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There are no lawful deities?

Correct.  Elhona is the closest to Lawful.

Party gear looks... heavy.

Dont suppose a Pack mule or some such might be among the party starting possessions?

I'm seriously tight for gold, but given that we have about 100# of party gear to lug around with 20# or more of personal gear and were going to be seriously encumbered.

That's 45# of gear with out buying anything!

Okay i really didnt like that 100#'s of party gear encumbrance to lug around on top of personal gear.  Little dainty sorc apprentices like me were not born to be beast of burdens.  Spolied little twerp that i am, i bought a beast of burden.

8gp for the Mule
5gp for the Pack saddles

I'm going to throw the party gear down on the Mule unless someone really wants to lug the tents, iron pots, and rope around.

Low fuss animal that will hopefully be happy grazing on grass given the state of my poverty now (Gave up my spell book for this).  Not too proud to ask for charitable donations to help with the cost of the pack animal (so i can maybe consider buying some padded or leather armor)  3gp a player would let me get my leather armor.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:34, Mon 22 June 2009.

I was thinking that Holly and Snow would simply sweet talk Mord into carrying it all for us!!  After all, he is such a strapping example of all that is great about the fine men of the tribe...  {Flutters eyelids at him}


Will happily give up 3GP, as that way Moonlight won't be used as a pack animal!
This message was last edited by the player at 14:56, Mon 22 June 2009.

yea~!

Do we have any other languages other than common?  Like is there a Triplefang local dialect?

Sure. You can call it Human, or Clan, or Triplefang if you'd like.  All the humans, and some of the demihumans on the continent speak it.  It's your native language.  They speak something else in the Empire.  Lets call it Latin.  Empire traders have learned your language.

Reason was asking because I think by default Humans get Common + 1 language.

So dont know if 'Triplefang' is common and 'Empire/Latin' is another

or

is Empire/Latin the common, and we all speak 'Triplefang' on this continent?

My thoughts is upon encountering a group of human/demihumans who spoke common, would we be able to converse in triplefang without them understanding...




So...

Would out 2 be triplefang, spoken by everyone in our region, and then common(latin/empire) would be our second?

Or should we choose a different one?  or does the GM only want us to have the one?
This message was last edited by the player at 17:47, Wed 24 June 2009.

"Common" used to be an amalgamation of words and hand gestures that are used to put ideas across.  Bit like Pigeon English.

In game terms it usually means that when speaking it, your sentences are short and simple, and limited.

For example, in Elven, you might say, "The golden globe that rises above us, a blessing from the gods, gives us the warmth and energy to live here and we cherish it for the love it brings into our life!"

In Common, where neither the elf or goblin speak the same language, the elf might simplify it in common to, "Sun brings life.  Life Good for all."

The other view is that Common is Human, and that everyone knows it.


I like the pigeon english way, but DM will decide as either Triplefang=human=common, or split...

Unless you have an INT bonus, or spend 2 extra skill points, you just get Human.  You can have common too.  I'm not sure if anyone you run into will know it, so don't be too disappointed.

Any chance of map or will we not really need one, I presume having Glummy track?

We've got... a map of sorts.. need frame of reference for it.

I'm going to be using some colors to make things stand out...  Just FYI.


Standard black text will be my narrative for Glumr.  Describing his feelings, thoughts, actions, etc.

"I will speak as my character with cursive brown as I'm fond of Brown."

Orange will be out of game remarks, such as questions/comments to the GM about how much backfill our characters have... such as the knowledge of the distance (or aproximate days walk) to goldenpoint.

:D  Exciting for my first RPOL adventure.. and honestly my first RP adventure in well over a decade.

I'm presuming we've had a day of travel then.  We've gone through a (1) Day or rations and to adjust equipment as appropiate.  We're currently 'north' one days travel, and settling for the night.  The question is do we need a watch.

Personally i dont think we do.  We're in triplefang territory and the clan were pursuing is likely not near us.  I'm estimating another half day of travel north to even have a chance of seeing their trail, possibly a full day.  If we dont see anything the next day we'll have to consider adjustments.

At this point a full nights rest so we can keep an aggressive alert pace the next day is more useful than a unlikely useful night watch.

*IF* we do have night watches, i think Snow and Holly should be on the first/last shifts.  They're spell casters and will need as much uninterupted rest to recover spells is my thought.

I assume there is a moon, as otherwise 'Moonlight' might need a name change!

What light will be cast by it during the night?  It might effect when Holly chooses her watch.  She'd prefer the darker part of the night to keep watch.

Hey... Was out of town this weekend with no connectivity...  Back in full swing.

--

We are close to home, but we are close to the road as well.  A watch might not be a bad idea as you never know who could be coming down the trade route.

I'm willing to take any watch... Middle is probably ideal so spell casters get more uninterrupted sleeps.

(Now to catch up in game)

In that case perhaps we should havea Watch order of:
1st - Holly
2nd - Glumr
3rd - Mord and Snow

Just a FYI Glumr,

It's my impression that we grew up together and that we're actually pretty friendly/close to one another, the way a clan/family might get.  I believe were all cousins of one sort or another?

Yeah...

The way I think of it would be like distant family... you know... everyone is all related, but not in the daily lives of each other.

So I would say we know of each other and may have met, but we dont know much about each other.

No reason not to be friendly, but I'd play it as we're more like 2nd or 3rd cousins.  Related by blood, but not really part of each others direct family units.  That way we are discovering things about each others characters in game and arent missing the history of a close connection.

That make sense?  Like my mother and your mother might be cousin.  I feel like we just know about each other a bit and have not really spent time together.  Makes the character history match our knowledge.  I.E.  If we were close, there'd be all this history with stuff we would know about each other.  Since we dont have that, I'd say we're not that close.  Simply due to size of the clan.

Volge, from what I understand, is our clan home and big enough to have a market place.  So it's much bigger than what I think of when I say family in real life.

You can be a distant cousin if you like, I think Holly and Snow might be first cousins though, i sense that they have a sort of familiarity with each other in their game play already.

Let me know if this is no good for you Holly and we can adjust if you dont concur.

This is always a fun question for a DM to ask.

How do you know when your 3 hour (or 2 hour) watch shift is over?

Moon across the sky, or if cloudy whenever a fire burns out.  Fires are fairly constant burners in normal conditions, and we'll all have knowledge of that, especially Glumr and perhaps Holly as lone travellers.

If you grow up without watches and clocks, you quickly learn to estimate time.  Body clock has savedme many times from not waking up for work when I forget to set alarm.

Slowly count to 1200?

Like Holly said... I would expect in an age without time pieces, other ways of telling time would be common practice.  Since every appliance you purchase has a clock in it, we've lost that ability in todays age.

So GM... Do you need us to explain how we are actually doing that?  Or do we just assume it is a standard ability or a persons living in that age...  (Give or take a few minutes because it's not exact, but you get the gist)

http://www.wikihow.com/Tell-Time-Without-a-Clock

Strangely, I visited a very similar page about telling time by the stars earlier today.

Any combination of stars and fire burn will work, and yes we can abstract it.  Snow will have the toughest time estimating this, but she has last watch so it all works out fine.

One other note:  This is an usual party in that you can all sleep in your armor without fatiguing.  Nearly every other party I've been around has to worry about don hastily rules or fighting without most of their armor at night.

That sounds ominous!!!

Gee.

When you have no armor, it's really easy Mr. DM.

We were told to 'travel light' so i figured the party stuff and the mule wasnt necessary.

You're still not using Moonlight to carry anything!!!!!!!!!  :)

Since some of the players are new to D&D 3.5 I'd like to post some quick basics about a combat round.

Combat rounds are 6 seconds long.  During this time you will typically receive:

one

Move Equivalent Action - All of the Triplefang currently have a move of 30 feet.  This means you can move 6 boxes on the map.  It costs 1.5 times as much to move diagonally, so you could move 3 boxes north and 2 boxes northwest as your 30 foot move.  A move equivalent action may also be used to reload a crossbow (what are crossbows?) , stand up, open a door, or ready or sheath a weapon.

and one

Standard Action - Making an attack, drinking a potion, or casting a spell are typical Standard Actions.  You can forego your standard action to take another move equivalent action, but not vice-versa.

and a

Free Action - Drop a weapon, fall to the ground, or shout a warning to a friend would all be free actions.
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:52, Sun 19 July 2009.

Confirmation...

The mist provides cover to the Beast tamers too?  If so how much protection?

Obscuring Mist:
A misty vapor arises around you. It is stationary once created. The vapor obscures all sight, including darkvision, beyond 5 feet. A creature 5 feet away has concealment (attacks have a 20% miss chance). Creatures farther away have total concealment (50% miss chance, and the attacker cannot use sight to locate the target).

Anything behind it is totally hidden, unless they have some other way of sensing you through it.  Mord on the edge has concealment, I assume, but can be seen, and can see out.

Basically means if everyone stays in position we stop a few slingshots coming our way, and might mean man on wagon gets off... to be entangled.

Flaw is that it forms around caster, so thats why Holly moved forward to edge of Entangle spell, to try not to leave Mord in total blindness...

Yep, there's a difference between cover (adds AC) and concealment (miss chance after a normal hit).  A little complicated, huh?  It works both ways.  You can't see them, they can't see you.  It's a great spell for covering your getaways.

ouch.

If you can fumble a spell, Snow just did it.

At least i was aiming at Holbert and not Krone, where Mord might have been hit.

If I cast CMW on Glumr, can he pick up his weapons again and rejoin the battle?  Or is that limited to stop cheating, as per the rule about magical healing after the battle has been decided?

Very good question.  The tradition of Faol Batte was created mainly by fighter types.  It pretty much neglects magic.  You can heal Glumr, but he can't rejoin the fight.  Glumr will be fine.  The healing can wait until the outcome is decided.

OK.  So we can use magic snowballs to hurt people, but can't bring people back into the 'game'.  Can work with that.

I object, i havent hurt anyone with a snowball, at least not yet.

OH RIGHT!  And Holly hasn't had any thrown at her whilst she was growing up!  Heh, heh, heh.  Holly has great respect for them, but knows Snow needs to concentrate!!  :P

Glumr is pissed that he has not had a shot fire off well and that he was takin out in their first round. :(  Not the type of stuff bards sing about at all.

Luckily the eye only plays music.  No lyrics.

It could sing...  'the tale of a mighty fail'...

four adventurers set out one day,
to find the idol which was stole away.
The found the quarry on low ground,
but in the battle Glumr was knocked down.
He couldn't shoot, he couldn't fight,
he just fell down with all his might.
the rock hit him in the head,
makes him mad, but at least he aint dead.

:)

lol

gah~ it's zander's lost kin.

Tell me, Glumr, do you want to be entombed in a rock golem so that you might rock forever?

Glumr,

Just a FYI...

Snow's going to come racing back to you next round when youre 'officially' out to steal your bow to use btw...

I'm presuming this is okay with you?

He was the first person I showed the picture of my eternal metal guitar golem.  :)

Gah~ He's your mini-me!

Holly will be holding classes in using slingshots after we have dealt with the Beastamers.  I've already signed up Snow and Glumr...

I learn something new about the 3.5 rules every day.  Here are some of my discoveries:

* Sling attacks convey both STR bonuses and penalties to damage.

* Bows convey STR penalties to damage, but not bonuses unless they are sufficiently "Mighty"



Neither of these rules will be enforced this fight, but they will kick in next battle.

* I have not found any ruling on whether ranged touch attacks made into melee are at -4.  So for lack of a rule I'll assume no penalty for now.

From the SRD:

Cover
To determine whether your target has cover from your ranged attack, choose a corner of your square. If any line from this corner to any corner of the target’s square passes through a square or border that blocks line of effect or provides cover, or through a square occupied by a creature, the target has cover (+4 to AC).
Therefore, Snow doesn't take -4 to hit, but the guy on the wagon gets +4AC bonus.  Same difference really.

Ranged Touch Attacks tend to be Rays, although not exclusively.

If it is a ray, it will effect everyone in combat in the area of effect.
If not a ray, then you have to consider if an object is being thrown...

Shooting or Throwing into a Melee
If you shoot or throw a ranged weapon at a target engaged in melee with a friendly character, you take a -4 penalty on your attack roll. Two characters are engaged in melee if they are enemies of each other and either threatens the other. (An unconscious or otherwise immobilized character is not considered engaged unless he is actually being attacked.)

If your target (or the part of your target you’re aiming at, if it’s a big target) is at least 10 feet away from the nearest friendly character, you can avoid the -4 penalty, even if the creature you’re aiming at is engaged in melee with a friendly character.

I've always played it that if you have to roll against AC, and its not a ray/area of effect type of attack, then the -4 penalty applies.

But then the DM is GOD, so they set the rules...

In reply to Holly (msg #51):

This in-game d20 roller is cursed....

I'm assuming you are something like:
+3 Str, +1 Wpn Focus, +1 Eye Bonus, +1 Basic. For your stated 1d20+6 attack.

This turn you also get +2 for Holly flanking the enemy, so you actually hit AC12, which might be enough!

If not, Holly intends to use her Sickle to trip up the nasty man next turn, assuming I roll good enough!

Am back.. was sick past two days so havent been on the PC.

Close.  His +6  is +1BAB, +3 STR, +1 eye's song, +1 high ground.  And yes, he will get +2 for flanking, assuming he doesn't mind taking a 5 foot step to X16.

Holly would not have gotten an attack, though...  She moved and readied.  That's two move equivalent actions.  If you have a +1 BAB or higher you can move and ready in one action.  However, this is probably good news, because rolling a 1 means you would've had a critical failure threat.

Ah, I see I'd forgotten the Higher Ground.  Was close though.

As to Flanking, I moved to V14, especially to get the flanking bonus.  Not quite far enough!  Darn it.

Moved Holly there also to stop her being target of a slingshot, and also to heal the enemy if Mord goes a little too far.

I'd thought the drawing of a wpn was free, but forgot Holly doesn't have Qucik Draw, which is useful Feat.  Or as you say, she doesn't have BAB+1.  Glad I've used up my "1" though.  Tripping Mr K will be an interesting attempt at least.

Bows and strength, i believe that's for Comp Long and Short bows, but not for normal Long and Short Bows...

I belive strength damage is translated, but no to hit for slings...

I have to double check to confirm, but that's my off the cuff opinion.

In reply to Snow (msg #57):

Page 8 of Players handbook
You apply your strength modifiers to:
- Melee attack rolls
- Damage rolls when using a melee weapon or a thrown weapon (including a sling).  (Exceptions: Off-hand attacks receive only one-half the characters Strength bonus while two handed attacks receive one and a half times the Strength bonus. A Strength penalty but not a bonus applies to attacks made with a bow that is not a composite bow.)


You get your dex bonus for the attack rolls on ranged stuff.

okay so strength penalties apply for damage... (not to hit)

strength bonus, when applicable for range, applis to damage (not to hit)

Dex is still used for to hit rolls.

Now... wheres my light crossbow?
This message was last edited by the player at 14:41, Sat 25 July 2009.

In reply to Snow (msg #59):

Its all mechanical.  For anyone strong enough to load it, a crossbow does the same damage.

exactly!

The Triplefang have not developed crossbows.  Perhaps someone else has.

Holly has declared her movement and Mord has rolled his attack.  We're just waiting on Snow's post now.  She's holding Glumr's bow.  Will she ready it and fire at someone?

Good round for our heroes.  :)

BTW, A greatclub does 1d10 not 1d8.  Use the DMG (M) column.  We'll stick with the rolled damage this time.
This message was last edited by the GM at 02:27, Mon 27 July 2009.

We won, fair and square, theres no point in making them any more of an enemy than they already are.  There re still six of them and four of us, and if it turns ugly, the element of surprise, the high ground, and most of holly's spells wont be around the second for a rematch.

Winners should be grascious and not antaganize the losers into an instant rematch that they know the odds are against them for.  Take what's not theres, and perhaps a token to remember the victory from, that's fair, no need to insult them any more than we have to.  Snow really wont want to show disagreement infront of the tamers, but she will if it'll defuse a possible rematch showdown.

That being said, should we let them think we used goblin magic and disrespect us.  I was just making it clear that they were bested by triplefang and the power of Obad-Hai.  I would not provoke them any further.

I totally misread the above as

Animal politics sometimes were more challenging than human politics.  She remembered one of her teachers once telling her,  "Now, now, fine fellow.  I'm just going to check you out."

I was confused.  Her teacher said what?!?  That doesn't make any sense.  Oh!  Wait, I see now.   :)

Fritzholm...

From our foal battle, do we heal at normal or non-lethal rates?

Yes, everyone regains a hit point for sleeping overnight.

In reply to Fritzholm (msg #68):

If I got a heal cast on me, what was the roll and how damage am I still down?  If its still 5 or more, I will use my potion.  If its 4 or less, I will ride it out.

Think you should save it.  If we get into a combat situation you can always woof it down then.  If we dont, holly can heal you before we bed down for the night.

were on the way back to the temple and triple fang territory it should be safer, i dont think were really expecting combat are we?

Just my two cents on the topic.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:05, Fri 31 July 2009.

Holly cast two Cure Minor Wounds (one point each) on Mord and he rested one night so I was wrong.  He should've been at 6 points of injury.  That's still more than 5 so Mord drinks his potion and is thusly fully healed.

There's been some suggestion of walking more than 8 hours per day.  This is possible.  It is called a forced march.  For every hour beyond 8 you travel you all must make a CON check at DC 10 + 2 per extra hour.  A failed roll will cause 1D6 non-lethal damage.  Any character who takes one or more points of damage this way gains the "fatigued" status.  There are some other nasty repercussions of not getting enough rest.  Certain spell casters do not regain their spells without sufficient rest.  You can't do any natural healing either.  Furthermore, forced marches are usually just that - forced.  There is typically some strong threat motivating this uncpleasant activity.  It tends to lower morale and overall health of those who engage in it.  I'd recommend against it.

Was just a wonder.

Maybe Im losing track, but we (the party) are all from Volge as is our elder Elana, not Pliffa.  We have no reason to know this guys.  Snow, maybe you are from Pliffa in your description or something, but I looked back and didnt see anything to indicate that

When I read her first post I thought it was an attempt to claim to have been from Pliffa also, but now I think it was just a mixup.  If Snow wants to take it back and have said you're from Volge, that's fine.  I'll go back and fix Rolf's reply too.  To the players these are all just nonsense words easily confused, but the characters certainly know where they're from.

My bad, she wasnt claiming to be anything she's not, player mix up is the issue here, sorry.

I suppose i shouldnt post late at night (ick)

I would have made a bluff roll or something if i was trying to lie through something.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:49, Mon 03 Aug 2009.

gah~ you'd  trade the ring for a cloak?

Snow will trade you the ring for a cloak, she makes them!

A tarnished sliver ring that doesnt fit?  Gladly... I would love a perfect cloak to remember our first battle over the ring that doesnt fit me.

Hind sight should have just took a ring that fits over the silver ring.

It's worth 20 gold coin, I can get 12.  I'd rather have an 'exploreres outfit' for my travels than just my leathers.  Worth more to me than a ring that didnt fit.

Likewise, I'd keep the wine.  It might be an item of opportunity down the road... least we can hunt and then use it in a reduction glaze for the meat.

(Glumr's mother taught him to cook.  It was a natural next step after teaching him about wild plants and herbs.)

As for trade....   A cloak yes, but I'd like other gear as well.  And besides, you'd have to spend coin on materials and take the time to craft the cloak.  Would be fine if we were just returning to Volge, but we're on the road to the unknown.  Glumr wants to be looking good and ready.  Besides.. He needs pockets.  It's tough not having pockets.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:34, Fri 07 Aug 2009.

Snow is a very good cook (+6 to cooking) and has made the investment to picking up a cooking kit to prepare food with out a penalty, if you can top that i'll yield the position of party cook to you.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:10, Fri 07 Aug 2009.

you do realize that you start with 'one' outfit for free and that it can be an explorer's outfit?

(that's how snow has hers)

That will be 2 gold pieces for rules consultation.  (you still say gold if you were going to pay for it in town :P )
This message was last edited by the player at 15:19, Fri 07 Aug 2009.

Okay.. dont have +6, but I do have good knowledge of the wilds that can produce some stuff for the table.

Cooking vs finding? ;)

I thought I just had leathers. :/  Will let GM make the call.

The way I was looking at it... we had like 30GP (If I remmeber right).

Well that would not really permit me to be an archer with needed equipment, which I would have based on my background.  So in lieu of coin to spend, I got a bow, arrows, and leathers.

Since mom was over protective, I never had proper adventuring clothes.  They gave me leathers so I didnt get killed out in the wilds gathering herbs and what not, more than giving it to me to go into battle with.

I've finally had some worth of my own which I will gladly trade for some more proper attire for adventuring.

So that's my story.

(laughs)

Glumr's a mama's boy, i suppose that explains alot ^_^

:D  Yeah...

Honestly.. I think all of our characters are pretty great.  They play off each other well.  I can see a lot of fun we can have with their different personalities.

Snow is actually the other way around, she's a really good cook, so that helps her out in the field to figure out whats edible and whats not.

just be weary of mushrooms... Poison ones still taste great when you cook em. ;)

Do you think that the clan name of Triplefang was derived due to the 3 settlements of the clan lands?

Silvergate, Volge, and Goldenpoint?

Maybe originally the Fang or Beastfang clan that diversified and spread out into 3 distinct settlements and then united under the clan name of Triplefang?

Holly is back, and with full access again.  So hopefully she can again participate a little more than being in the background...

Holly took the Eye away from Vidar and Rolf, as they were not looking happy.  That she also asked questions is true, but she answer any queries from the others with a simple "It didn't say much, and gave nothing new away."

Snow will know Holly is hiding something, but Mord and Glumr probably don't.

As of yet Holly and Eye haven't had the discussions in PM yet, but will kick that off today with luck.

Hi friends... I'm actually on the road to Chicago (to see Phish).  Just found out my Grandmother passed away, so I will be a bit more scares than usual this week.

Just FYI.

Snow might know something but is discrte enough not to call you on it, unless she thinks theres an immediate danger to the clan cause youre with holding info.

Glumr thinks the potions from the temple are givin as a gift for the duties about to be done.  He wasnt thinking they would be returned if they were unused.  But that is something he and snow can discuss if that situation ever rises.

(Ehlonna knows this bear could be the end of us all)

Along those lines, I'm a ranger (and we have a druid).  :P  We could have just shooed a hungry bear off.  ...but with my recent luck I'd probably be malled anyway. :(

Hind sight, since I've got some rope, maybe we should be hanging the rations at night.

Will post for snow after i see which goblins are alive, and which are lit up and easy to see.

Does a 'small' long spear, have the same 'reach' as a medium one?

I always played it as the shaft was simply lighter for the little guys to carry and with the same reach.

I can't find anything about it in the rules.  I'll consult my human 3.5 encyclopedia, but I'm inclined to just rule however it helps the PCs.

In reply to Fritzholm (msg #95):

Yeah... I said it ;)

In reply to Mord (msg #96):

Hahahaha!!  I cant argue with that.  The dice have not been kind when I really need it.

My source says small sized longspears still have a 10 foot reach.


I will be gone all weekend, so I won't be able to post again until Sunday night or Monday.  This will probably be a common weekend situation for me.

I dont think we should be making decisions based off if it makes more work for the GM.    Just sayin'.

If the GM doesnt want the extra work, then he will not let the paths be split long.


Likewise I would be more apt to send someone in to scout the area before taking the party in, but that's just how I would go.  In this case, the hell of it could tell us if arkus is alive, how many we're up against, how the terrain is positioned, if there are multiple entrances, and on and on...

Boils down to the basic: Know thy enemy
This message was last edited by the player at 14:39, Mon 05 Oct 2009.

In reply to Glumr (msg #99):

To me its got nothing to do with GM processing.  In Mord's opinion, your chances of getting any of that information back to us alive is slim and hurts our numbers for when we do poke around.

Understood... But it did help with the Goblins.... But will leave such heroics until we get a level advance or two and my character can actually be on his own and have a chance at surviving (or at least successfully hiding)

If were going with Glumr's suggestion, i suggest giving Holly and Snow the long spears.  the weapons have reach and will allow us to fight from behind Mord, they'll have to go through mord to get us, and if they're willing to do that, Mord's free to have a free whack of opportunity.

Need to decide this now so i can work out what Snow's carrying.

That sounds tactically, um... sound.

I suggest that Rolf might be better at melee than Glumr.  You might consider swapping those too.

Also
You bringing only 3 days of food but 6 days of oil?  Those canisters are pretty heavy.

We probably don't need that many canisters for the torches/lanterns -- based on what you are describing 3 will be sufficient.  We can leave the other 3 in the cart.

I don't think it will necessarily help to have Rolf up front.  We dont know which way we will be approached once we start making our way into the cave.  Even 1 branch off or a returning patrol would allow a group to come up behind us, so 1 decent melee and 1 decent archer at each end is good coverage of our options with casters in the middle.  Depending on how wide it stays, range weapons may be largely unusable anyway.  I hope it stays wide enough to keep that option open.

That is something I will discuss with our group as we head in -- be mindful of the wider spots in the cavern that we pass.  If we run into trouble at a narrow point, we should be ready to retreat to those wider spaces before engaging.

Agreed..  I suggested my being up front to track and notice stuff as sometimes I'm keen on that.

Also really hope that we dont need to do any rappelling.  We might have to get creative.  I've got two 30' light ropes.

We left a 50' hemp rope on the cart.

We left 2 100' ropes back home in Volge.

Do we really need three days rations?

One would hope we would be in and out fairly quickly in there?  Perhaps all we need is a day or two rations?  We can always turn around mid day and start out to restock on food?  I'd rather not spend more than a day in there anyhow.

I think we over bought on the flamable oil i think someone's a pyromaniac for all the oil we've bought...

Snow is not a fan of heavy manual labor so dont expect her to carry any oil.

Feel free to take less than 3 days of food (or more).  Trail rations weigh one pound per day.  Just tell me how much you're bringing.

About those light ropes...  They are meant to support a goblin and all his gear.  This means they will be chancy with a human if used for climbing.  They're still great for other uses, and they only weigh 3 pounds each.
This message was last edited by the GM at 05:31, Tue 20 Oct 2009.

I was just saying that those were the reasons I put myself up front and not saying that is why I should be up front.   most heavily armored/highest hit points should be bookends.

Oil is useful... The parts we dont take/use on this is good to have anyway.  And whether or not Snow likes manual labor, everyone pulls their own here. But agreed, hopefully we will not be in there that long.

That being said... We can get by a lot longer with no food underground than we can with no oil.  Visibility is 0 without oil.  I expect this is a tunnel network and not a cave.

Correction:  I do have the 50' rope on my pack.

I didnt realize the light ropes were that light.  So that's good to know.

I fine with 3 days rations and a container of oil in my pack.

Snow will be taking (1) Long Spear and (6) Javelins from the Goblin weapons on the cart and leaving her quarter staff.

(She will take the second Long Spear if Holly doesnt want it, and leave one Javelin behind if that happens.)
This message was last edited by the player at 12:59, Tue 20 Oct 2009.

Question ~

What happen to the lantern and candle.  Did the fire wink out or was magic involved?

It happened suddenly with no flickering.  You didn't hear any verbal components of a spell.

Hmmm... Didnt the signs say something like "Beware the dark?"  Think this could be the dark they meant?

Can Snow see what's happening now that Holly's cast her light spell?

Did Mord throw the thing far enough away from him, so that i can attack it with out fear of hitting Mord?

Yes.  Once Holly's light spell was cast the area went from total darkness to shadowy illumination.  Everyone could then see into and through the shadowy area.

Mord threw it off him, but it was still engaged in melee.  Not for long.  One whack from the greatclub did it in.

I'm pretty sure this is exactly what they meant.

Just beware more than one! or two for that matter!

And Glumr, you'll miss the state of angst Holly has for you for the moment!  Praising Mord, when he wouldn't have been any good without the magical light to guide him!

Great playing an adulescent!  They get away with hissy fits and plans of revenge!  Sure she'll forget it soon enough though...
This message was last edited by the player at 23:00, Thu 05 Nov 2009.

Glumr has nothing less than grand appreciation of Holly, even if he forgets to mention it from time to time.  :P

For now, I am assuming that Mord and Snow are both Neutral Good.  Any objections?

I think that's a fair assessment

In reply to Fritzholm (msg #120)

Yes, reasonable.

I think were all cousins... not siblings Holly.

But I have always called Snow a Sister, even though there is no blood link...

oki just being sure ^.^

21:54, Today: Snow rolled 9 using 1d20+1. initiative.

21:54, Today: Snow rolled 7 using 1d20+1. Save vs Stink.

Looks like the ladies are having a little trouble with the smell of these Trogs.  Perhaps we were brought up properly after all!

The fortitude save i think is a little harsh.

We're forty feet from the trogs and the door that just opened.

There must be a breeze or something to carry the stench that far that quickly, since the door just opened?

It might be that the DM will only assign a penalty if and when you are actually effected.

In reply to Fritzholm (msg #129):

I can't believe they would smell much worse than Mord's armor.....lol

We're used to that smell! Like in life, you can get used to a background sound and smell.  I hardly notice my feet anymore........

Did Holly take the other Goblin Long Spear?  If not Snow has it for an extra, given their flimsy nature to break.

According to the historical record, Mord has the other spear.

Oki.

I recall him asking to test one out or what not, but i wasnt sure he actually took it to use.

Waiting for Mord and Trogs to post before going.

While we're on the topic of spears, I took some time to read up on longspears.  According to the PHB they are reach weapons and can make attacks on creatures 10 feet away.  However, they cannot be used to attack adjacent opponents.  This means they have a sort of halo of threatened areas.  An enemy moving through this halo will draw an attack of opportunity unless they are doing nothing that turn but moving, or are only taking a 5 foot step.

I dont think ranged fire gets attacks of opportunity...

That's for Fritz to sort out though.

I was meaning they get an attack against me for moving, which they would.

Move vs Step;  I get it now.

Also... You're combat turn Snow.   ;)

No.

Mord and the Trogs go ahead of me, and it'll affect what i want to do so i'm waiting to see how aggressive Mord is and what the Trogs do in response.

In reply to Snow (msg #139):

You're a turn behind... check message 371.

Fritz said "I need round 2 actions for Holly and Snow and round 3 actions for everyone else"   Holly posted and I went ahead ahead of everyone cause I'm just shooting.

Yep.  The only thing Snow has done in Round 2 is make an attack of opportunity and get stabbed.  She still has her move equivalent and standard action.  It's her turn to go.

weekend, dealing with xmas stuff will try and get something up tonight.

We killed Trog 1 and 2, and 3 and 4 are left right?

None ran for help, right?

Correct.  There were 4 trogs to start.  Trogs 1 and 2 both went down after arrow shots from Rolf followed by arrow shots shots from Glumr.

Yo... Are the rest of the Trogs dead yet?

I suspect that Trog4 is now down as well, but we'll have to wait and see if Mord has slain it with his might.

In reply to Holly (msg #146):

Holly and I opened a can 'o whuppass on #4  -- unless they are lvl 3 mobs, he should be down

So...

We're in camp for the night...   Are we all settled to rest/pray/etc and do the watch?

I.E.  Do we have any actions, or are we waiting for Fritz to turn?

Sorry for the delay.  I just needed a little time to consider the situation.

Just checking where we's at.

*laugh*

You guys are all telling Holly to ask questions that she already asked.  She's way ahead of ya.  :-)

looks like were on a worm hunt then.

So...

Which monster manual entry should I base these worms off?

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/frostWorm.htm
or
http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/purpleWorm.htm

I think the second one sounds more like what I was describing, but they're both CR12, so I'll let you guys pick.

large.

even a small baby one is large,but think of the experience.

This might be enough adventure to even make Glumr homesick.

BANZAI

I like the rules for trying to cut your way out of the gullet.

In reply to Fritzholm (msg #156):

I think she meant a worm variation of this:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/ankheg.htm

Thats what it sounded like to me

To be honest, given the size of the thing we were talking to, i'd figure anything it'd acknowledge as a threat to be simliar to it in size or at most one size catagory larger.

Should it have ran into one of those larger variants, i wouldnt think it would be around for us to talk to.

Smaller one foot centipede things could be thought of as sand worms, and fair competitors/predators to something like that.

That said, theres no way for Snow to know one way or another what the thing was talking about since she's getting the information second hand.  Holly would be the best to make a call on interpretting how tough hunting a sandworm will be.

How much longer can we make it with current supplies?

Are we able to just forage for food via survival skill?
This message was last edited by the player at 13:44, Wed 03 Feb 2010.

Snow posted on the out of game item about rations and rat meat.  I tried to move the post here but deleted it instead.  My bad.

The rations situation isn't dire yet.  You've got enough food for the day, and if things go smoothly you could get back to the farm near Gollag by lunch tomorrow (where you have more rations).  Finding food at the temple and foraging in the hills are also possible options.

My bad,  totally misread that, i thought Snow and Mord were going first, partly cause they were closest to the door and that made sense.

No worries.  It all worked out fine.

Anyone have rope to tie up the two trogs, it seems theres only one human left, i'm guessng that's the champ.  I'm trying to find out why they attacked at the moment.

I think use rope is a dex based skill, Snow is only at +1 to it too, perhaps one of the archer types who have a better dex should check the ropes?  a '9' is not that reassuring to secure prisoners at our back.

Sorry I was away all weekend... diggin into it now.

Man.. .I missed my chance with the rope.  I so have +6 on that skill. :P

This message was last edited by the player at 20:57, Mon 22 Feb 2010.

Sorry the repost was giant.. but yeah.

Why was Snow ignoring Glumr? as if she's annoyed with him.

He was just agreeing with what she had just said. :(
This message was last edited by the player at 18:11, Thu 04 Mar 2010.

Cause youre asking to leave quickly (like NOW), and she's sorta distracted cause she's busy finishing up her conversation with the Trogs.

She's also ill, and you know Snow hates to be sick and is grumpy when she is.

Ew.. I forgot about that fact. :P  I sort of misinterpreted the flow of things.. I didnt realize she was still in conversation..

And not rushing... just motivating. ;)

Do we want to take the Trog prisoner along?

He could be some sort of mass murderer or something, do we really want a Trog psychopath along if he is?

I've got no opinion on this, it would be equally great if he was another sword to wonk on the trogs with.  He seems to know Arkus by name, i'm not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing.  Everyone else calls us Sunbloods, this one called Arkus by name.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:45, Thu 04 Mar 2010.

Some people might say with have a few of them already! Heh, heh, heh. But good point.

Did he pick up on the name Arkus from your questioning, or has he heard it before from Arkus perhaps?

I asked where the 'Sunblood' was, but the prisoner mentioned Arkus by name without my prompting.  I dont know if that's a good sign or bad.

No need to over think this, do we bring him or not is the simple question.  He knows Arkus by name with out my prompting.  That's hopefully a good sign since everyone else has been calling us sunbloods.  I'm a tentative bring him a long, but only a tentative one.  Wont take much to talk me out of that position.

Lets not spend a week on this one point.  Glumr wants action action ACTION!

It's go time!

Mandelbaum! Mandelbaum! Mandelbaum!

Okay lacking any direction, i suppose were not going to let the trog out and move on?

Wait.. I totally botched the read.  I didnt realize this was an already prisoned Trog....

I'm for bringing it.

Mord is against bringing, Glumr is for.

I'm pretty luke warm, you have an opinion Holly?

We bring it.

Argh!  Some of the rules in this game are so ambiguous.  Does Inflict Light Wounds provoke an attack of opportunity?  On one hand it says casting a standard action spell does, so yes.  On the other hand it says that delivering a touch attack spell does not, so no.  I'm leaning towards saying it doesn't, but I'm going to consult my rules guru tomorrow because I want to be fair about this.

I have always ruled that because it is a spell and not an inate ability, it will indeed provoke an attack of opportunity. You can see the spell coming, so to speak.

Copying straight from SRD at http://www.d20srd.org/srd/combat/actionsInCombat.htm

"Touching an opponent with a touch spell is considered to be an armed attack and therefore does not provoke attacks of opportunity. However, the act of casting a spell does provoke an attack of opportunity."

I suppose this is a important rule call for spell casting players as much as this Trog.

I looked at two touch spells, Inflict Cure Light wounds and Shocking grasp.

They have standard cast times but they're considered touch.

The attacks are considered 'instantaneous'.  How does this work out?

I mean what good is a touch attack not provoking an AoO if the standard act of casting the spell does?

The spell execution is of course instanteous when it goes of, but do you have a few rounds grace time, where your hands/weapon are 'charged' to make an attempt?

As i cast it out of combat as a prep spell and them move in to attack so you dont draw an AoO?

I agree it's fuzzy, but probably pretty important for me and Holly to know since were both spell casters and this will obviously affect us.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:01, Fri 26 Mar 2010.

Probably because you can be in two different locations for the cast prep and the touch.

An enemy can only have an AoO if they have a way to attack you in the prep location.  For example, if you cast your prep outside a room, the victim inside doesnt know you are doing the prep and cant get an AoO, but the guard in the hallway might if he is close enough.  When you enter the room to deliver the spell, its just a touch attack and the victim gets no AoO for that.

Duration for the spell is 'instantaneous'.

To do what you say, would require it to have a duration for you to move from your prep location to use it?

Standard action to cast, move action to get into position.  You can't attack cause youre outta action, so you have to wait a round?  It's instantaneous, it's expired by next round?

I could have sworn Shocking grasp use to have a line in it that said, it lasted till it's discharged but i couldnt find it in the 3.5 rules.

OK, here's my ruling.  Like Holly pointed out, the rules state that the act of casting the touch spell will draw an AoO, but something like shocking grasp can be cast and the charge held.  It looks like trog 1 will either have to suck it up and draw an AoO or come up with a different plan like trying to rip Snow's throat out with its claws.

Snow did mention she was going to need back up soon :P

A roll of 10 should miss snow.

She has a +1 Armor from her Dex, unless being sick negates it.

Yes.  The fever reduced your DEX which in turn eliminates the DEX bonus to AC.

Did i ever finish my 'half leather' armor for the equivelant of padded armor?  It's been months, so i'm not sure if it's still in the works or completed.

If not, yes, i got hit.

Lets see...

Snow's using a two handed grip on her sword, which per our conversation negates her natural -1 Hit/Damage from Str.

Her BAB is +0

The eye is giving her a +1 Hit

She's on the altar giving her the Height advantage +1 Hit/Damage

So i believe.... +2 Hit / +1 Damage is the totals for her combat rolls.

Does she get anything for the Trog being cowed and demoralized?
This message was last edited by the player at 11:55, Mon 29 Mar 2010.

The armor still needs work.  It's back on the cart at the farm.

Your numbers are correct (+2 hit/+1 damage), but the +1 damage is from the music, not the higher ground.

The demoralized trog is shaken, which gives him a -2 on attack rolls, saving throws, skill checks, and ability checks.  No effect on AC.  Trogs' AC is mainly a factor of their heavy natural armor.

One side note:  I discovered that I messed up the rules in the lower temple battle.  When someone is pinned not only do they get a -4 to AC, but you also treat them as if their DEX were 0.  The pinned guard should've been much easier to hit.  Sorry for the mistake.

We'll use the correct pinned rules from now on.

A scimitar does 1D6 not 1D8.  Come to think of it...  I don't think Snow even has proficiency with a scimitar.  I'll let you finish out this fight using it, since I think there was some confusion between scimitars and longswords.

Re-rolled damage and did more with the D6 =D

My bad...

I thought she was familiar with scimitars...

We traded Rapiers for Longswords i believe, not scimitars.  She can use one of the Trog Longspears (which is a D8 damage instead), or we can use the mexican rule for the moment, and just have her continue with the scimitar, which is actually less damage >.<
This message was last edited by the player at 14:09, Thu 01 Apr 2010.

Not trog longspears, goblin longspears.  You have two of them and they are an odd quirk of the rules.  Since they were used by small creatures they do 1D6 instead of 1D8.  Normally a two-handed weapon they can be wielded one-handed by medium creatures.  Also strange, they maintain their 10 foot reach despite being small.  Yes folks, 10 foot reach one-handed weapons.  Such are the rules.  They are cheap and prone to breakage.  Need more?  Hunt down some goblins.  They're everywhere.

This also brings me to our rules on two-handed weapons.  Normally wielding any weapon two-handed would result in a 1.5 multiplier of the character's STR bonus.  Snow convinced me that using a one-handed weapon two handed should also help negate STR penalties to damage.  I agree.  So, anyone who would like to use a one-handed weapon (that has a sufficiently large hilt or shaft) can either increase their damage by one point or multiply their STR bonus by 1.5, whichever is higher.  There is no adjustment to the hit bonus or penalty.

I'll keep the original dice roll, as not likely to get better. Hopefully enough to get Trog3 down, and others to help Snow.

Big success... and big failures... that's what makes a memorable game >.< (ouch)
This message was last edited by the player at 19:27, Fri 09 Apr 2010.

We should check around for Treasure Type H.   :P

I have drawn a hastily scribbled map of the parts of the temple you've seen.



Key

1 - YOU ARE HERE
    Locked room

2 - Altar room
    Arkus was tied up here
    Upper Temple battle here

3 - Upper level

4 - Lower Level

5 - Cells room
    Toma was held here
    Lower Temple battle here

6 - 8 doors

7 - Southern lower level entrance

Everyone is going to be advancing to 2nd level soon.  Congrats!  You guys surely earned it.

First off I'm going to allow folks to shuffle stats, skills, spells, feats, etc around if there's anything you want to change.   There might be some things that didn't work out for you as well as you had thought, or maybe you just overlooked a skill you really want.  Just let me know what you want to do.

Secondly - Hit Points. Players have their choice of rolling HP or taking the average roll rounded up.  For instance if you roll a d8 for HP the average is 4.5   Rounded up is 5 HP.  Statistically, it's a good deal.  If you want to gamble go ahead, but don't whine if you get a bad roll.

Lastly, I wanted to reward everyone for doing such a great job keeping the game moving.  I think the players have done an amazing job of staying on top of the action.  Thank you.  :-)   Everyone can take two extra skill points at second level.

You can go ahead and update your characters now if you'd like, but the changes will not actually take effect until after a little narrative time.  I'll calculate the exact EXP for everyone by then and post that, but I assure you you've got more than enough for 2nd level.

Rennovating the house.

My internet connection might be unreliable for for 2~4 days.  Not sure if i'll be able to log in, so please act accordingly and NPC my character if you need to.

Good luck with the renovations Snow!

Check this out: http://www.myjones.com/limited/wizards

So which ones did we bring back from the Trogs? I think we must have got Potion of Healing and Eldritch blast according to the colors.

Glumr, if you were paying attention, they're a potion of enlarge size, and a potion of reduce size....

I know, I know...  I was making a joke about the link.

Hey Fritz how much exp is it worth to strangle your cousin?

No exp, but you can have one free Jones soda (see link above)
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:00, Mon 10 May 2010.

We have (6) potions worth 175gp.

We can each sell one and make 175 gp off it.

We can sell the last two and make 350gp off it.  We can spend that 350gp to buy healing potions.

Healing potions at Golden point are 35gp each (as opposed to the normal 50gp).

we can get TEN healing potions for 350gp.

We can each take (2) potions and give Mord the extra (2) given that he's the Hit Point Soaking character of the party.

We can fuss over having (6) potions that make us large or small...

Or we can sell the lot of them and make...

175gp each and (2) Healing potions each [4 in mord's case]

Snow's urging for the Blue option, it's an easier split, and we end up with almost twice the potions, of a more universal useful nature and pocket change to improve equipment .  175gp... THAT's a FRAKING WARHORSE AND THE GEAR TO GO WITH IT!
This message was last edited by the player at 15:20, Thu 20 May 2010.

I really would like to keep a potion.

What if we each picked one that we wanted.

Sold two to get 350 coin. Split that by 4 for 87.5 each.

Then we can each keep or sell the new potion we picked and get to pocket 87.5 coin.

Would that work for everyone?

Then we can either use it for potions or whatever we feel would be best suited for the next legs of our quest.

Fine....

Everyone makes an additional 262.5gp from the value of the potions.

If you want any of 'THESE' potions you can spend 175gp to buy them.

Else they're considered sold for profit.

[footnote, we can swing by golden point to buy healing potions for 35gp each.]
This message was last edited by the player at 15:33, Thu 20 May 2010.

I think we have 3 healing potions in the box on the cart.  Just FYI.  Someone should carry them with them incase we leave the cart somewhere.  Maybe Mord since he's our tank and tends to take the most up in person kind of damage.

(nods) sounds good to me.

Alright...  We're pretty much ready to start chapter 3 now.

I need Mord to reply to his private messages.

I also need everyone to make sure they've made the updates they want to for level 2 and got their equipment listed correctly.

I have updated the game map (not necessarily to scale) and approximate distances in the handouts item.

*pokes Mord*

Oi, stop drinking so much Grog, theres adventuring to do.

I know that Snow sold her potion and Glumr kept a Reduce Person potion.  Since there were 3 of each Holly and Mord can choose any of the 3 options.

Sell your potion while you were in Silvergate
Keep an Enlarge Person potion
Keep a Reduce Person potion

In reply to Fritzholm (msg #215):

Mord will keep one enlarge potion

Holly will take the Reduce Person potion.

What Cloaks were you talking about Snow?


and


What all do we have on the cart?  (Editing this as I figure it out)

40 pounds of fresh food
two caged falcons
Tents

What else?
This message was last edited by the player at 12:31, Wed 09 June 2010.

Snow made cloaks for everyone that were delivered and sent during down time...

She folds and wraps each one carefully in a swath of common black cloth to keep it from being stained.  She writes in very careful and fancy cursive a note for each of her cousins.

'I thought it might be a great idea to have a momento from our first adventure together.  I'm sure you'll recognize the material...
Your loving Cousin, Snow'

She'll make the rounds to where they live, and they're obviously out doing their own thing so she'll leave it with their moms, dads, or whoever watches over them to pass on to them.  (you can have it just sorta show up during their daily activities 'whenever')

Trying to figure out if Frizt forgot about it and never delivered it, or if everyone choose not to wear it cause it was sorta bright and flashy and while pretty not travel friendly.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:33, Wed 09 June 2010.

Ah..   He forgot to mention it to me. I'll work it into the story.  Glumr would prefer to travel in some darker material, for stealth if needed, but will work it into the story.

What do they look like?

Very unstealthy, they're made of the fabric we stole from the trog temple, she made one for each of you, they're orange/gold ish and shimmer, very pretty dress cloaks, not so good for travel.  They look like alot of care and time went into the detailing and stich work.  They're probably worth a few coins, how many would depend on who you were selling it to and their appreciation for the detailing put into the cloak.  It's a very fine cloak, maybe too fine for casual travel, but it's certainly a pretty eye catcher and would actually contrast and offset darker colors for a pretty contrast.

Snow herself (for whatever reason) is not wearing one, though you recognize her using the fabric to tie her hair up.  She's got a lighter shade of grey cloak, almost white but not quite as bright, a natural white, not a bright bleached white.  'eggshell' or 'ivory' would be a good description of the color of her current cloak.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:14, Wed 09 June 2010.

Very nice... I'm gonna keep it with me for the situations where we need to look a little nicer.  Meeting with say, leader of Rankor Heights.  Maybe if we look nice we might have easier time getting audience.  :)

My bad.  Snow did indeed leave packages for people.  Most people's private threads had wrapped up by then, so I didn't post anything about it.  I should've included it at the beginning of the adventure thread.

It's as Snow mentioned - a little, nicely wrapped package and a note.  I think only Holly can read the note, though.

The cloaks are bright, either orange or yellow (I'm not sure who got which color) and shimmery.  They weigh one pound and are quite valuable.

The colors are probably mixed, Yellow with orange trim, or orange with yellow trim.  The cloaks would be double lined, i'm thinking the liner would be darker and made of Triple Fang wool for warmth.  Practical minded Snow would design the cloak to be reverseable dark side out for foul weather and travel to spare the more expensive fabric wear and tear, and provide better stealth.

For the time and cost put into it, and the cost of common wool fabric it shouldnt be a big deal, if you need a cost modification for the changes let me know.  It's got a simple clasp to secure the cloak, but it looks like it was designed to be easily removed for something more ornate if so desired.

For some reason I read the sling damage rather than the Sickle damage. At least it was nice to roll a double 20.

The next day the headlines read

CRITICAL RECOUNT ENDS WILDCAT STRIKE

Holly holds her head in shame at a punchline like that!

Impressive though.

(Dealing with dinner, post soon)

Already at 1500 posts! Cool.

In reply to Holly (msg #229):

This whole plot line seems to be getting a very fractured start, and some of it appears to be spiraling away from misunderstanding our surroundings.   I get that Glumrs kin were killed by goblins.  I dont get why Bezin mentioned Dark Woods as the only place else he's heard about goblins.... the chances of this being true for someone his age are miniscule.   Either the band attacked Glumrs kin only and are en route to the next attack or they have attacked more that Bezin just didnt hear about yet.  Whenever the supplies from the last attack run out, another will come.

Bezin's comment certainly led me to believe that the Dark Woods was a local forest well within the Triplefang region where a few goblins may be trying to set up shop.  As Fritz cleared up, it is absolutely not this, its a large region south of Triplefang lands and filled to the brim with goblin tribes/clans, having been pushed out of the Triplefang area "mostly".

"We" arent going there anytime soon to rid the region of goblins--thats the work of several large companies of Triplefang warriors, not a band of 4.  Also, we are headed to Rankor Heights which is presumably in Ferisden lands since its their capitol and its across the east border of Triplefang lands.  Maybe its southeast of us, rather than due east, but it doesn't sound like we will be near the Dark Woods on the way there nor on the way back.

 If "we" did want to get involved in something like fighting Dark Woods goblins, we should find  a mid-level leader of Triplefang "border patrols"  due south and volunteer.  Something where we get manageable tasks suitable to a group our size/strength.

I still dont have a good handle on where these towns are within the geography of the region.   Can we get a back of the napkin map posted that shows the main towns mentioned so far with respect to the regional borders?

Sorry about this.  These sort of misunderstandings are easier to deal with in face-to-face games.  I'll explain what I can and hopefully clear things up.



Surely, everyone has had run-ins with goblins.  They are more common down south but they're found in the sparsely populated areas north of the Ventach too.  When Bevin mentioned the hunters being killed down near the Dark Woods he was referring to recent activities around the timeframe of the attack on the farm.  Mord is right that an isolated attack like the one on the farm is very unusual.

Glumr was told by Heinrich that there were already warriors in the south, but none of the four of you has any real idea where their camp, fort, or base of operations might be.  There aren't any villages in the area and you haven't come across much in the way of herds or farms on the way so far.  It's pretty sparse.  Then again, that's how it was on the way to Gollag too.  It's mostly wide open nature.  Holly suggests that people in the southlands probably tend to live near the coast, but you don't know of any established settlements there either.

Crim is still your best bet for finding out what's going on.  Villages are central gathering points not just for people but for their information.  There will be an elder in Crim who is sure to know more about the goblins and the Triplefang warriors in the southlands.



Have you seen the game map?  It's the menu next to the 4-die on the bar at the top.  If it seems like there aren't many Triplefang settlements, you're right.  Silvergate, Volge, Goldenpoint, Pliffa, and Crim are about it.   I'll add a little marker for the farm when I get a chance.  This map will grow more detailed as you explore more.  However, it's largely symbolic, to give the players some idea of where things are.  There really aren't any maps of land.  The Triplefang made some sea charts, but land locations are known by memory and oral tradition.  I'm not sure if Snow is trying to create one of the first maps of Triplefang lands in her notes or not.

In reply to Fritzholm (msg #231):

I never even noticed the map function in that bar, so today was the first time using it.  It definitely helps.

I didnt realize the Golbin's in the woods equated to giant hoards of golbinoids of all types.

YEah..   "We" dont stand a chance if we were to head into those woods.

Glumr was thinking maybe a small goblin tribe or two.  So.. I'd say lets just ignore that and move on with the quest to get the book.

Onward and upward then?  We mount up and go forth to further adventure?

More or less... maybe there's something useful in the house... after that, we should roll out on to adventure!  I'm in the middle of a post that kind of says all that.  Will have it done in a sec here.

Nice track roll, maybe you can reverse track from the carcass, to find out where they came from or went to for a clue?  Way to go Shaggy :D

Yeah... Finally got a sweet roll. :)   Usually when it matters, I blow it.

+11 on tracking things is pretty rad as well.

Holly...

My brain misfired and I mixed up you and Snow with Ehlonna.    Nice pickup with that.  and thanks for the heal. :D

Actually Snow follows Obad-Hai too.

O.o

I think that two points of damage youre healing is brain rot.  Better hurry Holly.

Buzinga!

It says Snow follows Ehlonna on the handouts... that's where I got that. :P

On my character sheet it says Obad Hai, and if you got all the way back to character roll up it's been like that.

Does Snow strike you as a tree hugger sort that Ehlonna seems to emulate?

I'd have put Obad-Hai as the tree hugger, being the "Green Man" in guise.

sh sh sh....

Actually he came to the closest thing to being an arcane caster sort of worship so that's why she went that route.

(... and with that we hit 1600 messages... yea!)
This message was last edited by the player at 15:41, Wed 07 July 2010.

Glumr is sooo the tree hugger.  lol


Oh... I realized that mid June we hit our 1 year anniversary of this adventure.  Go us!
This message was last edited by the player at 17:21, Wed 07 July 2010.

Sorry about that.  I have updated the handouts to reflect that Snow follows Obad-Hai.

WOW! It doesn't feel like a year!

>.<

Want to feel old?  think how long we've known each other?

I already know I'm old!  Knee tells me that every day at the moment!
Heh, hehh, heh.

I just critical failed my init roll.  Why are the dice sooo cruel?

First off, if you're entangled you can either try to break free (DC20 STR or escape artist) OR attack.  The break free attempt is a full round action that allows some movement if successful.  Secondly, I think your attack roll should be at -3 not +1.  (-1 for STR, -2 for entangled)  Snow has a BAB of 0, not 1.  Please correct me if any of this is wrong (I make plenty of mistakes calculating these to-hits)  I'll assume that you chose to attack.  It's all the same if it's a miss anyhow, but if it turns out to be a legit 12 that would hit an entangled goblin since entangled reduces your DEX by 4, which lowers the AC by 2.

These rules sure are messy.

Snow is second level, even using the worst chart, as a magic user she gets a +1 BAB.  I believe youre allowed to add levels from a more competant class to a less competant one, to figure out BAB (but not the other way around).  [Real rule, not a Kitten one, check with Ciaran if you want to be sure?]

She's +1 for the MW dagger.

which is a +2 to hit, -1 for Strength.

I wasnt aware that Entangle was a -2 to hit.  I believe it negates your dex for armor class purposes and kept you from moving, i missed the bit about the -2 hit.

I think my problem was... I'm not sure what entangle does.  If you state all the penalties for Entangle it would be helpful.

I have my 3.0 book and my pathfinder book, and cant find my 3.5 pdf at the moment, so.... i'm clueless.

I wasnt aware that Str check to break free was a full round attempt, she wouldnt attempt it seeing a gobling coming, with a DC15, and -1 str, she was better of taking her chances and fighting the goblin.

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Fix as you see fit, show me the math, and i'll follow the penalties for the next round of combat.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:18, Mon 02 Aug 2010.

OK.  The Masterwork bonus is surely good.  I'll search around for this rule about Base Attack Bonus.  I've never heard of it before.  If anyone else finds it, please let me know.


I've been trying to post all the relevant information for entangle on the item, but here are the SRD rules for it:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/entangle.htm

and

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/cond...ummary.htm#entangled

They contradict each other a little, so I go with the spell description when they do because the condition entangled is for bolas and such where you can still move.  These grasses hold you to a spot.  The other judgement call I've had to make was whether to assess a -2 ranged attack penalty AND a -2 DEX penalty for ranged fire.  I've chosen to just go with one of these saying that being entangled hampers melee and ranged combat equally, which makes more sense to me.

Glumr... you really need to take those casters out... their armorclass should be easier to hit too...

I'm officially useless this fight.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:17, Mon 02 Aug 2010.

Unless you count the 4 goblins you've already taken out of the fight.

In reply to Fritzholm (msg #254):

They're not asleep, they're only stunned and will recover sooner than i'd like to think about.  Especially when i'm that close to them, though i have to hope they're all hopelessly tangled by now.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:23, Mon 02 Aug 2010.

First I checked the SRD:

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/classes/multiclass.htm

It says

Base Attack Bonus
Add the base attack bonuses acquired for each class to get the character’s base attack bonus. A resulting value of +6 or higher provides the character with multiple attacks.

There is no mention of adding levels of less competent classes, but it's also rather brief, so I checked the 3.5 Players Handbook.  Here are two clips from page 59 of the PHB:



This example actually contradicts what you suggest.  If the 4 levels of the less competent class were to add to the 6 levels of the more competent class the BAB would be +7/+2 for a 10th level rogue, but this is not how it works.

and under adding a second class it says



It all seems quite Straight forward.   0 + 0 = 0

Meh.

It's about as straightforward as using a two handed weapon and multiplying the negative strength modifier by 1.5 to get a bigger strength penalty.

The wizard is the worse combat class in the game and at second level gets +1 BAB.

A level of rogue, which is better than wizard and a level of wizard is +0 BAB makes no sense.  I'm pretty sure they fixed that rule somewhere, maybe in a supplement, but it's not worth killing yourself over.

I'll stand on the belief that it's still a pretty silly rule.

"Slapping or wounding awakens an affected creature"

Snow and Holly...

Cant comment in game cause it's just what you were thinking, but you both seemed to be as if you thought we shouldnt have attached the goblins.  At the time, you were both for fighting.  Nobody even suggested that we shouldnt.

Just saying. :P

(puzzled)


Did you understand that Holly?

Errr... That was supposed to be attacked.

You both said something to the effect of "I knew we shouldnt have attacked them."  But at the time neither of you said that we shouldnt.

Actually snow didnt say anything, except 'thank you'.

And Holly just said she thought everyone should have held to the plan, not go running into the area I was going to cast Entangle! Didn't say anything against attacking. We were all going to let them get closer and then ambush them, but that was not the case as they spotted us...

An imperfect snafu here and there is realistic and good for roleplaying.  (shrugs)

As long as no one died, which they didnt.

Don't mistake Tora's scolding for the GM's scolding.  She's a commander (a very smart one).  This is just how she is.

packing for a go away with family this weekend.  wont be around for a bit.

It's The Tome of Legends - a book.  The Tomb of Legends sounds like it'd make a good dungeon adventure, though.

(back from vacation, and sorta sorted out now.  slowly getting back into the swing of things on rpol.)

Moonlight, Mutt and Jeff...?  Are we allowed to bring them along?

Is there a place for us to buy Cuma provisions or is he sponging off what we already have?

You can buy as much food as you'd like in Kammara, but you currently have 60 lbs of food on the cart, which is more than enough to get to Rankor Heights.  Your stay in Crim didn't use up any food (only the trip to visit Tora used food).  In Triplefang villages you have practically free access to food.

Of course you can bring your animals on the trip around the loch.  That was the main reason that Holly wanted to take the long way.

Snow and Holly are still sleeping for now.  Cuma has only woken up Mord so far.  Mord's player hasn't signed on this week.  Would someone please volunteer to control Mord's actions until he shows up?

Sorry for the temporary grinding to a halt.  Glumr's player has been away at a conference in Boston.  We'll try to kick start the game when he gets back.  Hopefully we'll hear from Mord around then too.

Happy to wait.

(nods)

Go figure the two that are awake in character are away irl.

It's been grueling in boston here...  But I'm trying to check in.

(nods)

We making willpower checks to wake up Fritzie?

does glumr have precise shot?

He does. :D

Fritz said that the shore near the lake does not a tree line near it.  Lake is big, like we cannot see the other shores.

So there's confusion...

Does Snow mean take the forest route?  Or was she referring to the treeline near the water (which I was just informed doesnt exist as I was going to lean that way too)

Shore = out in the open, slightly dangerous (maybe)
Forest = Goblin hordes, very dangerous (for sure)
Boat = No animals, not dangerous


Everyone just chime in with which of the three.


I vote Boat.

You have no pets, you would.

I'll go shore, if your assessment is correct.

His assessment of the out-in-the-openness of the shore is correct.  The route that Cuma normally prefers has been blocked by hordes of Goblins.  He feels that you might be able to get around them by going along the shore of the Loch, or by delving deeper into The Dark Woods.  You'll have to make your own guesses as to the levels of danger involved.

As of now I'll assume our heroes chose the shore unless I hear otherwise.

Yeah, but you just bought some older dogs that are trained.  They arent bonded companion pets.

And it's not like we're going to leave them.  We *will* have to leave them penned up in the city.  So there or here, what's the difference?

My character really loves his horse anyway (she's modeled after my actual dog), so he loves her as much as anyone loves their animal.

So dont paint Glumr like he doesnt care about the animals, he just figures these folks will take good care of the crew's critters.

Reading snow's post about her journal, maps, plant specimens, etc made me think.

This is the sort of topic that is bound to stir up conversation among the Triplefang travelers.  Side conversations are one thing that happens a lot in face to face games that's missing here.  They don't directly effect or advance the plot, but they really do add depth to the character, and I think they're fun.

If I started a posting for roleplaying side conversations would that be something you'd use?  You could plan combat tactics before the fact, discuss things like the journal, talk about goals and dreams, or reflections on the past...  whatever.  These side discussions would be outside the time frame of the main adventure, so they wouldn't hold things up.  What do you think?

Would be something I would use with Holly. I think it owuld be a good idea.

Sounds good... I like the narrative stuff. :D

works for me.

Sorry about this, but I got a little bogged down trying to figure out what everyone is carrying and how much it's worth.  I'll post the taxes as soon as I can, hopefully today (Thursday).

Well, from Holly's point of view she is very happy not to be carrying more!

ARGH~ 72 73 silvers now.  QUICK! pay the dues and scoot, inflation is triple digits in this place i think.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:37, Thu 28 Oct 2010.

LOL  Just kidding it's still just 72.  :-)

For the record i really did think i was broke when we were settling up on the horses.  I was wondering what happen to all my money, i thought i spent it on mum and dad, or buried it at home, who knew i was carrying it?

lol.. I know.  My character was just giving yours a hard time in good fun. ;)

I think I did my math wrong.  Here's what I got for you snow.

I also paid in non-converted money so I'm going to edit my post converting before paying.

It's 19 silver per 2 gold coin.  or a 19 silver per 20 silver.

19   20
-- = --
x    Y

Y = amount you want to change (convert to silver)
Solve for x

So...

Y = 20 gold = 200 silver

19    20
-- = ---
 x   200

x20 = 19 * 200

x = (19*200)/20

x = 190 silver or 19 gold.

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I owe 66 silver.

I will convert 50 gold into 46 gold coins and 150 silver.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:10, Mon 01 Nov 2010.

I was looking at it as...

20 gold coins = 19 gold coins on the exchange.

Then pain off my bill with 8 gold coins = 80sp.  They give me change off what i owe?

I have 11 of their gold coins and a pocket full of silvers left to spend.

I thought it was rather simple. 5% of any coins you swap.
1gp=10sp=100cp
Exhanging 1gp gives 95cp, or 9 sp and 5 cp.

Holly will exchange 10gp for 9gp+5sp.

Why do you need exact change?  Isnt the standard part of doing business is, i pay coins and if i pay too much you give me change back?

You're going to tax me on money i'm paying you?

You can pay your tax in non-Ferisedan coins.  Colbein will give you Ferisedan coins as change.  After that you can echange further coins for Ferisedan money at 5%.

So let's see how this works out:

Snow 20gp - pays her 72 silver tax with 8 gold and gets 8 Fsp change.  12 gold = 114 Fsp.  114+8=126 Fsp
                        12 Fgp. 6 Fsp.

Gumr 50gp - pays his 66 silver tax with 7 gold and gets 4 FSP change.  43 gold = 40 Fgp 8 Fsp 5 Fcp.  Add the 4 Fsp.
                       40 Fgp. 12 Fsp. 5 Fcp.

Holly 10gp - 1 gold pays her tax in full, no change.  9 gold = 8 Fgp 5 Fsp 5 Fcp
                       8 Fgp. 5 Fsp. 5 Fcp.

Mord 167 goblin silver - pays his 53 silver tax leaving him with 114 silver.  114 silver =  10 Fgp 8 Fsp 3 Fcp
                      10 Fgp. 8 Fsp. 3 Fcp.


Please update your character sheets.

Actually Holly already paid her 1gp tax, and then wanted to exchange another 10gp.

Okay... to make Snow's math simple... if thats how it works.

She'll pay her tax with 8 gold. and net back 8 of their silvers.

She'll exchange 10 gold = 100sp, can i pay the surcharge with non local silver (snow has some of that left), or she'll deduct it off what she's being given and net 95 silver from the money exchange.

That's fine 18 less gold, 103 more Ferisedan silver.  Please update your character sheet.

no worries Glumr, that's meta gaming though.

No... Since she has a high charisma Glumr would notice that Snow has a way with people.    A stat would be reflected in the day to day actions with NPCs.

Imma post today when I get a chance.   Since we need to plan things out a bit, it'll be a longer one I imagine.

We're at the city, where he said he'd bring up, theres no reason to keep him with us now that he's done what he's said he'd do, we should pay him and part ways?

If so, Snow will pay Cuma's fees herself, she figures she owes her cousins for covering the cost of her horse and dogs.

I think Cuma has proven his worth as a guide in the city, and may well be very useful in learning what we can and cannot do. Would suggest a few more days, and then pay him off.

He's done what he said he'd do, we should pay him off and renegotiate a contract for him to guide us about the city if that's the case, or keep him on and give him a notable bonus when we resolve his services.

Actually... after some thought... this might work out.

If Farden is a local of the town, and knows his way around, it would allow the party to release Cuma and take Farden in to replace his role as local guide?

Let me just check that.

20:33, Today: Farden rolled 15 using 1d20+2. knowledge(local).

Hmmm... apparently, I know a bit about this place.

Farden has been in Rankor for a while now.  All his money is in the newly minted Ferisedan currency.  He doesn't have the depth of knowledge that Cuma has, but he certainly knows his way around, and presumably he works for free.  :-)

There's no further need for rolls if Farden has questions about the city, or the rest of the party has questions for him about it.  Just ask away,

I wanted to welcome the two new players to the game.  Looking forward to the next legs of adventure with you all.

Snow is no where near Holly, or she wouldnt have said something like that, she's in the sitting room, which is a bit off, or so i'm led to believe.

That's correct.  The dining hall is separated from the small sitting room by two bedrooms.  Right now Mord, Idora and Snow are in the sitting room and Glumr, Holly, Ferden, and a couple of chowing-down NPCs are in the dining hall.

pounces on 2000th post ^.^

Happy Thanksgiving peeps.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:27, Fri 26 Nov 2010.

I just updated my list of named NPCs the party has met.  We're almost to 50.  I feel like I should start a thread about them.  It would go something like this.  First I'd post

Who is Bevin Triplefang?

Then a couple of days later I'd post a description of the elderly shepherd who lives on the farm where Glumr's aunt and uncle were killed by goblins.