Yeah.. but Fantasy isn't referring to the genre but whatever I happen to believe- what4ever fantasy I entertain. In this case, the plotline (in my head) would be like a shonen manga, and my powers cause that to affect reality.

Really? Every piece of anime? Do you like any animations in general?

hehe, Desafon, if I push the envelope, the Conclave is never going to let you leave. Though being out of the Barracks is a good idea.

Poor Desafon at the mercy of society... I say just kill them wall. Let brute stregnth come in and determine the winner.

and



Umm... wow so you are instead going to BLOW OFF your DEBT something that people are put in PRISON for hdoing, and not only that but your Debt is a from a fine... so then your are essencially saying "fuck society and their rules" as well.

Max... I would says you char is more Chaotic Neutral than any sort of wanabe here.
See theres the stuff "you want and plan on max doing" and then there is the stuff you actually pull.

Also-


So how's that working out for you?
This message was last edited by the player at 07:17, Tue 04 May 2010.

Max, seriously, this is becoming a goddamn problem. Your immediate and flawed presumption of what was happening, leading into a typical, manipulative post which was designed to bully my own sense of setting and neatness into letting your post go is starting to piss me off.

So cut the fucking metagaming.

You've been fined a further Degree and you have one day to revise the post in the Ill-Omened Duel to reflect your distinct lack of Logos. I'd, you know, give you another warning but this is the fourth time in two weeks. Msonus has been playing as long as you and hasn't gotten a single warning. Ruse, either. Not even Chal.

Cut it out.

:( I got my first one last week...

Also Nat are you STILL up? I mean by the rate of OOC posts you've been making all day...

Yeah, still up, writing, in a foul mood, about to see Iron Man with my girly :D

seriously dude staying up for two days isn't healthy, and besides... that means no updates tonight :P

I don't care.

Just end the duel, I don't fucking care anymore. There's no point in even playing if the GM just whisks away any progress I've made in the last few months because his panties are in a twist.

Give me some fucking details if you want a post that isn't metagaming, because I don't even know what position Maxillita is in, what the hell Wyrn is talking about, or anything. I have to metagame otherwise my post will just be "I have my fingers broken. I scream in pain." Because there's fuck else I can do.

This is the fourth day I've been without power so I probably won't be able to post again.

I'm removing Dust from my sticky list. I don't want to play.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:03, Tue 04 May 2010.

Nat, I'd like you to please give Max back his degrees. I know you're very tired, and you get very grumpy when you're tired.

Also, while he may have done some metagaming, as a player I am interceding on his behalf and begging you for mercy. Because I'm having a fit of compassion right now.

Why is it that when I I saw that this started playing in my ears...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHJoj9IqeKg

This this is like a dream come true!

hey, Anik, thats a tad harsh.

Sure, Max can be overwhelming with his 'youthful exuberence', and I know that I'm pretty vanilla towards him; I find the details of his life he posts on here quaint and usually unneccesary, but one of those unique flavours or Theo that just... is, I guess.

I know that I don't have any particular grudges against Max, and I know that if I did, I'd be just as nasty (ask Nat for current parallels) but here I think that discipline may have gone a tad too far.

I'm not going to proffer suggestions to Nat unless he specifically asks me; he is the GM and it's a lonely life up top, but I am sorry that Max's fire for Theo: Dust has been, in a large part, quenched.

This game is fun, and for someone not to be having fun in game is problematic. I've found this game difficult, engaging and sometimes infuriating but at all times I've had a drive to keep going and to conquer the next hurdle with my hide intact, whether it be a threatening councilman or the machinations of another player.

Nat, you're not going to beleive this, but my POV is along similar lines to Ruse's. Not identical, not nearly, but I do know what you can be like when in a foul mood, and I know I run for cover whenever that happens.

Nat is attuned to his true self when hes in a foul mood imo.

You guys don't understand... I went through this all before with max... he ignores all warning... all rules. He does whatever he wants and then doesn't even apologize for it (unless of course you ban him and wait a month for him to send you an rMail with suicidal tones...)

So ya I am convinced that it is beyond repair now. While all of your are pieing away at "omg a player got dissed... and is threading to quit." (also to be added AGAIN!) Truth be told no matter his AGE no matter his RL ISSUES rules lined out by a GM in a game will be followed by the player else there is no POINT in having a GM.

I want you guys to THINK for a moment.

WHAT has Nat done to deserve the bashing?
HOW MANY TIMES has Nat had to warn, yell, and threaten Max for doing inappropriate stuff both ICly and OOCly.
Put yourself in a GM's shoes, you must ever night deal with craploads of player request... both IC post, PMs regarding who knows what, and of course managing the OOC. You think that stuff is EASY (it's not... but because it's fun we do it). And when a player like Max comes around and pulls that stuff over and over without ANY REGARD to repeated asking to stop... What the hell did you think Nat was going to do... just keep asking until he decides he doesn't want to update because he knows he has to deal with problem-players?

I mean I am amazed! I'm sitting here going "hrm... this is the exact same crap he pulled with Rebirth and Kookhe #1."

So tell me HONESTLY are you saying that Nat "whisks away any progress I've made in the last few months because his panties are in a twist" and that there were no REAL REASON behind it.

---

Ok mad rant against ignorance aside...

1: It's not our business so butt out. this goes to me too :P lol
2: Nat as a request for our collective sanity from now on can we keep GM-player issues, punishment, ect... private? It seems we as players cannot handle it.

Thanks for the support, Anik. I've read over what's been posted here and your point pretty much sums up how I feel. If this happened in a pen and paper roleplay I'd have no hesitation throwing the offending member out.

The exact infringements, as I saw them, were blatant metagaming. And it's been a problem that's plagued Max over and over, whether it's conveniently forgetting paradox, gradually fixing his character's powers so that they become stronger over time with no particular explanation, violation of my wishes in regards to certain elements of the game, and many more.

I admit that I was in a foul mood when I read the post, but a) he was WARNED, three times in fact in the past two weeks, and b) he'd already been penalized percentage for the metagaming. Most other players can handle it fine. What he pulled in the Duel was roughly equivalent to Ruse stating within Alkan that, "The Lord of Mist felt something stir from deep within him. It was a love, the love of Yggdrasil, and in that love he felt the protection of the Tree flow over him.."

It's ridiculous.

I fully apologise for the manner in which I reacted. It was childish, bad-tempered, unnecessarily nasty and unprofessional (not that, of course, this is a profession..) But I do not apologise for calling him out on it. And I still feel the one Degree penalty is perfectly fair. He's been doing this stuff ALL GAME. I go along with it for the most part with good nature simply because, well, y'know, it happens.

Now he's sending me angsty poetry via PM. Which doesn't help.

But I hold Ruse in high standing, and while Pitcarn's plea is less convincing I guess I'll take that into consideration. I also admire Max as a player, a GM, and - sometimes - as an individual. I want him to play my game and to have fun. If he's willing to edit the post, as well as apologise to myself and to everyone else for the metagaming I'd be happy to reset the penalty to thirty percent, possibly lower if it's particularly heartfelt.

If he's quit for good.. well, shit move on my part, and I'm incredibly sorry for that. I understand if other members of the game wish to move on with him.

On that last part... really? I wouldn't understand that at all, not because of Max I mean, I'm not being mean. I just don't get why someone would leave because someone else quit...

Oh and Nat... this is also what Max did in Closing Kookhe

</quote The Fool>
Kookhe is over. I'm done with Theogenesis and with it's creator. I've sacrificed too much of my life to this GAME to stand for this.

You're allowed to use any content from the game you want, just give credit or something. Make a Kookhe 2.0 if you like it that much.

If you're pissed, sad, happy, whatever, direct it towards Nathaniel Robinson, someone I looked up to as a big brother and loved, and
 and who has taken away every favor he has ever done me, every nice word he has ever said to me, and expected me to not cry.

I'm leaving RPOL in two days. My power has been out all week so any replies won't be read quickly or replied to swiftly.
 That was Max' pm
</quote>

WHAT THE HELL... really all i have to say about the bold part.

Meh, I've almost banned Max twice before, but that was for vulgar, inappropriate content in the OOC that probably would have given the game a warning or a rating change had a mod seen it. In both cases, Anik decided to go with a warning rather than outright ban, only to have to later ban him anyways.

I don't have the antogonistic relationship he has with Anik, but after some of the stuff he's said, I don't have a large amount of respect for him either. He's getting better, as far as I know, but he's still got some maturing to do. He still gets over-dramatic over a lot of things, and is a bit of a hothead. Either he'll be back, which would still be good, or he won't.

Either way, don't worry about it. I don't see anyone else leaving because he rage quit.

Nat,

As much as I hate to get involved in this kind of argument this isn't the first time Max has pulled the whole "I'm leaving" card to get his own way.  He's not interested in playing, he's interested in being the centre of attention and that's not always compatible.  He's trying to guilt trip you, I'm willing to bet he's not even removed Dust from his stickies.  I've had a fairly complicated relationship with Max, probably because I'm (as far as I'm aware) the only GM he's directly lied to.  If you feel you need to be reminded about Max's behaviour ask Anik about Rizzun/Dragon.  Max needs to make his own choices - feel free to change your mind but ignore the pleas and advice of everyone else and decide what you think is best for you - not for the game but for you.  I'm not telling you what to do - that is your choice and always will be in your game - but I don't think Max is worth keeping in the game (although I would like him to remain) if it is going to cause you stress or undermine your authority.

tl;dr

Theogenesis is M for MATURE - so mature the fuck up. Nat shouldn't have to put up with this shit.

(on a school computer)

Preface: Before I read anything, I'd decided my reaction was uneccearily vindictive, much like Anik's banning me from his game because I wouldn't take his advice.

- Two degrees may not sound like as massive a punishment as I make it out to be. Please let me explain.

Two degrees is Masterhood. Two degrees is Fusion, the beggining of the Trials, Ascendance, the compensation for my previous deaths, what my third death would bring me, it was what I got for the two really valorrus act I've done. It's a retraction of all the promises or assurances Nat gave me. I lost my people, and that hurt, and I took a major power so that I would have one friend, just one, that wouldn't die- the Nat is Not a Bastard power. And that friend died.

All my major powers depend on Nat. My character is named after me, and when the began, was. For my emotional stability, I rely on four people; my little sister Kelsey, my blood-sister Jennifer, my girlfriend Paige, and my older brother, Nathaniel. In RL, I tell my teachers and my friends that I have an older brother named Nathaniel, who is in Australia. To use Nat's terms, in my reality tunnel he IS my older brother. I look up to him as a role model, and I imitate his philosophy and beliefs as my own. I love him.

I didn't know why I lost the first degree this morning, and learning that I lost the second, I interpreted that as my older brother telling me to get the fuck out and never come back. Theogenesis, for better or for worse, is very important in my rather closeted life. I started crying right there, and I was furious and hurt. I lashed out as hard as I could.

I play this game because in my head you are my friends, and I get to act out my desire to be a hero, and I get to do imporant things, like speak at the funeral, and get in the duel..

I'm sorry. I was in the wrong, and I shouldn't have metagamed or trusted you guys with any details of my life. I just hope you will understand how I felt, how I am feeling, and why I am acting the way I am.

This seals the deal. I now know what my very first sacrament power will be: Aegis of the Forelorn Aussie.

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Everyone: I totally understand where you are coming from and a lot of it is right. I still just think this would leave a bad taste in my mouth, though, so I'm still throwing myself at the mercy of the court - especially Nat - if only because that's my schtick here in the ooc. My plea for mercy stands, and I firmly ask that you all spare Max. Please.

Max: Nat basically redacted his wrath from what it was doen to a mere 30%. You need to take this and run with it. Just edit your posts, stop flipping out, enjoy the game, and apologize to everyone for your outburst. I will continue begging for mercy on your behalf, but you WILL do several things in exchange and this is not negotiable anymore. Otherwise, I'm throwing you to the hounds:

1.) You will edit the posts in question like Nat requested, in the way he has requested. Remove all forms of metagaming - accidential or otherwise - from them.

2.) You will stop flipping out at us. If something does not go your way, it is not the end of the world. Sometimes setbacks are set ups for comebacks. Look at Ruse and Aesin for Christ sake! But it's a game and should NOT evoke these sorts of reactions in you in ooc. You also will not redesign or kill your character when they lose a fight - unless it's your last life lol.

3.) You will enjoy the game and make decisions that fit your concept, and then accept the consequences - good and bad - of those decisions.

4.) You will apologize to everyone for this outburst, and then apologize again to Nat in particular. Your reaction, while perhaps having some threads of righteousness in it, has totally mutated into a monstrosity through you over-reacting. There is a better way to voice your dissent than this.

5.) You will stop emotionally investing TOO MUCH in your characters. It is okay to care about a character. I sure do about mine. However, at the end of the day if a meteor strikes Austrailia and kills Nat, or thunder blows the RPOL servers, the republicans take over, or some other catastrophic event, know that you will still be you with your life and personality and everything carrying on. Losing a fight should be an "aw darn" moment, and nothing more. It is not like losing an arm. I want you to care about your roleplay and writing but make sure it remains subservient to real life Max. Your character and you ONLY share a common name and that's ALL.

6.) I also fully expect you to issue an apology in Kookhe as well, publically. That was unnecessarily vindivtive.

7.) While I agree Anik can be a dick sometimes - and God bless his heart because he introduced me to Theo - I do not want to see any more purposeful ooc "jabs" at him. So you guys aren't as hunky dorey as you and I may be? So what - you still need to respect each other and I will not yell at Anik when he mistreats you if you are going to turn around and do the same thing, because it isn't nice! I want you to be respectful in the ooc at all times.

8.) Tone down slightly on the doom and gloom. You're a teenager so I expect some of this and lord knows I'm an emo in hibernation or stasis waiting to blossom. However, you need to realize that your life right now is ultimately trite and it won't be like this as an adult unless you let it. The doom and gloom is fine to a point but don't let it leak into your gaming.

9.) Take the -30% degree reduction and nod your head. It's a hell of an improvement from 2 whole degrees, lol.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:23, Tue 04 May 2010.

Okay. I wrote out a detailed reply but I'm on a school computer and they are lame and I lost the whole thing.

So, I agree on all points, and nod my head. I deleted the offending post and I made an apology in kookhe.

EVERYONE: I am very sorrowful over my behavior as of late and sincerely regret my recent actions, and the offensive actions I have partaken in historically. I humbly beg your forgiveness.

Let me begin by saying that on a personal basis, I don't really like Max.

So, I find it very hard to type this, but in a fact I believe that I would prefer it for Max to stay. Believe me, Ruse knows how many times I've told him I'd really like to see Max go because he annoys the heck out of me, but personally someone on the board has to annoy someone. I mean, Sura does ICly because I keep trying to go after him and something keeps happening, but Max is that OOC individual whom keeps drawing my irritation. But, at the same time, Max is just... Max. That's going to happen. We've accepted him, agreed on it, and so if he's acting like himself we can't go and say 'Well, I didn't know this is going to happen', we got to agree that we knew this was going to happen.

Now, I know that sounds like I am insulting Max further, and in a way I guess I can see that it was, but personally I have not lived the life that Max has. Oh, sure, I have my problems which can seem to me like I have it worse than Max, but I'm not that young anymore and so I have gotten over my angst-posts. Max will eventually. So, I guess I'm saying, don't take it too hard on Max. Oh, he'll quit if he wants to or he'll just say he's quitting and we should just shrug and nod our head and let him figure out if he wants to or not and all that schtick.

Maybe I'm just ranting after a bad day myself, but I figured since everybody else was in a bad mood and posting, why not me too?

- Desafon, God of Piracy, Duels and male PMS. Wait, did I say that last one aloud?

Wait, Desa, you're saying Max is a replacement Tom?
And I did not notice this, this entire time?

I dunno.
Tom pissed me the hell off.
Max, not so much, but that's probably because I never really talk to him. I dunno.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:59, Tue 04 May 2010.

I don't know who Tom is.

I'm just saying that we know/knew Max the way he is and I thought we accepted him. If we're telling him to get out, and I don't believe that is the case, then we're saying we didn't know him. Well, he's in the game and we know him to be who he is, so what point is there at telling him to go? There is none.

As for punishing him, I know I'm probably one of the most irritated, but believe me when I say that even I winced at the notion of Max getting penalized a degree. Does it make me relieved that I still have a chance to kill him before he gets his new position? Sure. As a player, would it upset me if I lost a degree? Most certainly. So, I think that is kind of harsh, but that's just my perspective on things.

-Male PMS God's note