I must admit it's an experimental adventure, so I want your ideas here about it. What you like, what you don't, what and how should I change, what would you like to see in it (ideas about forecoming acts) etc... Everything that pops into your mind. Don't afraid to criticize me!

I would love the pace of the story tabletop, but for RPol it is a bit slow: I'm a late comer, so it doesn't really apply to me, but after 1.5 months nothing really has happened.

The setting/atmosphere is good, NPCs are fun too.

2c.

I've got your point and I suppose that everyone is waiting for some more intense action. I must becalm you, that it's not too far to come. Just make progress with the investigation!
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Personally I think you're doing a fantastic job, especially considered how many of us (me included) are quite happy to sit around and drink till we're blue in the face.

Wouldn't mind to see a few more loose ends, just to annoy those early birds.

Other than that, I think you're doing a brilliant job under the pressures of GMing.
Bonus points for the garlic barkeep.
:)

I didn't have a clue that you would like it that much :D

I am a bit curious to see how character advancement is going to be handled, but I guess it can be hard to justify XP rewards when the group pretty much travels from bar to bar, buy some supplies, ask a few questions, and then go to sleep.

After 60% of the party is slaughtered by a vampire, and the rest received some 15 insanity points, I'm sure we'll get some XP };-)

Perhaps a Common knowledge thread, where what common facts about the old world are either for the group as a whole or for individuals.

Everyone already has XPs, and after each ACTs I'll hand them over. You can learn advancements by yourselves, career changing will be bit more difficult (probably you'll need teachers for that), but we'll discuss that when the time will come.



That's a good idea, maybe I'll make one later :)

I am no longer complaining about the pace :-)

...

brrrrr ghosts not nice, and I fear what the future will bring...

Well, I'm announcing late that it's not exactly a High Fantasy adventure? :D

Not high fantasy! You mean I'm not invulnerable with oodles of magic items!

Oh dear...

Happy grin.

Weelll... not exactly... I mean frightening, nerve-racking and bit of classical style of horror :) I hope it offends no one, since I indicated it in the Game's Genre.

I do not wait only critics or compliments here, but even ideas about what would you like to see in the adventure, what would be interesting in this campaign. I could use up a couple of good ideas since I'm still writing parts of the adventure.

Lost Tileans :)

Wouldn't be dead Tileans better? *evil grin

:O

We're having enough problems with the wolves, let alone crafty Tilean businessmen!

correction: dead crafty Tilean businessmen

But really, I hope you guys can give me ideas, so we can make this game to everyone's liking.

 Hmmm, you mean other then surviving this battle?. <grin> i like making new chars. LOL

Good point :D You can start right away *evil grin

How do you guys like puzzle solving? Like puns, anagrams, picture-puzzles, deciphering and such?

I like them.

I reckon something from the past coming up would be nice, in partic. something for Linolil's past.

Never enough elves in Sylvania.

Also there must be much talk between Ivan and Nicolja 'bout snow and chaos. Typical Kislevian things.

Ivan, Ivan...

Well, it at least suggests that I should write a bit about her background, family, and such. GM, perhaps there could be a threat were you post character backgrounds? We would write them, of course, and PM them, so you can vet.

I know that other character of course would have no idea, but I think all players here can keep that knowledge out of IC interaction, and it is fun to read other characters history: for example I would really like to know what makes Ivan so morose.

Maybe as the adventure depends and we get more together he may...MAY, tell you.

I agree to Ivan. I have the background on charsheets, and if you want to know the others', then ask. If you want to keep 'em, then use scratch pad ;)

Or maybe we could have a thread, where you can keep public information about each other. Like Ivan told something Linolil, then Linolil writes a post in that thread about Ivan's story to archive it. What do you say?

I would like it.

Ideas about the game:

1) moral ambiguity. For example:
- meeting a vampire lordling who is willing to support to party without that ever being back-traced to him of course.
- choosing between strictures and rescuing innocents
- the only way to beat the bad guy is taking up that demon blade

Not that things like that happen every encounter, but warhammer is a dark world, and sometimes there is no good choice, only bad and worse. Some (difficult) way of setting things right afterwards would be nice to, but not mandatory :-)

2) neutral powerful NPCs.

Often powerful NPC are either there to help the PCs (rare) or oppose (common). It would be nice to have some who are neutral to start with and who can be made to help or hate the party depending on their actions.

Niccce! Now that's the kind of post what I'd like to have many in this topic during the whole game ;)

 Hmm, ideas?.

 With the foundation of the warhammer world, its always about holding back the forces of Chaos in its many forms.
 I guess my vote would be to see us (the good guys) finding various differant forms of chaos, in that it can be the common (monsters, tainted etc) to the hidden or those who dont know they are slowly being tainted, to the plain out mad men who hold power over areas.

 But to my char travel has to be part of his makeup to adventure.

 Using a pie chart it would be combat/50%,puzzles 20%,new places adventure 30%

Well Manfred doesn't really mind.  Probably traveling and some combat but NO PIES!  Chart pies or any other kind

Would like to see some persecution of a mutant child, perhaps burning. Make there be a real struggle between the moral characters methinks.

new places adventure 30% you mean like dungeon, travel and sightseeing stuff?

 Hmm, well dugeons,ruins typical adventure traps for the unwary. for this toon likes to travel so 30-40% would be wanting to examine that new set of ruins across the gorge with a raging river 50ft below. )

I know that I have not played yet so maybe I should remain quiet for now, but as always I open my mouth nevertheless. We seem to have quite many players, so maybe some grouping would be appropriate, I just can't believe 7-8 character scenes going forward smoothly. I hope you all prove me wrong =).

I just hope that this game leaves room for character development. And I don't mean xp (though that is nice also *yum yum*), but the character. It is not meant that chars are "ready" when just made IMO, so scenes that help us, or at least me, to do some nice RP to develop our characters would be appreciated. I play with some kind of barbarian form the north (to exaggerate a bit) so he could easily just become the silent guy killing things. And I don't want that.

The last thing so far is the size of single threads. Some 200+ replies can be hard to look through if one is looking for a specific comment or something. I don't know if anything can be done to change it, but shorter scenes or starting a new thread more often could help a bit. Again, if this bothers no-one else, feel free to ignore my babblings.

Well I wonder what the others think about the character development thing so far.

 Hmm, you mean other then the undead ignoring Tyre and his threats?, need to work on that.  As for the others we do have a collection of egos. Lets hope we survive this confrontation. <grin>

Till now things ran smoothly for a group as fractured as we are. Applause to our GM, who keeps people busy with little things whilst still progressing smoothly with the main plot.

Character development wise, well, I am happy, Linolil is going in a quite a different direction than I expected, and that is usually a good sign.

For long thread I've got a simple solution. I copy all the bit which I think will be important in my Scratchpad. Sometimes I have to look something up, but most of the time it's there.

When following the actual game and OOC thread I remembered one more thing I'd like to see in this game: Fighting encounters that do not end with one side being totally dead. I haven't read the former threads so I don't know how it is, but in most games I've been in fights always mean "kill everybody and loot their bodies".

Of course this doesn't always make sense. Those skeletons we are facing now don't understand anything so it is understandable that they don't stop. But more intelligent opponents usually appreciate their miserable lives too much to waste them =D. And this is my wish for the players also. I have seen maaaaaany games where FPs are lost in meaningless battles against enemies that the players should not be able to beat anyway. And again sometimes there are situations that just cry for a "last stand".

*End of this mindless rambling*

Your right Thorolf, but WH mechanics and raison-d'etre (wargames aren't fun if everybody runs away, retreating is not faster than charging, and to many opponents 'kill-all') usually preclude this option.

I know Linolil, trust me I know =D. The rules don't encourage escaping, but I still hope that there is more options at least every now and then. It is surprisingly refreshing to see opponent who flee, or worse, surrender :O. It is easy to kill every one and go on, but what if you get 5 surrendered outlaws in your hands? That seems to be one of the hardest puzzles to my players =D.

Don't worry about it. It won't be a hack and slash adventure.

Note about the 2nd ACT for myself: increase the size of the crypt so it can give enough challenge to the locked character while the others solve the mystery.

I personally loved the Wanda's part. I don't know (or actually I do =D ) how he liked playing it, but it was exciting as hell. Like it was taken from some novel. Somehow Ursula Le Guin's Tales from the Earthsea comes to mind. Especially the second book. Good show how to make a bit diffenrent scenarios. Very entertaining! Also congrats about the 3000th post, you seem to have a good game going =D.

Thanks so much :) Actually the 2nd ACT was totally my idea in every aspect, though there will be an ACT that is based on a book, but I will not say more of it.

Would it be possible to not use PL only posts? Lots of things happen somewhere else, and it is expected that the player lets his character be blissfully unaware of those things. If it is really secret then PMs are better.

I would like to stick to the PLs, but you're right. So EVERYONE please use some meaningful text in your messages other than PL! Like:
"Bob's laugh can be heard from the room"
or
"Bob whispers something into Karen's ear" or something.

I thought it would be time to give some comments. First, congrats 5000 posts is getting near. Secondly, I have to say that this game is great. There is enough action and every combat forces us to think about tactics. Definitely a good thing. Then there are the other parts that are perfect for more social RP.

Sometimes it is hard to keep up with the pace as some players post more than others. I don't think that is a flaw to those players, but it does sometimes make me think I don't participate enough. And I want to thank all the other, very talented players. It is a pure pleasure to read their clever decisions and RP. It makes me think myself as a total n00b sometimes though =D. It is good that my character can be considered socially handicapped, so that when I can't come up with a clever solution (or somebody does it before me) I can be the "me-no-understand" barbarian =D.

Just now it is hard to come up with things that should be improved... Oh and by the way, I loved the dreams! There is no reason to over do it, but this far it has been one of my favorites!

I've been thinking about how to play out these inter battle interludes. A lot of time is spent talking (and healing, good!) but for me it is sometimes unclear how much can be done/has been done by characters.

Could I ask for a kind of 10(?) minutes 'rounds' in these circumstances, were everybody tells what main things they are trying to achieve?

True, it is a bit mechanical, any other solution to this problem would be fine by me too.

I'm always summing things in posts, while I describes paralell, what happens, for example now outside...
... there will be more happening out there, I just stopped to let you all act.

I think Linolil's idea might be worth trying. You could say like "OOC: describe your character's actions for the next x minutes/hours/whathaveyou".... Just an idea...
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"one more thing I'd like to see in this game: Fighting encounters that do not end with one side being totally dead." check
This message was last edited by the GM at 10:39, Fri 31 July 2009.

That I'm so glad of... I really am. In this fight I found for the first time the actual need for things like defensive stance. It is almost always a total waste of time if the objective is to kill all the enemies. Only other thing I have used it for was when being the tank of the group, but that is not so RPish.

Once more, thanks for making that true.

I'm looking forward to carry out the other wishes as well *evil grin, then the genie flies back to his lamp*

Again you did it! The dream section is truly awesome! Sorry that I might not be able to give anything as great back to those posts, but wanted to praise the thread and your work once again sir!

Thank you :) Really trying hard.

So... about my dream. What's next?

You can act in your dream as I wrote in OOC for you...

In reply to GM (msg #58):

And I responded... what next?

In reply to Cosmina Petrescu (msg #59):

Awww! So that was an in dream act :D Sorry I thought that you acted in the reality. Well... confusion of abstraction.

It's time for a short public opinion research.

Since everyone is playing in the game for a while now, I would like to hear, what do you like/hate and what do you wish to see/expect in the adventure!

Mostly I am happy about things. I think we're a bit lost for directions right now, but that could easily change.

There are so many players that the game progress is sometimes a bit slow, but I do not mind. It is easier to play when in hurry or motivation is low, if the pace is relaxed... I remember the times when a couple of hours absence meant I had to read multipel pages of stuff.

Game is good, hoping to evolve in relations with other characters. Especially ties to Manfred, Tyre and Wanda seem to be very light.

In reply to Thorolf Ragnarssen (msg #63):

Well maybe bit saddening news, I hoped himself would tell you guys, but it seems that Manfred will be out of the game :'(

But do not worry, do not mourn I already have a new character set up to introduce to you :)
This message was last edited by the GM at 11:08, Thu 05 Nov 2009.

That is sad news... especially the player was one of the senior members... Oh, what quality... anyway, I'll waiting eagerly to intimid.... I mean meet the new char =D

In reply to Thorolf Ragnarssen (msg #65):

Well intimacy would be in proper order I suppose. There is no problem with red haired, freckled girls ;) Even if they are VERY short... xD

Still waiting for the others' opininons.

Well, things have changed already :-/

Honestly I'd like to get out of sylvania and do more travel. See new, more exciting parts of the Old World and barely survive them. Maybe due some urban adventure in a large city.

And less unkillable bad guys with convenient magical character shields.

I agree Wanda is a city girl.  She has been out of civilization for too long.  She even has a pretty dress for when she gets there.

On the unkillable baddies thing, is the spell he is using available for Wanda to learn?  Because it looks pretty cool.

City adventures are fun. Especially in the Warhammer universe. Nothing like a chaos infiltrated city government full of cutists!

I agree that some time in a city could be fun, maybe we could head back after wasting Gustav?

Oh my, Thorolf would be soooooo out of place in a city! What would be a better reason to take him there *evil grin*.... besides that is what Cosmina's character wants...

In reply to Thorolf Ragnarssen (msg #73):

Actually I could so easily see Thorolf fitting in as a bar room bouncer. He gets to hurt stupid people, drink heavily, and not only get paid for it, but maybe even be given room and board! :D

Actually when you say it like that, Thorolf could fit in there. Not sure if that would be a permanent solution for a brave Norscan warrior though =D. At least most customers in a regular inn or tavern do not cause fear, so no need toworry about that

Perhaps we can go south, to the Moot. Halflings make good leather armour - if you ask politely and of course haggle.

 Hmm, not sure how popular Taal & Rhya are inside a major city, so while he could put up with a short visit he wouldnt want to stay overlong in one.
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An ACT in a ghost haunted inn scheduled.

Aowh. That's nasty, GM! Plus, kind of we already did that in this Scene: skeletons, not ghosts, but still.

Aww, I have to come up with something more original :)

Please not ghosts.  Only a few of us can deal with etherals.  We need an enemy that most of us can effect.

Well all the party could deal with Kurt, not always the combat is the best solution...

Yes
The death sits on it in vain,
It's driven by a new life's wait.
Embraced by the mass of souls,
Drives, binds and they just calls,
Massacres just aids, wheels rolls.

But we don't have a newborn at hand, plus getting even close with a baby feels utterly wrong.

Fighting, well, the poem warns against...

Hey, you should post these to the Illustration topic! :) By the way great weapons!!!

Sure. Thanks by the way.
I'm currently resizing them on photobucket as I didnt realise how big they would be!
More to come.......

 What catalog were these out of?. Most of them almost look usable. )

Max would be carrying the first rapier. Its missing a family crest at the bottom of the hilt though.

Filed off, no doubt.

In reply to Leo Kastleman (msg #89):

Someday people might know ;)

They're from many different ones. I just typed in "ornate sword", or "ornate rapier" into google images and followed the links on the pics I liked most for that character.
Next up:- Armour.

I removed the pics to the adventure illustration thread, please continue there! Nice work!

Interesting pictures, but a two-handed blade for Linolil... :-)

All lengths and 'makes' are subject to artistic licence.
Imagine it as an extra long hilt.

-Take particular note of the resemblance of the symbol at its end....High elfish?

Thank god that fight is over. I hate huge battles like that. It reminds me how useless Cosmina is in a fight.

Reading other people's suggestions for where they would like the story to progress, and I know I'm new so this is very wishful thinking and presumptuous.

Id like the group to move through the legendary Black Fire Pass.
-A pilgrimage for Klaus at the Temple of Sigmar.
-Bugman's Brewery for everyone else!
Once out of the pass, Id hope we could travel south to the dwarf fortress of Barak Varr.
-Merchants trading from all over the world
-Dwarf smiths
-Dwarf hospitality!!!
-Enormous city to explore
-Made out of a cave system, e.g. possibility of goblin/skaven incursion
-Travel further south and there are the tombs of Khemri to loot
-Dragon Isles and the feral, savage lizardmen not to far from Khemri
-Travel to anywhere in the world from the port
-DWARF HOSPITALITY!!
-The chance of meeting a real-life King, Byrrnoth Grundadrakk

That's my 2c anyway: Barak Varr.

I can not promise all of these but I can tell in a whisper, I had the same ideas just as presented in the points above, but maybe not exactly in that form what Leo would expect.

I'd like to head into the large and "safe" (snicker) cities of the central empire where there is plenty of social situations where a social BEAST like Cosmina could do well.

I would like something in either Mordheim, Altdorf or maybe Middenheim. Intrigue, backstabbing and lots of political tension. M does have some social skills :)

I'll agree with those options except for Mordheim. Its nothing more than a warpstone tainted ruin these days.

Please no going underground at one place and surfacing 300 miles further, as that would mean loosing Bella.

Staying in the Empire for awhile sounds good to Ivan.
Better his Reikspiel and whatnot :)

Id prefer to keep Kriegs too.

Upon further research Talabheim seems a better option.
A strong Taal worshiping presence to allay your fears Tyre
Plenty of fields for Kreigs and the nag  to play in
And more than enough RP opportunity for the GM
Its not halfling friendly though

We could keep them in any city.

There are these things called "stables". You keep horses in them.

To me it's not so important where we go so much as what we're doing. I'd like to see some 'normal' combats where we:

1: Face living, sentient opponents, capable of emotions. So far almost everything we kill is so monstrous or evil that the moral ambiguity is practically non-existent.

2: Face smaller groups of enemies, rather than great hordes, every once awhile. So the battles actually can be won by just killing everything.

In reply to Leo Kastleman (msg #104):

While they are certainly more popular in Talabecland, Taal & Rhya are worshipped throughout the entire Empire (it's actually rather unusual for anyone outside of the clergy to 'pick' a god they worship above all others), people living in the city just don't need them as much as those living in rural areas.
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In reply to Klaus Schultz (msg #106):

A chaos cult then?

As I see, not I'm the one who should write the next adventure :)

Chaos cults in Nuln.
IVAN.
WITH A BLUNDERBUSS?
ON HORSEBACK?

The word 'Chaos' would be gone within the week :)

Yes! Ivan needs more chance to speak in broken language and act like pussy whipped girly-man!

I can work with everything. Though Thorolf would be quite out of his league in cities and largely dependant on Cosmina. And people would hate him, being a barbarian and all. But it is not a problem, it is more of a story opportunity.

Cosmina does the talking, Thorolf does the hitting.

They cover each others weaknesses rather well, don't they?

Oddly enough, Cosmina, that seems to be the point of forming a group (aka adventuring party)

:-)

Surely that would be more CHANCES to speak BROKEN REIKSPIEL?
:)
This message was last edited by the player at 21:29, Tue 02 Feb 2010.

Can people please stop assuming Ivan is just standing there scratching his arse, just because I cannot match the incredible posting rate of y'all.

He'll get round to it, just needs to wait for me to log on!

Meh, I'm typo-prone...

and you forgot the and act like pussy whipped girly-man!.

Its critical for the character.

If you throw an 'a' in there, Ivan'll see what he can do ;)

I was speaking in Ivan.

He's all out of "A"s.

First of all, I love the adventure.

But sometimes it feels like I can read the script
"Then so-and-so happens"

It doesn't seem to matter what the character does in some cases.

It might very well be my perception of reality, but still the adage "Don't say no, determine difficulty" comes to mind.

Just trying to improve our experience - I hope my attendance shows I really like this game.

In reply to Linolil Annamar (msg #119):

I to would like a chance to get off the rails.