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What is your fav baddie?

I really have a soft spot for Orks <and tek heretiks for some odd reason>....
I really hope the new creatures book does them justice.

The preview of a new beasty looks awesome!
http://new.fantasyflightgames....ge_news.asp?eidn=346

And if this is the new Lictor it certainly has had a facelift since the last time I played the table top game.

I have a soft spot for the green horde, also. I'm really interested to see how their psyker powers translate into the DH setting, a giant green foot from G&M would definately up the WTF?? factor.

Has anyone tried creating a high level character? I've been playing around with the career options tonight and it is quite hard to keep track of the advances.

I have made a few high level NPC's and find it best to do each 100xp one at a time.  It does get hard to keep track of.

I've done one or two for the fun of it and alocated experence per level.

So first I'd spend 500 points at 1st level then the next 500 points to 2nd level and so on. I write down the levels on scrap paper then put the relevant abilities I buy under each level.

It means I can see quickly what I've got and makes it easy when trying to gather all the skills / ablilies together for the finishewd character.

sounds painfully simple when I read the above but I'm a simple Welshman so the simpler the better :o)
This message was last edited by the player at 08:22, Fri 23 Jan 2009.

Well from the standard DH perspective it would have to be Tau, there's just something with leaving the players knowing the 'foul xenos' society they are opposing is almost certainily nicer than the one they are protecting.

I liked Tau when they first came out. Thought they were very cool with a nice background and good models but then GW (like most things) went and ruined it. GW really has gone down hill in recent years.

I don't venture into a GW shop anymore, at 40 years old I find I just can't talk to the staff especially when I know most of them weren't even a twinkle in their parent's eye when I started gaming :o)

I also find the continually smilling faces off putting...it's like joining a cult or something :o)

Only joking I ound their figures great until they went to plastic and slot bases. I remember then in little plastic bags and a goblin cost me 30p

I just find them overly chuncky now a days but I do still like reading the books and army lists and the universe fluff is great.

I love the Tau. Why? because I play them in Warhammer 40,000 Tabletop. Great race!

"Firewarrior" is a great game for the PS2.  My first experience with the Tau.  Great fun fighting the Imp Guard, and the Space Marines still make me shudder.

You shudder, at the normal space marines?

Did you ever get past the Admiral and see that normal Space Marines are a lot, lot mild than the crap that comes for you?

I beat the game...and yes it did get a lot harder...the Space Marine were just so cool and if memory serves me it was before I was totally tricked out with guns.

The dreadnoughts were a nightmare=:)

dreadnoughts weren't that bad...
i recall shooting the crap out of one in a few seconds. Now the demon at the end.. THAT was a problem!

the only thing i hated about the game was the slow aiming system (played the PC version, which was almost a direct port from the PS2)

btw, did you guys notice that Kais (the firewarrior from.. firewarrior) has returned? In DoW Dark Crusade, the commander is also called Kais.. a coincidence? i think not!

Valthek:

Kais is actually a pretty common name in the Tau Empire.

The Tau have three parts in there name. They have their caste and rank. For example, in Fire warrior Kais is a Shas'el, so the first part of his name would Shas'el. Shas'el is a basic trooper in the Tau army. However, in Dark Crusade, Kais is a Shas'O, so the first part of his name would be Shas'O.

The second part of a Tau's name is the sept he was born on. For example, Kais in Dark Crusade was from Ta'u, so he would be known as Shas'O Ta'u Kais. The Kais from Fire warrior was also from Ta'u though.

Finally, the last part of the name is what describes the Tau. For example, Kais means skillful, and there are a lot of skillful people in the Tau Empire.

So, there are a good number of Kais' running around out there.

still a fun idea though, that it's the same character (btw, The firewarrior Kais gets a promotion halfway trough the game i believe (to shas'ui, if i'm not mistaken)

Indeed, although it takes another 3 years of continued service to get promoted to a Shas'vre and then another 3 years to get promoted to a Shas'el.

In reply to nareik123 (msg #18):

how long does it take to go from Shas'el to Shas'ui?

Sorry, I was incorrect, it was Shas'la to Shas'ui. Shas'el is actually a Commander Rank, second only to Shas'O.

Usually, to ascend a rank in the Fire Caste, you must pass a trial by fire. This is either surviving a key event or performing a specialist task. If you die, you die. If you survive, you are promoted. If you fail the task, you must wait till another trial by fire, although failing is actually really hard, compared to surviving.

Each Trial by Fire is every three years. So to reach a Shas'el rank, you must have served (and survived) for nine years, including three major tasks. Thankfuly, when you hit Shas'ui, it does become slightly easier as you get a Crisis Battlesuit for your troubles.

does killing a greater demon by yourself count as a specialist task/surviving a key event?

The chance of killing a greater daemon as a Fire warrior is virtually non existant, but I do believe it would.

New preview up on Fantasy Flight's site-



Fenksworld Pit Thing

A hand to hand beast that screws with psykers!  Nice!
d10+10 pen 3 attack!  Holy snap!

nice... might use that in my game.. MWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Please don't=:)  Jon Schmidt and his little Boom-Stick would have a big issue with that.  Although it would probably be worth a load of xp.....

Hehe is that that thing also classified as Minoris threat like the arm thingy?
This message was last edited by the player at 15:52, Tue 27 Jan 2009.

Does anyone play as a cleric? Out of the two games I play in which have a combined total of 22 players there is not a single cleric. Plenty of guardsmen, psykers and scum with the other classes represented but no clerics.

No clerics.  I tried to add one if that counts, but the player did not last very many posts.  It seems like an interesting class but I have yet to see one played.  I see it as easier to play than tech-priests but there are plenty of techs floating around in the games I run/am in.

In reply to flakk (msg #28):

Well i would put that much to the fact that the Imperial creed does not have much flesh on it compared to its more extreme angles(Redemption for example) and the Adeptus mechanicus.
I for one would love to run a redemptionist character tough ;)

i don't play one, but i've got 2 (!) in the second group of my game
one 'BURN, BURN, BURN!' cleric, and one with a tad more restraint

Great!  Can;t wait to meet them=:)

that is, if their inactivity stops (got 2/3 people who haven't posted in several days)

If not, i've initiated measures to asure that you meet up

Yah the second group I just started in my game is drying up already except for a couple of them.  I know the feeling.

"Post minimum once per game Monday-Thursday, tell me if you are going to be away."
I didn't think those rules were too hard and I got everyone to agree before adding.  <Sigh>

I know that myself and Ishmael are really digging the game and have been emailing back and forth about it so you have at least us hooked.  Corm seems to be doing well too.  An now an explosion!  The plot thickens....

i'll fix it, if those two have simply stopped, i'll add the third person to your group.

Originally there were going to be even more people, but all comunication with them went dead after the RTJ :D

It happens=:)

meh. i'm not gonna lose any sleep over it. It's supposed to be a fun game, mostly for me, and for you as well.. so, yeah.. screw them then, i'd say

Exactly!

Maybe there should be a thread started to black-flag players who bail without notice.  I am only half-joking......=:)

that may actually be a good idea, maybe just for DH and WHFRP, so that GMs can check wether the player aplying is going to be a liability or not.
Not sure what RPOL's policy on this is though

I know they do not want rating systems for GMs/players, but a thread with user name and a brief description (like # of posts, frequency of posts) might not be too bad.

everybody I've known that has started a forum has always wanted to do this, but no one knows who or how, I think that there is big seperation here between the average gamer and a DH or FWRP, there is at least at the game shops I frequent, I mean that's why they have  GAMES WORKSHOPS is it not.

But what you would have to do is set up a thread, maybe two, turning †his forum into a democracy, there needs to be explicit titles with a goddamn constitution almøst.  Because a black list of names is far to 1950's Hoover for me.  I think you Need all three branches, just one for the exec, three maybe for judicial and however many odd number for the rest of the voters.

Then and only then will their be able to make LAWS for the forum, to come up with a lot of the stuff that has been posted in this most excellent post, to be implemented needs to be taken to a further level.  Sorry I wasn't following the entire thread, but to blacklist players is pretty serious and to grant players the right to judge GM's is just as if not more serious than the prior.  I hope this forum moves on some of the subjects they have mentioned, because I think there is the personal in the forum to do amazing thing.

Has anyone here checked out the SWSE community?

I think my use of "blacklist" was a bit harsh.  Maybe references would be a better.  I think I am going to start requiring them in my games, or making a person lurk for awhile to see if A) they like the game and B) they like the posting rate and C) so that they can take over abandoned characters D) so they can be plugged into the action as soon as possible.

Publically posting about players and GM's probably is not such a good idea now that I think about it.....

One for GM's would have saved me a lot of time though=:)  Players as well.
Yup the more i think about it either references or making someone a lurker is the best for me.

A blacklist is a bad idea.

1. A person may have reasons as to why they cannot post and sometimes you just don't get the opportunity to pop on Rpol and explain yourself. Real life comes before Rpol.

2. Sometimes people don't gel with a game. What is true in one game with one group of players may not be true in another.

3. It would probably become corrupted with people listing someone out of spite and people not on the forum cannot defend themselves.

4. Jesus wouldn't do it.

Other than that it is an interesting though and something I have thought about doing for myself as I can never remember all the players who have joined and then dropped out of my games. Also I don't think it goes against the TOU as it would be in a personal game.

Hi there I'm playing the more restrained Cleric in Valthek's game I really love the profession.

Ah yes back on topic. It really is a class that you can take anyway you want. People always seem to want to play as guardsmen. Big fan of the Scum class myself.

Personally i'm a big fan of Psyker and Assasin.
And i still can't figure out the use of the adept class.. wth? everything they can do, someone else can do better and more efficiently. why play one?

True Adept class is a bit of a strange one.

If it's ok with Valthek I'll post my cleric's background in the NPC thread for anyone interested to read. I won't post the stats in case I end up meeting the other group in the game.

I'm a huge fan of the Scum class myself, though I do like the Priest class. It depends a lot on the game you are in. I was a "Battle Priest" type character once, and worked towards riling up everyone right before a big fight. The only other time I was a priest, it was as a Sir William of Baskerville type character. That was a lot of fun, since it combined my love of being a vagabond and general cutthroat with the sense of purpose and drive of a cleric.

Yeh, that's okay, Jamat, you may.
Anyone who plays in my game, i do expect you to keep this kind of OOC knowledge and IC knowledge seperate, k?

Well her background has nothing to do with the game but I will leave out the stats for mow.

Ok my character has now been posted ....enjoy

Oh and sorry about the length of the background I tend to get carried away when I write up characters.

I've just started up a new DH game and am currently putting together my opening posts and it has got me thinking. Should background information set the scene or provide hard facts?

I usually use background information to set the scene but from a players perspective is that enough? Do players want to know the who/how/when/why?

Alittle info about how the planet was, and what it is like now couldn't hurt. Since the characters are all natives to the planet aren't they?

Hard facts are the best i think. It gives you the best idea what is going on.

(not all chars are native, mine isn't, for example)

Guess I shouldn't have said native, I ment that they were on the planet. It's not like they came from another planet after it was conquered.

I have a cunning plan.

*hurries off to fetch source books*

Uh Oh.

*does the duck and cover routine*

Ok, this may be a dumb question, but in the adventure Shattered Hope, Xanthia is a World Killer.  What exactly is a World Killer?

I believe the World Killer is a super chaos ship. If I am not mistaken, it has the fire power and ability to wipe out a world, but it is amazingly slow.

+20 to Dodge=:)

I mean the "class" for lack of a better term.  Xanthis (female character) is a World Killer.

Class?

Are you sure you don't mean a world eater?

Positive.  Just checed it.  "Xanthia: Female Imperial World Killer"

Thats probably old beyond the current history.

probably...

and i'm pretty sure there's only one Chaos ship capable of destroying entire worlds with a single shot, and that's Abaddon's Planet Killer. Not entirely sure though.

I believe you are right there Valthek.

well, you're a chaos player or you're not :D:D:D

I'm a Tau player, a Marine player, and Eldar player AND a chaos player. I win?

So, sitting a lunch and not thinking about DH at all, it dawns on me that's probably two different statements.  She's probably a killer from an imperial world, so most likely an assassin.

What weapons does she use?

Las pistol, compact las pistol, sword, and knife.

If she is an assassin, best guess would be a Death Cult Assassin.

Oi!  List of upcoming DH releases!




From the FF website-
http://new.fantasyflightgames....ge_news.asp?eidn=390
"The future of Warhammer 40,000 Roleplay: Dark Heresy has been divined!

The pages of Knowledge Is Power follow Archivist Saldon as he explores a vault of hidden knowledge and discovers that enlightenment comes at a price.

Among the deadly secrets that are revealed are the upcoming Dark Heresy titles for 2009—six books that delve deeper into the Calixis Sector and the Inquisition."

"Radical's Handbook!"
"The Haarlock's Legacy Trilogy!"
"Ascension!"

Sounds awesome to me!

FFgames have some of the sickest cover art of any RPG developers eva! I'm salivating over those books...

especially the Radical's Handbook and Acension!

I agree.  The covers alone get me excited.

http://new.fantasyflightgames....efid=120&efcid=3



'Nuff said.

Does anyone know what is coming, it's obvious it will be the same system, any news about 2009 product? Or is it more FF wait and learn?  Thanks again Flakk for being the forums Librian of all Dark Heresy, 9 new books in 2009 and BLOOD BOWL VID!!!!!!!!, I guess it is a second mortgage on my house.

God damnit, 9 books and an IG army in the making. I guess its water and bread during 2009

In reply to Algard (msg #79):

Maybe we can start a GW union LOFL.

-Holds up a sign that reads "Cheaper Models or we Strike"-

There is lots of info and a forum has been started on FF's site.  Just woke up and not coherent enough to remember.

ggguuuurrrghhh.. CHEEEAAAAPPPPEEEERRR MOOOOODDDDEEELLLZZZZ

*zombie strike*

seriously, i quit buying GW when the boxed sets went up to 27.5€ each. That's like 3.5€ per plastic (PLASTIC!) model. and they're not even that nice. so i thought: "screw GW, i'm switching to some other company (rackham and anima studios)

they won't be seeing me back untill my income goes up dramaticly, they bring out something that's actually worth it's money or they lower their prices

So technicly i've been on strike for about a year and a half or something

Hasn't GW always been like that though, even back in 1995 I had to scrounge to put together an ork army, they made playing orks almost impossible, unless you wanted to play a skirmish, and why the hell do the elves in or eldar always have the upper hand in the rules, I have been on strike for a decade and demand separate but not equal be banished from the rules, (does anyone one remember what the first group of harlequins could do to an army, in one turn half your squads would be running away or ripped to shreds, it was ridiculous!)

In reply to zacaldo (msg #84):

Then you should be happy
Now Orks slap around Eldar like redheaded stepchilds ;)

In reply to Algard (msg #85):

Yes I do go to Seattle's GW shop at tourny time and greenskins have won three tournaments in a row!!! Although I'll need another ten years of domination to purchase a single blister from the bastards!

Its been sooo long since I last played...I got pretty tired of getting zapped by the Eldar's hit and run vehicles. I hated having to create an army entirely around a couple of enemy figures. I even contemplated creating my own Space Wolf chapter which had stolen the Warp Spiders jump technology and encorporated it into all of their units armour, just to let everyone else know how ridiculous I felt

In reply to Mr. Sticks (msg #87):

Seriously, Sticks hit it on the head, who the hell play-tests GW games, with all the work they put into creating a game, two or three pieces dictate every battle.

I have never lost to Eldar.  I attribute my wins to loads and loads of loyal grots/gretchin=:)  Now Tyranids on the other hand...think I've omly won one game against them.

Dusting off my Orks to get them ready to use again.  I have more than enough boys to never have to buy more although the new battlewagons are so cool looking I'll need to get at least one..and the new bikes, well I have 7 old ones (well the plastic old ones anyway) and the new ones look pretty cool so three more can't hurt...and the new Tankbustas looks amazing.  Even though I have a nice squad a couple more can't hurt can they?

Glad I inventoried all my stuff.  Found 2 traks and a trukk I had forgotten about.  New trukks are amazing as well.  Maybe one more.....

Speed Freakz is the way to go!!! If I ever got back into it, that's probably how'd I roll.

I was also thinking about making an off-shoot of the Fire Salamanders, with an Egyptian motif. Use pretty much the same rules, but also buy one of those Necron pyramids and give a Middle Eastern retooling.

Gahhh Orks, how can one not fear the Nob bike unit with attached painboy. Assualt in round 2

The thing I loved about Orks was the sheer intimidation factor. There was nothing like watching a Space Marine player go pale when you started stacking up all these units onto the table, and all the cries to recalculate your army point list.

The trick, I found, is to not grow attached to the mob units. There is nothing more fun than snatching away a victory because the enemy spent all the time picking at your fodder units.

I probably should look into going Imperial...

My fav thing with laying Orks is that no-one I have played, at least for the first tme, have given them a single ounce of respect.  And even if they get beat they are dead so it doesn't count as Orks live to die fightin'.  Leggin' it means living for more battles so that doesn't count as defeat either.

As it happens, I do. Or did at least. I wasn't involved with the Orks though. :)

The big biker nobs mob is tough, I'll certainly grant you that, but its not unstoppable. There are ways of dealing with anything. The problem is that they tend to be rather specialised, which lessens their impact in general or tournament play.

I've not been playing much in a while though, and less at a tournament level, so not really up with what the current v5 uber units are (other than the nob bikers).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UXYxQqiceE

Tell me that does not look like a DH movie=:)

I won't believe that the writer's have never come across a Games Workshop. The guardsman in there reminded me especially of Arbitrators, working at the behest of the Unseen Fathers (Inquisitors) to corral both the populace and mutants (uuuhh..mutants).

This movie would be a good watch, I think, easily adapted as a way the Empire adopts the local cults and works it into its own strange pantheon.

Drool......

As playing a Rouge Trader flakk there may be a "drool" check when Captain's eye a particular booty to plunder!

WP failed....
drool....=:)

I can't wait for this book to come out.  I'm assuming it will be chock full of new careers, gear, and rules for ships.

From what I have read and DH needs them t00 is those rules or a least some parameters and schematics for ships dearly.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:24, Sun 01 Mar 2009.

IIII


WAAAANNNTTTT


THIIIIISSSSS

seriously, that book looks SOOO GOOOD

My poor heart.

I haven't pined this bad for something since Julie Mcaffey in seventh grade.

Oh the pain! Must...find....beer!

That looks sweet!

Rules for starships would be very helpful.  Just the basics would be good.

Rules and stats for some of the more familiar Xenos breeds might be a possibility.  After all, if anyone is dealing with them, it's a RT.

I also wonder what sort of new careers they'll have here.  Pilots? (Rules for Glavians would be cool)  Merchants?

Come one verybody with me now.....
Ork Freebotas!
Ork Freebotas!
Ork Freebotas!

I would poop my pants!  Seriously....please=:)

I don't know, it feels like the Orks are getting shied away from in the material setting in favor of Chaos, chaos, and more chaos. Probably because, the moment you make a monster to challenge a group of PCs, you have three people in your group that want to play as one. (Ahem, not pointing any fingers at Call of Corruption or anything).

I, for one, would be definately befuddled if they didn't include something on the Tyrannid Space Hulks.

there's a problem with niddies: they're NEVAR alone, unless they're either lictors (in which case an entire fleet is pretty close) or they're gene-stealers (and they're too badass for any normal char to handle)

Black Industries Corporaptor Hominis

WS 55 BS - S 50 T 55 AG 55 INT 20 PER 20 WP 35 FEL 15

MOVEMENT 5/10/15/30 WOUNDS 15

SKILLS: ACROBATICS, AWARENESS +10, CONCEALMENT +20, CLIMB +10, DODGE, SILENT MOVE, TRACKING +10, SURVIVAL +20

TALENTS: HEIGHTENED SENSES (SIGHT, HEARING), BESERK CHARGE, SPRINT, TAKEDOWN, CRUSHING BLOW, LIGHTNING REFLEXES (1D10+10) ASSASSIN STRIKE, CATFALL, RESISTANCE (FEAR)

TRAITS: DARK SIGHT, NATURAL WEAPONS, MULTIPLE ARMS, FEAR 1, NATURAL ARMOUR 4, HIVE MIND, RENDING CLAWS 2, OVIPOSITOR

WEAPONS: CLAW (1D10+7 R, PEN 2, TEARING) BITE (1D10+5 R, INFECTION)

ARMOUR: EXOSKELETON (ALL4)

THREAT RATING: XENOS MAJORIS

AND YOU SHOULD SEE THE PATRIACH, MAKES THIS ONE LOOK LIKE A PUPPY DOG.

SCARY stuff this beastie. although a few well-aimed shots can prolly wack it before it tears your guts out. But then again, the niddie rule pops up again: THEY'RE NEVARR ALONE!

LOL!

Provided you've got range and distance on it, a party of four ranged fighters should be able to take it out before it proves to be too dangerous. But anyone whose ever seen Alien will know that you don't get range on a creature that can go through the ventilation systems.

Out of interest, do any of you here have the stats for an Astartes? I'm wondering what they're like.

it's relatively easy to deduce them, based on 40K stats. My guess is that they have stats about 15 points higher (to start with) than regular PCs, along with a bunch of neat extras (like: less need for sleep, food, drink, acidic spit, low light vision, superior recovery rates etc)

You would be best looking at the Inquisitor rules for a more accurate comparison rather than 40k. I think there are some rules but I couldn't tell you where.

probably, but since i don't own those, i can't :D

That's a shame because it's a brilliant rulebook but I think most of it is incorporated into DH in some form.

What no comment on the Jean-Stealer?=:)

I got your back Flakk! I have to know where you found that comic strip, because humour in the world of Dark Heresy is so rare that cartoons like that are a gem!

On the Inquisitor front: The rulebook was available as a free download from Black Industries awhile back. I dunno if it is still around the GW pages. Worth getting your hands on though, the tactical combat was allot of fun and easy to pick up. I introduced several of my non-gaming buddies to it and they loved it so much we played weekly games one summer.

www.dakkadakka.com
Found the site at work yesterday and was veeeerrryyy unproductive=:)

For Marine stats there is one in Purge the unclean.....and he would pulp that genestealer no problem

But that would just be the tip, of the ice-berg, even a squad that takes out ten of the genestealers, then is reloading making sense of things and the next wave, after the "feel you out wave moved in", 20 stealers move in from another direction, or all around the squad at their weakest point, maybe even with Corporator Hominis Superior, Mr. Patriach to you

WS 55 BS- S 55 T 60 AG 50 INT 30 PER 40 WP 50 FEL 30

MOVEMENT 6/12/18/36 WOUNDS 25

SKILLS: SAME AS STEALER

TALETS: SAME BUT WITH SWIFT ATTACK (THREE ATTACKS AS A FULL ACTION (LOTS OF BLOODY SWIPES)

TRAITS: DARK SIGHT, NATURAL MEAPONS, MULTIPLE ARMS, FEAR 3, NATURAL ARMOR 6, HAIVE MIND, RENDING CLAWS 3, OVIPOSITOR, FROM BEYOND, HULKING, SUPER NODE, HYPNOTIC GAZE, UNNATURAL STRENGTH (X2), RESISTANCE (FEAR)

WEAPONS: CLAW (1D10+13 R, PEN 3, TEARING) BITE (1D10+12 R, INFECTION)

ARMOUR: EXOSKELETON (ALL 6)

THREAT RATING: XENOS MAJORIS

ASTARTES WOULD BY NOW BE PRAYING THAT THE CULT MAGUS DOESN'T SHOW UP OR THE ONE THE ONLY THE ELVIS PRESLEY OF CHITIN, THE BROODLORD WHO'S STATS ARE SO UGLY I FEAR TYPING THEM IS HERESY ENOUGH TO BE THROWN FROM THE FORUM.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:21, Wed 04 Mar 2009.

Drool....



http://www.fantasyflightgames....ge_news.asp?eidn=439

Just when I think DH cover art can't get any better, after RT showed off, they do this do me.  There is no RPG that even comes close to them.  I own a gallery, I think I might have to have a DH show, brilliant FF, well played.

if it wasn't a prepublished adventure thingie, i'd be dashing off the my local bookstore to pre-order that thing!

In reply to Valthek (msg #124):

Same here, but I never buy adventures ever, but these things are turning into art, the bastards are killing me.

heheheh, they are.
i might buy one, if they're not too expensive, just for the fun and the art.

I saw Purge the Unclean in a nice paperback volume, I don't know if it was cheaper than the hardcover but most likely.  I wish that all RPG's followed books tradition of hardcover then paperback, it is actually cost effective, but who the hell knows who is in charge, but I have to admit FF is by far the best all around board game to RPG to the rest of the games than anyone around.

White Wolf has become a monster that is eating itself, but it sells so it doesn't care, but I wish that DH could some how develop the chat-room gaming that White Wolf has, there are plenty enough interns that are hardcore, hardcore gamers, it is just that DH and WFRP don't work like the "real world" aspect WW uses.  Oh well, DH is going far and beyond my expectations, I really hate to whine about something that obviously is worth every penny.

honestly, i still think the WW books are worth what they're asking (Scion and Exalted at least)
but yeah, DH is becoming one of the jewels of the industry.

Valthek do you play on WW chat room?  I should have rephrased my white wolf post, just the fact that all the core-books are already on a 3rd addition is kind of like when X-men comic's split up into two teams, plus all the spin offs, making those who loved the originall Uncanny X-men go from 1.75 a month or something back in 1988 to having to buy 4 books, when you are a kid that sucked,

Speaking of sucking and the eighties, did you see DriveThru RPG is the only one with NEW WAVE REQUIM, totally awesome art, PDF's are not my favorite but playing Requim with a whole 80's backdrop is pretty cool, plus any core book will do for most sourcebooks with WW, I was thinking of running a one-shot with a Vampire/Werewolf cross-over that were rival punk bands in the 1980's, maybe even a Changling "Smiths" girl groupies from the Winter Court.  Now just that kinda of flexibility is awesome, no one can touch WW with that, but don't mention GURPS in the forum, playing it can curse your dice ;)
This message was last edited by the player at 22:30, Thu 05 Mar 2009.

I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with WW products. for a while, I was gung-ho about it, bought the books, played the RAGE card games, but I couldn't get any tabletop games to rise past the cultural steroetypes of vampires, werewolves, and mages.

Like, when every PC in a group is the depressed and world-weary vampires, the game gets boring rrreaally quick. Changeling looked promising, but I never got around to getting a group around it.

FF games though, I have yet to play in one where the group dynamic isn't interesting, to say the least! You are always guaranteed at least one nut in the group, which is generally sufficient to really get some good character  development working!

You are exactly right on that Mr. Sticks and now with the new "sandbox" core-books, you are getting a pretty version of GURPS *makes sign of Sigmar to ward off evil GURP spirtis.  WIthout the old versions Mythos, the games lost a lot of good writing and a story that could have gone much further than it did.  But at least this brought up one good thing in my mind.  DH and WHRP have such a thick and awesome history, you feel of the world around you, WW characters are so generic even when you say I am A beast, of the Summer Court (in changeling, which I think is the best right now) it doesn't evoke anything in particular, but when you say Trollslayer, almost 2000 pages of Gortex and Felix come flashing to my mind.
Which is finally bringing me to a point: We could use a new thread for all the fansites and other pages, that are scattered all over the web and the world.  Just a few of my favorites, I'm sure almost everyone here has seen them, but I could spend years trying to accumulate a decent data-slate of GW mythos.

Canon Page, My personal favorite

http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page


Best Map of the Universe

http://www.joachim-adomeit.de/wh40k/spacemap/map.html

I really like that map of the universe.

I've tried on a few ocasion, but never got my chars sanctioned (which, admitably, was the worst part of the ww chat rooms)
I did find a few cool people on the forums there and played a Scion game with them (over YIM) for several months.. good times

That is what finally got me out of there, besides the (excuse me Valthek I don't know how old you are), but it seemed like there was about 20 to 30 highschoolers running the show with a really sad little clique if I ever saw one.  But the sanctioning is ridiculous.  I saw a guy wait for about 7 days total online time, he became famous, everyone knew who he was because he had been sitting in the chat room for 7 days off and on and he would miss the ST's by minutes it was really sad, but that chat room could be awesome, if it wasn't for so few ST and asst that had absolutely no power except to "watch your language", I kinda got banned for awhile after blowing up on one of them, I know they are volunteers, but so are our GM's, and they do a better job, at least the ones here in the forum than 20 ST's.

But then again, yeah there are some very very cool people who game there and can chat about just about anything if no games are going on, but I just don't have the time for that. It is like public transportation Play by post might be slower, but you know when the bus is coming kinda of, the chat-room is like waiting standby on Christmas Eve, you will be spending early Christmas morning getting drunk at the one bar in the airport still open with a shoe shiner dressed as Saint Nick, drinking 20 dollar beers and listening to Bing Crosby as you curse Jebus Christ for being born, and you eventually end up staggering onto the wrong plane and ending up in Akron, or Buffalo.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:26, Fri 06 Mar 2009.

well.. 18, and a high-schooler :D

but yeah, i simply stopped trying after a while. Especially after one of the STs told me to send him my sheet and BG and shit. I did. I waited. I waited longer. I am still waiting.. the jerk.

Hey Valthek it isn't the age, it is the milage, I meant no slander against teens.  I own a gallery, and I started a teen art program here in my little town of Roslyn Washington (where Northern Exposure was filmed, not Alaska like the show was supposed to be in, Roslyn just feels and looks like Alaska) and we game sometimes.

 I would honestly say I would rather spend time working with teens than blabbering artistic semantics with a 50 year old man verbally masturbating, because he is "important" because his watch is worth more than my car.  I hate cliques and I hate stereo-types, but some times they are true, the very definition of discrimination does not have to do with age, creed, color of skin, or taste in fat-free yogurt, all animals discriminate, that is how we survive.

meh, i was just saying that not everyone is like them.

no offence taken btw.

I feel that older people should really start listening to young'uns. They're often the ones with the most original ideas but are silenced by 'wiser' people...

The wisest words are often the ones not spoken, you can't learn when you are talking and yes the young will always suffer the caste system of age, until you are old enough to get drunk you are not socially viable, or worth enough money yet, but you are worthy for dying, which is much cheaper than keeping you alive :), drunk=money, death=cost effectivness.  Valthek what games are you in right now?

mwhuhahaha: Advantage: belgium (drinking from the age of 16)

i play in:
DH for dummies (my own game)
Daybreak saviors (Anima Beyond Fantasy)
Endless Wasteland (Free-form post apocalypse)
EX2- Fate is Forever (Exalted)
Mutant/Freak College (free form super/mutant game)

and that's just the ones on RPOL :D

And DH for Dummies is awesome!

I thank you!

Are there any good fan sites out there for extra career options etc? I'm also looking for some inspirational art.

Sorry Teddy, I read your post too fast looking for new career options was what you wanted not fan-sites, but a lot of them have stats for Astartes and etc...  All I can think of is the DH handbook, some home-brew will most likely come along at FF forum would be my best bet.  Here are just some sights you have already probably seen, but I have a mild opinion about DH art that might aid you from going insane looking for anything that doesn't cost you 75 pounds and up.  Some of these sites have decent art, but I would still save up for a scanner :)

Awesome inter-active starmap
http://www.joachim-adomeit.de/wh40k/spacemap/map.html

Lexicanum (good for background info and canon material
http://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

Best fan-site in my opinion
http://www.darkreign40k.com/

Obscuro Hereticus (Donut of a fan-site, such sweet goodies your stomach will ache)

http://dh40k.wikidot.com/system:list-all-pages

Ordo Malleus

http://www.malleus.dk/Ordo/

Schola Progenium

http://www.scholaprogenium.com/

Phillup Sibering

http://www.philipsibbering.com/

Anargo Sector Project

http://anargo-sector.net/explore/

Purganum

http://purganum.com/

It is wiki but you can never get enough DH

http://darkheresy.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

So obvious I don’t why it is on this page but join the community it is a great forum
I go by Senior Cardinal Ignato, flakk goes by Captain flakk, I check it nightly (the fan-art on the forums is some of the best I have seen).

http://new.fantasyflightgames.com/

Illuminatus

http://z4.invisionfree.com/ill...s/index.php?act=site

Need to brush up on your latin, one of the best converters next to Nortre Dame’s College site, (most sight botch sayings, can only really translate one word at a time which with latin is a complete waste of time :)

http://www.translation-guide.c...English&to=Latin

As for art sites I have some pretty strong feelings about it, if you are looking for generic  and random pictures search Google, “40k images”.  There are many reasons it is so hard to find good GW art, your best bet is to buy as many back issues of White Dwarf and a scanner, because most of GW artists are so talented that fan-art that is good but this isn’t drawing X-Men or any line art, these are serious artist. So most fan artists cant work anywhere near the real thing, and isn’t that why we love GW, they are so expensive, but they are worth it.

Example someone says "orc" before I knew of GW, 50 different images came to mind, now when someone says “Ork”, a War-Boss surrounded by snotlings riding a derelict half track with a pain-boy hanging on the hood comes to mind, they define what most can’t do. Just look at the covers of DH’s books, (I have dreams where I am holding a new copy of the soon coming Rouge Trader).  They just keep raising the bar with their art, especially since FF took over.

Second the fact that it is not typical comic book line art, these are serious artists that work in crayons (the real expensive kind), egg tempera, extremely thick canvas for better grip of oil paints and even John Blanche and others will make their own paints, because it is cheaper and better than anything you could buy.  Third, DH an WHFP work with such a realistic style, almost Renaissance portrait work or commissioned work for Napoleon Bonaparte. These are seriously schooled artists that somehow can not only master the anatomy of humans, but Xenos too which seems impossible because their is no Gray’s anatomy of a Genestealer or Tyranid.  If you search the artists names you will come up with some good stuff, but even search "fan-site" of so and so and you will probably find something not thumb-nailed or gloss protected.

 Truly I have seen no site that can match the entire scope of work, so what I do is look up the actual artist, because they all have done more than just GW stuff and show a lot of different work besides GW because their talent level leads them to do all kinds of commissioned and personal work.  The list is infinite, go to a comic book store and flip through credits to the artists then google them.  I own a gallery and it drives me crazy how hard it find GW art, but that is why I love them too.  The old saying “Why are the rich so often insane, because they can afford to be.”

Short list of my favorite artists, very short list...

John Blanche (The Master), Clint Langley (The new Blanche), Adrian Smith, Wayne England, Kev Walker, Neil Hodgson, Karl Kopinski, Geoff Taylor, Paul Bonner, Tony Hough, Stephen Tappin & Kevin Walker....this could go on for ten more pages, I hope it helped a bit Teddy, thanks again for the Forum everyone owes you deeply, and you deserve some kudos you did a great job pulling together a lot of Rpol members and it is growing into a great forum.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:48, Mon 23 Mar 2009.

What would be the benefit to trafficking psykers? I'm not that clued in about psykers and the 40k universe other than the basics so what would be the benefits of this illegal trade?

depends. But i can immagine you can sell a psyker to the chaos forces for quite a bit of profit, seeing as they're basicly portable warp gates for deamons.

Maybe psyker flesh/brain is used in certain cult activities?  Might even be sought after by some Xeno's as food.

i bet enslavers find psykers pretty tasty

No.  Psykers just taste like chicken.... Fried chicken, the greasiest slimy deep oil battered Southern fried chicken you can only find in Mobile, Alabama.  Psyker with a side of grits and a helping of french fried potatoes. An ork thanksgiving dinner cooked by enslaved mootland chefs, a dirty trick in blood bowl.

Come to think about it has anyone heard about when Blood  Bowl is coming out, because al lot of people are already designing teams, check out fumbble.com for a stripped down version of Blood Bowl, they actually post helpful guides on how to play certain teams, I am surprised though that they added so many different breeds of players, from the Human v.s. Ork the Dwarves trying to keep up with Skaven.

But I really wish they would put in those halflings with Treemen as blockers, there is nothing better than beating a hardcore Chaos team with a gaggle of halfings and Treemen.  I still have a halfing team and they wear pink polka dot kits, the "Pink Artichokes",  but this is the wrong forum again for me to be posting and the name is an even longer story,.

But what the hell, even people that despise sports really get into the strategy of Blood Bowl which any true fans know that their is a way to play a certain race against each foe, and the depth of strategy beats any game except maybe Space Hulk.  Bring Back Space Hulk petition starting soon.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:13, Wed 25 Mar 2009.

There should be no reason that Fantasy flight game s could not do Space hulk, the are contracted to do any GW boardgame. (and we get another source of plastic genestealers, yay!)

I was wondering, has anyone had a chance to check out Creatures Anathema, yet?

Creatures is the worst thing that could happen to your PC, a GM with Creatures is like having a hundred sided die being thrown at your head.  It is so well put together that not only is it good for PC's but a must for GM's.  Plus it is so elegantly done it is worth it just to have on your book shelve, I was anticipating greatness and they went over the top. 9.312 out of ten.  Sold out almost everywhere, Barnes and Noble doesn't even have copies, FF is sold out, only one i have  seen lately is Noble Knight and they are my favorite online store, never one single problem with shipping and prices are extremely good.  I think Creatures at NK are about 5 dollars cheaper than FF or anyone else.

Are there any good references for the Ecclesiarchy? I've found the Lexicanum but I'm looking for a bit more detail.

I pre-ordered it from Amazon in December, was told February, then late February, then the first of March, then mid-March, then April or possibly May.....canceled my order and got one from ebay which will hopefully be sold out soon.

The only local store in my area that carries DH books has not got it in or I'd buy it from them at full price but since they don't have it....

I can't wait for it to arrive.  I'm reading "The Disciples of Dark Gods" right now and am lovin' it but I want more beasties!

Furry you can't believe how much I have looked across the "ethernet" for the E's, why GW want's to keep away from the "religious" theme of a game called "Heresy" is beyond me.  I suppose they like everyone else in this world it seems to want to keep religion off the plate, like evolution theories have turned religion into peas and carrots and nobody wants them.  They make so many references and use so many "Catholic" terms and tease players with a paragraph or two is beyond me.  I guess religion is more taboo than donkey porn smuggled into the U.K. via Mexican ponchos.  I already got a strike two from Rpol for posting a theoretical question about Radicals and Puritans by Rpol, they too have a strict no religion policy even though there are posts and threads about any kind of economical or political reference no matter how bad it is.

  I guess separation of church and state has become less of an ideal than a policy of threats.  I am a recovering Catholic LOL, but I love the early papacy blend that GW comes up with, although the Religious aspect of the game must be strictly taboo in some instances, yes Lexicanum is the only site that really even looks into the religious side of the game, although Black Library put out some good stuff like Faith and Fire by James Swallow that covers the Sisters Repentia who are in essence the most Ecclesiarchy of all Chapters of Astartes and Imperial guardsmen, it is an all right read but it puts a little pathos and mythos into the Dark Heresy world and he second novel is be written by  Sandy Mitchell of the hilarious Commissar Cain novels "Death or Glory"

It is like Black Library creed if you want to find out more about the big E "Read Till You Bleed" (trademarked), I have to be extremely careful with my posting the moderators are worse than DH Inquisitors, I will send my carrier homing birds over to you if I find something more on the Ecclesiarchy and fly in and drop off any secret information,

Regards
Forges Warm,
Yr.Obd.Srvnt.
Zacaldo

Do tell us more!

It is a long boring story, but the FF forum lets you do what ever you want, word for word I have posted two "Tribunals" in a mockumentary style under the IC name Senior Cardinal Ignato of the Cathedral of Illumination, and have had some good replies to questions that are not exactly religious at all the just deal with the contradictions and ambiguity 40k has created over the years in concerns to the Inquisition.

 For some reason rPol must think I am ether working for an evangelical cult trying to persuade followers or they are worried about me corrupting the young, I don't know.  You can put anything up in the chats about sex and violence and get away with it most of the time it seems, but even a made up religion of the 41st millennia is strictly forbidden, plus they thought my post sounded to much like a game advert.

I have no idea what they do, but rPol for the most part has been extremely helpful, although the gamers have been of more use than the moderators ever have in my opinion, that is why I constantly thank Furry for setting up this forum, I have learned a lot about Dark Heresy and had some good LOL sessions as this is actually a functional forum for serious issues, and some quick witted snaps, instead of being a mere social novelty like most forums.

Yah I also think that it is odd that right in game ad's there can be adult material...but religion or posting a link to help someone who is looking for a game is forbidden.  Oh well, we all do what we can.

I have to say, in this environment...

I really wasn't expecting the Spanish Inquisition!

Are the posts gone now?

In reply to coderodent (msg #158):

Yup, but get in on the Fantasy Flight Forums for Dark Heresy and they are posted word for word under the title of Senior Cardinal Ignato, FF forums are really great, I check them once in the morning and once at night if I can, some cool cats on the forum, plus if you are stranded in the middle of nowhere the policy for starting your profile asks you what State, City and I think zip code, I can't remember, but it is a great way to find Dark Heresy Gamers around where you are at.  I had no RL games going till I got on the forum, now at least I have one a month even though it is 70 miles away their always seems to be a couch I can surf, I forget how tight gamers can be when they are cool, especially since the invasion of video games, now we truly are the rarest breed of gamers in the world, I kind of like it that way, everyone kind of banded together after the x-box, PC, playstation explosion.  Nice to meet you as well coderodent, I hope you find this forum as helpful and stimulating as I have. Cheers.

Hmm. Surprisingly tame content. I suppose you were committing the sin of questions...

Yeah I went a little nuts on the moderators and Administration so I am one strike away from being banned, and for me that would totally suck, so let them eat cake.

<folds arms in back of head and reclines> Now I'm hangin' with the bad boys...

  Just catching up on the forums here as I've just joined, but I think a few pages back people were mentioning the Inquisitor game and bemoaning its unavailability. It is available as a free PDF download from GW's Specialist Games section here:

http://www.games-workshop.com/...0009&aId=4900004

  I'd get it sooner rather than later, because it looks like the site's had a facelift since I last checked it out with the free stuff now stashed down the back of the sofa where you won't find it without a good rummage and the casual browser is pointed towards buying a copy from GW. This may mean they're about to pull the freebies...

Newest Ork Looted Weapon!!!!

*jaw drops* Is that meant to be the Golden Throne?

I would hang that in my gallery! It must be entitled Ork test drive in green or has Detroit succumbed to hiring greenskin engineers and designers, it would be the best vehicle GMrolled out in years.  But flakk can we get it in a V-8, and does it run on liquified Stunty grease?  "Best fan art yet, very Crumb like" thanks I needed hot coffee shot through my nose onto to my computer screen yet again, I should know by now no liquids while around this motley crew.

That is hilarious!

I think so.  At first I was wtf...then I figured out that was the Emperor....

Question: I've seen some collected questions for new characters to answer to help 'firm up' character background. Is there a set of questions like that for DH that someone has assembled?

not really, but most questions on other RPs aply with the adtition of the following:

Why (if he had a choice) did your char join the inquisition

how does he feel about his inquisition?

Don't forget the Commissar questions, example one. "And are you Xenos, or any other form of heretic?  Please fill in the appropriate circle completely, and then we will shoot you."
This message was last edited by the player at 06:24, Mon 20 Apr 2009.

Are you now, or have you ever been, a member of any known cult dedicated to the Ruinous Powers?
This message was last edited by the player at 10:23, Mon 20 Apr 2009.

Hmmm let's imagine the processing of answers for that one...

 If the answer is yes, execute immediately as a heretic and known cultist.
 If the answer is no, execute immediately as a heretic and unknown cultist. [Justification: Understanding this question necessitates that the individual concerned has access to forbidden knowledge. As they have declared they are not a member of a known cult, they must therefore be a member of an unknown cult.]
 If the question is left blank, execute immediately as a disloyal Imperial citizen or potential heretic. [Justification: If they haven't read the question they have failed in their duty to comply with the reasonable demands of Imperial authorities. If they have read the question they have now been exposed to forbidden knowledge (the existence of cults dedicated to the Ruinous Powers within the Imperium) and must
be executed for their own good and the safety of those around them.]

Why not just save the processing costs for the questionnaire and shoot them immediately?

red tape, got to keep the administratum going

The imperium....
Where shooting ones own people is a fulltime job

You'd rather trust a part-timer with that sort of thing?

I used to be a reservist in the 89th Field Battery.  I can just imagine part-time soldiers in the 40k world-

Just one night a week!
Get out of your boring factory job and see the universe!
One weekend a month!
Free corpse starch rations!
Spend your summers training and learning the noble art of warfare!
Visit exotic places and kill strange Xenos!
The Emperor needs you now, and unlike the Imperial Guard we promise you won't ever see real battle....we promise!
Comeon!

You guys are not helping...

 1. It is not in the book for a couple of reasons, how many systems do you know that spend time and waste paper on, do you know what role-playing is, they figure if you do no know, play D&D (DH wastes four paragraphs and one page for example of play).  (B) there are billions of men and women across known space, face it you are not special.  4  On Rpol for example, a GM does not have time to really work your personal history in most games, that is just my experience though.   Lastly especially with Dark Heresy, you are in a strong way discriminated and actually created by your Home World and your Career Path make up for the most part who and what you are. (F-2) It is my belief that players put far too much in developing a character or making them advance or regress, XP should not be the only way to flesh out your character, it is not called role-playing for the sake of halfings(10) These are my experiences with the game and do are not to be disseminated by any player for personal use or for use by halfings in general.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:57, Mon 20 Apr 2009.

Apologies, coderodent.

I to disagree with zocaldo on this one. As a GM I always try and weave character background into games if I can, and I'd love my players to spend more time developing their characters. It's true that the characters are not special in the sense that they are seen as expendable by their employer, and that the scale of the 40K universe acts to put human significance into perspective. However, I firmly believe that these things are best brought home to players by encouraging them to develop characters that are quirky, unique individuals that they and others will inevitably mourn for when they get sliced and diced and the Inquisitor orders up a new acolyte to send into the blender without a backward glance.

One of the best sets of questions I've come across for encouraging players to think a little deeper about their character's background is the set John Wick produced for 7th Sea, which can easily be adapted for DH as follows:

1. What is your character's homeworld? (Try and get a specific world rather than the generic homeworld type)
2. How would you describe your character's physical appearance?
3. Does your character have recurring mannerisms?
4. What is your character's main motivations?
5. What is your character's greatest strength and greatest weakness? (And how obvious are they? - Try to get this beyond a simplistic reflection of their stat-line)
6. What are your character's most and least favourite things?
7. What is your character's psychology? (I tend to look here at the classical four humours and figure out if they're closer to Sanguine, Choleric, Melancholic or Phlegmatic)
8. What is your character's single greatest fear?
9. What are your character's highest ambitions? What do they want to be remembered for? (Not necessarily the same as their motivations).
10. What is their opinion of their homeworld? And of the Imperium?
11. Do they have any prejudices?
12. Where do your character's true loyalties lie?
13. Is your character in love, or have they ever been? (Often worth getting players to think about sexuality and sexual experience too if they're mature enough to cope with thinking about that)
14. What is your character's family like?
15. How would each of your character's parents describe them? (As a significant number of DH characters have non-traditional family backgrounds it might sometimes be useful to rephrase this in terms of mentor/significant parental figure).
16. What is your character's social class?
17. How religious is your character? Do they follow standard Ecclesiarchy teaching or some odd variant? (May be worth considering how superstitious they are too, especially in regard to things like Machine Spirits).
18. Is or was your character a member of any sort of gang, guild, regiment, or professional association?
19. What does your character think of psychic powers?
20. If you could, what piece of advice would you give your character?

Thanks, RevMark. Nice mod on 7th Sea.

I know that some players would rather gouge their own eyeballs out rather than think about character background, I find that it always helps to have some, rather than none. In Champions, it's de regur to come up with an origin story, and most of the disadvantages garnering points had some connection with a background.

And all of the interesting chars in wh40k literature are much more than 'created by your Home World and your Career Path '. I want to prompt my chars to be cool, have a back story, without any eye-gouging. I don't want to overwhelm them with '100 questions you should know the answer to' and I don't want to ask useless questions (and no, they aren't all useless) like favorite flavor of ice cream, or names of dead pets. (the players that can answer those questions already have, and without being asked.)

My inclination is to have a tiered set of questions. I will let you know how that works out.

Nice list!

Background wise I always include at least a couple of paragraphs, even when I know it is not a requirement and the others are not doing so.  I probably do it to protect myself from evil twin siblings or angry former officers that the GM's like to throw my way more than anything else, plus it's cool=:)

I seem to remember Top Secret S.I. having a good personality guide.  I'll try to find it.  From memory you had to rate all your personality traits (like piety, greed, dedication).  High dedication....then giving up a mission would mean less role-playing xp.  I'll try to find it.

Backgrounds and personality traits are fun!
Even in the game I am running with all pregenerated PC's I wrote some background info on each character and a couple personality traits.  As the characters develop I add the traits their handlers are roleplaying them as having to the characters list.  Most of my xp is from roleplaying so following the traits and developing ones is very important.

Rev, that list is nice, could you convert it over to Warhammer Fantasy though?

  It's actually a lot more suited to WRFP in its original form - 7th Sea's background is a pretty close fit to WFRP. Just change references to 'homeworld' to 'country', and 'psychic powers' to 'magic' and it should work fine.

It depends on how long they are around/survive for=:)  No sense bringing up a character's skeletons until you know they are in it for the long haul, and even then I usually manage to time it poorly and the poor character dies in the middle of a story arc involving them.

I think the whole background thing is good for knowing where a character "comes" from and how it has shaped their personality.  eg.  I have a Fantasy character, a rat-catcher.  She has a limp....so I made it part of her background.  A gilded carriage ran her over at a young age.  It also explains why she has a hate-on for rich folks. Does she know who hurt her?  Nope, but it did affect her.

That list of questions is gold and I'll be stealing it=:)

Hey, what's a little larceny between friends?

<Yonk!> =:)

In reply to Thruxus (msg #183):

Look for the expanded character module. There should be a brief discussion and a link to it somewhere in the WFRP section.

There is a new errata out of the FF website, one for the core and one for the Inquisitor's Handbook.

http://www.fantasyflightgames....ge_news.asp?eidn=527

Does anyone know of a site, or off the top of yer head, or scrawled away in an ancient tome 40k slang, I have been writing fan-lit for 40k recently just for exercise, and it takes place in the GMC (Gun Metal City, that is my feeble attempt at sounding 40k ghetto yet slangy).

 But seriously, I can't even fathom the amount of slang that would evolve in centuries of living underground and the small pockets of new language that would emerge.  It is a huge "suspension of disbelief" just to pretend English or modern day language is even recognizable in the 40k, look at English alone from Canterbury Tales to modern fiction. Inquisitor's handbook does a great job with "nicknames" for weapons, but they hardly insist on slang like such games as Cyber-Punk, Shadowrun or any of White Wolf core-books which always have a dictionary just after the intro and preface. Plus it is just plain fun giving random slang names to add to the coolest world around, 40k.

With all the stuff Black Library has put out, their is a limited amount of slang out there that I haven't already seen, is everyone who writes for GW following Dan Abnett's Inquisitor work (If I was a knock artist I would use Dan's work too, so guilty of self-treason), is there anything new out there.

If not I would put it out there for any one in the forum to come up with their own slang that makes sense to them and maybe even start up a thread to fan-fiction, along with a 40k dictionary.  Of course include the old standards, obsucra, frakk, bolter, data-slate.  A game just has a better feeling when players who take advantage of the few pluses of play by post, including time to think out what you are about to speak, and making a Universe come alive by just "speaking" a few alterations to their syntax.  It makes me shiver when I see cigarette, flashlight & the greatest sin "car" used in a DH game. Just for fun here are a few that spring to my mind I could go on forever, but I would like to see some better offerings from this Forum's better minds than mine.


Death-Dowry: noun: Payment in shells, which are used in bartering and payment in Gun Metal City and other Hive-Worlds. A sizable amount of shells are given to a patriarch of a family who lost a relative in a gun-fight.

Death-Stick: noun: Iho-Stick.

Warpburn: verb: Over-use and miss-use results of long term channeling of the Warp, causing severe mental corruption.  ex: Can we trust Fredex any longer, that pysker has never been the same after summoning that damned demon, is it me or does Fredex seem like he is suffering some serious warpburn? 

This forum is awesome, Thanks again for Teddy starting it, and the one, the only flakk for taking the reins.  This forum beats any I have seen on RPol.
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Just take a look in any 2000AD or Judge Dredd magazine
I find any slang from Mega city one works perfectly in Hive world settings

In reply to Algard (msg #191):

Thanks, ask and Algard will supply.

Moving the communism discussion here.....


speaking of Communism, wasn't there a group of Grots in Gorkamorka that were communist-like?  Freedom for Grots from the oppressive boyz and a leader all clad in red if I remember correctly.....

Sorry for derailing the thread flakk, you know how i am when i start writing nonsense ;)

On the matter of theg rots they where more of a che guevera revolutionists group. Not purebred marxist communists
I mean come on thier leader was "The red grot"

Yeah they had the stars, their glorious leader Da Red Gobbo and the banna's, but they weren't fighting for freedom, but to be allowed a place on the hulk when the mekboyz finally got it off the ground again.
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Awesome!  Glad I did not imagine the whole thing.

Ever notice how GW Orks look cool in any scene, they could be at a disco party from the sixties, wearing bell-bottoms and raised shoes with live gold fish in the heal and still look cool.  New thread, DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA, I am as guilty as Algard for posting in the wrong thread and going of on tangents, maybe this could beyond chat, "vents. pics, qouatations, rants, and everything concerning the "greenskins".  All type must be in green, LOL. Come on flaak I'll bribe you some how, we want Orks, PC's need an insanity thread.

Hehe not to derail the Looking for GM thread more i will answear here zacaldo

Yeah a dark heresy with the dark humour of the Cain novels would be my dream come true. But the problem is everyone wants the hat, and accidents happen at the front ;)
Will check out the dark umbrella thread to, looks promising

And on the last topic? You call yourself bookf reak, Omnibuses *hisssses of to craddle his collection of first print Cain novels*

"FOR DA REVOLUSHUN!"

Do you know any good novels about the 40k steeing that closely relate to DH?
Not like the Horus Heresy or any other grand space marine books, but the story of smalltime heroes with the usual flaws?

Check out the thread- Novels and Comics.  There are some very good recommendations there including "Tale's of the Underhive" and one of the Boom comics...."Exterminatus".

cheers

Looks...fun!


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Emperor's Bowels!!! I almost broke my monitor trying to reach out and grab that book, FF must collect and recycle drool from their patrons.

Wow, that looks sweet. I always preffered the grey Inquisitors. The ones ready to fight fire with fire.

Not that there are any good and evil Inquisitors.

Anyone else reminded of Eisenhorn and Cherubael when looking at that cover?

Rant mode: ON

Gah what is with people and putting references to Eisenhorn every time we see a bloody Inquisitor and daemon/daemonhost.
HAs it never occured to people that the bloody inquisition consist of mroe people then Gregor eisenhorn!
Geez GW sure must have been clairvoiant with all them old pictures of Inquisitors facing daemons, must be Eisenhorn all of them to.........

Rant mode: OFF

On another note, sweeeeeeeeet!
So Flakk does this mean Cavus can become a radical Magos bilogis ;)

You buy me the book and sure=:)  JK, I'm sure I'll get it and take a look at all the goodies it has to offer.

Never read the Eisenhorn books. I'll add it to my list.

In reply to Algard (msg #207):

Well excuse me, but it just strikes me as a very specific moment in the book.

I'd say the Eisenhorn and Ravenor novels are must-reads for DH players. Abnett's key role in writing DH background material makes his 'take' on the Imperium close to normative for the Calixis sector. I'd steer clear of Sandy Mitchell's Scourge the Heretic, however, which I was distinctly underwhelmed by.

Algard/w00tninja - to be fair to both of you, the staff he's dropping does look identical to the one Eisenhorn carries in the illustrations that are definitely listed as being of him, so an identification of the Inquisitor as Eisenhorn is not inherently unreasonable. However, facially and hairstyle-wise that doesn't look like him. Also Cherubael is always described as being a bit more attractive looking than that from memory...

They don't publish the books for your personal tastes, they take the most recognizable figure in 40k, which I believe RevMark is dead spot on it is a must read.  Without Abnett we wouldn't have James Swallow, Sandy Mitchell and possible Dark Heresy itself.  Of course you do have a valid point, if you want to read the first GW published book the great Ian Watson was the first one I have ever seen write a book about Inquisitors.  In 1991 Watson published a book entitled what do you know "Inquisitor", go figure. But I like the heated debate in the forum, it had been dead for a few days.  Let the Golden Throne guide you posters of the 40k

  Something Terrible Stirs on the Planet Quaddis
Tattered Fates is now available for Dark Heresy

http://www.fantasyflightgames....ge_news.asp?eidn=555



Just in time for pay day=:)

I wish I could get into FF forums so I could get the scoop from the lads, but I don't exist, even though flakk Senior Cardinal Ignato is still one of your friends or is he been deleted, damn Inquisitors they can find you even on game chat forums.  Stop doing that with the covers flakk, I just stare at langly's work and forget to blink.

You could always make a new account=:)?

Although personally I like Abnett (I'm just starting yo get into the Gaunt's ghosts stuff now - Necropolis is probably worth a read for a look at a hive world, albeit one under siege), my point was actually rather narrower than the one I think you're making Z. Abnett literally wrote the DH background material in the rulebook - it lists him right there in the credits. That's what I mean by saying that his 'take' on the Imperium is normative for the Calixis sector.

Agreed Revmark both of you have good points though, although you win by tko. Yeah flakk but my whole deal was the religious aspect of DH, oh well I guess all start expect a message from cardinal Ignato minus the Senior, *weeps at loss of delusion of Imperial grandeur*

They finally got Tattered fates to the stores?
I guess its time for me to eat a hat.....

Hi!

I'm getting set up for running a new RPOL DH game and I need a blank character sheet for DH to post as an example.

Anybody got one? I couldn't find it in Heaven...

Here is one:

Sweet! Most grateful!

Something's been nagging at the back of my mind.

Does the Imperium have anything approaching a centralized Internet-like database?

Or are Astropaths essentially the exclusive form of interplanetary and inter-star-system communication...

By what I understand it depends on whose background you are reading at the time, I have played in and watched more than enough Inquisitor games to know that most storytellers assume so, and there logically has to be some sort of information system in place for the sharing of data, so I would say yes there is. however I dont think there is a MSN function built into it. I personally think of it like planet and maybee system wide information systems that can have information passed betweem them using astropaths.

Maybe for the Administratum but definitely not freely accessed.  Information and even communication for the masses is usually strictly controlled.

There was mention of ships being a source of information, but not sure who would get that information.  When ships reach some planets they might be the only source of information on what is going on in the rest of the Imperium, and what they do say could be an adventure in and of itself.  Imagine a rogue ship coming in to a place that has been cut off for hundreds of years and impersonated Imperial forces.  They could seed lots of dissension by saying the Emperor is dead or Terra has fallen...

I'd think that Astropaths and the like have the corner on that market.

Yeah local networks are very much in use
But no holonets like in Star wars

I've always played it that interstellar communication is only via astropath or courier. On hive worlds and forge worlds you'd expect to find something aproximating the internet, but there's no way to network across the Imperium. If you had multiple settled worlds within a single star system it might be possible to set up an interplanetary network, but the distances between stars are just too vast. There's also varied tech levels and the hierarchical and secrecy-obsessed nature of various parts of the Imperium to consider. Many worlds just do not have the technology to sustain an internet type system. Even when they do, not everyone will be able to access it. I'd see the Mechanicus as essentially setting up their own network wherever they are, but that's for them, not for general consumption. The chances are everything is in Tech and machine code anyway, which dramatically limits accessibility. Some institutions may just prefer to keep things in non-digital formats as a matter of course. In some cases this may be for aesthetic reasons or a dislike of technology. In other cases (as with the Inquisition) it will be because keeping everything in hard copy only as much as possible enhances secrecy. To get at Inquisition records you have to actually physically break in and get them - it can't be done remotely. I think the fluff that accompanied FFG's recent release schedule gives a good overview of how this might work. Once you put those sorts of records on the internet (however secure you think it might be - and the Inquisition is smart and paranoid enough to know that once you trust your information to a machine you're ultimately giving control of it over to the Mechanicus) all the elaborate safeguards become irrelevant.

Looks pretty sweet-



http://www.fantasyflightgames....ge_news.asp?eidn=597

Wow RevMark busting out the Dark Truth!!! Yeah, plus most math head and physicist agree nothing can travel faster than light, it seems a theorem that is seriously being looked at as a law.  RevMark DH IQ is insane, and the radicals keep coming a lot of hard-liners are complaining about too much fluff and art not enough enough, but hey man they got to make a buck, and what system has better looking Tomes than DH, except maybe Rouge Trader?

 FF works like the Inquisition "information is the key" and they have it to make you drool.  Like this new view which everyone has probably seen, everyone on this game or forum should be part of FF, we could start a group on the forum.  RPol FFers.  Keep it grim and the Gods thirsty....

http://www.fantasyflightgames....ge_news.asp?eidn=608

Preview art from the upcoming Radical book!  Zac beat me to it but for those too lazy to click on the link.....

#1) Penal Legionnaire-


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#2) Hive mutie!



Awesome!  I love this pic!

#3) Maletek Stalker???  Meh....

#4) Istvaanian faction of the Inquisition?

#5) Last but certainly not least- a corrupted noble!



Pretty creepy!

"A Three part question for forum: (A)  How is the Peer Talent in DH? And (B) Is it dependent on or handled for all Ordos or Ecclesiastic and such in a particular or is each different? (C) Is this Fel advance for a specific purpose or is a peer a "Contact" of the Ordos?

"Innocence Proves Nothing"

I'm not entirely sure I've understood your question. I think in B you're asking how specific it should be. My advice is to keep it as broad as possible, otherwise the usefulness is dramatically reduced. If you have to get the talent three times once for each Ordo before you can count yourself a Peer of any and all Inquisition agents the whole thing becomes a very expensive proposition. In fact, I'm tempted to broaden out some categories. 'Arbites' as a category used in this talent and others (Common Lore etc) I'm strongly tempted to redefine as 'Law Enforcement', to include local enforcers as well as Arbites officers.

 I've found the Peer talent a very useful one. It essentially gives a games mechanic for something I've tended to always factor into social interaction in any case - the fact that if your character is an Arbites (for example) you're likely to get a far better reaction from an Arbites officer (or indeed any law enforcement official) than someone who is not. This is partly about being recognised as an insider, but partly also about familiarity with proceedures, specialist vocabulary etc which means that even if you're not openly being Arbites you'll relate to them better than an outsider would.

I've found it particularly helpful because the characteristic advance costs mean that some characters are unlikely to ever increase their Fel much. This gives them a way to get better at the sort of social interactions that you would expect them to be good at. It also gives some meaningful talents for characters who are specialising in that sort of thing, each talent representing a sustained effort to familiarise yourself with a different section of society.

What RevMark said=:)  An easy way to get a +10 with a particular group.  Espcially useful with tech-priest who get no FEL advances.  Hopefully they have the required FEL 30 or else they are never getting it=:)

A nice talent for those times you want to "give" PC's a gift for a particularly well done mission but don't want they to get a free combat skill/talent.

More images are out from the Radical book.

http://www.fantasyflightgames....ge_news.asp?eidn=642

Here is my fav one-

Damn release it allready FFG

I'm slow, I know...I know...but I finally got "The Inquisitor's Handbook".  Flipping through it I'm am impressed.  Now I just need to read it (it's in queue behind two other books).  Anyone have any favs from the book?  What do I have t read and include in my game first=:)?

I love the background packages. Love love love. And speaking as one who has both new origins as players in his games, as a GM, I adore the Mind-Cleansed and Noble-Born backgrounds for the potential they give GM's and Players.

I'd second that, as both player and GM, and I love the Schola Progenum and Forge World backgrounds too (and you have someone with a Schola background in one of your games too WarriorPoet!). The specific home-world packages are often really helpful too, sometimes fixing common gripes with the standard backgrounds. Want a void-born character who isn't weedy? Try Battlefleet Calixis. Want a tough Hive Worlder? Try a Volgite.

Much of the book, however, is best simply slowly digested and mulled over. I have favourite new items of gear (the armoured bodyglove being an obvious one), but the real gold here is the value of the whole section in terms of giving background to the sector. My only gripe with it is the indexing. Laying it out in terms of different world types is a nice conceit in that it makes it possible to find the nugget of background information you were looking for without having to read through the whole book. (So, there's a nice little box somewhere with an overview of prominent frontier worlds, and I'd have a reasonable chance of finding it again). However, it makes for a frustrating equipment book (which is supposedly what it is, rather than being a sector guide). I may remember discovering a nifty new ammo type, but I can't remember if it was listed as a Forge World, Void, Hive World, War, or even Holy Ordos product. And that means flicking through half the book to find it again.

Yes, I had forgotten that Aurelia is Schola Progenum, add that one to ones I like as well...

The Inquisitor's Handbook is a very nice book. I am a big fan of the Schola background and have been using it to develop an Inquisitorial Institution background to make it possible for players to be proper witch/xeno/daemon hunters and inquisitors in training as it were, as to me that is one of the biggest gaps in the career/homeword combination.

knowledge like the new backgrounds in IH, I just think a career book, something like WHFRP career book might have been needed and an equipment supplement. I would have paid for two books but thanks for FF jamming in as much info as possible the rest of the supplements are very small in info.  IH is still my most highly regarded of all the supplements for those looking for bang for the dollar, euro, peso etc..

Continued from DH: Gameproposal

Regarding Tau and Sector Calixis...

Nah to be honest for the scope that DH builds on i can think of a number of plausible way for a small cadre of communist infiltrators to reach Sector calixis trough dumb luck or calculated means.
An entire tau army tough is another matter

-Smuggled trough a Rogue trader, i mean enough money/land/&booty and these guys usually do anything and they come in all the colors of morality

-Lost in Space. One can only assume the Tau empire have encountered and explored Spacehulks travelling trough their space, and its not hard to think of a group lost as it exits realspace only to appear in Calixis

-Stolen Tech, Withn the number of imperial worlds subjugated and embraced the Tau must ahve plenty of access to warp craft and a navigator or two who felt the call of comunism

I suppose you could do all that, though it'd be pushing the realms of believability, though when you have so many other enemies you could throw against your acolytes, especially with the Logicians being so similar to the Tau, why you would want the little grey men all the way over in Calixis for, I dunno.

I just feel that the Tau as a whole, are a mistake. The reason is simple for me. They are a race with heavy anime influence that just doesnt fit well with the who dark and gritty feeling of 40K.

In all Honesty, I sterotype people who play them, and refuse to play against them. Why? Well I dislike their fluff, and I dislike their look, and I feel that GW should have just came out of the closet and told everyone the truth of why they made the Tau. To Get all those geeky anime Fan boys to play the game.

Now I love Anime, but it does not belong in my 40K.

I agree with Exalt as to their origin.
However I'll use the Tau as their role in the 40k world is perfect for tempting a character to walking away from the light of the Holy Emperor of man and towards a race of apparent peace and communal understanding.
However with no protection, nor means to defend themselves from the Warp I would play into that flaw.
The Emperor protects, the Tau cannot protect humans from the moral threat of the warp as effectively.
Not to mention the Tau just play a nice catch for any mentality towards peace and common 'greater good'.
Throw Chaos at them in a story, the Tau crumble, they are not willing to vaporize their own army after doing battle with the Warp spawned as the Terrians are, as armies to witness such things are prone to breaking, bringing the warp back with them as the fourth pillar, destroying from within.

On other reason I do not like them. To me the should have been wiped out by the warp already. 2) the nids should have eaten them, and 3) any race that finds the orks and lands on a ork held world to invite them into the greater good, Is a race too stupid and trusting to survive in the Grim Dark.

I think the only things, thus far, that have spared the Tau is their incredible fast rate at which they adapt and create new technologies and their apparent youth as a civilization compared to the Imperium.
Compaired to the lumbering, decaying corpse of the Imperium the Tau are a new, upstart species that will be delt with in time when the Eye of Terror is placated enough to venture into the Calxis sector and purge them from exsistence.

In short I agree with Exaly, in the grim dark future the Tau as a civilization are doomed, they will eventually collapse under either the legion of the Imperium or the endless vile destruction of the Warp.
Or be eaten by nids.

Of all the things that will kill the tau it wont be the warp.

The Tau have a minimal presence in the warp which makes it all but impossible for chaos to effect/corrupt them and that is one of the underlying reasons that they have advanced so quickly.

Nids will eat them, orks will smash them, the C'tan will take them away to start a new Necron race, but choas will not wipe them out (at last not in the 'your soul is mine, MWAHAHAHA' kind of way).

Like I've said, I don't think the Tau would be anywhere near the Calixis sector, but I disagree with the whole stereotype thing, and that people discriminate against those that like them.

I quite like the Tau, I have an army of them, but I dislike the vast mjority of anime (the only single one I actually own being Ghost in the Shell) and have never watched a single "robot anime" ever, so your description of a Tau liker is not only wrong, but disgustingly prejudiced.

I don't know about you not wanting to play with some people, but I can imagine a lot of people not wanting to play with you.

Well, I just dont like the army, secondly I sterotype because a majority of players where I live who play tau do the same one trick pony. 3 Heavy support choices, all broadsides twin linked str 10 ap2, split firing, goodness. So why would I want to play against that army when it is all that they play?

One more thing, I never said they were bad people, as to the anime geek thing, I made fun of myself, for I love anime. At my game store people want to play me because I am someone who loves to play it for fun, for story, not in tournments.(not any more anyway I run them) If you love the army thats fine, as members of the human race we all have our opinions and are entitled to them, I just dont think they belong in the grim dark.

As for the Calixis sector I believe that your right in that its a strech for a race with limited warp cap. to be there. Same for kroot. Now as to the psych powers that are lacking in the tau, I believe that it would be an interesting story arc if they did get warp powers. How do the Tau deal with that...Think about it...All for the Greater Chaos GO....er....greater good...yeah.

Does anyone know of the line up for DH after the launch of the Radical Book Later next month?

I am hoping to see some more material, maybe a worlds guide, or maybe a puritan book release.

My DH game just hit 7000 posts!

Shame on you, You should be more humble!

http://www.fantasyflightgames....dge-is-power-web.pdf

Ascension
Available Q4 2009
$49.95 MSRP
This book takes your Acolytes to the
next tier of power in the Calixis Sector.
Learn to wield the authority of an
Interrogator’s rosette, join the elite
ranks of the Inquisitional Stormtroopers,
or discover the secrets of technology
known only to a Magos of the Lathe
Worlds. Ascension also includes new
gear, Talents, and Skills for characters
who are ready to ascend to greater
responsibilities...and greater challenges.


I would like to see a puritan book, as well. Although radicals probably are the coolest ones overall (in some ways at least), I'd have to say that it's way cooler to play a puritan. The radicals are what some (most?) assumes the players to act out their characters. At least I've been given that impression from peopl I've talked to, but some of the better roleplayers of says that it really is much much more interesting to play a puritan character because the system and setting allows it (although, if you ask me, you have to keep yourself in line there as well).

And I agree. I take a far greater delight in playing a zealous character devoted to the God-Emperor who stives towards purity (with rather strict and extreme measures), than I do with a character who plays it loose with the rules, bending them to his benefit and likely being not much better than his prey (although this too has its good roleplaying aspect, by all means!). I guess it's just what I want to accomplish in the games I play. I want to feel the strict no rules-trespassing society of the grim future, even if it means I'm basically playing a space fascist (which, as I said, can be done wrong as well as right). It's the whole deal with the fact that with billions upon billions of worlds and people in the Imperium of man, and dark enemies looming at every threshold, you have to rule with a strict hand to ensure there's no unrest within the Imperium that could destroy it. I want to follow that dogma when I play.

But I digress... No Idea what comes after the Radicals Handbook except Ascension and the final book of the Haarlock Trilogy I reckon.

BTW, anyone got the first book? Is it any good? I praise pre-generated adventures for my DH group for times when I have more than enough to do with only running the game. I've heard it's ok, with some rules and hooks as well as fluff for Calixis, but I don't know the specifics. It's a little like the Enemy Whithin campaign that was released for the WFRP rpg a long time ago (for the first edition?), in that you wake up with amnesia in captivity or something? (No huge spoilers, though!). I know not everyone appreciate that approach.

I'd also like to hear people's thoughts on the adventure before I buy it.  Right now I am running "The Thousand Thrones" and love the epic scale if it (we're on chapter 4/9 after a year+ playing, think we started back in May 2008) so if "The Tattered Fates" is good I might invest in it for the long haul.

Well without giving away too much I would give it 4 out of 5 stars. The only thing that disappoints me is the length of it, a little bit on the thin side for the cost of it. Other than that I say its a good purchase, just a little bit on the thin side.

I have to agree with Exalt that it is a good adventure. And on the thin side he is partially correct....
If you run it as written it is indeed pretty thin and quick paced, but there is also a ton of oportunity to add own stuff and lengthen scenes

Have not ran it yet, like Flakk i am at the moment runnign Thousand thrones (but with two groups ) but after that we will see..

Yes thats true. I have problems adding my own stuff in it, I was just hoping that it would be a little bit beefier is all for the price tag on it.

LOL!



Sounds like the way my group operates=:)

lol, sounds like my 3.5FR game. No social graces what-so-ever. Always ends up, please roll diplomacy to make your nasty comments soothe the angry bartender or your shit out of luck.

Heh, flakk we have really made strides with our Fellowship tests and interrogation skills in general.  We have seen a 2000% increase in intelligence gained from "detainees", once we put operation "Let Them Talk before Shooting Them" into place.

LOL.  So true.

Bazal wuzzle?
I got no idea, but ya, that comic tickles me.
My players are driving me nuts, this is your fault Flakk.

LOL!  I'll take full responsibility.

A new article on the "Radicals Handbook" is out-

http://www.fantasyflightgames....ge_news.asp?eidn=824

Another preview of the Radical's Handbook is on the FFG site.  Enjoy.



http://www.fantasyflightgames....ge_news.asp?eidn=868

Seems like the art is pushing more and more towards the, "Inquisitors stupid enough to use sorcery." side of Radicalism. I guess demonic images are more fun to draw?

Woot!  My game DH game hit 8000 posts the other day.  Good times and I am lucky to have such good players.

I'm still impressed that Black-hearted, Reckless Abandon is over 400 posts after just a few weeks.

My personal favorite however is that my Commissar in RevMark's game is about to hit his 1000th post. Mind you I do spend a lot of time posting random bits of tat in the OOC along the lines of 'Stupid GW, no Dark Eldar still.', but longer with 200% more rant.

So who is going to get theirs first?=:)

http://www.fantasyflightgames....ge_news.asp?eidn=926

Not a huge book on my list of priorities, but I will be getting it....after I finish the three or four books I have yet to finish.

Cool. Wonder when my local store will get it?

I doubt my local store will get it unfortunately, I'm having them ship me in a copy though.. The owner doesn't like Warhammer much at all XD.

I know for a fact I'll get it but I wish FFG would finish what they've started first and give us the rest of the Harlock Trilogy!

Still, with this and Rogue Trader it's been a good couple of weeks for 40k RPG's after a few months of nothing.

I've had my copy pre-ordered for months, so I can't wait to get hold of it.

Has anyone picked up the new Radicals book yet?  If yes how is it?

Picked my copy up today, not read it but flicked through the player section. I must say some of the backgrounds look interesting... not sure how they'd fit into a standard team.

You may end up having to run a team of radicals to get the best use out of the book but then it would make the game a whole lot darker in feel... and probably be quite good fun at the same time.

The newest agents of the Inquisition=:)

Mankind is doomed!

Judging by the parrot I'd say they're more likely to be Rogue Traders, mi hearties!

LOL.  Agreed.  Rogue Traders to the core!

Then they should have a cyberparrot at least!

In reply to Nagash_FFC (msg #283):

They spent all their gelt on the swizzle auto-gun (complete with scope and melée attachment) and photo-visors:)

Fantasy flight games gives out three free Radical Alternate career ranks with the latest news: http://www.fantasyflightgames....ge_news.asp?eidn=984

The Demagogue, Infil-trator and Saboteur.

I really like the Demagogue, bring your pitchforks and torches. I would see cleric inspiring the rabble to take arms against a corrupt government or witches.

Nice stuff!  I just took a quick look and the three classes look fun.  I'll have to examine them more in depth.  Mmmmmmm free stuff=:)

And soon all of these freebies will be complied into a well made box bundled along side some high quality cards and special dice and be sold with a far too high price tag... ok ok I will stop with the mocking of Fantasy Flight Games.

It is nice to see a few more career choices although I would prefer to see some actual new careers at some point.

In reply to Banjo (msg #287):

Special dice no but I would pay for some d10s with the aquilla instead of a "10".  That would be awesome!

I dont think you would see the aquilla on any dice made by FFG as it is a GW copyrighted logo, we are more likely to see the rogue trader compass logo that FFG created on a set of d10s, which is a shame aquilla dice would rock

I don't suppose anyone is interested in running a game of DH?

It looks like FFG put up the first snippets about Dark Heresey: Ascension.

http://www.fantasyflightgames....e_news.asp?eidn=1003

Most of it sound very intriguing the only bit from a fluff point of view that gets me is the allowing assassins from normal DH be converted to Vindicare Assassins.

Now dont get me wrong having a Vindicare is cool and very inkeeping with the setting that Ascension allows you to play in, but unless your character was kidnapped at birth or dumped into the Hands of the Adeptus Terra as a child then given bio-mods and enhancements, brainwashed and trained for God Emperor knows how long in the arts of ranged killing by other Temple Assassins then you should not have the option of Vindicare Assassin open to you.

Now every hive boy with a bit of skill with a long-las will be applying for enrolment into the Adeptus Terra 12 Week Sniper Program.

This is where GM discretion comes in. Bear in mind; just because a skill rank is open does not necessarily mean that it will be available for a player. It is the GM and only the GM who decides what can and cant be acquired.

You can't acquire training in Power Weapons if there's nobody to teach you, afterall, as an example.

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On a separate note; I don't have a problem with making Temple assassins available to ordinary players. I always found the bit of fluff that all Temple Assassins are trained on-earth a bit much. Of course, 40k is by nature over the top in its absurdities, but speaking bluntly, if these assassin clades are as wide spread as the fluff makes them sound, and able to reach any area of the Imperium, it would stand to readon that they have secret locations in every sector where they can sample the local talent and mold them to their desires.

My 2 cents. Really looking forward to this book.

In reply to TheWarriorPoet519 (msg #292):

True, you can't have what the GM wont allow.

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The idea that temple assassins being common is just a product of the wargame which allows every Imperial player (probably 40% of the entirety of 40K players, if not more) to field one (same reason why the Commissar is the most abundant, talented and capable Imperial Guard Officer there is).

By fluff alone they are one of the Imperium's rarest warriors, numbering in the tens of thousands for each temple at best and all their missions come direct from Terra, at least officialy. Personally I don't find the whole trained on Terra thing too far fetchted, each temple and its masters, apart from the Culexus are on Terra so training has to be done there. However I have been exposed to 40K so much I happily accept that Marine chapters can be formed from one planet and get around the Imperum without any trouble, so my opinions may be slightly scewed.

In the end I can understand having scouts out looking for new talent, but that is on Schola Progeniums and feral worlds, and once they are found, new recruits are quickly sent to Terra for their ten years of training, in a similar manner to psykers and the black ships.

Thing is its not the inclusion of the Temple Assasins that bothers me, or even allowing people to play them, its how they will butcher what is already a stessed background further to make it possible for players to upgrade to them. I supose I just have to take it with a pinch of salt and accept that every Vindicare I come across is the 1 in a 1,000,000,000 extremely talented exception, that was given training depsite age and background. Go PC glow.

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40K related Nerd-rage asside the book does look promising. I would be interested to see how the Ascension careers meash with Rogue Trader ones as I am still very interested in getting involved in a game that uses both sensibly.

Banjo - That was my first thought on looking at Ascension; that it was a bridge between DH and RT levels of play.

Personally, I like the normal level of DH for play, but can see where long suffering groups would want to upgrade to the Interrogator/Inquisitor levels of play.

I've never really been part of a group thats got to the higher levels we usually die way before then.

I'm looking forward to that book. I've got a character who's Inquisitor material, but sadly no close to the ranks.


On another note, FFG have announced the final 3 contesters in the Radical adventure contest. Haven't read them as I'd like to have chance to play them without spoiling the fun. http://www.fantasyflightgames....e_news.asp?eidn=1008

Later today they will announce the winner.

Alright maties!

Trying to spur some discussion and solicit your help for a GM and fellow player (me!).

Christmas gift question - I've scoring an Amazon gift card and can probably get two of these. Which do you suggest?

- Harrlock's Leg.: Tattered Fates
- Rogue Trader
- Radicals Handbook
- Disciples of the Dark Gods
- Creatures Anathema

Rogue Trader and Radicals Handbook would be what I'ld go for with the Creatures Anathema in a close third.

I've not seen the Radical's handbook, so I can't really compare, but I'd definitely get Creatures Anathema. Packed with great beasties, aliens and other assorted nasties, every one of them nicely eerie, and with more adventure hooks than you can shake a very large stick at.

'Disciples' didn't impress?

In reply to Olympia (msg #300):

I really like Disciples.  The creature book is a bit more useful if you are looking for more "exotic" foes, but if humans are your primary foe the Disciples book is awesome.  It has plenty of cults, hooks, new psychic powers, and foes (Acro-flagellants, Ogryns, etc).

Just my 2 gelt worth.

Has anyone heard anything about the release date of Asscension?

I am currently debating on weather getting The Radicals Handbook for my birthday or not, but if asscension is out within the next month or so I am willing to save my money and get that instead.

Well I'm not sure about how often they update their website often but it still shows Ascension in the development stage...so rough guess bassed on that would be it'll be more than a month.

They should hurry with that, one of our characters is nearing to the very end of her last rank!

Thing is, I remember it being advertised as a November 2009 release, that is why I was wondering whether anyone had heard anything at all.

I remember that as well, but as the lurking creep goes with publishing dates the second in the Harlock trilogy is coming out soonish, which in my mind puts Ascention out prolly come late Feb-ish...just a pure guess though.

Amazon says April 13th for shipping date. I've pre-ordered it.

Dark Cities is now on sales, according to the FFG website!

I just received my radicals handbook copy today and I have to say wow!  Some brilliant ideas in there especially when combined with the other books.  It really allows you get a eclectic mix to your group of acolytes.  If playing in real life I'd recommend players don't tell each other if they are radical or not, let it come out naturally through their actions and philosophy.  This new book adds layers to the intrigue so your not just looking out for the enemy but also for those within your own ranks who may succumb to corruption.

Sounds cool!  Glad to hear it is worth getting....and Damned Cities sounds good as well.  Wonder if it can be played without using the first one in the series?

I guess it could.  I haven't got it yet but I have the first which is ok.  Very big but gives lots of ideas and characters that can be adapted.  As it's meant to be a trilogy I think you may miss some of the story and the lore if you didnt get them all.

I have not heard much about the first but if it has soom goodies in it and is worth running I might just get them both=:)

I recently got th copy of The Radical's as well, and I'm just as floored as Ben is. It's a wonderful book. Well worth looking into for goodies and character advances and the like.

So so so many ideas for plot in the background too.  Loads of radical factions and how they stand in relation to the rest of the inquisition.  All info that makes your inquisitor come to life.  Also the info on how to run radical campaigns is good.  how to tempt your players into becoming radical without realising it.

Just thought I'd toss a shameless plug in here.  I am running two games of Dark Heresy which are mildly related.  There will be a plotline to each game separately, as well as a larger plot thread between both.  I love having lurkers and you are more than welcome to come spam the OOC with thoughts or suggestions about the games.


link to another game
1st game, the original

link to another game
2nd game, Acolytes have just formed their Cell.

Not only do I appreciate lurkers but I always like having backup characters in case I lose folk.  So by all means, drop by and enjoy the intrigue.

  I saw a thread on this on the FFG boards, but it looked like the discussion had pretty much run its course and so I thought I'd ask the question here:

How prevalent is anti-grav technology in general and personal hover vehicles in particular in your campaigns?

  I gather that (my knowledge of 40K fluff being heavily weighted towards its earlier incarnations where everyone and their dog could jump on a jetbike) antigrav technology is now supposed to be highly restricted in canonical material. However, it seems to me that with Drive (Hover) being one of the most widely-available skills in the game, DH envisages a universe in which such vehicles are widely used. So, how do you play it?

I tend not to use them very much at all.  Flying cars of any description are the preserve of the really fabulously wealthy or influential residents of hive city spires rather than something that is commonplace.

But then I base most of my vision of the Imperium on Dan Abnett's novels, and he doesn't really go in for hovercars.

I work off their being a wide variety of hover which I split down the middle into the old golden age of technology archeotech variety (Marine jet bike hover systems etc) which are worth more than the earnings of an entire system and  the more recent less advanced anti-grav tech used in servo skulls, guard grav-chutes and everyday vehicles etc.

I tend to use a fairt amount of hover in my games, mixed in with more common wheeled and tracked vehicles.

In reply to RevMark (msg #316):

If you want lots of flying vehicles in your Imperial setting, just make a cosmetic switch to the drive technology but keep the stats and mechanics.

Make Imperial hoverers rotor-lifted or vectored-thrust, with lots of smelly fumes and accidental decaptations of extras.

Meanwhile, Xenos and Archaeotech hoverers can be powered by Anti-Grav in the grand space opera tradition.

New article on 'Ascension'.  Looks shiny!  I want!

http://www.fantasyflightgames....e_news.asp?eidn=1060
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Really nice! 12 careers and a few Throne agent ranked careers. Influence and power system.

It really sounds awesome!  Another book to add to my list.  It is almost a blessing that there will be no more WFRP2nd books.....so many RT and DH books to get.

More info on the Ascension book:



Link: http://www.fantasyflightgames....e_news.asp?eidn=1070

The big question is, who is planning on running a high level DH game or is going to kick their current DH game up to the higher level?

More importantly how do I get in on it?

I was wondering the same thing here. Count me interested :)

It's not even out yet!  I will reserve judgement on its coolness till I have read it.  At the moment I am not convinced especially with the Vindicare assasin as a career path...

Neither am I. I think they should have left it out, it wouldn't have meant we'd lost anything big. Temple Assassins are trained from a young age, it makes no sense to make it an add-on career!

Also, good to see you over here Ben :P Was wondering if I'd run into you after seeing you over on Dark Reign.

So far they have been successful in creating a DH game that is fun to play and the RT game where I was wondering how to keep such a game manageable. Yet they managed that feat. So I am interested in Ascension, because they have not disappointed me yet with their new books. So I have faith that the God-Emperor has guided their hand.

I wonder how the Ascension path will influence my current DH character though.

(They did disappoint me with abandoning WFRp 2nd though)

Oh I agree about the Temple Assassin thing whole heartedly, its just plain dumb to allow a DH sniper to upgrade to one. Having rules for one in setting is nice though and being able to run a game where you can have characters that you would have used whilst playing the old Inquisitor game is very appealing to me. The chance to re-create my old Daemon Huntress would be cool.

Being able to play a character who can sensibly get involved in system politics, power stuggles and actually be capable of taking on daemonic invasions is a good step towards having a more complete 40K roleplay game.

I would love to play in the game of this.  I've wanted to play an actual Inquisitor since the day DH first came out.

Agreed, without a doubt.

"The House of Dust and Ash" and "Tattered Fates".....do they link up or is there a good hook for bridging the two?  My group (well one of the two groups of Acolytes) is about halfway through the "House of Dust and Ash" and I am trying to think of what to do with the survivors once they havce finished.  No spoilers please as a couple players are here as well.

Failing a way to connect "Tattered Fates" (or if it sucks) is there anything you would recommend for a small group of PC's in the 2000xp range?

Tattered fates is awesome...  However, I find that the first part can be harsh to the acolytes especially if they have tried really hard to get some nice equipment.  If you read the first part of it you will see why.  I fully recommend it but you need to read the story so carefully and probably several times so you are fully immersed in it as it is quite involved and the better you know it the more fun your group will have.

A bit more Ascension info.

http://www.fantasyflightgames....e_news.asp?eidn=1084

All things considered I like the sounds of the mastered skills although I feel they could be applied to mid level DH characters just as easily and could have been stuck in the RT rules just as easily

The paragon talents seem a bit out of place though. Apart from ones like the dual-shot talent progression etc most talents are stand alone and unlike skills that have a wide application and can be boosted.

Personally I am looking forward to this book as I am still in my create a massive DH-RT cross over game phase. On the downside I can see this book just handing a DH more tricks and ammunition from a games mechanics point of view to use against the RT ones. Mind, RT characters taking up the role of high level inquisitorial servants sounds good though.

I wonder if a DH character has to get all the way to level 8 of his career before moving to an ascended career or whether this will be open earlier on, it just seems a bit daft to say you have to complete the career you started through to its most senior ranks before you become an Interrogator even though to become an Interrogator you would have to have left your original career.

Any word on what's next after Ascension? I'd love a Puritan's Handbook to balance the Radical.