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Black Crusade: Discussion.

Posted by flakkFor group 0
Sarge
player, 31 posts
Sat 25 May 2013
at 01:29
  • msg #150

Re: Black Crusade

Testing the waters to see if anyone would be interested in playing a game of "Black Crusade" focused on the former Imperial Hive World Agrellan, currently Mu'gulath Bay, shortly after it's conquest by the Tau Empire? I've had an idea for a Tau "centric" 40k game in my mind for a couple years now and seeing a certain lack of the blue xenos presence in other games I decided to take it upon myself to bring them to the forefront for once, be it as friends or foes.

So far I've received some feed back stating a desire to play loyalist guerrillas, but I am more than willing to GM two opposed teams of guerrillas and Gue'vesa in the same game, if there's any desire to play them that is. Currently I'm only looking at human characters, but if there's enough interest I may be willing to let people play as Kroot and Tau if that's what they really want.

Here's the concept:

The Tau had never seen anything like it before, over a hundred billion humans living on a single planet, sheltering within titanic super structures they called "Hives" with thousands of them covering the surface of the world they called Agrellan. Most Tau had disregarded such fanciful tales as preposterous over exaggeration of their "Human Helpers" or as down right impossible lies told to them by their many defeated foes, but here before them they saw the true power of humanity, overwhelming numerical superiority.

There were more Gue'la on this single world then there were Tau throughout their entire Empire. They should have been terrified, they should have retreated before the mass of Humanity and prayed to their Tau'va that the Imperium never unleashed their full might upon their speck of an empire, but they didn't, they invaded, and worse still they won a crushing victory over the world's massive Planetary Defense Forces right outside Agrellan's capital hive. They managed this through the use of their overwhelming technological superiority in the form of their new XV104 Heavy Battlesuits affectionately named "Riptides" after their most famous of Shas'o, the latest prototype created by the Fio or "Earth" caste.

Those that survived the massacre either fled into the capital or were taken prisoner by the victorious Tau, but unlike the Imperium's "Arch Nemesis" the Tau were not interested in wanton bloodshed. They realized they had accomplished the impossible and that at any second it could all come crashing down around them if they didn't maintain the status quot. So under the guidance of Aun'Va and O'Shaserra the Planetary Governor of Agrellan was made to swear allegiance to the Tau Empire, while the system's Agro world was swiftly conquered to maintain order by ensuring a steady flow of food and water to the renamed world of "Mu'gulath Bay".

Most hive dwellers were content with the change of allegiance so long as the food and water continued to flow, but for a few it was either everything they could have hoped for or everything they feared. Those of the former persuasion were quick to vow allegiance go the Tau Empire and to take on the title of "Gue'vesa", while those of the latter slipped into the shadows of the underhive to plot their insurgency against these xenos invaders and the traitors that worshiped them, they would become "Guerrillas".

But the question remained... How far would they go to fulfill their goals?

...

So any interested parties?
Alectai
player, 15 posts
Sat 25 May 2013
at 06:20
  • msg #151

Re: Black Crusade

I actually might be interested, though a lot depends on whether we're running "Tau Sterilize and crush anyone who sides with them who aren't also Tau", or if we're going with a more merit based thing.

Because I kind of want a change of pace from always being loyalist or always being Chaos all the time.
Sarge
player, 32 posts
Sat 25 May 2013
at 07:02
  • msg #152

Re: Black Crusade

Truth be told the Tau ending of Dark Crusade was uncharacteristically dark for the race and some say it was GW's unsuccessful attempt to make the Tau fit more in line with the rest of the grim dark universe, a trope which is ludicrous in it's own right. Regardless I'm more inclined to agree with those who think it was non cannon as GW seems to agree that the Space Marine ending was supposedly canonical anyways, regardless, you don't recall a general for using brutal tactics on one world, then go around and commit even greater atrocities on another. I of course speak of O'Var or Commander Brightsword at the Koloth Gorge Massacre on Nimbosa.
Crusadeath
player, 65 posts
Sat 25 May 2013
at 08:08
  • msg #153

Re: Black Crusade

I'm good, so long as I can play a loyalist.
Alectai
player, 16 posts
Sat 25 May 2013
at 09:40
  • msg #154

Re: Black Crusade

Sarge:
Truth be told the Tau ending of Dark Crusade was uncharacteristically dark for the race and some say it was GW's unsuccessful attempt to make the Tau fit more in line with the rest of the grim dark universe, a trope which is ludicrous in it's own right. Regardless I'm more inclined to agree with those who think it was non cannon as GW seems to agree that the Space Marine ending was supposedly canonical anyways, regardless, you don't recall a general for using brutal tactics on one world, then go around and commit even greater atrocities on another. I of course speak of O'Var or Commander Brightsword at the Koloth Gorge Massacre on Nimbosa.


Sounds good then, I'll probably join as a "Turncoat" then.

Hopefully I rise through the ranks and get the actual cool hardware eventually!  Especially since given how that one Hive World has a bigger population then pretty much their entire empire--they're probably going to be a bit more willing to "Promote" auxillaries that distinguish themselves...  Since they don't really have a prayer of holding it otherwise.

(Seriously though, if there's any place that the Greater Good would fall on hearing ears, it's a Hive World--holy shit those are some nasty places!)
This message was last edited by the player at 09:45, Sat 25 May 2013.
Crusadeath
player, 66 posts
Sat 25 May 2013
at 10:05
  • msg #155

Re: Black Crusade

In reply to Sarge (msg # 152):

Something mechanics-wise, how're you gonna deal with things like Alignment and other chaosy stuff?
Alectai
player, 17 posts
Sat 25 May 2013
at 10:13
  • msg #156

Re: Black Crusade

Just remove them I guess.

Or we could do something like Only War's aptitudes thing instead.
Crusadeath
player, 67 posts
Sat 25 May 2013
at 10:41
  • msg #157

Re: Black Crusade

That sounds good. Perhaps we could go with OW instead of BC, Sarge.

Or rather, keep Black Crusade character creation, and use Only War for xp spending.
This message was last edited by the player at 10:45, Sat 25 May 2013.
Sarge
player, 33 posts
Sat 25 May 2013
at 18:14
  • msg #158

Re: Black Crusade

Perhaps, though I chose BC because it's been out longer and was likely to have more players then OW, as well as having that oh so interesting Infamy system, but yes the Aptitude system from OW could work in place of the Affiliation system in BC for character advancement, though it is far more costly XP wise and would also require both books as well as Aptitudes to be given to the BC Archetypes, so for simplicity's sake it's probably best to just stick with BC's Affiliation system. Additionally I am wary of using OW instead of BC given it's rather new state and how soul crushingly long the Regiment Creation process can take, not to mention it's overwhelming focus on martial aptitude.

So far I've 3 interested in Guerrilla and 1 in Gue'vesa, and preferably I'd have at least six in either camp to start that particular adventure, but can start whenever I'm comfortable with the amount of interest.

Edited after some light reading.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:18, Sat 25 May 2013.
Retias
player, 44 posts
Sat 25 May 2013
at 20:06
  • msg #159

Re: Black Crusade

Tau based game is verrry interesting to me, and I'd love to take part.  I'll put more thoughts up soon. :)

Edit:  And to round out numbers a bit more, I'd run for being a Gue'vesa.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:30, Sat 25 May 2013.
Alectai
player, 18 posts
Sat 25 May 2013
at 23:23
  • msg #160

Re: Black Crusade

Sarge:
Perhaps, though I chose BC because it's been out longer and was likely to have more players then OW, as well as having that oh so interesting Infamy system, but yes the Aptitude system from OW could work in place of the Affiliation system in BC for character advancement, though it is far more costly XP wise and would also require both books as well as Aptitudes to be given to the BC Archetypes, so for simplicity's sake it's probably best to just stick with BC's Affiliation system. Additionally I am wary of using OW instead of BC given it's rather new state and how soul crushingly long the Regiment Creation process can take, not to mention it's overwhelming focus on martial aptitude.

So far I've 3 interested in Guerrilla and 1 in Gue'vesa, and preferably I'd have at least six in either camp to start that particular adventure, but can start whenever I'm comfortable with the amount of interest.

Edited after some light reading.


True, true.

I'd say the best bet is the Black Crusade core system, and borrowing elements from other games as necessary (For instance, removing the Alignments, and otherwise playing with things).

You'd still have to homebrew quite a bit, but it's a plan that sounds like it'll be a huge pile of fun.
Retias
player, 45 posts
Sun 26 May 2013
at 15:07
  • msg #161

Re: Black Crusade

One quick question about your advancement plans for the game.  You're using the alignment charts from BC, so would that have the same difference in xp costs depending on what area players focus on?
Sarge
player, 34 posts
Sun 26 May 2013
at 20:07
  • msg #162

Re: Black Crusade

Yes, exactly how it is in the book, offers some reasons to specialize but doesn't downright punish you for attempting to generalize either.

Anyway, guess I'll start making it now and I'll be back in a few days.
Retias
player, 46 posts
Sun 26 May 2013
at 20:21
  • msg #163

Re: Black Crusade

Thanks.  And looking forward to it. :)
Alectai
player, 19 posts
Tue 28 May 2013
at 11:42
  • msg #164

Re: Black Crusade

Any updates on this yet?
Sarge
player, 35 posts
Tue 28 May 2013
at 13:52
  • msg #165

Re: Black Crusade

Not yet, though should be ready in another day or two.
Retias
player, 47 posts
Tue 28 May 2013
at 19:18
  • msg #166

Re: Black Crusade

Have you considered characters being created cooperatively for either side?  By that I mean, people still submit concepts and whatnot, but the characters aren't fully formed until each group settles on shared backstories and ties.
Sarge
player, 36 posts
Wed 29 May 2013
at 01:59
  • msg #167

Re: Black Crusade

Tis an option, though unnecessary and would certainly prolong character generation, but I suppose if people want it I won't say no.
Retias
player, 48 posts
Mon 3 Jun 2013
at 14:49
  • msg #168

Re: Black Crusade

Just to ask again, how is progress going on a game opening? :)
Sarge
player, 38 posts
Fri 7 Jun 2013
at 14:08
  • msg #169

Re: Black Crusade

Game's up and recruiting, link posted in the player wanted thread. Sorry for the wait.
SENIOR CARDINAL IGNATO
player, 224 posts
Innocence Proves Nothing
Wed 12 Mar 2014
at 18:48
  • msg #170

Re: Black Crusade

I don't even know who follows FF online anymore but the artwork for Black Crusade is just amazing, even if it is rather dark...http://fantasyflightgames.com/edge_news.asp?eidn=4686. The Old One will be rotting in a store near you soon...

O.O.C.
I guess I should PM flakk, who thankfully also ran the board game forum at one time.  This comment probably needs to be moved, but since, FF handles most of the Forums games, maybe just a new thread for all the great FF stuff.

Especially the silver line games, just been playing "Colossal Arena".  A real fast fun old revamp of original "Horse Racing Game".  Nothing about it sounds that fun until you play, faux gambling and "managing" creatures in a death match becomes somewhat addicting.  A rare fast one to five player "GateWay" game that doesn't involve the "farming of butter lettuce nor building Gnomish railroads through mystical rain forests!"

Tullyandy
player, 129 posts
Wed 12 Mar 2014
at 19:14
  • msg #171

Re: Black Crusade

Misread that title as having the 'blessing of Nurglet'
SENIOR CARDINAL IGNATO
player, 225 posts
Innocence Proves Nothing
Wed 12 Mar 2014
at 19:24
  • msg #172

Re: Black Crusade

Tullyandy:
Misread that title as having the 'blessing of Nurglet'

Sorry Tullyandy, if it was a joke my laugh bomb has a ridiculously long fuse from my head being so thick.  It usually takes me a few posts to understand anything anybody says, but dare I ask what a Nurglet? Is it the reincarnation of Nurgle as a small girl?  Or some Mac App that downloads bloat and despair to your I-phone, the Nurglet 2.0?
inirlan
player, 4 posts
Mon 17 Mar 2014
at 10:57
  • msg #173

Re: Black Crusade

SENIOR CARDINAL IGNATO:
Tullyandy:
Misread that title as having the 'blessing of Nurglet'

Is it the reincarnation of Nurgle as a small girl?


Considering that Japan made a cutesy romance comedy manga where the main character was the human incarnation(as a schoolgirl) of Nyarlathotep(amongst others), it wouldn't shock me.
Zeee
player, 14 posts
Thu 3 Apr 2014
at 22:54
  • msg #174

Re: Black Crusade

I've started a Black Crusade game:  link to another game
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