would like to offer you my hand.  The next time I see you I'd be pleased if you'd let me buy you a drink or two and make up for my boorish behavior.  If not, the apology has been extended, the respect acknowledged and the offer remains on the table.
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In reply to Garrett Rasmin (msg # 33):

As Cole walks towards Travis, Cole glances over his shoulder at Rasmin. Clearly perplexed, the wrangler responds in a level voice.

Want me dead? Just now, I just want to talk to Travis. That is all I'm talking about right now.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 35):

The bounty hunter remains alert as the gunslinger approaches. When Sunday takes off his hat, Garrett Rasmin cocks his head and listens. He breathes evenly, glancing at Cole and JEB briefly, but mostly eyeing Travis as if contemplating something. When the gunslinger concludes, Rasmin pauses for a few seconds before he responds.

"I am not inclined to a handshake with a man who only a few minutes ago tried to beef me. Nevertheless, when a man like you takes off his hat to speak, Sunday, he usually has a mind to be sincere. As I said earlier, I have a sense for such things."

As he spoke, the bounty hunter continued to regard Travis. After another short pause Rasmin continues speaking, but he does not take Sunday's hand.

"I accept your apology, Sunday. If it ever so happens that there comes a time when we have the luxury to sip fine whiskey in a leather armchair, I shall accept that offer and even shake on the notion of buried hatchets. For now, you will understand why I decline."

In reply to Garrett Rasmin (msg # 37):

Travis puts his hat on and withdraws his hand and nods appreciatively to the bounty hunter

You seem to be a just man Mr. Rasmin.  There's no justice for Mr.Trayne in San Francisco.  You'll have to square that up some day.

He leans in to Cole.

Speking low enough to avoid Cruger's ear.

Thank you for having my back.  I do appreciate it very very much.  I have concluded your life expectancy is much improved if I am absent during your immediate travels.  As to your desire to be helpful to me...My business in Texas is concluded.

Travis stays in close in case Cole has something else on his mind other than what he has shared before.
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In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 38):

The wrangler looks Travis in the eye, pauses a moment, then nods.

Reckon my business is done here, too.

Turning away, he momentarily places a hand on the gunslinger's shoulder. He walks towards the bounty hunter and extends the rifle, butt first.

Reckon i wont need this.

In reply to Cole Trayne (msg # 39):

Rasmin takes the carbine from Cole Trayne. "You had me considering whether I had misjudged you, Trayne. Good to know my instincts have not failed me completely."

The bounty hunter calls out over his left shoulder. "Obie, secure Trayne's weapon on the Arabian. Your last task before you return to Fort Griffin with Winters and the women."

The hunter, who had flanked the others at the edge of the schooner, complies. Rasmin returns his attention to Trayne. "I will be satisfied by your word, Trayne, to follow my orders on the trail and the train. Given that, there will be no need for any restraints."

The bounty hunter glances at the others around the wagons, lingering on Beauregard for an extra heartbeat.

OOC: Updated map after various PC/NPC movement over the last few minutes of game time. This is how it stands when Trayne hands over his Spencer and Rasmin responds.

http://www.doghouserules.net/d...n/wagons_mayhem5.jpg

The Sheriff of Shackelford County had continued walking away from Sunday, pausing only for a moment to hear the gunslinger's offer of an apology to the bounty hunter.

He continues his slow walk toward his mount, checking his saddle, tack and gear while the conversation among Trayne, Sunday and Rasmin continues.

Now, he mounts his horse and begins to walk her towards the gap between the Trautman party's schooners.

Pete Haverty follows the Sheriff's path, until he reaches Jake Richardson. He stops next to the rifleman and the professor, turning to observe the conversation initiated by Travis Sunday.

As Rasmin, Sunday and Trayne speak, the liveryman glances at the two men who, like himself, had refrained from firing in the brief flurry of gunfire. He sighs.

The Mexican had kept his thoughts to himself throughout the goings-on. He continues that practice, catching the eye of the various men in the vicinity while backing up a few steps. He seems content to do nothing but listen.

Anyone glancing up toward the hill that had served as a temporary command post during the battle with the Comanche sees that the Tonkawa have assembled there, watching the white men below on the plain.

One can only wonder what they might think of the situation that has unfolded in the last few minutes.

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OOC: The Judge meant to post something like this earlier. Maybe it was already done. Rather than go back and review prior posts, the Judge decided to post this message. Thinking is: that it serves either as a follow-up, or make-up for what was intended when the gunfight began and then suddenly ceased.

In reply to Garrett Rasmin (msg # 40):

The wrangler shrugs slightly, and walks over to look Bess over.

In reply to Garrett Rasmin (msg # 40):

JEB returns the bounty hunter's glance, then walks over to his horse to sheath the rifle and prepare to leave.

In reply to Pete Haverty (msg # 43):

"Too damned close for comfort," Jake remarked to Pete Haverty when the liveryman walked over to where ENS and the rifleman were standing.

"I commend you for keepin' your head, an' offerin' up the olive branch when you did."

In reply to Cole Trayne (msg # 46):

Rasmin follows Cole, stopping when he stops. "Your word, or the shackles?" asks the bounty hunter.

In reply to Jake Richardson (msg # 48):

"I must admit, in the moment I was thinking only of my own longevity," answers Haverty. "I reckon the stand down had more to do with the restraint shown by you two, as well as Oldman, Winters and Rojas."

The liveryman glances at the men he names, nodding to each of them iffin' they happened to be looking his way.

"I reckon it is time to settle our deal, Richardson. I have the double-eagles in Graymare's saddlebags."

In reply to Pete Haverty (msg # 50):

The Old Man eyed the hunter walking toward him and then gave him a curt nod, slowly lowering his hands as he did so. When he heard Haverty speak, Winters turned and walked over where the three men stood.

"It seems vee're still in ah quandary yah? I don't think Mister Tryane is guilty of murder. Yet, Rasmin seems ta be ah man who is descent ta boot. I jus don't know vhat ta do about all of this. I vish I could tag ahlong yah. But I got ta see my granddaughters safe ta the Flat."

He then nodded to Jake "I'm still will'n ta look after yer horse for ya Jake. I don't mind ya know. I could bring him ta ya out in San Fran if ya vant? Might vant ta look in on Mister Trayne myself yah? Up ta ya but I sure don't mind."

Winters then spoke to Haverty "Mister Haverty? Ya still in ah mind ta buy my horses n' Schooners? I could use the money for my granddaughters yah? It could help them get started right I'm think'n."
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Oldman stands watch over the proceedings as much opposite Rojas as in concert.

"Fair enough. Whenever you're ready, I'll walk over with you to Graymare," Jake replied to Pete Haverty.

When Mister Winters spoke up and volunteered to look after Ghost and bring him out to San Francisco, "I 'preciate it, I purely do," Jake responded. "But Pete Haverty an' me have already struck ourselves a deal regardin' Ghost, an' I'm inclined to say that it's best for all concerned for us to go through with it an' see it done."

"You'll have enough on your plate without havin' to fret 'bout sumpthin' extry, Mister Winters."

In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 52):

Randy.  I'm sorry I thought Cole had made his play and when JEB joined in I thought we were going to end this here and now.  Apparently my singleness of purpose was not shared.  So there's no way I ride along with Rasmin and wait for Cole to decide he's had enough.  That can't happen so I'll move along to "The City" at best speed.  We'll see what happens then. I'll cut two kids and Horse out of the Remuda and head out to see the Tonk. 

Travis stops and focuses on Randy

What about you No Buffalo?

In reply to Jake Richardson (msg # 53):

ENS looks relieved that things have calmed down, then gets a look of purpose in his eye. He speaks to no one in particular.

Well... these bodies still need to be taken care of...

He looks over to Cruger and raises his voice to be heard.

Sheriff Cruger, a word please?

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 54):

"Travis, that's the closest danged thing I've heard to a right reasonable thought." Randy is a little surprised by his friend addressing him, but not startled.

"You'ns always known my employment was to see along safely. Rojas is my employer and he tells me when that there duty is done."

Concluding the points, "As for the Buffaloes, welp, seems it started with me and Cole ridin' with Rojas, might be a fitting way to part ways for a while."

In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 56):

Good.  You know how to reach me through the telegraph.  I'll go to Chinatown when I get there.

Travis extends his hand.

In reply to Theodore Winters (msg # 51):

Haverty listens to Winters and then Jake.

"Yessir, Mr. Winters. Iffin' you are accompanying us to The Flat, we can work out the details along the way. I am most interested in the horses; the schooners are of little use to me but I know other men who would have interest. I could make you an offer on the wagons, or I could introduce you to men who might give you a better deal, directly. Plenty of time to strike an accord while we ride."

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 55):

Sheriff William Cruger turns his mount in a circle. "All right, Ringgenberg," he answers, dismounting and looking to the professor to lead to whereever he considers a private place to speak.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 57):

"You'ns be careful till I sees you next time, my friend." Randy shakes his friend's hand so firmly that dust puffs out.

Before releasing, he pulls the gunslinger very close in an almost yanking action.

In reply to Garrett Rasmin (msg # 49):

As Cole tends to Bess, he wearily responds without turning his head.

my word.

In reply to Sheriff Cruger (msg # 59):

Well sheriff, before this dust-up we were working towards taking care of these Comanche bodies... will you still support that effort before this group goes their separate ways?

In reply to Cole Trayne (msg # 61):

The bounty hunter turns away when Cole finally answers. "Hunkey-dorey." Rasmin calls the hunters to assemble near the bounty hunter's Arabian.

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 62):

From the sound of the professor's request, the Sheriff had expected the easterner to move aside for a more private word. Nevertheless, Cruger listens and responds.

"If those of us returning to The Flat are willing," he answers, glancing at Winters and Haverty, "yes, I would support that, Ringgenberg. Cannot speak for others. There are a heap of dead Comanche . . . " he adds.

In reply to Sheriff Cruger (msg # 64):

Travis spits.

Buzzards got to eat Professor.  Same as worms.

Travis reloads the Starr and saddles up the best looking kid he can find kid from what's left of the Cpmanche's horses.  Then he cuts out another. He ties Horse and the second to his saddle horn and trots out to the Tonkawa

In reply to Sheriff Cruger (msg # 64):

Yes Travis, they will eat no doubt, but at least they'll be in a confined area of the Comanche's choosing.

ENS turns back to the sheriff.

You are right sheriff, I expect it will take several trips with my one wagon... But I don't have the heart to ask Mr. Winters for the use of one of his for this task. And I will speak to the others about this.
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In reply to Pete Haverty (msg # 58):

The Old Man gave Haverity a nod.

"That'll be gud Mr. Haverty. I'll sell ya the horses yah? Then I'd appreciate the introduction ta boot. I need ta set up my granddaughters as best I can. Danke! I can't thank ya enough. I'd best speak with the Professor yah?"

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 66):

The Old Man cleared his throat as he approached the Easterner.

"Professor? Ya been mighty helpful ta me n' the girls yah? I'll return the favor. I'll get one of my schooners hitched up. I won't use the one my granddaughters will be using understand. I don't want no blood or nuth'n in their vahgun yah? It's the least I can do. I jus need ta speak ta the gunslinger first then I'll be ready. That sound gud ta ya?"

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 65):

As Travis begins to ride out the Old Man hollers and waved his old hat to get the man's attention.

"Mister Sunday? Can I have ah vurd vith ya?"

In reply to Theodore Winters (msg # 68):

ENS looks solemnly at Mr. Winters.

Thank you sir, that's very generous of you considering.

ENS walks over to Rasmin.

Well Mr. Rasmin, it seems the threat to you has been sorted out in your favor. So I'll ask you if you'll aide us in the cleanup of this battlefield? Also, I'll offer again my skills and equipment for the remainder of your journey. What say you?

In reply to Theodore Winters (msg # 69):

Jake nodded to Pete Haverty, then walked over to join Mister Winters. He had heard the older man call out to Travis, and he stood silently and waited for a moment to see if the Michiganer would ride back over in response to the hail.

In reply to Theodore Winters (msg # 69):

Travis reins in and stops by Mr. Winters.  He removes his hat.

Yes sir?  How can I be of service to you?

Randy heads over to Rojas, a short distance indeed. "I is just wondering what's happening next for us. Should I try to trade animals with Winters? I guess I don't figgur I know what's happening with the bangtail with the buckboard."

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 70):

The bounty hunter listens to the professor. He looks out toward the battlefield, although his line of sight is blocked by the hill where Rasmin himself had spent a good amount of time before the Comanche launched their attack--then again when the battle was rejoined and he had followed Richardson's orders.

Now, the bounty hunter sees Travis Sunday stopping to listen to the old man named Winters. Rasmin's gaze lingers in that direction for a few moments. ENS has seen the look before; Rasmin has displayed it several times when he is considering a man's words.

"Professor, I reckon I owe you some favor to make amends for my name-calling earlier. You can count on my assistance to move the Comanche as you have suggested."

The bounty hunter touches the brim of his hat and lets his first answer settle in.

"I have already said that I have no objections about you riding along. It is not you or skills or your equipment," he says, looking as if he stops in mid-thought and changes course. "It is your one-horse wagon that knocks things into a cocked hat. The journey will take three . . . maybe four . . . times as long as it would on horseback. That makes my appointment with the train problematic."
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In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 73):

"Good thinking, señor Big'un," answers Rojas. It sounds strange the way the Mexican says it. Randy cannot help but wonder whether his old trail boss meant it to sound a certain way in this particular moment.

"We follow señor Trayne, until he tells us otherwise. He might at that." Rojas pauses. "Having an extra kid or two would be helpful in our journey. The Comanche horses, are they all spoken for?"

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 72):

The Old Man held his worn out cowboy hat close to his cheast and squinted up at the Shootist.

"Vell? I vahnted ta ask ya ah favor Mister Sunday? If ya are not go'n along vith those others I vas vonder'n if ya vould travel back vith us. Jus ta see the girls afe ya see. I couldn't pay ya much but I'll be get'n sum money from the sell of the horses and vahguns."

He shook his head slowly.

"Not much I know...  but I need ta know these girls make it. Mayhaps, I could do something fer ya in turn. Jus anything ya like. I hope ya vould give it sum thought. Seems ta me those Hunters are com'n... " at that he paused and then spat.

Finally, the Old Man just pulled the old stained hat on his head and dusted off his hands.

"Sorry I bothered ya Mister. I best be help'n the Professor. The sooner started the sooner done!"

In reply to Garrett Rasmin (msg # 74):

ENS nods.

Well thank you Mr. Rasmin... As to the travel time, I assure you that I would try my best to keep a good pace. But would missing the train be that bad? How long until the next one?

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 77):

"The wagon's best pace is not suitable to my plan. I tolerated it earlier, knowing I had some latitude. That leeway has now diminished."

Rasmin rubs his whiskers, looking askance for a moment before returning his full attention to ENS Ringgenberg.

"You seem like a good egg, professor. I assure you that I have sound reasons for wanting to reach my scheduled train, on time. You will understand why I prefer not to divulge those reasons."

In reply to Garrett Rasmin (msg # 78):

Leave the wagon, Riggenberg. Speed is best on the trail. The Comanche ambush is proof enough.

In reply to James E. Beauregard (msg # 79):

ENS looks over to JEB.

There is substantial investment in the contents of that wagon sheriff... not only by me but by my university. I can't simply 'leave it'.

ENS rubs his chin for a moment then looks back at Rasmin.

Let's see how long our task here takes... perhaps we can reassess the situation afterwards. I thank you again for your willingness to help.

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 80):

"We will burn all daylight finishing this task," says the bounty hunter.

In reply to Theodore Winters (msg # 76):

"Winters, afore you gets back to all that what must be done. I have a very serious offer for you'ns to consider for two ponies what for trade and or purchase." Randy wants to be clear, but knows there might be a little bit of a language barrier. The big man never had true schooling and doesn't capture the phrasing just right each time. That said, he always has a complete thought to convey. "My mule and one of them Injun ponies is worth about about the same amout, give or take--Pete'll speak to that. I trained that mule myself to fight, fend off, follow and come to you'ns by your word. Ol' Johnny's more than pack animal, he's a pal for the trail.

"Then I'm gonna need a second horse for Rojas and me so's we can swap out horses and keep the pace with Rasmin. Rojas is likely to kick in some coin for that one--I think I heard someone say a double eagle or two. If'n we could make it a double eagle and some sundries and other goods likes tools and such, I'd consider it a true kindness. Of course I know you'n might want to ponder on such a matter for a spell."

In reply to Garrett Rasmin (msg # 81):

Well, Mr. Winters has volunteered one of his wagons and the burial ground is less than a mile away... I think, I'll have to check with Mr. Richardson... so hopefully we can finish in a few hours.

ENS pulls out his watch for a look.

OOC: What time is it Judge?

In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 82):

The Old Man looked at the Big Man and pondered what he said for a heartbeat or two.

"Ya know vhat! Ya both came ta my aid vhen ya could have rode by. Ah double eagle vould be gud... that n' the mule sounds gud ta me. If Rojas vants ta give ah coin or two to my granddaughters I'd accept it, otherwise vee are gud."

Winters held out an age spotted hand to shake.

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 83):

What men seasoned by the trail already knew, the professor verifies by his timepiece. It is 11:30 a.m. The sun, almost over head, watches over the Texas plains. It approaches its full ascent. The wintry weather has given way to a pleasant day on the plain. While burying bodies, moving furniture and lifting crates, some of the men had shed their overcoats.
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Randy reports to Rojas about the arrangements struck. "I knows I spoke for you'ns own money, but I figgured it was important enough to make the offer. I sold some of the goods I got strapped to Johnny too. All in all, we gots a double eagle in the offer to give him for the offer. Then I swapped Johnny for a kid even steven."

Softly to Rojas, Mr. Big'un asks, "A word in a quiet way if'n you'n don't mind."

Randy steps back toward the group.

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In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 86):

The Mexican's expression shows that he has no issues with the deal struck by Oldman. He moves aside for a quiet word with the big man.

Jake stood by silently while Travis and Mister Winters spoke for a bit. Once Randy stepped over and began speaking to Winters, the Texan turned to Travis.

"Didn't want you to ride out without me gettin' the chance to speak some words to you, Travis."

"I know that we didn't always see eye to eye on ev'rything, but I reckon that ain't all that unusual for men of strong character."

"I just wanted you to know that I'll be pleased to ride the river with you any damned time."

Jake extended his hand to the Michiganer. "Luck to you. Be good to see you agin, once we all git to 'Frisco."

"Oh, an' if'n I don't git a chance to speak to JEB afore he leaves out, please let him know that all goes for him, too."

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In reply to Jake Richardson (msg # 89):

Jake I'm proud to tie to you, and I'd apologize, I'm too simple in my ways. I don't see the possibilities as easy as others.  I do see obstacles and if they aren't innocent, I remove them using the gifts the good lord gave me.  I'll see you in San Francisco. But unless the more enlightened find an unobstructed path, It may come down to the same decisions as today, but there may not be another chance to put things off.  Then, not making a decision will be a decision and I'll do anything to keep him alive.  Just like I'd do anything to keep you alive.

In the meantime if we get out of contact, we all maintain Western Union accounts with the San Antonio office and leave and retrieve messages there.  Periodically check and see if you have a telegram there in your name or leave one for me.
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In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 90):

"Waal," Jake drawled, "I got to say, you did a damnfine job doin' your part to keep us all alive today." The Texan nodded his head towards the field of battle where the bodies of many dead Comanche lay scattered about, many of them lying there as a result of Travis's personal efforts.

"An' that's good to know 'bout that Western Union account in San Antone. I'll shorely keep it in mind."

"Oh, an' I don't want to hear no damned apologies from you, Travis. Ain't no need. It strikes me that if'n thaere's such a thing as the Pearly Gates an' we all got to stand thaere when our time comes, a man oughtta be pretty pleased if'n the judgment rendered respectin' him is 'He stood by his pards, come Hell or high water'."

In reply to Theodore Winters (msg # 76):

Mr. Winters I bekieve you're safe.  Truth is I need to put some miles between me and Ranger Cruger.  He's a just man, if less than honorable honorable.  I think backing him down while he had the drop on me won't stick in his craw well.  The way I see it He knows I just killed 10 Comanche, 12 if you count one I shot at the same time as Jake and one that JEB wounded, so he had reason to let me go about my business for an hour or so after I blustered a bit.  He'll get his courage up sooner than later and we'll do it ll again.  By the way sorry about the show back there.  Better I shame the Ranger than shoot him.

Anyway, my business... getting back to where we were...is, sadly to say, jumping bail.  If I thought I could find justice in Texas I'd stay and get the record straight but after that big flap up we just had, the only one he had eyes on was me.  Not the murdering prisoner with a rifle, not the man who squeezed off a shot after my gun was holstered, but me.  The only thing waiting for me here is the hoosegow and an ungrateful lawman looking down his nose at the likes of me.  No thank you, I say.

I swear to you, these men and the Tonkawa will get you in safely.  I wouldn't leave you if I thought differently.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 90):

Travis extends his hand to Jake.  May you ride in fair skies, brother.
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In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 93):

Jake shook Travis's hand, and smiled a little smile upon hearing the Michiganer's words to Mister Winters.

"Travis, your sit-u-aeshunn puts me in mind of an old Irish proverb that Uncle Seamus used to tell us. It went sumpthin' along the lines of ''Tis better for a man to exist unknown to the Law.'"

In reply to Jake Richardson (msg # 94):

ENS walks over to Travis and Jake and speaks low.

Well gentlemen, it seems likely that Rasmin will not go at the pace of my wagon, so I'm faced with returning to Fort Griffin with Mr. Winters unless I can make other arrangements... I just am not experienced enough to make this trip alone in winter! I know you have to leave now Travis, but would you circle back to join me again so that I can continue on to give whatever aide I can to Cole?

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 92):

Winters gave the Shootist a nod as he placed his worn hat back upon his head.

"I understand Mister Sunday! Ya take gud care. I suppose them Hunters vill be go'n back vith me. It vas nice ah them to go back yah? I suppose them boys will be real busy for sum time yah? Mayhaps they may stay ahvile once we make it back ta the Flat." he said with a wink.

"God go vith ya Mister Sunday. Danke! For all ya did for me n' the girls."

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 95):

Professor, let me see how things shape up here; but you know I'm planning on moving fast.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 97):

ENS nods.

Well, let me know... I assure you I would go as fast as Amadeus is able.

After Rojas gave the golden coin to Randy, the big feller took all the trade items over to Winters.

The younger man proffers all the items to the older. Oldman goes about selecting animals from those remaining.

All are still of good stock, strong and capable. Randy selects a Pinto for himself and returns to Luis. "I figgurs the pick of a horse is a man's own matter."

Oldman approaches Pete. "I could sure use that help about now workin' with these here horses and wearin' a saddle. I'm gonna have to ride out in a quick bit."

23:04, Today: Randy Oldman rolled 14 using 1d20+4. Ride for Train of Horses.
23:04, Today: Randy Oldman rolled 4 using 1d6 with rolls of 4. AP for Ride.

In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 99):

Rojas shrugs. He moves towards the grazing horses.

In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 99):

The liveryman follows Randy Oldman, as there is nothing that interests the stable owner more than the subject of horses. He watches, offering a comment here and there, as the big man selects the Pinto.

"Like I said before, Oldman . . . I reckon most, if not all, of these kids have worn a saddle before."

Indeed, Randy finds it easy to saddle the mount.

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 98):

I'm sorry Professor, I don't understand you.  You can ride with Rasmin, ride with me or you can pull your wagon.  If you're suggesting you'll pull your wagon to the Flat and then join up with me, I fear that's a luxury of time I can't afford.  Besides you don't want to be in my company for the next few days. 

Travis leans in quietly.

Ride with an outlaw; die with an outlaw.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 102):

ENS sighs.

Well, I find it hard to imagine what additional trouble you would find on the trail... unless you think you will be pursued? Regardless, I take your meaning; you are unwilling to keep my wagon's pace to the train to San Francisco... very well Travis, and I understand.

ENS turns to go start the task of moving Comanche bodies.

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 103):

Garrett Rasmin is among the first to help the professor, as promised.

OOC: The movement of the Comanche bodies will take a while. The Judge needs to know which PCs are assisting in that effort and which are not (and for those who are not, what they are doing in the time it will take to accomplish this task, which by a hopeful estimate is roughly two hours). Based on previous statements, the Judge is assuming that all three wagons would travel, but only the professor's and one of the Trautman wagons would carry Comanche . . . the other would carry the remaining Trautman goods and the professor's equipment. All three wagons will be laden. If there is some other plan, the Judge would be interested to know how it is happening.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 105):

OOC: Randy only commits to helping load the Trautman wagon with their goods. He sees no reason to spend time wrangling heathen bodies when good honest folk need to be moving along. He mumbles as much.

The Old Man gave his word to the Professor and will help with one of his wagons. He say goodbye to Travis, Cole, and all that are going with them. Cheers

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 105):

Travis rides out to the Tonkawa.

Cole will assist with the bodies and anything else that requires assistance.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 108):

CIrcling Hawk and his men await Sunday's approach. They give the gunslinger the opportunity to speak first.
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The first order of business for the transportation of the Comanche is to shift some of the Trautman belongings from one wagon to the other. Along with that goes the loading of the professor's gear into that wagon.

Ringgenberg, Trayne, Rasmin, Winters and two of the hunters engage in the heavy lifting. Once Mr. Big'un is satisfied with the Pinto, he joins the effort. Pete Haverty inspects the harnesses and prepares Amadeus and the Trautman kids for the task. Lorelei arranges a large swath of burlap in the wagon destined for the warrior's bloodied bodies. It will prevent at least some of the inevitable stains.

Rojas and the hunter named Boyd remain with the other horses. Boyd assembles Rasmin's Arabian and the three hunters' mounts for the ride.

Beauregard stands aside, idle. The often circumspect man seems to be weighing his options.

Sheriff Cruger rides out to the battlefield, where he and Obie had assembled the Comanche corpses earlier. Sunday can see the lawman from the hill. Cruger appears to be doing a final inspection of the dead warriors.

Jake had overheard Randy speaking to Mister Winters about wanting a second mount for himself and Senor Rojas, and the more Jake thought about it, the more he agreed with that idea.

So, the Texan turned his attention to selecting a second kid for himself from the remaining mounts that the Comanche had been riding.

As for the dead warriors, as much as Jake liked the Perfesser, he had no inclinatation to put himself to any effort in disposing of their bodies. Leave 'em lyin' whaere they fell, dead on the field of battle, was his thought. Ain't no call to waste neither time nor effort tryin' to give 'em a better send-off than the lead they already got from us.

In reply to Circling Hawk (msg # 110):

Travis approaches the group.

Circling Hawk.  Ir pleases me to see you well today when so many have died.  The Comanche have been raiding  They have killed soldiers and stolen their uniforms.  They have also killed settlers and tried harm our group as well.  I have done as you have asked and killed all the Comanche I could including the leader of the war party. Mr. Oldman has fought bravely to protect the women, elderly and children over there  killing many Comanche as well.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 111):

OOC: I guess I had assumed that whoever was doing the duty would use ENS and Winter's wagons and go back and forth as needed. Meanwhile, the remaining wagon and at least Winter's family and the hunters would wait for us to finish. ENS's goods need not be loaded since he'll reload his own wagon once done. Also, I believe both of Winter's wagons are mostly unloaded due to the barricade Randy had us set up.

A couple of general items:
1) ENS will ask Jake for the burial ground location and/or to lead them there at least once, whatever his pleasure. ENS will have both his shotgun and his Colt with him on the trips.

2) Any firearms they come across will be collected (don't want to leave them for other Comanche to get).

3) ENS will also collect any interesting items from the Comanche (i.e., for the university). If he gets to the leader before Travis, he'll set aside the headdress and take it to Travis and the Tonkawa on the way over (we can play that if it comes about).

4) At the burial ground ENS won't take anything but notes about the area in his notebook.

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 115):

OOC: Going back and forth is a terrible way to move anything, in the Judge's opinion. Load it up and haul it once. That said, this is the professor's rodeo, so feel free set the plan the way he wants it. As for the current status of the wagons, there was activity after the battle to break down the camp and barricade, which included reloading the wagons. The professor's stuff was not loaded and on the map was shown next to his wagon, because he had said he planned to haul comanche. The Judge is pretty sure most if not all of that was established in e earlier text and updated maps.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 114):

Hearing Sunday, the Tonkawa leader responds. "Your deeds here are good payment for your debt to the Tonkawa."

In reply to Circling Hawk (msg # 117):

JEB gives assistance to any tasks at hand.

In reply to Circling Hawk (msg # 117):

Thank you.  It was mu honor to bloody the Comanche in your name..

These settlers are going to push on to the Flat.  We hurt the Comanche pretty badly.  Do you think they would return and harm them or will they give ground and tend to their wounded.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 116):

OOC: I forgot about the breakdown, so I'll grant you that. As to the number of trips, if we can get it done in one then great! But your earlier assessment of the load involved and ENS's wagon's capacity made me think it would require 3 trips... if Winter's wagon is larger then we could probably do it in one trip.

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 120):

OOC: The Judge's understanding from earlier posts was that both Ringgenberg's wagon AND one of the Trautman schooners would be used. That would be in line with my previous post saying that all the Trautman goods, along with the professor's equipment, were being loaded into one of the Trautman schooners. At least, that was the intended communication. The Judge offers his apologies if that wasn't clear. That understanding is based in the initial PM conversation between Judge/Ringgenberg re: the number and weight of the bodies and limits of his own wagon as pulled by one horse. Around that same time, Winters offered one of the Trautman wagons, and so it sounded like two would be used as meat wagons.

Moreover, the three hunters have done a lot of the moving of furniture and supplies, with Oldman's and Lorelei's direction (most recently PCs were burying the Trautman party, tending wounds, etc., although the Judge doesn't mean to imply that none of the PCs were involved in the wagon-work, just that Rasmin's hunters have been involved each time that unloading or loading has taken place). They are eager to return to The Flat; they have an understanding that Winters, the Trautman girls, Ringennberg, the sheriff, themselves and maybe others are packing up to head towards The Flat, with a stop to dispose of bodies. So they are loading up for what they expect to be one trip, using two of the three wagons to haul dead Comanche, with one of the Trautman schooners temporarily carrying the rest of the group's bulk.

If that works for the professor and no other PC has an objection, let's move on. If what the hunters and Lorelei have been preparing needs intervention for some reason, then handle that IC.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 121):

OOC: I really don't want to put pennies in this game because I feel it's gone on way too long, but I have a question. Would Randy be aware of what the plans are for the Comanche bodies? Is it to deposit them with the other burials that were found earlier in the trip?

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 115):

When ENS raised the issue of directions to the Indian burial site with Jake, the Texan scratched his chin whiskers as he pondered for a moment. "Seems like most ever'body -- 'ceptin' Travis, I s'pose, an' maybe JEB . . . I don't rightly know what his plans is -- will be goin' at least as far as the burial site, so I reckon I'll ride along."

"Once we git thaere, though, I ain't got no int'rest in buryin' no dead Comanches. I'd jest as soon leave 'em lyin' whaere they lay out yonder on the field of battle, if'n 'twas my call. I reckon that I don't mind ridin' look-out whilst the buryin' is goin' on, though."

In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 122):

OOC: There's no reason Randy wouldn't be aware of the plan. The professor has talked about it publicly several times and, as we have always said, anything posted publicly is public knowledge that PCs would learn eventually. Randy would have had plenty of opportunity to have heard the idea.

Which is, in my understanding, to move the Comanche to the burial site encountered the previous day and then leave them there. Whether the intent is to fully bury them like the other bodies were found, or just to leave them in that spot, is something about which the Judge is not certain.
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In reply to Jake Richardson (msg # 123):

OOC: I'll take Jake's reply as a confirmation of my question in the previous post.


Randy interjects into the proceedings. He addresses ENS in a matter-of-fact tone. "Listen here, Bangtail. I can tell this about these here plans you'n gots--they stink. I spent time with the Cheyenne, as did Travis, so I knows a thing or two. If'n there is some respect you'n mean to show these warriors, it'd just be taken as a frump. Only the Comanche can give'em they's rightful burial. B'sides, if'n any them come back and find they's leader gone, they'd be hell to pay. If'n them mad Injuns did come after you'n for them bodies, they'd find you'n easy with all the tracks the wagons'll leave. And without all us together, I ain't one to discuss what'll happen to the pretty Trautman misses.

"This here's a time you'n best listen to some one what know better than you'n." Emphatically, Randy asks, "Don't think I knows? Go on and ask Circling Hawk." He points to the Tonkawa leader.

Big'un concludes by adding in precisely the same tone as he's taken all along, "This I'm tellin' true, you'n best learn to bite the bit before long or you'n gonna get more people hurt than y'ownself."

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 119):

"The Comanche will return if they have enough riders." He pauses, looking out over the battlefield. "I do not know how many there are. Some of them are Kiowa." Circling Hawk's last words, mentioning the Kiowa, are as full of venom as when he speaks of the Comanche.

In reply to Circling Hawk (msg # 126):

So the Comanche are intent on ruining my day.

To best inform his allies, Travis shares the tactical information, numbers, the false flag, a rehash of what they learned from the settlers, and how their battle progressed.

I hope this information will help you.  I will ride with the settlers until I know they are safe.  You may ride with us if you like.

In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 125):

Well Randy, I have a greater concern than just honor... rotting corpses in a watershed spreads disease such as the cholera Ayasha contracted. Moving them to the burial ground would help that since I trust that they selected the location sensibly.

ENS sighs.

Still, while I find it hard to believe the Comanche would return so soon after such a defeat, it certainly cannot be ruled out. After all, I am the inexperienced one as you seem to enjoy pointing out with your insult. So I will relent on this plan if we can assure that it does get done soon... Sheriff Cruger, can you get the Calvary to return here to ensure the dead are moved, either by the Comanche or by them?

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 128):

Certainly satisfied by Ringgenberg's decision, Randy responds politely, "Thanks.

"I'm more'n happy to help get all that gear up on you'ns wagon and battened down for the trek back to the Flat, or where ever you'n ends up. We can take care of this in no time if'n we get started right away," which the big guy does.


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The Sheriff eventually returns from the battlefield, while Sunday continues to speak with Circling Hawk. Once he has dismounted he gathers that Ringgenberg is calling off the movement of the Comanche, and then he hears the professor's question.

"I have no purview over the federals, Ringgenberg. I figured you had your reasons for wanting to move the dead and I saw no reason to stand in your way. My report will be shared with the officers at the Fort."

Cruger asks for a word with the liveryman and they move away for a short time.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 127):

Circling Hawk nudges his horse in a semi-circle, facing the battlefield and therefore looking away from Sunday. His men fall into place alongside the leader, as if they intend to ride out soon.

"We will be nearby," the Tonkawa leader answers, over his shoulder. After a few moments, allowing Sunday any final words he wishes to speak, Circling Hawk and his warriors guide their mounts down the western slope.

After chatting for a moment with the Perfesser, Jake returned to his task of picking out a kid to have available as a remount, if needed.

In reply to Circling Hawk (msg # 131):

Travis lets his allies have the final word.  The he turns and gallops back to the gaggle.

Mr. Winters looks like you'll have the pleasure of my company. I can't honor my promise and see you safe unless I compete your journey with you.

Loudly so he can be overheard.

The Tonk think the Comanche may take another run at us.

Breaking his gaze with his new friend, he turns to the official.

Cruger, Circling Hawk says some Kiowa have joined their war party. With this new information I recommend we abandon the Professors funeral and move at best speed towards the Flat.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 133):

ENS overhears Travis and pauses in his packing to speak up.

I have already given up that task in the interest of the Winters' safety, though I do have concerns... regardless it will be good to have you with us... if only for a while.

ENS rubs his chin for a moment then calls to Cruger.

Sheriff, a word when you have a moment please?

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 133):

"That is not new information." says the Sheriff, in reply to Sunday's statement.

It appears that the sheriff might have continued, but when ENS interjects, Cruger holds his tongue and turns his attention to the professor.

"What now, Ringgenberg?"

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OOC: Because the players often forget things presented in previous chapters, the Judge will note that the Kiowa have been mentioned in this business from the beginning, including by townsfolk back in The Flat--before the PCs left town--who had suggested that any renegade band of Indians might consist of more than one tribe. There were other notes as well: for example, a Kiowa arrow was identified at the abandoned camp site that the party found before the events of this day's battle.

Hearing the professor's decision to abandon the plan to move the Comanche, the bounty hunter speaks to Cole Trayne.

"I am ready to ride north, Trayne. Let's mount up."

Working with haste, but handling the items with as much care as possible, Randy loads Ringgenberg's buckboard. It is unlikely there is any item which the big feller can't lift on his own. With his height, he lifts each item to easily set it in the wagon. He arranges the conveyance with a surprising balance, even better than before. Randy proves proficient in this ability, likely because of packing his own mule so many times. If there is a canvas tarp to cover the load, Big'un wraps it tightly and tucks the edges. He finalizes the bulk by wrapping the entire load with a webbing of a single rope and secured with knots taught to him on the cattle drive five years before.

"ENS, I saw a spear what must'a stuck in my Fanny not far from. Did you'n get one of them for you'ns school? That one's got a story to it at least." Mr. Big'un appears a bit misty, but resolved to work through it.

Turning to everyone else, "what about them rifles them Injuns had. Was they picked up?"

Then, Randy hears Rasmin's call to ride.

He steps over to JEB for a quick farewell. "I'll see to Cole, or I'm dead tryin'.

"I fears you gots trouble to work through or matters is gonna go all balls. I mights be wrong, but still.

"Be well, friend." Randy pulls the glove from his right hand and extends it. After giving JEB any opportunity to respond, the big feller departs.

He pulls together his own two horses, Tahoe and Vovo. He rides Tahoe, a pale red Sorrel, for the ride out while Vovo the Pinto carries the very light amount of gear remaining. Mr. Big'un rides beside Rojas.

"Jake and ENS, it was my pleasure."

OOC: I know the battening of the wagon will take a little while, perhaps fifteen to twenty minutes based on how I pack my own trailer (I have a preternatural spacial sense). Randy's questions are put in the mix of comments and discussion whenever possible, but I feel they're important.

edit: farewells
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In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 137):

I'm riding with Cole as well.

In reply to Sheriff Cruger (msg # 135):

Until Circling Hawk confirmed it, it was just a rumor to me.  Travis looks around and helps out where he can.  He looks for abandoned weapons and takes them to the women folk.

In reply to Sheriff Cruger (msg # 135):

ENS moves in close to Cruger and talks low.

Two things sheriff; first, is there someone we can contact when we get to Throckmorton or Fort Griffin about these bodies? I do intend to follow up on this as it is a matter of public safety. And second, I know you have no direct authority over him, but considering that an attack on Rasmin's diminished party could be catastrophic, is it worth advising him not to travel at this time? In fact, wouldn't he be putting Mr. Trayne, his charge, in harm's way?

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 140):

"Advise him as you please," says the Sheriff. "It is none of my concern."

In reply to James E. Beauregard (msg # 138):

"Alrighty," Big'un says to Beauregard. "I did not know that."

Realizing the very most recent acquaintance might be slighted, Randy turns to Winters. "Look after all what you'ns got precious, long ears. Then again, they is gotta be lookin' after you'n as well."

Cole mounts up without a word. He patiently waits to catch the eye of those who will not be riding with him, and silently nods in thanks to each in turn.

He then stares off to the horizon, and waits.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 133):

The Old Man tipped his worn out hat and smiled.

"Sure thing Mister Sunday. That vould be vonderful yah? I'm most grateful I am. Ya bet ya I am. I best be get'n my vahgun ready. Danke!"

In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 142):

As the Old Man heard Mr. Big'un speak, he held out his age spotted hand.

"I'll do jus that big feller. I vant ta thank ya for all ya did ta help me n' the girls. So Danke! Ya vatch out for Mr. Trayne yonder. I hope ta make it ta San Fran if I can manage it. Once I get the girls settled yah? I vant ta speak on his behalf. How he help save us yah?"

he then went up and held his hand out to Cole.

"I vish ya the best. Danke! For helping me n' the girls. I'll be see'n ya if I can help it."

In reply to Theodore Winters (msg # 145):

Hands are shaken.

OOC: The Judge's current understanding is:
Rasmin's party, heading north - Trayne, Beauregard, Richardson, Oldman, Rojas
Sheriff's party, heading south - Haverty, Sunday, Winters, Ringgenberg, Trautman women, 3 hunters

If the above is incorrect, please post to clarify. The Judge senses that the PCs are close to heading out, based on recent PC posts. It seems that ENS might have more to say, and possibly others, too, so the Judge is holding a little longer before proceeding with narrative.

In reply to Sheriff Cruger (msg # 141):

ENS is taken aback.

So your authority as a ranger is only for looking for renegades? Not for the safety and advisement of travelers? I would think you could at least advise Senor Rojas about the potential threat to his client... give him the chance to lodge an official complaint?

In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 137):

Jake smiled at Randy's parting words. "Reckon that if'n we're splittin' up here an' now, I'll ride with you an' Rojas, accompanyin' Cole."

Turning to ENS,Waiting until there was a break in the conversation between ENS and Sheriff Cruger, the Texan held out his hand to the Easterner. "Take good care of yerself, Perfesser. Hope to see you again afore too long."

He also held out his hand to Mister Winters. "Luck to you an' yours, Mister Winters. Sorry to make yer acquaintance in such unfortunate cir-cum-stances." Jake's Texas drawl elongated the final word to three syllables.

Hearing Rasmin's call to mount up, Jake did so, holding the reins of the kid that he intended to ride as a remount, if need be. He planned to look around and see if anyone was tending to the remuda of extra horses.

Edited as noted to take ENS's ongoing conversation with Cruger into account.
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In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 148):

Cruger looks at Ringgenberg as if he sprouted a second head.

"You think Rasmin cannot figure that out for himself? He knows what he is doing. Rojas, too. They have no need for me to advise them one whit."

In reply to Sheriff Cruger (msg # 150):

ENS shakes his head. Then pauses to shake Jake's hand.

Stay safe out there Jake... I will see if I can make my way out to San Francisco to join you!

He turns back to Cruger.

Very well then; on the matter of these bodies, who will be contacted to ensure their disposal? Who will you be reporting to?

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 151):

Cruger narrows his eyes as he responds to the professor.

"Are you keeping tabs on me, Ringgenberg?"

In reply to Jake Richardson (msg # 149):

The Old Man shook the Texan's hand and gave the rifleman a nod.

"Ya too Mister Richardson. Ya too! Thanks fer all yer help. I hope ta see ya in San Fran. Take care ah yerself n' Mister Trayne ta boot."

Overhearing the Professor and the Sheriff's conversation the Winters held up a near skeletal hand.

"Now now Sheriff... The professor vas jus ask'n ah question. Nobody here thinks ya are do'n ah bad job. No siree! Vee are all on the same side. Cholera is nuth'n ta fool vith. If it can be prevented then someone aught ta come back n' look inta it."

He then turned to the Professor "Maybe vee can come back this vay n' see ta it Professor? I'd be up ta help'n ya once the girls ate seen ta that is."

In reply to Theodore Winters (msg # 153):

"Thank you for the vote of confidence, Mr. Winters. I reckon that your new pards feel differently. My report will include the facts about the dead Indians . . . and Ringgenberg's recommendation."

In reply to Sheriff Cruger (msg # 154):

ENS nods.

Very well then, as we travel I shall write out my concerns and recommendations for you to include in you report. Thank you for your offer Mr. Winters, we will definitely consider it as we plan to go forward.

ENS moves off to say goodbye to his departing friends.

OOC: Last call for posts before fade-to-black. With the holiday weekend, that call is open through 5/26/15.
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In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 137):

ENS encounters Randy as he finishes up the loading. When he mentions his Fanny, ENS looks somber.

I, I'll look for it Randy... you be safe out there, and take care of Cole. Hopefully I can make my way out there soon.

He exchanges a handshake with the big man and then walks over to Cole and JEB.

OOC: I'm assuming this occurs as part of Randy's msg#137... the timing he mentioned seems correct.

You gentlemen stay safe out there! Mr. Rasmin, splitting this group up when there is an angry tribe at large seems risky to me, but you do have excellent backup along. Nevertheless, you are responsible for their safety... so please don't let your mission overcome your common sense!

He will exchange handshakes with Cole and JEB, and even Rasmin if he desires.

Once done there, ENS will take a quick walk out towards Fanny for the mentioned lance and any other interesting items he may see; he won't linger since he knows the groups will be departing soon.

In reply to Sheriff Cruger (msg # 154):

The Old Man smiled at the Sheriff and nodded.

"That's gud yah? That's all ya can do. Who's the Sheriff at Fort Griffin if ya vith the Rangers? It'd be gud ta know. I vant the girls ta be safe ya know?"

In reply to Theodore Winters (msg # 158):

"I am the sheriff of Shackelford county. My assignment on behalf of the Rangers is temporary. On account of the renegade Indians."

With the noonday sun overhead, the men and women who had stood against the Comanche renegades now part ways. Two groups form: several riders being led north by Garrett Rasmin, and a trio of wagons heading south toward Fort Griffin and The Flat.

Some of those returning towards Shackelford County had not expected to see the place again so soon. For others, the place promised safety from the recent perils of the frontier plains. For yet others, the place was home. Although Winters and his granddaughters did not know what to expect in regard to the Fort, the company of these accomplished trail riders--from Travis Sunday to the Sheriff to the hunter called Boyd--offered hope and confidence.

The men riding with Rasmin had their various reasons for doing so. No matter what else a body might say about the man, the bounty hunter cannot be faulted for his dedication to his task. He guides the riders and their small remuda slightly northeast, mentioning that he intends to re-join the trail that the party was following the previous day, following its cut to the northwest.

For a time, the members of the southbound wagon-train and the northbound riders glance over their shoulders to see the distance separating the respective travelers. As the bodies grow smaller on the horizon, the sense of a difficult parting fills the minds of some old pards, as sure as the sun will set in a few hours.

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OOC: The Judge is fading to black here.

OOC:
The Judge is requesting input from all players. Points for discussion (in the order that they came to mind this morning):

1. Do you want to continue playing this game? The rest of the questions assume there is critical mass for 'yes' but the Judge doesn't want to assume anything at this time.

2. Do you want to continue playing this game with the same characters? An alternative would be to play in Goin' Through the Mill with new characters, so the Judge is curious whether anyone be interested/open to such a path.

3. Assuming same characters:
a. do you want to continue the current scenario, with Cole on his way to SF at which some point the Judge would fade-up and re-join the story, or
b. would you prefer to skip the resolution of Trayne's predicament, with the Judge (or Judge and players in a cooperative effort, which would also appy to 'a.') summarizing a narrative to advance to a new adventure?

4. Of which are you more in favor?
a. an open-ended scenario, or
b. a structured adventure with a more pre-determined beginning, middle and end

5. Please express any thoughts and ideas about the kind of game you would like to play (or would NOT like to play) assuming #1 is positive. Please include specific ideas about the resolution of Cole Trayne, as well as general thoughts about moving forward in this game.

The Judge has several ideas but wants to hear from the players before moving forward with anything. The Judge expects a hiatus before we would return to the game (again, assuming #1 . . . ) in order to have this discussion and then for the Judge to prepare according to whatever consensus (or majority opinion) we reach. For the record, the Judge has ideas that he could easily develop during a short hiatus if the players have no strong preferences and want to continue; nevertheless, he would prefer to develop something that is of most interest to the most players, and therefore these questions (and probably follow-up questions to the players' ideas).

I definitely want to keep playing. I like Winters and wanted to do some role playing set in the Flat. Yet, if the consensus is to start with new characters, I would not be opposed to that either. I am very open in this regard and would like to hear what others have in mind. Cheers

I'm interested in playing. I'm further interested in continuing with my current character. I do have a character in reserve--not Chance--that the judge would have to approve. I'm good on either front.

When it comes to the scenario, I am not very interested in the labor it takes go through the trial. Personally, I'd like to see Cole acquitted of all charges. Easy enough to say it was a case of self-defense--he wasn't willing to carry out the deed, so he killed the boss before the boss killed him. With no witnesses, there's no case to be made against him. Or something like that to bend the game reality.

As for the future of the Buffaloes and the new comers, well that's more interesting. I would imagine rejoining JEB on his hunt for the gang who killed his deputy would be the logical next step for adventures. That is assuming he wants the help. Since Cole, JEB, Jake, and Randy are together in San Francisco, rejoining Travis and ENS would be the only issue. The telegraph communication method would be the most practical solution.

My piece/peace.

I would like to continue to play.

I would like to use the same character.

I am happy to continue with the San Francisco storyline but....

I think we should play out a structured adventure, which the newer comers had indicated they would prefer, in this case all characters can equally participate (no one sits in the hoosegow past scene 1).

The classic scenario for moving forward is the "pardon" in exchange for deadly mission.  I heard of you, I heard you were dead. or of course a scene 1 jailbreak where the judge starts us in the middle of the action, followed by the next adventure.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 164):

I don't mind the open ended scenarios... makes for interesting developments. I'm also kind of partial to ENS, so I'd like to continue the character.

For ENS's part, he has determined to secure his wagon and make best pace to SF (preferably with Travis and other company, as he doesn't want to travel through the wilderness alone). If he can take his wagon, he will, but he is somewhat resigned to leaving it as long as it is secure.

I guess I am assuming Travis will travel with us until we're near a town, at which point he'll leave to avoid authorities. ENS was prepared to try to arrange a meeting on the trail as needed. However, if a side adventure that resolves Travis' situation can be done, ENS will participate (within his previously played reservations of course).

Thank you for the replies so far. A consensus (or at least majority without dissent) seems to be building for continuing the game with the present PCs. Two players have yet to log in since my posts 24 hours ago and I suspect another will post this morning, so we will see if that consensus holds true. The Judge waits for more input, but a few ideas have been presented so the Judge will respond and ask some follow-ups.

Re: Randy mentioning a "not like" of a trial for Trayne
For the record, the Judge has no desire to play out a trial for either Trayne or Sunday. That has never been on my idea list for the game-play. If the idea to have a narrative summary for such an outcome proves to have a consensus, the Judge would be on board but playing out a trial is not a scenario I want to play in a game forum.

Re: Randy mentioning PCs "are in SF together"
Not sure if Randy means this to say he believes this is the natural outcome of the trail ride, or if he expects this to be the outcome of the trail ride, or if he is just discussing a potential outcome. Travis ideas (next) also seem to indicate an expectation of landing in SF. The Judge is not against that, but neither does he think that is the only way to move forward.

So as a follow-up question in general: if current PCs continue and the general answer to #3 is, "yes, let's resume the scenario at some point" (whether with option 'a.' or 'b.'), then do you have a preference for where we resume? Do you want to resume/reunite in SF? Or are current PCs interested in a different resolution?

Re: Travis mentioning a "classic" scenario (or two)
Those are both similar to ideas on my list. Either of those could work. I have other ideas that are in the same vein. Seeing as Travis easily identified two options and knowing I have other viable ideas (structured or open-ended) that can be developed just as easily, this reminds me of why Judge stated that there were several viable ways to move forward in the game, when we were discussing things as the previous chapter came to a close. Now, if there were a consensus for the Judge to "fade up at the time of his choosing and begin an adventure akin to the ideas put forth by Travis," then the Judge could easily do that. (I will say that my opinion is that the time for the jailbreak has sort of passed--that scenario would have been better in The Flat than say, in San Francisco.)

Re: Winters mentioning his flexibility
Appreciate the flexibility. For some players, trying new PCs is more fun than playing a long time one. The Judge and the player have had PMs about this before and that's how he ended up playing Winters.

Re: Winters mentioning RP in The Flat
The Judge would be open to that; however, it would mean that we would have to have two different groups playing simultaneously for a bit, assuming Rasmin's group also wants to do RP instead of skipping ahead. Or perhaps the Judge and the player work out a PM sidebar for that while (or before) group play resumes. The question of whether we fade-up shortly after the FTB in #160 with more RP time, vs. skipping ahead to some other point in time is a primary question for me.

So, as another follow-up to question 3 assuming that path were taken: how soon do PCs want the story to fade-up? In a couple of days to allow RP in either The Flat or the trail? After the entire group is rejoined (meaning skipping RP such as Winters' RP in The Flat)? At any time of the Judge's choosing, assuming he provides narrative to reunite existing players (or weave in new ones if desired)? In a particular place? San Francisco? Anywhere else? I know Travis has mentioned Deadwood in the past. For clarity, the Judge will reiterate that he is not against a "landing" in SF, he just isn't assuming that is the outcome. I have scenarios in mind for that outcome, because it is a logical progression and because I know some PCs have expressed interested in a SF adventure. But we don't have to continue that way if we don't want to.

Re: ENS thoughts on open-ended scenarios
Thanks for expressing that thought. I find open-ended scenarios more interesting than a structured adventure. The Judge has written structured adventures (DHR's Hidden Canyon is a traditional western adventure with such structure) and is willing to manage such an adventure here if that if it is the group preference. At the same time, the Judge would be happy to continue with more open-ended gaming, including a fade-up shortly after the FTB in #160 for more role playing--if there were a consensus for that path. It seems to me that so far that only one player has voiced a strong preference on the question of 4a or 4b. To me, this is important.

So, the Judge asks again. Please state a preference, as if you were king of the world, as to whether you would want 4a or 4b.

Re: ENS mentioning Sunday's near-future
The Judge isn't assuming Sunday's actions as he approaches The Flat, but based on the PCs IC statements, the Judge would not expect Sunday to enter town or return to Albany. If we were to fade-up around that time, it could be played out, but if we jump ahead, the Judge would move forward with the last plan as stated by the PC--to head west with the intention of getting to SF no later than Trayne--unless the PCs or Travis in particular asked for something different. As noted earlier in this post, the Judge has no desire to play out a trial. Based on Sunday's IC posts, he would not show up for a trial by choice, so that seems like a moot point and the Judge has not spent time, as of now, thinking about a next step that involves Travis in The Flat.

Players might be noticing a trend here, in that the Judge wants the players to frame the next chapter(s) of the game, giving the Judge a basis for setting up the scenario, whatever that might mean. So please continue to give input, especially in regard to #3 and #4 which seem to be the crux of the discussion right now.
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In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 166):

Good morning, all,

Sorry that I didn't get around to posting yesterday. I had intended to do so, but we have company in the house, and that generally cuts down on my gaming time.

Let's see:

1. Yes.

2. Yes, would prefer to continue with the same character. I've grown kinda fond of ol' Jake. :)

3. Would prefer (a.), with the Judge resuming the story at a time and in whatever locations seem most appropriate to him. I would think that anywhere from several days to a week, game-time, would be a good fit.

4. I think (b.), until its resolution, then we can take stock again with respect to going forward from that point. Perhaps we could play out a structured scenario, where forces and people beyond the control of the characters are calling the shots, then revert to a more open-ended progression.

5. I agree with Randy and the Judge, in that I'm not really all that enthusiastic about RPing a trial for Cole, assuming that the party eventually reaches San Francisco. Other than that, I don't really have any strong preferences. That may or may not change, once the party reaches the end of the next chapter of game-play, however that happens to play out.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 166):

4a--It's good the be the king.

But as a caveat, there must be a resolution to at least one of the two fugitives. Cole is the most likely. Now, at one point in the proceedings, Randy got the impression Rasmin wasn't really going to take Cole to San Francisco. Instead, he was going to find a way to extort Cole or he was paid off to see that Cole was freed with a logical story, i.e. Cole fell down a ravine and couldn't be retrieved. Nevertheless, as king, I don't want two posses after the group.

Meeting in San Francisco would seem a reasonable method of rejoining the group. That doesn't mean they must stay there. However, I know Randy would like to take on some fights in SF and earn some money because he's pretty tapped out. Again, this doesn't have to be fully RP'd, perhaps just a few dice rolls. He'd like to earn a hundred dollars or even more--completely possible at his level of fighting. The fellers could even raise their wealth with their own gambling skills. This be the proclamation of the king.

Hey all!

I am really okay with structured or open ended adventures. Also, though most do not want RP the trial, San Fran would be nice to visit even for a time. I still debating Winters as my PC but I do like the old fella. I do not need to RP in the Flat if everyone else is ready to move to the new adventure. My two cents! Cheers

Wanted to follow-up on this one, further, now that several players have weighed in:
Based on "new comers" recent comments, I don't think it is accurate to say the "new comers" have indicated a preference for a structured adventure.

It seems that Jake prefers structured, for now. Winters (the player who goes by various PC names) has indicated he is okay with either option, and ENS said he "didn't mind" open-ended scenarios, which might not indicate a preference but doesn't sound like a preference for structured either (I expect that he will clarify that opinion). I'm not sure why it was your opinion, Mr. Sunday, that the new comers would prefer a structured adventure (at least why it was your opinion before those players had responded to my inquiries). I think the further discussion will clarify that once everyone has weighed in on 4a or 4b.

My count for question #4 at this time is:
2 votes for structured (Travis, Jake)
1 vote for open ended (Randy)
1 vote for whatever/abstention (Winters)
1 "okay with" open ended but not yet confirmed (ENS)

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 170):

I will continue playing the same PC until he dies or retires, at which time I have a framework in mind for another character. I prefer structured gaming as I don't possess much of an entrepreneurial spirit. As far as where to pick up the story, continuing from the present point appears sufficient.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 170):

To clarify (as requested), I like the open ended style in general. But I really don't care either way; if the Judge has a structured adventure that can resolve some of these dilemmas then go for it!

For #4, the Judge now counts
3 votes for structured (Travis, Jake, JEB)
2 votes for open ended (Randy, ENS)
1 vote for whatever/abstention (Winters)
1 unvoted (Cole)
Noted: Cole has yet to log in since the Judge posted his questions in #160; his voice in this matter is important; not only the question of 4a or 4b, but regarding all of the Judge's questions posed in #160. I might contact him in RL; if someone beats me to it, please ask him to check in. That said, I'm continuing my follow-ups:

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As ENS noted for himself, it is probably fair to say that no one has an objection to playing the opposite of his vote if that was the majority opinion. The Judge is asking for preferences (it is good to be the king . . . "pissboy!") and the above tally is my understanding so far.

It seems clear that continuing present characters is preferred by most. The Judge will say that any player who CHOOSES to play a new character is always welcome to exercise that option, even if others continue their current PCs.

Re: JEB's "continuing from the present"
JEB's comment confuses me in regard to the preference for a structured adventure. The present time doesn't really help to foster a structured adventure, as two groups are going in different directions. In my view, resuming at the present time requires an open-ended approach. Picking up at any time in the near future requires RP and PC direction--as opposed to the Judge fading up at some point in the future where a structured adventure can be quickly "set up." Do you see what I mean?

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As for fading up, that seems to be getting murkier. Different opinions have been expressed about the timing of the fade-up. At least two PCs have expressed a desire to fade up in the near future. At least two others have expressed thoughts of fading up into a new environment (e.g. San Francisco, although the Judge is still open to thoughts of other environments).

The Judge has been doing some deeper research on SF as it was in 1877. I have a couple of adventure hooks that I could develop into either a structured or open-ended chapter(s), if a consensus evolves to fade up in that vicinity. I could ramp up on a different environment if the group decided to pursue a different location.

So I ask in a different way now that I have a better idea of what people are interested in:
Would you enjoy a story that starts with a fade-up narrative of the Judge's choosing, in or near San Francisco, that would focus on the resolution of Cole Trayne's predicament?
   - The vote on 4a vs. 4b would determine the structure (or lack thereof).
   - All PCs involved, but each character's entrance might be different based on the path to the west coast.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 173):

I've stated twice my preference for a San Francisco fade-up. Furthermore, I've offered a hook for Randy in that town--pugilism. I haven't had the chance to run Randy in a fight for a while and he has newly leveled abilities. I think it would make for fun, at least for me. I think there is RP opportunities for others during the fight, making for clever and keen enhancement.

I get the sense that JEB wants to play out the travel so he can take out Rasmin. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, just that I understand, assuming I'm not wrong. This vote might (stressing the word) take his plan (if it is actually his plan) off the table. I don't want any bad blood over it, but it doesn't change my vote. I just want to nod to the character's passion and intent.

But, there is a great deal of logic in a fade-up in SF. First, the trial will run its course. Second, it gives any other characters time to arrive in SF. Third, if the judge sees fit to manage the trial in such a way that Cole is exonerated, SF is the only place this can take place. Finally, SF provides many different opportunities for the judge to get his 'hook on.'

I'm hoping to plead my case in an attempt to affect any fence-sitters (mugwumps) or sway any others.

And I don't even like the Niners or the Giants.

In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 174):

I think a trial will take two years real life and Cole will again be the focus and the one with nothing to do.  We'll spin our wheels again wondering what Cole wants us to do, and he'll give us crap to work with.  I know this because we just spent a calendar year trying to leave town, wondering what Cole wanted and him giving us crap to work with.  I love you like a brother Cole but you were not enabling our group's decision making.  So....

I prefer a rapid resolution to the Cole situation so Cole, Jake, Winters and the professor can be equally invested in the story hook.  I would sit out happily if JEB is ready to kill Rasmin on the trail, like Travis would have.

First thing first, apologies for the unexpected absence. RL lately has been utterly distracting.

Anyway,

1. Yes

2. Continue playing, with the same character

3. My preference would be (b), but I would not have a serious objection to (a)

4. Structured adventure would be my preference, but I wouldn't seriously object to open-ended if that was the consensus

5. I'm not overly interested in a SF trial, but I will adapt to the role play, regardless of the scenario...

6. I will endeavor to give Travis something other than crap with which to work. Admittedly, I find it interesting that it seems to be Cole's responsibility to enable decision making, for the group at large. Seems to me characters are free to make their own decisions, and the others simply adapt to those choices. If we all wait for 100% consensus before making any decisions, very little will progress. Or worse, re-boots occur.

Cole chooses to go with the bounty hunter. Group adapts.
Travis chooses to kill the bounty hunter. Group adapts.
Cole chooses to shoot the bounty hunter in the back. Group adapts.

It is only reasonable to expect that some of the group would have some objection, to any decision that is made. The interesting part of the roleplay, for me, is how the individual PC responds to the situation before them.

A fade-up to 1877 'Frisco sounds like fun. I'm good with that. :)

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 175):

The judge doesn't understand why talk continues about a SF trial. The Judge has no interest in playing a trial scenario, as stated previously.

In reply to Cole Trayne (msg # 176):

I apologize my writing is sometimes the equivalent of resting bitch face.  Offensive without intent.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 179):

A fadeup in SF would be fine with me. I also wouldn't mind a side adventure to help resolve Travis' situation, but that doesn't seem conducive to getting us all together in a timely manner (as Travis noted about gaming time).

In reply to E.N.S. Ringgenberg (msg # 180):

Travis doesn't care about his situation.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 178):

My comment regarding the trial was more related to a timeline. I'm proposing the fade-up happen shortly after the trial where Cole is acquitted. That's why discussion of the trial still happens. It's all about timing.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 179):

No offense taken. Honestly, I was just trying to be a smart-ass.

In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 182):

In that case, then the Judge wasn't clear enough in the proposal for a SF fade-up.


The timing of the judge's proposal wasn't intended to occur shortly after a trial where Trayne is acquitted. My post said "a fade-up narrative of the Judge's choosing." The Judge's inclination wouldn't jibe with a post-trial scenario. That said, I understand that Randy would like to see the timing of that happen after a trial. Nevertheless, the Judge's proposition was to let the Judge decide when that fade-up occurs.

I did say that I would be willing to craft a narrative delivering such an outcome (an acquittal in a trial), if we reaced a consensus for that outcome. I stand by that statement, but I haven't perceived such a consensus. In the Judge's opinion, that isn't a logical outcome for Cole's predicament, but I would hand-waive all of the Judge's concerns if everyone wanted to proceed that way. So far, it doesn't seem like everyone is in agreement on that point. If the Judge is wrong, then anyone who thinks he is wrong should state explicitly that he prefers (or would go along with) a fade-up that occurs after an acquittal.

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New tally for #4
4 votes for structured adventure
2 votes open-ended scenario
1 abstention

Therefore, while we don't have a player consensus on structured vs. open-ended, it seems clear that most of the players would prefer a structured adventure (or at least, not object to it). The discussion in regard to question 3--and the Judge's previous proposal--seem to indicate that most players would be fine with a fade-up in SF (either preferring that or being okay with it), although it seems that different PCs have different ideas about what that might mean.

To focus on that element, another follow-up question for all players. Assuming that a fade-up in SF, with a structured adventure to follow, becomes our direction, is your preference:
to have that fade-up happen AFTER a resolution to Trayne's predicament, OR
to have that fade-up serve as the beginning of an adventure resolving to Trayne's predicament?

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 184):

I vote fade up at the end of an adventure resolving Cole's issues.  Just the, hook for the next adventure, a boss battle or big finish. Then structured adventure.

If not then FU after resolution.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 184):

As for the consensus on structured v. open, I am not opposed to structured. I simply felt it was an interesting opportunity to write our own destiny. However, my feeling aren't so strong as to hold up any decision in that direction.

Turning to the follow-up question:

I'm absolutely only interested in playing if the adventure begins after the peaceful resolution of Cole's predicament. In other words, don't count me in unless it is a post trial situation. As I said before, I'm not interested in playing with more than one outlaw in the group--none would be preferable, but that cannot be stopped at this point.

Judge did you say you already had an adventure planned set in San Fran? If so, is it before or after the trial? Can it be modified? Cheers

In reply to Theodore Winters (msg # 187):

No. I noted that I had a couple of SF adventure hooks in mind. I was proposing to develop one of those into a structured adventure at the fade up time of my choosing. The idea I was proposing would happen before any trial could happen. I didn't want to give away any of the scenario if I could avoid it, but I might as well now . . . This idea would obviate the trial. The notion of fading up post-trial is incompatible with this particular idea.

If the PC consensus is to pick up play after a trial, that proposed idea will not apply. i would need to develop something else. Travis' idea to pick up in the last scene of resolution wouldn't work with this particular idea either, which is why I continue to pose questions.

In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 174):

JEB has no interest in taking out Rasmin. Asshole Cruger on the other hand..... Fade in at SF is fine by me.

I will now give my thoughts.

1. I want to continue this game. Mostly, I enjoy running it. I asked these and follow-up questions because i want to play something of interest to everyone, even if it doesn't match to everyone's preferences. I didn't expect a perfect union. So I asked for preferences first, to see what common ground exists.

2. I would prefer to see some new characters. Randy's note about not wanting to have outlaws in the group is telling to me. It speaks to the general tensions amongst this group of PCs, as well as some fundamental differences between their world views. I can understand why people want to continue playing a favored character, but I don't see that tension going away. I see it rekindling, even within a more structured adventure (maybe, more so). I have interest in running a game where the players cooperate to build a group that has some common goals. Nevertheless, the players preference is clear, so on to #3.

3. Continuing with same characters is not a problem for the Judge, despite my thoughts as per #2. That said, my preference is 3a. Picking up after a trial where Cole is acquitted is more than a little lame as a conclusion to this part of the plot, in my view. I can imagine more interesting resolutions than that. As stated, I can deal with it, having said my piece about it. I would ask the players to consider this as an area of compromise, whether the trend tilts towards 3a or 3b. See below.

4. I think you know my preference for 4a.

5. I appreciate the specific ideas and opinions presented by some of the players. After the various conversation, some common ground has become clear. The idea of a fade-up in SF seems clearly enough accepted. Even the small minority (JEB, WInters) that were initially thinking of a more near future fade-up have indicated no real objections to a fade-up in SF. (JEB's clarifying statement about having no desire to take out Rasmin was helpful; that is what the Judge suspected, as the time for that approach seemed to have played itself out in this chapter.)

What remains unclear is the question of whether a majority favors a "post-trial" fade up (which I would ask the group to characterize as "post-resolution" rather than "post-trial" as a compromise re: my 3a preferences). I believe I have a good read on a few PC, but not all. Perhaps there is a consensus that simply hasn't been voiced by all PCs yet--or perhaps the Judge has misunderstood some of the "abstainers"--in regard to the timing of a fade-up. Thus:

Tally for timing of fade-up in SF
3 votes for post-resolution (Randy, Travis, Cole)
4 votes unclear or essentially an abstention (Jake, ENS, Winters, JEB)
1 vote for fade-up to be an adventure for the resolution (Judge)

The Judge asks the abstainers to clarify their thoughts on the timing of a fade-up.
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I don't have strong feelings regarding the timing of the fade-up. I'm inclined to defer to the Judge on this particular issue, and allow him to craft the plot developments as he sees fit.

Who knows, eventually "Judge's choice" may find its way into the warp and weave of the language in the same fashion that some of other iconic "choices" already have -- fielder's choice and chef's choice come to mind, as well as "Sophie's Choice". :)

PS. Silly me. I was about to forget "Hobson's choice". And being caught "Between the Devil and the Deep Blue Sea" implies some sort of a choosing, I think. :)

PPS. The Judge has my proxy on this issue.
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In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 186):

Hey.  I'm only an outlaw because I killed someone away from others instead of in the middle of a saloon.

In reply to Jake Richardson (msg # 191):

What he said because it was better than what I could say. Cheers

If you didn't he would have. I agree. Cheers

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 192):

The Judge calls bullshit on that point. If you care to discuss the matter OOC, the Judge would be happy to debate the point.

In reply to Theodore Winters (msg # 194):

Besides I'm only an outlaw in Texas.  In 1877 Doc Holliday shot someone in Ft Griffin and simply went to Dodge City and was never accosted again.  I think he later dueled someone in Dallas; after killing him he asked his pards if they were "satisfied" and no charges were filed.  So I may be a bail jumper but I'm not leading a desperado's life.

My old west facebook status is "it's complicated."

I'll work with the party and will be happy to take care of the dirty work when it needs being done.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 196):

This is exactly the point. Travis isn't an outlaw because he killed a man. He is an outlaw because he skipped out on his trial after giving Judge Ledbetter his word to show up at the trial in exchange for being released on his own recognizance.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 197):

I'm open to a new PC and would in fact welcome it. We can discuss pm.

In reply to James E. Beauregard (msg # 198):

I'd like to help Cole resolve his situation and think it would be entertaining. Not a big fan of hand-waving but if that's the consensus, then so be it.

In reply to James E. Beauregard (msg # 198):

That's an unexpected about-face, my friend. Only a few days ago you, the player, indicated you would play JEB until he dies or retires. I suppose retirement could come at any time.

I have now heard from a couple of players who are expressing interest in new characters. I meant it when I wrote that switching to new character is welcome. My preference is that new PCs are coordinated with each other in backstory in a way that facilitates game-play. That is not a requirement for introducing a new PC. I just think it would improve the gaming.

My idea for a fade-up that starts the adventure to resolve Cole Trayne's predicament would need re-building, or even scrapping, if a number of new PCs are introduced at that time. Especially if the PCs being replaced are among those with Cole on the way to San Francisco.

And that's fine; it's why I wanted to have this conversation. The game needed change and together we are figuring out how to change it in a way that players and the judge will enjoy. To Cole's point, the Judge can adapt to player preferences so let's find the common ground to move forward. Let's keep talking.

Based on the follow-ups of ENS, Jake and Winters in regard to 3a or 3b, that vote could be interpreted as split. New characters might advance an argument for 3b, although there is no reason that new characters couldn't be woven into a scenario with a 3a fade-up. Or perhaps there is now a third alternative . . . run a 3a adventure with current characters and move to 3b with new characters? Maybe in that scenario, JEB dies and his statement a few days ago (#171) proves prescient.

The Judge continues to consider how a short list of idea hooks might work in these various scenarios.

Having heard more of the preferences of your fellow players, including JEB's announcement to play a new character, what are your (plural, to the group of players) current thoughts?

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 200):

I love Travis but if there is a wave of new characters I would reconsider a compete reboot, if it served the group.

I was thinking about a new gunslinger called Trampus Monday.

Daysun Sivart, a mute, three-fingered, cross-eyed gunslinger with a limp.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 201):

That shit made me laugh. Out loud as it were.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 203):

I was not reversing course, just expressing flexibility with whatever works best for the group. Having said that, a major issue I see with continuing as JEB is the lack of current employment in his chosen class which makes some of the perks useless at this point. The situation would need to be remedied before fade in to fully utilize JEB's potential.

In reply to James E. Beauregard (msg # 204):

Okay, thanks for the flexibility. When you said you would welcome the change, it sounded like a reversal of previous statement. New characters would be interesting to the Judge, but I don't want anyone to do that unless truly interested.

As for JEB, I understand the "lack of employment" concern although it seems to me that sort of applies to everyone. Regular employment is difficult in RPoL game, especially if we are talking about a structured adventure, because of the elongated time it takes in RL to play relative to the short period of game-time that is passing.

However, I disagree that the lack of employment stops JEB from using his Tin Star perks. The ones he has (and ones that can be gained from leveling up) can be used by an unemployed lawman. Using class features, "crunch-wise," is not dependent on employment. From the "fluff" perspective,I can understand why as a player you might want to play the character in a way that would voluntarily limit the use of class features when unemployed. From the Judge's point of view, that would be a voluntary choice. The first two Tin Star features are based in Reputation, which is a strength for JEB.

If that is the only reason JEB wanted to change to a new PC, I might re-think the decision. If the chart of pros and cons leans towards new character anyway, then this is just an academic point, but I thought it was worth sharing the Judge's view about using class features.

At this time, it seems that players are split on 3a or 3b. Cole's preference for 3b is what I'm leaning toward, because his character is most affected by such a decision. Any last thoughts?
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In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 205):

Final thought:

3b assures Cole cannot elect to play a new character--were that his choice.

In reply to Randy Oldman (msg # 206):

Seems to me to be the opposite. If 3b is the choice, Cole's situation would be resolved in narrative and the player could choose to play a new character, if he were to make such a choice.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 207):

Apologies, I meant 3a (I was in a doctor's office when I replied, reading on my phone).

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 207):

I vote 3a... final answer...

I'm still fine with either, so the Judge still has my proxy.

I like  playing Cole, so I'm not particularly interested in creating a new character. Howvwr, if everyone is interested in creating new characters from scratch, I won't object.

As I wrote earlier I'm not interested in a trial storyline, so virtually any narrative that avoids that outcome is fine by me.

In reply to Cole Trayne (msg # 211):

Do you, the player, still prefer post-resolution fade-up? A trial storyline is not going to happen. Thanks for you confirmation on that point. The judge is trying to finalize whether we fade up to an adventure that involves Trayne's situation or fade up to something that happens after a narrated resolution . . . Neither of which will involve a trial. Earlier you indicated preference for post-resolution. Still true?

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Thanks to others who confirmed final preferences.

A man of gentle tone and smart attire, Charles Conway could be almost anyone you've ever met and none at the same time. His unassuming demeanor lends to his desire to listen to you and what you have to say.

So, what do you have to say? Does anyone have a character fleshed out, or at least conceptualized, to create a backstory with me? The judge doesn't need best friends, but some link to bring characters together.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 212):

Yes, post-resolution would be my preference. But,I wouldn't strenuously object  to the former.

In reply to Cole Trayne (msg # 214):

The Judge will be developing an adventure over the next few weeks.

In reply to Charles Conway (msg # 213):

Who's playing Charles?  I'm always available for backstory assistance.

In reply to Travis Sunday (msg # 216):

No big mystery here; it's Chance/Randy.