March: All's Fair... (Caleb & Klarissa)
..Characters - Caleb, Klarissa, Zoe
..Next step - Is Caleb even interested? I think the aim was just to make things more complicated for Caleb and Klarissa by introducing another woman.
..Final goal - ?

March: Hawaiian Artistry (Nalu & Ellie)
..Characters - Nalu, Ellie
..Next step - ?
..Final goal - ?

April Showers (Amrita & Jonas)
..Characters - Amrita, Jonas
..Next step - ?
..Final goal - ?

March: Lean On Me (Rori & Heiki)
..Characters - Rori, Heiki
..Next step - ?
..Final goal - ?

March: A Family That Preys (Alex, Rori & Dana)
..Characters - Alex, Rori, Heiki, Dana, Maya, Konnui
..Next step - Alex reveals Rori's promotion and someone else reveals their secret
..Final goal - ?

March: After the Storm (Cedric & Chloe)
..Characters - Cedric, Chloe
..Next step - ?
..Final goal - ?

March: Why The Caged Bird Sings (Kat)
..Characters - Kat, Cam, Miah, Jonah
..Next step - More Kat torture?
..Final goal - I think we're mostly just killing time and filling in the 8 years for Kat.

October: The Real World Waits (Karey, Dee & Paige)
..Characters - Karey, Dee
..Next step - Dee visits Karey in Florida
..Final goal - Move to new thread "The Fireman's Hose Job"

March: The Fireman's Hose Job (Karey & Dee)
..Characters - Karey, Dee
..Next step - Complete "The Real World Waits"
..Final goal - ?

September: Port Eden Pedigrees (Marco & Chance)
..Characters - Marco, Chance
..Next step - Finish bow chicka
..Final goal - ?

March: Down the Rabbit Hole (Devon & Hana)
..Characters - Devon, Hana
..Next step - I think there was supposed to be something with her going to visit family or something.
..Final goal - ?

March: Into the Wild (Chuck & Heiki)
..Characters - Chuck, Heiki
..Next step - Head to Canada
..Final goal - ?

November: Reborn in Fire (Kale & Nat)
..Characters - Kale, Natalie
..Next step - Working the rescue crew
..Final goal - Natalie's "rebirth"

March: In Brazil, They Throw Flowers (Tendaji & Renee)
..Characters - Tendaji, Renee
..Next step - Renee is in a hurry to whisk Tendaji out of there before Cedric shows up.
..Final goal - Love. Sweet, sweet love.

March: Everything Is Bigger In Texas (Gavin & Fiona)
..Characters - Gavin, Fiona
..Next step - I think we're introducing Dara into the mix?  Summertime.
..Final goal - ?

March: Haunting in Hawaii(Niko & Noe)
..Characters - Niko, Noe
..Next step - ?
..Final goal - ?

April: Los Angeles Times (Jack & Araceli)
..Characters - Jack, Araceli
..Next step - Jack is left with the baby?
..Final goal - ?

March: An Innocent Song (Dante & Christa)
..Characters - Dante & Christa
..Next step - ?
..Final goal - ?

March: Girls Gone Wild (Amy, Dee & Lily)
..Characters - Amy, Dee, Lily
..Next step - I don't even remember this.
..Final goal - ?

March: Age Is Only a Number(Kyrian & Kate)
..Characters - Kyrian, Kate
..Next step - Kate's life is going to be threatened in New York. No clue what's going on with Kyrian. When summer arrives, Kate will have gotten into a summer art program that will take her to Greece.
..Final goal -

April: Balm To My Wound (Bella & Davey)
..Characters - Davey, Bella
..Next step - Don't remember this either.  What are we doing with them?  Just fast-forwarding to the wedding?
..Final goal - ?

April: Take Me Out To the Ballgame (Alexis & Derrick)
..Characters - Derrick, Alexis
..Next step - This one has pretty much concluded.  I still have back scenes to write, of course.  Next is Christmas at the Hofmans.
..Final goal - ?

March: Che cosa faresti se ti baciassi? (Camden & Daniela)
..Characters - Camden, Dee, Daniela
..Next step - Er, idk?
..Final goal - ?

March: Bound By Blood (Kendall & Karey)
..Characters - Kendall, Karey
..Next step - ?
..Final goal - ?

March: A Slice of The Big Apple (Lily & Matt)
..Characters - Lily, Matt, Trey
..Next step - ?
..Final goal - ?

March: Definition of Insanity (Vin & Lena)
..Characters - Vin, Lena
..Next step - Finish sexy-time and then whatever at the airport.
..Final goal - ?

March: Port Eden Pedigrees (Mark & Sascha)
..Characters - Mark, Sascha, Aleros, Solomans
..Next step - He didn't like her much upon first meeting. I suppose we'll have to toss them together in another environment.
..Final goal - ?

March: High On Calories (Niccolo & Leigha)
..Characters - Niccolo, Leigha
..Next step - Finish the date so they can start being all gushy and attracted to each other.  Then Nicco goes home and shows up whenever whatshisface-cousin returns to Port Eden
..Final goal - ?

March: Strength In Numbers (Dane & Kai)
..Characters - Dane, Kai
..Next step - ?
..Final goal - ?

March: City of Hope (Keran & Claudia)
..Characters - Keran, Claudia
..Next step - Announcement of the wedding.
            - Claudia's asking her dad if he'll help her set up a little fundraising
              dinner for Keran to talk to investors at.
..Final goal - Get to Christmas with the rest.

March: Paradise Lost (Greg & Maleena)
..Characters - Greg, Maleena
..Next step - Greg needs to take her to a charity publicity thing before she's
              really showing.  There, he'll announce their impending wedding and how
              happy he is, blah blah.
            - Baby's birth and him helping her dump the baby on Jack's doorstep.
..Final goal - Misery for all.

March: Homecoming (Jack)
..Characters - Jack, Ally, Amy, Athena
..Next step - Need to get him back to Florida
..Final goal - ?

March: City of Dreams (Daphne & Logan)
..Characters - Daphne, Logan, Anthony, Kyra, Lilith, Finn, Mara, Perri
..Next step - Convo between Finn and Logan, the lion scene with Daphne, Jason, and Logan. Scene in makeup with Daphne, Lilith, maybe Perri, and Logan. That will lead to another scene with Finn and Logan. And I assume that Mara and Kyra and Anthony will get in the middle there somewhere.
..Final goal - ?

March: Prodigal Daughter (Tali & Jenna)
..Characters - Tali, Jenna, Blake, Jess
..Next step - ?
..Final goal - ?

March: Photographic Positive (Christian & Mara)
..Characters - Christian, Mara
..Next step - Re-introduce them
..Final goal -

March: Absolute Zero (Adrian & Renee)
..Characters - Adrian, Renee
..Next step - ?
..Final goal - ?

March: New York Spirit
..Characters - General thread for New York

March: Florida Sunshine
..Characters - General thread for Florida

March: I Love L.A.
..Characters - General thread for Los Angeles

March: Lei-d in Hawaii
..Characters - General thread for Hawaii

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This message was last edited by the GM at 22:18, Wed 13 Mar 2013.

Calling all writers!

Need your help getting us all up to speed on our characters and threads.  It's been so long that a lot of plottishness may have been forgotten about.

Please help!

I added stuff to the threads that were on the list. It probably needs to be drastically weeded through and I probably added people to threads where I should have put in an entry for a new thread that's been made. But I'm too tired for all that. So I just put in my two cents where I could.

Schedule for Alexis and Derrick:

April-June: Everything is going well for Alexis & production team.  Alexis is on a high, and despite a few grumblings from team members regarding her "secret affair" with Derrick (which is more like low-key in public, all-professional during 'working hours', and very hot in private, at least to Alexis), she feels very comfortable with the relationship and it shows.

You (Deb) can decide how the team / Derrick is doing.

June-August: Somewhere in the middle of June, something happens to change Alexis' mood.  For a little over a week, she becomes tense and anxious and very short-tempered, and will not tell Derrick what is going on, insisting everything is fine if and when he asks.  Shortly after they land in whatever state they land in the last week of June, she calms down and mostly returns to normal.  She is, however, somewhat distant and throws herself into her work.  If Derrick asks, she's "working on a deadline" but will not elaborate.  She doesn't seem as into the relationship as she was earlier.

August: Her anxiety increases shortly before they travel to Arizona and peaks the morning they land.  Based on past schedules, I'm putting the three games in Phoenix on: Monday, Aug 20; Tuesday, Aug 21; Wednesday, Aug 22.

I have something in mind for those three days.  We can either start the day before they land in Arizona, the day of, or really, any time before that.  If you have things you'd like to play out, just write them in up there and let me know when you want to start.

Also, I have no idea what you have in mind for the proposal, so feel free to throw that in there somewhere.

I just noticed that this thread is closed. Which doesn't really stop any of us from posting because we're all GMs, but still. Why?

On to baseball stuff.

Derrick says he wants to propose at the end of the season. It'll be during either a "Thank God It's Over" dinner or a "What An Awesome Season" dinner. Probably the latter. I think the rush of having a camera crew following them will bolster spirits, and the pressure of having a camera crew following them will encourage best-efforts. So the two combined will lead to a much better season than the year before. Normally, Derrick would hit a spot in the season where he'd get a little down about not being able to actually play. But he's feeling good about Alexis, and then he was already thinking about looking for a coaching job that wouldn't send him traveling around, so it will bypass him this year. He may mention it. Other than that, what you've got looks good. And Derrick is kinda checked out lately, so I don't have any specific scenes I want to play. But he's willing to jump into any scenes for which he's been requesting.

Bumpity

How the girls feel about their siblings...

       Laura:

Keira- She feels sad for Keira because she had to deal with so much so fast.  She realizes that when the family fell apart, Keira had no one to really protect her or lean on like she did.  Still, Laura has distanced herself from her, especially since she has no idea how Keira feels about her or the rest of the family.  Every year, she sends her a Christmas card.

Shawn- Since they both still live in the same town, Laura is closest to Shawn than any of her other siblings.  She's always looked up to him, and has made her peace with feeling abandoned by her brothers in her teen years.  Intellectually, she knows it wasn't deliberate or personal.  Just life.  She wishes she could be more supportive of him, like he was for her, and gets frustrated when she can't be.  He gets a Christmas card hand-delivered and sealed with a purple lipstick kiss (just because she likes to mess with him).

Logan- She is extremely proud of her big brother for following his passion and has watched every episode of every show he's worked on, even though she doesn't like reality shows.  She would like to be closer to him, but the distance between them prevents that, since they are both very busy people.  He also gets a Christmas card every year and she sends him her crappy artistic photos whenever she has time to take pictures.

Maggie- Laura misses her little sister terribly.  Rosalind, Maggie and Laura had been inseparable, even through college and weddings and Laura's first baby.  But when Maggie disappeared into the great big world, she left a hole in Laura that can't be filled.  She's very angry at Maggie for being so irresponsible and wishes she could just sit down with her and smack some sense into her.  She'd send a Christmas card if the woman would just stay in one place for more than a month.

Rosalind- She also misses Rosalind, though at least she lives closer and doesn't move around.  They talk infrequently, due to Laura's busy home life and Rosalind's... doing whatever it is she does that makes her leave the house so often.  Laura gets frustrated when she needs to get a hold of her sister, and can't, and Rosalind is notorious for not calling people back.  They used to be extremely close, but because Rosalind is so unreliable, Laura turned to Shawn for support instead.  She loves her dearly, but resents not being a part of her life.  She is also rather jealous that Rosalind doesn't have the responsibility of young children holding her back from doing what she wants, and gets upset knowing that Rosalind *isn't* doing what she loves.  Rosalind always gets a Christmas card, copies of Laura's photos, and occasionally a clay kitten wearing a top hat that is an inside joke no one else but Maggie would understand.

Ginnifer- Laura never really got close to her baby sister.  Ginnifer was never quite old enough to join in on the crazy stunts of her sisters, and didn't make it to the bonding stage they'd already reached.  Laura has always felt bad for leaving Ginnifer out, but hasn't been able to rectify the situation.  She hates that Ginnifer seems so wild, and often blames herself.  She stopped sending Christmas cards after two years of them returning unopened.

       Maggie:

Keira- Maggie is fairly indifferent to Keira.  To her, she's the girl who majorly screwed up her family's lives; causing her father to leave the family and her mother to go batshit crazy.  She has no interest in her background and figures that if Keira really wanted to be friends, she would have made an effort years ago.  Consequently, to her, the woman is simply one of her mother's kids.

Shawn- She's grateful for her brothers and loves them dearly.  The feeling of being abandoned by them in her pre-teen years sticks with her, however, and she thinks of them often with sadness.  Shawn, she attempted to reconnect with, but since he was going through his awful ex-girlfriend issues, it just wasn't the right time.  Maggie hasn't seen or spoken to him in nearly 5 years, so she doesn't know anything about his life, except for what her sisters and mother have told her.

Logan- Logan, she's sort of proud of, but thinks he's sold out.  She believes he can do much better than Hollywood, though how he'd become a famous cameraman without Hollywood is something she hasn't figured out yet.  Not that she gives it a whole lot of thought; it's his life, after all.  Partly in punishment, partly because she has her own thing going on, she hasn't seen or spoken to him, either, in the past 5 years.

Laura- Loves the woman to death, but thinks she's selling herself short by letting herself settle for a husband and children.  She saw what kids and marriage did to her mother and sister, and wants nothing to do with that nonsense.  (Though if she really dug deep into her psyche, she might be surprised to know that she's a little jealous of her sister and her ability to connect fully with another human being and raise three more of them.)  She calls her whenever she has the chance, though, because she couldn't bear not hearing her voice one last time.  Every time.

Rosalind- Of all her siblings, she misses Rosalind the most.  The two of them spent almost all of their time together as children and that kind of bond is not easily broken.  As she travels, she collects things that remind her of Rossie and saves them to give to her when she finally blows back into town.  She does regret not staying in her life but the longer she stays away, the harder it is to give in and go back.  She calls her as often as she can, though, and wants desperately to reconnect on a deeper level.

Ginnifer- Still her wittle teeny baby sister, even after all these years.  Although the two didn't grow very close, Maggie is fond of her.  She enjoys hearing about her exploits and sometimes sends her money when no one else will.  Maggie would like to get to know her better, but holds back just in case Ginnifer hates her guts or something.

       Rosalind:

Keira- Like Maggie, she's indifferent to Keira.  The difference in ages and Keira's leaving home early kept the two of them from connecting.  She doesn't dislike her or blame her for anything, she just doesn't know her.

Shawn- Though the boys spent a lot of time with the girls when they were little, they were off doing their own things by the time Rosalind got old enough to comprehend her family's lives.  She's not nearly as close to Shawn as she could be, though she is closer to him than to Logan.  She's not sure how to feel about him, except she does like him and feels comfortable enough to still tease him about the Bunny Game.

Logan- Her early memories of him are fuzzy, but pleasant, and she teases him as well about the Bunny Game.  For his birthday, she sends him hand-painted cards with elaborate scenes, and each time there is a pink kitten hiding somewhere in the picture.  She has no idea if he knows they are there, or if he keeps them, but it makes her happy to imagine he does.

Laura- Every childhood memory of hers has Laura and Maggie in it.  She loves her sisters dearly and could not imagine what life would have been like without them.  Though she wishes she could have more time with Laura, something always seems to get in the way.  Sometimes she wonders if it's something subconscious, but doesn't explore it too much.  She hasn't really seen Laura much, especially lately.

Maggie- Rosalind happily accepts Maggie's calls whenever they happen and they spend hours talking.  However, Rosalind is incredibly angry with her sister for disappearing and not keeping in touch.  For five years, she's answered the phone with the fervent hope that this time, she'd be calling for Rosalind to meet her at the airport.  So far, all she's gotten has been disappointment.

Ginnifer- Though the two are close in age, Rosalind doesn't have much in common with her little sister.  There once was a time where they actually got along and it seemed as if they might become friends, but obviously, nothing came of it.  Rosalind does make somewhat of an effort and sends her the hand-painted goth birthday cards she believes her sister likes.
This message was last edited by the GM at 04:54, Thu 16 Jan 2014.

I'll try to work on this as I can.

      Keira:

Logan -

Shawn -

Laura -

Maggie -

Rosalind -

Ginnifer -


      Logan:

Keira - Because they were fairly close growing up, Logan risked his mother's wrath to keep in touch after Keira was disowned. After his mother had calmed down, he became the go-between to arrange for Hannah's visits with the rest of their family. Now, the pair are still fairly close, texting and emailing often, but Logan sees more of Hannah than of her mother due to distance and the demands of both his job and Keira's.

Shawn - As the only boys in the family, Logan and Shawn have always been close, though not in the same way that the girls might be. They don't speak often, but when they do, there's no sign that they've ever been separated. Logan keeps up on the happenings in Shawn's life via email or actually listening to his mother.

Laura - Logan has always gotten along with Laura, and might have even considered her close before she became part of what he termed "the triplets." He isn't sure how it evolved, but at some point, it became difficult to separate his three middle sisters into individual personalities. They were always together. As a result, he feels like an outsider when it comes to interacting with them. Though he loves them and occasionally entertains the thought that one day they might all work on a project together. What that might be, he has no idea. He has a photo album where he keeps all the pictures Laura sends him.

Maggie - He feels guilty that he hasn't kept up with Maggie, but honestly, he has no idea how to get in touch with the woman. See Laura re: outsider.

Rosalind - Similar to Laura, he's fond of her, though he feels like an outsider when interacting with her. He has an album where he keeps the cards she sends him. He and Jason look through both her album and Laura's almost as often as Jason's favorite books. While Jason noticed it first, once it was pointed out, Logan has enjoyed searching for the pink kitten in each one.

Ginnifer - By the time Ginny was old enough to really interact with, Logan was much too old for it. As a result, he feels like he knows next to nothing about her. He attempts to be nice to her, but from what he can tell, she's a ball of drama, so he tries not to get sucked in. Often that may make him seem as though he doesn't care, but really, he just isn't sure how to interact with her without having to deal with her issues.


      Shawn:

Keira - Shawn was too young to be freely mobile when Keira was disowned, but he did occasionally tag along when Logan visited her. He never made a big deal of it and he's pretty sure his mom has no idea he's ever spoken to her after that. Their communications these days tend to only happen at the big family gatherings and only when his mom isn't nearby.

Logan - Thick as thieves. Or something like that. Their dad has always been a pretty busy guy (it takes a lot of overtime to feed a family their size), so Logan has filled in when advice was needed or Shawn needed someone to chat sports with. The brothers don't talk as often as they once did, but Shawn never feels awkward around Logan and now that they're grown, he finds that he even gets to give Logan advice once in a while.

Laura - He remembers fondly the years when he used to be very close to Laura. He is still much closer to her than he is to any of the other "Borg" but somehow it's not quite the same as it used to be. Still, they get along well, and since she's almost the only Boland left in Medina, he gets to see her more than any of his other siblings. He appreciates that she's practically drama-free and she's pretty reliable for sound advice (even if it's just "What movies are out that are good right now?").

Maggie - If she ever called him, he'd pick up, though he has no idea what they'd talk about. It's been so long since he's spoken to her, he's not even completely sure she's alive. Though, surely his mother would have told him if she died. Right?

Rosalind - He tries to keep up with her (at least through his mother), but he hasn't truly felt connected to the "Borg" since they were little. Nonetheless, he always tries to be friendly at family gatherings and if she ever called and needed something, he'd be there.

Ginnifer - Shawn worries about Ginnifer. Perhaps because she's so much younger than him, he feels protective of her. He took notice when Klarissa ended up in rehab and while his mother can't seem to see it, it's fairly obvious to him that Ginny is on drugs. He's not quite sure what to do about it, but when he has a chance to think about it, he tries to come up with something. They don't talk much, but if he ever found out she needed something, he'd take care of it without her even having to ask.


      Ginnifer:

Keira -

Logan -

Shawn -

Laura -

Maggie -

Rosalind -
This message was last edited by the GM at 06:56, Thu 16 Jan 2014.

Ok, so the little discrepancies I discovered while trying to write the timeline:

1) In Logan's profile, it says, "At the 1993 Christmas gathering, it was revealed that his mother had been aware of abuse suffered by her youngest sister, Gizi. Rather than stopping the abuse, Eniko had instead blamed Gizi, accusing her of stealing a boy from her. The revelation had been too much for the struggling marriage and a few days later, Logan's father had moved out."

The reveal was actually at the Thanksgiving gathering.  Not a huge discrepancy, just thought you might want to know. :)

2) From Logan's: "The situation reached a climax three years later when Keira became pregnant at the age of sixteen.

The next year was difficult for Logan and his younger siblings. Their mother was under a lot of stress and Keira didn't make things better. After months of insisting that she wasn't going to marry the father of her child, she finally gave in. After her daughter, Hannah, was born."

Keira turned 16 in August of 1997.  So if she got pregnant when she was already 16, then the "year" would have happened through late 97-98.  This means she would have had to have had Hannah and gotten married in 98.

3) Even if she got pregnant early in 97 (meaning she was 15 when she got pregnant and 16 when she had the baby), there's still a problem for the next section, where it says: "When Keira's marriage calmed things down again, the younger girls no longer needed the distraction and the video-making slowed. Shawn continued to write and Logan began taking photography and video classes when he started high school the next year."

Logan graduated in May 2001 (I researched Medina High School, they graduate the Saturday before the last day of school, which is  the last Thursday of May)  - meaning he was a week away from turning 17 when he graduated high school.  Since it's a 4-year high school, he either had to have started high school in fall of 1997 (age 13) or started in fall of 1998 (age 14) and graduated a year early.

Based on the wiki, if Keira got married in 97, then he would have started in 98; but if Keira got married in 98, then he didn't start high school until 99, and that means he didn't start high school until he was 15.

Also, when I was looking up Medina High School (since this would have been the high school they attended), I came across this:

"Along with homecoming and prom royalty, Medina also has a Mr. Medina contest for the senior boy with the most spirit. They decide this person by having about 5 finalists be part of a pageant-like event with 3 portions: speech (and formal apparel), talent, and costume. After watching this show, students vote. The winner is announced at a big pep rally at the end of the week."

I could soooooo see Logan or Shawn running for Mr. Medina. XD
This message was last edited by the GM at 15:04, Fri 17 Jan 2014.

I will look at my files. I'm wondering if I had a different birthdate for someone when I was coming up with my timeline and doing all the math. Because I know I did all that math. Which doesn't mean my math was right, just that I attempted to make it right and had a whole timeline that included people being born and whatnot.

And I think I noticed the Thanksgiving/Christmas discrepancy before. But it was at a time when I couldn't fix the reference. Or maybe I forgot I'd mentioned it in his bio. Something. But I know I noticed it. Probably when I was getting ready for NaNo, since I was going to write Eniko's novel then.

When I get home, I will list all the birthdates I have in my character ancestry file and see if we match up.

This is what I have in the ancestry file:

15 Aug 1981 - Keira Boland
01 Jun 1984 - Logan Daniel Boland
16 Apr 1985 - Shawn Boland
30 Jun 1986 - Laura Elaine Boland
31 May 1988 - Maggie Catherine Boland
24 Mar 1990 - Rosalind Rhiann Boland
1994 - Ginnifer Boland

Your dates all match the character data sheet and my other files. So, to see what I had determined for Logan's high school start.

I don't think I figured it by his age. I figured it by when he would have started kindergarten. With a birthday in June, he would have made the cutoff to start school the year he turned 5. So:

K - 1989 (August/September)
1 - 1990
2 - 1991
3 - 1992
4 - 1993
5 - 1994
6 - 1995
7 - 1996
8 - 1997
9 - 1998

So he would have started high school in August/September of 1998. So Hannah still could have been born before then with no problem. As far as when Hannah was born, I'll probably have to change her birthdate, because as far as the Bolands have told me, she was 16 when she got pregnant, not just 16 when she gave birth. I don't know why I thought there was enough time in 1997 for her to be born. But that means the earliest she was born was late May of 1998. Still enough time for Keira to get a quick wedding in front of a judge before Logan started high school.

But you're right. Graduating in May of 2001 is either wrong, or means he graduated early. I don't see him as the graduate early type. Too much home chaos means that while he may not have gotten bad grades, he most likely could not have managed a course load that would have gotten him out of there early. So I need to change that to 2002. That actually works better, because it would send him to CA a year later and then they'd only have one year of film school, which is what I actually wanted to begin with. I sent him to college purely as a way to stall him going to CA because I didn't want him to have finished film school, but I did want him to have attended.

So the discrepancy actually works out nicely.

I will fix Hannah's birthdate and Logan's graduation date and move to CA date and we'll be good.

Okey doke, so after researching more about the Medina school district, I came across something that may throw some wrenches into the timeline.

Medina has a policy that a student must be 5 years old before Aug 1.  Any student who has a birthday August 1st or later has to wait until the following year to enroll.  There are early entrance evaluations available, but only for students who turn five between Sept 30 and Jan 1 of that school year.

So basically, any child born between August 1st and Sept 29 is hosed.  They have to wait an entire year before starting kindergarten regardless of learning ability.  I don't know how far back that policy goes, so I don't know if it would affect the previous generation (Gizi's), but it definitely would affect the Boland Seven and their cousins, namely Keira, Caleigh, Mara, and Klarissa.

Keira and Klarissa probably won't be terribly affected, since they didn't graduate.  But Caleigh and Mara might be.  I haven't yet pinned down Mara's timeline, so I won't know until I do.

Want to go trivia hunting?

Have I ever specifically said that Caleigh graduated from college. Not being able to start kindergarten until 1990 would mean:

K-1990
1-1991
2-1992
3-1993
4-1994
5-1995
6-1996
7-1997
8-1998
9-1999
10-2000
11-2001
12-2002, so she'd graduate in May of 2003. Her cast page says that in 2015, she and her husband had been married for a decade. So, either they got married before she finished college (since 2003-2005 is only 2 years and even the overachievers usually take 3), or she quit college to become his wife. She has nothing on the wiki though, so unless she specifically mentioned college graduation (and put a date to it), the high school thing doesn't make much difference.

As far as Klarissa, Most places put the cutoff in the middle of August (it was in October when I was turning 5, but I don't know of anywhere with a cutoff that late anymore), so anyone in September, I would have already put in the right year for kindergarten, if I knew their birthdate (and not just birth year) when I figured their timeline. The August bdays are going to be the ones I might have gotten wrong.

In California, it's December 1st (or at least it was when I went to school).  In NYC, it's December 31st. :)  Phoenix is Sept 1st.

Anyhoos, those 4 I listed are the only 4 whose birthdays fall within the "you're hosed" timeframe.  Well, Jason's does too, but he doesn't go to school in Ohio.  I'll take a look and see if I find anything on Caleigh, and I don't know that there's anything that will need to be looked at in Mara's timeline.  Even if there's a year that needs to be adjusted, she's a smart girl and incredibly impatient, so the idea that she graduated in 3 years instead of 4 is not far-fetched for her character.

Interesting to me is the fact that both the troublemakers started later than their cousins (and didn't graduate).  I kind of wonder if starting a year later had any impact on the way they felt about themselves.

I'm sure it did. I started when I was six, not because I missed the cutoff with my bday, but because my older cousin had been held back and my parents didn't want me to be held back too, and have it harm my self-esteem (or some crap like that). At least that's what they told me. But I was ready when I was 5, so I was ahead of everyone else by the time I started and that seriously messed with me all through school. I always felt like I got cheated out of a year. When they considered skipping me a grade, I felt like that would just put me where I belonged. And then they said I didn't know multiplication, so they wouldn't skip me, so then I was pissed when we didn't learn multiplication until I hit the year I would have been skipped to. That made it feel like being cheated out of a year twice.

My personality type, and the fact that we moved around so much, meant that I just read a lot and quietly stewed about it. For kids who grew up in the same schools their whole life, and who have less quiet and studious personalities, I imagine that feeling of being cheated would exhibit itself in all sorts of troublesome ways.

There is the opportunity to skip Caleigh ahead a year, too.  I doubt Mara would have ever been skipped, because she's smart, but wasn't very focused in school.  And she wouldn't have been willing to leave her friends behind since friendships were always more important to her than education.

However, she definitely would have fought to leave school early if she could.  But I'm still researching her posts to see what her timeline is so we'll see if it's even needed.

So I asked Maggie when she got married.  She said it was a whirlwind romance with an old high school boyfriend and spontaneous marriage at the age of 25.  I did the math AFTER coming up with the age; it would have been in 2014, and is exactly 5 years prior to the date (Feb 2019) I'd chosen to start writing the Trifecta novels (I'm wondering if it would be more fun to call them the "Irish Triplets" since Logan and Shawn are "Irish Twins" hehe).

Coincidence that she hasn't talked to Logan or Shawn in almost 5 years?  I think not.  I believe (though she won't confirm) that Maggie got married in secret and when the relationship failed, she was too embarrassed to tell anyone and maybe too messed up in the head to deal with it.  So instead of doing the adult thing, she simply found another way out of it and vanished.

I am fairly certain that Maggie didn't tell a soul about the marriage.  And there are a few other things that will remain secret for the time being.  :D

Man. Your characters and their failed marriages. They never seem to cope well. :D

Let's hope Isabella doesn't have another failed marriage, yes? ;)

David says that's never going to happen. He actually seemed a little offended that you would even suggest it.

Lighten up, David, it was a joke. ;D

Just wanted to point out that the "Big City" game the girls played included Ginny.

"Another game they played was "Big City", where the four youngest girls gathered together all of their stuffed animals and built homes for them out of various cupboards and closets in the large Boland house. Rosalind especially liked using Logan's closet for her pink kitten collection, as he seemed to get the most annoyed with pink animals sticking out of his clothes pockets."

Because I need to regroup and figure out where everyone is.

Alex: Notes: Has a lot of unfinished threads going. Britt, we need to discuss these.
     Current time: July 7, 2018. Status - Active: Heading to NYC. Unknown whether Rori is traveling with him. Future: Unknown.

Alexis: Notes: On hold until everyone can catch up. Next thread starts with the rehearsal dinner. Following that are Bella's bachelorette and David's bachelor's parties, and then finally the wedding. A reception will follow, and then later that week, the family will fly to Ohio for the Hofman reception.
     Current time: December 16, 2018 - Eagle Falls, Texas. Status - Inactive: Sitting in limbo waiting for the wedding to start. Future: She has Mara to talk and make up to. Then, once the wedding is in progress, Alexis will finally get the courage to talk to Derrick about their relationship.  She's already decided getting married is what she wants more than her career and has some surprises for him.

Amy: Notes: Had a plot where she was kidnapped by crazy people. 90% chance I'm dropping that plot.
     Current time: May 31, 2018 Status - Semi-active: Secondary character in Heaven Jane/Irvyn plot. Future: Vague plans to involve her in a massive hurricane. 2019.

Araceli: Notes: Part of the Jack-Maleena-Greg plot, which needs to be re-evaluated.
     Current time: September 8, 2018 Status - Inactive: Awaiting plot resumption. Future: Become mommy to a kid that isn't hers.

Caleb: Notes: Is he gonna go for Zoe at all or should we drop that side plot?</b>
     Current time: April 2018 Status - Inactive: Future:

Chloe: Notes: So. Many. Unfinished. Threads.
     Current time: April 7, 2018 Status - Dormant: Trapped in limbo with Cedric in Canada. Future: *stares at Britt*

Chuck: Notes: Plan was to have Eric go after the people who put him in prison but with Britt MIA, I'm not sure that will happen now.
     Current time: July 17, 2018 Status - Inactive: In Canada with Heiki. Future: Unknown

Dane: Notes: Now a widower. Poor Dane.
     Current time: July 7, 2018 Status - Active: Awaiting Britt's return from NYC Future: Unknown

Daniela: Notes: Are we going to play out her clothing date with Leigha? Also, when should Kiley visit New York to see her show?
     Current time: March 2018 Status - Inactive: Future:

Daphne: Notes:
     Current time: February 2019 Status - Inactive: Future:

Ellie: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Semi-active: Future:

Eva: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Active: Future:

Fiona: Notes: No longer needed.
     Current time: Status - Retired: Available to be revived, but unlikely. Future: No plans at all.

Greg: Notes: No longer needed as far as I know.
     Current time: Completed Status - Retired: Possibly revived in the future threads, but unlikely. Future: No plans.

Heaven Jane: Notes: A one-off storyline to make Sopha's head hurt.
     Current time: May 31, 2018 Status - Active: Awaiting Sopha's return. Future: Once thread is complete, there are no future plans for her.

Ian: Notes: To be relegated to NPC status once current thread is complete.
     Current time: Status - Semi-active: Secondary character in Isla thread. Future: No future plans.

Isabella: Notes: On hold until everyone can catch up. Next thread starts with the rehearsal dinner. Following that are Bella's bachelorette and David's bachelor's parties, and then finally the wedding. A reception will follow, and then later that week, the family will fly to Ohio for the Hofman reception.
     Current time: December 16, 2018 - Eagle Falls, Texas. Status - Inactive: Sitting in limbo waiting for the wedding to start. Future: Wedding! Dun-dun-da-dum, dun-dum-da-dum. No plans beyond the wedding.

Jack: Notes: Has multiple storylines that need to be sorted out.
     Current time: April 2018 Status - Semi-active: Secondary character in Kate's thread. Future:

Jessa: Notes: Future character.
     Current time: Same time frame as Selah. Status - Inactive: Future: Visit Ohio with her children.

Jonah: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Jonas: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Kalea: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Active: Future:

Karey: Notes: Unfinished thread and plot with Britt & Sopha
     <b>Current time: Status - Inactive: Future: *bores holes through Britt*

Keran: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Konnui: Notes: UNFINISHED THREAD BRITTANY FAYE GREEN
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Mara: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Marco: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Mark: Notes:
     Current time: September 2017 or March 2018 Status - Inactive: Future:

Matt: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Miranda: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Dormant: No current plot. Future:

Natalie: Notes: Hey, look at that. Another unfinished thread...
     Current time: Nov 2, 2017 Status - Dormant: Was in a thread where she saw victims of the tsunami and wanted to volunteer. Future: She needs to complete her thread in order for her to heal from the death of her daughter. Once completed, character will be retired.

Niccolo: Notes:
     Current time: March 2018 Status - Active: Future:

Rachel: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Roman: Notes:
     Current time: April 2018 Status - Active: Future:

Rosalind: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Inactive:. Future:

Selah: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Active: Future:

Tahlia: Notes:
     Current time: March 20, 2018 Status - Inactive: Future:

Vin: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Abby: Notes: NPC
     Current time: Status - Dormant: No current plot. Future:

Adam: Notes: NPC
     Current time: Status - Semi-active: Future:

Asya: Notes: NPC
     Current time: Status - Dormant: No current plot. Future:

Diora: Notes: NPC
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Erica: Notes: NPC
     Current time: Status - Semi-active: Future:

Laura: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Maggie: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Malcolm: Notes: NPC
     Current time: Status - Dormant: No current plot. Future:

Morgan: Notes:
     Current time: Status- Inactive: Future:

Naomi: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Penny: Notes: NPC
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Perri: Notes: NPC
     Current time: February 2019 Status - Inactive: Future:

Pete: Notes: NPC
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Trey: Notes: NPC
     Current time: Status - Inactive: Future:

Xavier: Notes: NPC
     Current time: Status - Dormant: No current plot. Future: BRAIN DEATH

Zazu: Notes: NPC
     Current time: Status - Dormant: No current plot. Future:
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For the same reason, I'll get around to doing this.

Caleigh: Notes: We worked out gypsy timing issues in Skype. If we need the reference in the future, 5/8/14
     Current time: April 2018 Status - Active: Future: Falling in love with Roman while healing from surprise divorce.
Cili: Notes:
     Current time:  March 2018Status - Semi-active: Side character in Caleigh's plot Future: Outing Roman as a gypsy, finding a way to be there when Claudia is kidnapped.
Claudia: Notes: She likes to see Keran with his shirt off.
     Current time:March or April 2018 Status - Semi-active: Future: Getting married, I think.
Costin: Notes:  Begging to get out.
     Current time:  April 2018Status – Not Active Yet: Future: Getting dumped, maybe kidnapping a chick.
David: Notes:
     Current time:  December 2018? Status - Inactive: Waiting for wedding stuff Future:  Getting hitched to a beautiful blonde
Derrick: Notes:
     Current time:November 2018 Status - Inactive:Waiting for wedding stuff Future: Hotel reservation mixups
Devon: Notes:
     Current time: November 2018 Status - Inactive: Future: Thanksgiving dinner, fights about work, I can't remember what's after that but I know he almost loses Hana
Finn: Notes: Side character with Logan/Daphne plot, and has his own plot.
     Current time: December 2018 and February 2019 Status - Active: Future:  Falling for a girl all the way across the country and trying not to let it end his movie career
Ginnifer: Notes:
     Current time: Status – Not active yet: Future: She gets high, someone dies, etc, etc.
Hannah: Notes:  Side character in Daphne/Logan
     Current time: 2019ish Status - Semi-active: Future: She'll be getting a plot with her boss' brother at some point.
Ivan Jr: Notes:
     Current time: ? No threads up currentlyStatus - Inactive: Future: His not-really-his kid needs to be dumped on him.
Katelynn: Notes:
     Current time:April 2018 Status - Active: Future: Near death, then the bad guy goes to jail and she concentrates on getting into the class that's going to Greece in the summer
Katerina: Notes:  Unfinished thread with guess who! Britt!
     Current time:  March 2018Status - Inactive: Future:  Potentially, more torture, followed by her summer abroad in France. I also read something about feathering an entire wing of the dorms over spring break
Kiley: Notes:
     Current time: March 2018? Status - Inactive: Side character in the Alero stuff and Mark/Sash Future:
Klarissa: Notes:
     Current time:April 2018 Status - Semi-active: Future: Having a baby
Kyra: Notes:  So, Sopha. . . Kyra says she'd love to get back together with Anthony. So there's a potential plot there if he's interested.
     Current time: February 2019 Status - Inactive: Side character in Daphne/Logan Future:
Leigha: Notes:
     Current time: March 2018Status - Active:  Future: Some dating, then being proposed to.
Lilith: Notes:
     Current time: February 2019 Status - Semi-active: Protagonist for Logan Future:
Logan: Notes:
     Current time: Status - Active: Future: Dating
Maleena: Notes:
     Current time: ? Status - Inactive: Future: Having a baby and giving it away
Rebekah: Notes:
     Current time: ? Status - Inactive: Future: Cute kid stuff
Sascha: Notes:
     Current time: March 2018? Status - Semi-active: Future: Getting to know Mark
Shawn: Notes:
     Current time: April 2018 Status - Semi-active: Side character in Selah's plot. His plot has not begun yet. Future:
Tendaji: Notes:
     Current time: July 2018Status - Active: Future: World travel
Zoe: Notes:
     Current time: April 2018? Status - Inactive: Future:
Olivia: Notes:
     Current time: ? Status - Inactive: Future: In a couple years, she'll be ready to meet Christian and start their relationship
Gizi: Notes:
     Current time: April 2018? Status - Inactive: Future: Daughter gets kidnapped eventually. Helping with wedding plans in the meantime
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Tendaji & Renee - Since they will be together at least 5 months before Tendaji finds out who she really is, I propose that we have a minimum of two scenes for each month, each of us plans one.  I already have two scenes prepared for July, so whether yours is including the current scene or not is up to you. (By scenes I mean... events? Not always just one scene).

Renee: Notes: Renee now has quite an involved storyline. Serves me right for allowing a one-off character to take over brain function.
     Current time: July 9, 2018 Status - Active: Currently in Los Angeles with Tendaji

Future:
July - Current scene, surprise trip to Cairo (event 1) with an even more surprising day trip to NYC (not rped).

August - Trip to Japan, Tendaji wants to do martial arts there.

September - Trip to Hawaii, Renee gets recognized at the airport (event 3).

Late September - Trip to Jerusalem, Tendaji's idea.

October - Trip to San Francisco, Renee acquiesces to Tendaji's wanting to do something meaningful and she reluctantly goes with him to volunteer at a soup kitchen (event 4).

November 10th - Trip to the Caribbean, Renee's true identity is revealed (event 5). Tendaji will likely be angry and upset and turn colder and more professional towards Renee. Renee's guilt over Tendaji's reaction leads her to cut the world trip short and sends him home shortly before Thanksgiving.

January 22nd - Renee will show up to Tendaji's custody hearing, testify on his behalf (and lie her ass off on the stand, tsk, tsk) and then disappear. Backstory is that she's fallen off the wagon and started doing hardcore drugs and partying. But four days prior to the hearing, she entered detox (though she left early to testify). She has scheduled herself to enter rehab straight from the courthouse.

The next time Tendaji sees her will be on television as she fends off reporters in front of a courthouse. Because of her father's notoriety, the impromptu press conference and resulting uproar will be broadcast nationally. This is when she reveals some aspects of her life that he would not have known and may possibly induce him to come to Maryland looking for her. If he does not, she will turn up in Los Angeles looking for him.
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Renee, Jess & Ginny - This is for the future rehab thread. The timing depends on when Tendaji's custody hearing is. I'm thinking no later than April 2019 but sooner is better. This program is 30 days (some are 21, some are 28, some are 30. Others are 60 and 90 also). Also, some programs require detox prior to admittance, others have detox programs in-house. I suggest that for easier rping, we leave the detox parts off-screen.

Jess: Notes: Needs to finish her week in Florida with the Gauthiers and Jenna. I'm not sure how it will end.
     Current time: March 20, 2018 Status - Inactive: Currently in Florida with Tali, Jenna and Blake. Future: Rehab in California after an arrest (2019). Dependent on Renee's storyline, but most likely January 3, 2019.

Renee: Notes: See above post.
     Current time: July 9, 2018 Status - Active: See above post. Future: See above post.

Ginnifer: Notes:
     Current time:   Status - Not yet active: Future: She gets high, someone dies, etc, etc.

Facility: Unnamed as of yet. Staff: Main Dr. (internist/addiction medicine specialist), Counselor (therapist), 2 Resident Techs (runs the floor, 1 night & 1 day tech). Also employs psychiatrists, who may or may not be rp'ed. Can hold up to 12 patients per wing (2 per room), each wing is run independent of each other. For story purposes, minimum will be 8 patients, including our 3. Male and female patients are mixed together, only rooms are segregated by sex. If you're feeling adventurous, we can fully populate our wing, but not necessary. You get 4-6 patient roles, 1 tech, and either the Dr. or Counselor.

Schedule:

Daily schedules: To come

Day 1: Intake - talk with Dr. & counselor, meet other patients, get room & meet roommates.
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Day 15ish: Family weekend.
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Day 30: Graduation for 30-day program
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Maggie, Laura and Kyle

Maggie: Notes: Needs a timeline to make sure everything meshes with book plot and end-of-curse plot
     Current time: April 2019 Status - Active: Has been visiting Kyle in Ann Arbor. Future: See timeline when complete.

Laura: Notes: Also needs a timeline to make sure everything meshes with book plot and end-of-curse plot.
     Current time: April 2019 Status - Active: Showed up with Maggie to Ann Arbor, but actually has her own plot to... plot. Future: See timeline when complete.

Kyle: Notes: Should probably be filled in by Tori?
     Current time: April 2019 Status - Active: Maggie's been pestering him in Ann Arbor. Future: Again. Tori-fill.

So far...

Visit one - Thursday, ten days after agreeing to Sister Swap (Apr 4)
Visit two - Friday, eight days after visit one (Apr 12)
Visit three - Monday, three days after visit two (Apr 15)
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in the future thread

Kale and Natalie:
     Lara Malana, June 18, 2010 (?)

Noe and Niko:
     Kai Elena, April 15, 2019 (Sopha) - DENISE STEALING
     Willa Leilani, June 21, 2024 (Britt)

Kalea and Hugo:
     Julian Emmanuel
     Sebastian Dane

Alex and Rori:
     Jocelyn Kalani, November 3, 2018 (Brittany)
     twins Devlin Analu & Robyn Ilana, March 15, 2021 (? & Denise)

Nalu and Ellie:
     twins Lanakila and Mika, December 26, 2016 (Brittany & Denise)
     Keoni Pauo'le, May 19, 2018 (Sopha)  - DENISE STEALING
     Hanalei Kulani (Deb)
     Malie Alana (Tori), 2026

Chuck and Heiki
     1 girl (Deb)
     1 boy (boy in the middle - Sopha)
     1 girl (Tori)

Konnui and Maya:
     Akoni Na'auao, Nov 2, 2018 (?)
     adopted Tyler Jordan, July 7, 2014. (One is Brittany)

Polly:
     1 boy
     1 boy

Adrian idk

Cedric and Chloe:
     1 boy

Renee and Tendaji:
     Mosi [middle name] (Deb)
     1 boy
     1 girl (Denise)
     1 boy
     1 boy

Pete and Bridget:
     1 boy
     1 boy
     1 boy

Jesse Morales: 0
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Please start calling dibs on who you want to write :D

PUT IN YOUR CLAIMS GUYS! Otherwise, I'm gonna start claiming more...MUAHAHAHAHHAA.

I already claimed 3. I'm not going to start off with more than that. I still want to keep playing the current stuff and if I go all in with 10 future people, that's like guaranteed overwhelm.

In reply to Deb (msg # 35):

Do you want Malie or Hanalei? I don't know how much you care about names. But I'd like to know so I can separate them and give them dates.

Hanalei

FF year: 2042? places the youngest at 16 if born in 2026 and makes it 25 years from 2017.

Sounds good to me!

See, now, why would Niko ask a question he doesn't actually want to know the answer to?! Lol

hahahahahah she doesn't have to tell him

New plot discussion.

As of last night's epiphany, we have a nice interesting plot to start hashing out. The premise is that Nalu and Ellie's youngest daughter (Tori's character) was kidnapped many years ago. She is found and returned to her parents (basically the premise of Finding Carter).

Questions I would like your answers on (don't feel compelled to agree with everyone else's answers):

1. How old should she be when she's kidnapped? Newborn from hospital? Toddler? Small child? She won't know she's been kidnapped, so it'll have to be at an age where she's too young to remember.

2. Who is the kidnapper? She could be a nurse at the hospital, a crazy neighbor, that kind of thing.

3. Did she keep her and raise her as her own or did she end up in foster care/adopted/raised by a relative/sold to rich parents?

4. Anything else you can think of.

She'll be 16ish when she is returned. Everything else is up for debate.

Too bad crazy ass Meli isn't still alive

MAYBE SHE IS!

Just kidding. She's worm food.

I think it should be a nurse/social worker that takes her as a newborn (or a toddler if she gets sick with something half-serious as a babe). Someone with a friend/loved one who had an adoption fall through who might see their family and think "They have so many. I'm helping them. It' a win-win." And someone who would also know how to bypass the hospital's security measures.

I like Deb's idea

Okay. I'm working on a post with all my characters listed and where their plots are and such. I was going to just put in dates for where their convos were in skype, but the convos are saved on the individual machines. So since we've got several new computers in the mix, the safest way to get that info is to move it to here. So I'll be putting up skype transcripts and then putting up my listing of characters.

Sotalia: I read the end of joandtheboys and had an epiphany
I know who Jo ends up with and why
not that I'm going to tell you
Debra: you're so mean.
Sotalia: but I know for 100% certainty
Debra: just make sure you write it down so you don't forget before we get there.
I can't remember what it was, but I remember something else you were keeping secret and things didn't finish and I asked you about it later and you had no idea anymore.
Sotalia: if you give me a compelling enough reason to tell you I will XD
Debra: well, the only reason I can think of for telling me, is so I can work on timeline stuff to figure out how old oops baby is.
Sotalia: do you really want to know or is it a "I want to know but I really don't but I really do" kind of thing?
Debra: somewhere in between. it's been 5 or so years since we started writing them. It would be nice to know the "end"
Sotalia: ok so then I'll just torture you by giving you clues and making you figure it out lol
the revelation goes back to Jo and who she gelled with in Monterey
and who she didn't
and then I had to confirm some things by reading the end
Debra: specific people in monterey or just general categories?
Sotalia: specific people
specifically my specific people
Debra: like diora and trey vs malcolm and gia?
Sotalia: sort of, but not the crazy ones
Debra: I was trying to think of your characters that she didn't get along with and those were the only two I could think of.
Sotalia: Ah. It's less who she didn't get along with, and more who she got along with *better*
She and Trey were buds, got along fantastically. And I suspect that if it weren't for other people getting into the mix, they would have ended up together
Debra: I suspect that as well.
Sotalia: She also got along with Marco. They nearly did hook up. They *could* have ended up together... but they didn't.
Now, there were extenuating circumstances that went along with their brief relationship. Mainly, they were both grieving and the timing wasn't that great.
Debra: yes
Sotalia: But, I also wonder if that would have made a difference had it been Trey instead of Marco
Debra: I don't know that it would. mostly, she trusted trey more than marco.
she's definitely ending up with ash. as soon as you said marco and trey, I started to see how much they both have in common with the blair brothers.
Sotalia: :D
that's exactly what gave me the aha moment
Debra: right down to her being attracted to marco physically but annoyed by him personally when they first met.
Sotalia: I thought, she would have most definitely ended up with Trey had they had the opportunity. And the reason is because Trey is a goofy, light-hearted guy who doesn't mind being dominated by his woman. Marco, on the other hand, is more serious, more dark. And he hates being dominated.
Debra: even if you go non-romantic (sort of) and bring in diora, she almost immediately connects with the black sheep.
Sotalia: yes
Debra: she *can* connect with the responsible ones, but it takes a hell of a lot longer and isn't as strong.
Sotalia: So personality-wise, she connected with Ash almost instantly. Logan took a while for her to warm up to, and re-reading the end, she *still* hadn't connected with him completely.
But she  never lost it with Ash
and even more compelling is his instant connection with Sash
they connected even quicker and deeper than he and Jorah
which would intensify how badly his absence would affect her as a child
And the final piece is Logan
I can keep that part to myself if you wish
Debra: no. I'm intensely curious now.
Sotalia: okay
Logan is a lot more serious and down-to-earth, but he's also much more of a romantic.
He's the marriage-2.5 kids-house-with-a-white-picket-fence-and-two-dogs-and-a-cat-kind-of-guy
He took over his father's business after he died with no hesitation. He works hard to keep that business. He stresses over losing it.
Debra: yes. staying with jo would eventually be a happiness-compromise for him.
Sotalia: He's the kind of man who needs to be stable and secure
Jo doesn't want the same things. That wouldn't necessarily be a deal-breaker for him.
But what is a deal-breaker is when he realizes that Jo and Ash have a deeper connection than he and Jo do
He loves Jo, he loves his brother
Deep down, he knows Jo can't give him the stability and security he craves
So he will step aside and break up with Jo so that she and Ash can have a go at it
The drawback is that Ash doesn't require stability so it's easier for him to be gone for long periods of time
Debra: this is funny to me since originally, you expected it to go the other way
Sotalia: I thought it would but after realizing about Jo and Trey and Jo and Marco, I realized that she and Logan wouldn't last long
Debra: you were so sure she'd end up with logan until we got into it all
Sotalia: She will end up with Logan
just not long-term
Debra: true
Sotalia: but yes, I originally thought she might end up with Logan. Then I wasn't sure anymore.
I re-read him playing with Sash, too, and realized that Logan never connected at all with her
Ash got on the floor and played monster-smash with her
Debra: I think he enjoyed it more than she did.
Sotalia: hahaha
Debra: but even though logan was able to do the fairy water thing, that didn't require him to actually connect with her.
Sotalia: and he didn't. he likened it to a bargaining tool
not that he didn't like Sash, he just didn't connect with her
Interestingly enough, Ash would also have stepped aside for Logan
in fact, that was the original plan
Debra: he technically did. when he came back and found out they were together and he chose not to throw a fit and demand that she ditch logan for him.
Sotalia: true
and by the end of the rp, he'd gotten a job in Scotland, too
so even without all the personality and romantic stuff, he's in a better position to be the "abandoner"
Debra: so basically, we just have to figure out how long logan and jo would last in order to plug in the oops baby into the situation.
the oops baby is somewhat tricky just because we have to keep in mind Jo's age when we're figuring it out.
Sotalia: you think the oops baby is logan's and not ash's?
that would make the situation even more interesting
Debra: well, I wasn't really thinking that it was logan's rather than ash's. though, for a tiny moment, I considered how complicated it would be if she ended up sleeping with both brothers close enough that they wouldn't be sure who the father was. like, breakup sex and then comfort sex and then she's knocked up and who knows? but there'd be no real resolution to that. because as twins, there would be no way to determine which of them was the father with a paternity test.
so that's maybe *too* complicated.
Sotalia: well that wasn't my thought when I said that but that would definitely be very complicated
Debra: I was just thinking we need to know how long jo and logan last because that tells us a minimum age that sash would be when the oops baby came along.
Sotalia: I was thinking of that too
Debra: if they're together 5 years, she's minimum 7 or 8. If they're together 10 years, she's almost an adult (and I'm not sure Jo would still be fertile or if she was, it would definitely be a high-risk pregnancy)
Sotalia: I don't think it would be 10 years though
Debra: me neither. it was just a round number.
Sotalia: I'd say he'd know within 2 years
another year-ish to decide whether to leave
Ash won't be a big presence in the US because he won't have any reason to come back
of course if Logan's going to step aside, maybe he doesn't figure it out and try to decide
maybe Ash comes back for some reason and he realizes it then
in any case, I'm saying 2-ish years before Ash is back in the picture
Debra: okay.
Sotalia: Once he does, once he knows there's a reason to be in the US, he'll start fighting to come back. It'll take a bit to get to come back
how old is Jo at the point of Ash & Logan?
Debra: she was, I think 27 when she went to srp. So she would have been 28 when she had Sash. That would make her 30 when she met them.
So we've got a good decade to work with. though,they consider pregnancies with mothers 35+ to be high risk. But that just gives him another reason to stay put with the new baby. If Jo ends up on bed rest or something, she'd need him there, rather than being okay with him off somewhere else.
I definitely want Sash to be close to 10 (or older) for the oops baby.
It needs to be a big enough gap to make it feel almost like two families. and I know I feel more like Loris is my kid than my sister (though she feels more like my sister the older she gets).
I was 11 when she was born.
I totally have this image in my head of Mark meeting Sash's family and she's all "This is my mom's other kid," and then he's like "Uh, wouldn't that make her your sister?" And her response is "Nah. She's got a different dad."
Sotalia: Ok, so it looks like the wait for an immigration visa averages around 6 years for professionals with degrees, if they have a company that is willing to sponsor them. So with the 2-3 years with Logan, that places it around 9-ish years until he's able to remain in the US. (I know actual times vary but we'll go with the average)
Logan will hire him back once he knows
so once he's able to come back with the immigration visa, that will be cause for celebration
then Hai Oops Baby!!
Debra: our poor characters are just never allowed to celebrate.
Sotalia: hahaha
Debra: isn't that how Klarissa came along?
Sotalia: probably. and Claudia I think
Debra: claudia was celebration plus antibiotics
Sotalia: so in the intervening 6 years, his absences will be because he can only get short-term visas
then 6-month work visas until he can get an immigration visa
but Sash, being so young, won't understand that
Debra: ah. bureaucracy. you make it so easy to make life difficult for our characters.
Sotalia: hahaha
better than the 24 years it takes for the average, non-descript Josef to get an immigration visa
so after he finally gets his immigration visa, he and Jo will celebrate. Oops baby comes and now Sash thinks he's only staying because of his baby. She'll be old enough to make that faulty connection but still too young to understand the real reason why.
Debra: or too angry to believe them when they tell her the reason why
Sotalia: so now Sash has daddy issues and daddy abandonment issues (abandoned by three fathers, no less), she'll be at the right age for it to cause some sexuality issues, sibling jealousy, and whatever else comes along
anger issues
you know, we make terrific dysfunctional soups
Debra: and all of that without Jo having to be a bad mom.
Sotalia: and without Ash having to be a bad father-figure
Debra: Jo could be June Cleaver in that situation and Sash still gets to be a mess.
Sotalia: hahaha
it's interesting then that she ends up falling for a guy who also has immigration issues
and daddy issues
Debra: hahah
Sotalia: it's like she's dating a really angry Ash
Debra: only she's willing to marry him.
no waiting around for 6 years for her man to be with her in the US
Sotalia: maybe because deep down she's starting to believe the story and wants to punish her mother for not marrying Ash to make it easier
because with marriage, he would have gotten his immigration visa within a year
Debra: though, I'm imagining how lovely it would be to sit at their family reunions. scottish accent over here, italian over there. . . sounds like a great time.
Sotalia: hahahaha
Debra: 1 yr versus 6 yrs is a huge difference. especially for a kid.
and since she never met her dad, she wouldn't understand Jo's insistence on keeping him as her only husband.
after a few years, I think even Jo would start to question it. Since getting married doesn't necessarily mean changing your name. But she's just traditional enough that she wouldn't marry him without changing it, and keeping Sassy's name is 90%of the reason she doesn't want to get married again.
Sotalia: And Ash wouldn't push it because marriage isn't a priority
Debra: it's been a good night. I understand sash so much better
Sotalia: yay!
Debra: I hate when my characters behave in ways I don't understand.
even if the reasons she acted that way had more to do with me not knowing enough about her history or her, rather than actually because I didn't understand.

I adjusted things from the last time this list was posted. I will also be posting all the plotting-convos I find in Skype. So far, I'm up to July 2014 in convos with just Nisey. Haven't decided if I'm going to go through other convos to gather plot talk.

Caleigh: Notes: We worked out gypsy timing issues in Skype. Conversation will be posted later.
     Current time: April 2018 Status - Active: Future: Falling in love with Roman while healing from surprise divorce. Two potential scenes: trip to the farmers market, next Spontaneous Day
Cili: Notes:
     Current time:  March 2018Status - Semi-active: Side character in Caleigh's plot Future: Outing Roman as a gypsy, finding a way to be there when Claudia is kidnapped.
Claudia: Notes: She likes to see Keran with his shirt off.
     Current time:June 15, 2018 Status - Semi-active: Future: Planning a wedding
Costin: Notes:  Begging to get out.
     Current time:  April 2018Status – Not Active Yet: Future: Getting dumped, maybe kidnapping a chick.
David: Notes:
     Current time:  December 2018 Status – Begging to be Active: Wedding stuff Future:  Getting hitched to a beautiful blonde
Derrick: Notes:
     Current time:December 2018 Status – Ready for Active: Wedding stuff Future: Hotel reservation mixups
Devon: Notes:
     Current time: December 2018 Status – Active-ish: Wedding Stuff Future: Bella's wedding. Fights about work and such. Then the baby mama plot that leads out of the country to interrupt a wedding.
Finn: Notes: Side character with Logan/Daphne plot, and has his own plot.
     Current time: December 2018 and February 2019 Status - Active: Future:  Falling for a girl all the way across the country and trying not to let it end his movie career
Ginnifer: Notes:
     Current time: Status – Becoming Active: Future: Rehab. I'll go back and write the backstory later.
Hannah: Notes:  Side character in Daphne/Logan
     Current time: 2019ish Status - Semi-active: Future: She'll be getting a plot with her boss' brother at some point. Maybe.
Ivan Jr: Notes:
     Current time: Mid-September 2018Status – Could be more active Future: Coping with single-fatherhood.
Katelynn: Notes:
     Current time:Late April 2018 Status - Active: Future: Trying not to bang Kyrian in Greece, some more stalking, eventually the bad guy gets caught somehow or other, then back home to New York to finish her semester so she can go back to Greece with her class in the summer.
Katerina: Notes:  Unfinished scene with Cameron
     Current time:  March 2018Status - Inactive: Future:  I'll probably just skip to her summer in France unless Nisey wants to torture her with Jonah some more. I'm also wondering if she's ever going to figure out that he was paid to torture her?
Kiley: Notes:
     Current time: March 2018? Status - Inactive: Side character in the Alero stuff and Mark/Sash Future:
Klarissa: Notes:
     Current time:April 2018 Status - Semi-active: Future: Having a baby
Kyra: Notes:  Her plot potential is wide open.
     Current time: February 2019 Status - Inactive: Side character in Daphne/Logan Future:
Leigha: Notes:
     Current time: March 2018Status - Active:  Future: Some dating, then being proposed to.
Lilith: Notes:
     Current time: February 2019 Status - Semi-active: Protagonist for Logan Future:
Logan: Notes:
     Current time:February 2019 Status - Active: Future: Dating Daphne
Maleena: Notes:
     Current time: ? Status - Inactive: Future: Being the perfect arm-candy for Greg during his political campaigns
Rebekah: Notes:
     Current time: June 2018 Status - Inactive: Future: Cute kid stuff
Sascha: Notes:
     Current time: March 2018? Status - Semi-active: Future: Getting to know Mark
Shawn: Notes:
     Current time: June 2018 Status - Semi-active:  Future: Bonding with Jessa's girls
Tendaji: Notes:
     Current time: July 2018Status - Active: Future: World travel
Zoe: Notes:
     Current time: April 2018? Status - Inactive: Future:
Olivia: Notes:
     Current time: ? Status - Inactive: Future: In a couple years, she'll be ready to meet Christian and start their relationship
Gizi: Notes:
     Current time: June 2018Status - Inactive: Future: Daughter gets kidnapped eventually. Helping with wedding plans in the meantime
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