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This message was last updated by the GM at 04:56, Sat 13 Dec 2014.

Oh yeah, we've got this going.

Jazal bows to hit opponent and takes a much more offensive stance than usual. His voice is harsh and unforgiving with Jonny unlike with all his other competitors. "Ready to meet your end once more, unholy creature?"

Round: prep 1 and 2
FREE            : Speak
SWIFT/IMMEDIATE : -
STANDARD        : Take offensive stance.
MOVE            : -
FULL            : -

INITIATIVE      : 20
START POSITION  : A1
END POSITION    : A1
ARMOR CLASS     : 31
      TOUCH     : 18
         FF     : 28
EFFECTS (rounds):
Calm Emotions (20 feet) - DC15 will save to negate or be affected by Calm Emotions
Shatter Blade (on hit) - weapon makes a DC15 Fort save or weapon shatters on impact, dealing no damage

DAMAGE TAKEN    : 0
DAMAGE DEALT    : 0
VISIBLE GEAR    : Cloths, fists, claws and teeth, Quarterstaff, Wooden Holy Symbol
ROLLS           :

18:58, Today: Jazal Elderstraught rolled 20 using 1d20+3. initiative.

OOC: Oh yeah. Oops. >_> Anyways, you go first!

Johnny Slim strides into the arena, a bit of his pride coming back, along with a bit of swagger in his step. He listens politely to his foe's snarling comment. "Perhaps, perhaps not. I must admit, I'm not rather fond of dragonflesh, it tastes like biting into a bar of iron. This won't provide me any... sustenance anyways, so this is more for fun than anything. And by fun, I mean money, as I'm getting some either way." He finishes his prebattle ritual, and examines his foe carefully. "Bronze, right? That gives me something to work with..."

Prep Round #1:

SWIFT           : Activate Stance
FREE            : Knowledge Devotion
STANDARD        : Activate Eyepatch

Prep round #2:

FREE            : Activate Boots
FREE            : Activate Whirling Frenzy


INITIATIVE      : 13

START POSITION  : J10

END POSITION    : J10

ARMOR CLASS     : 23
      TOUCH     : 19
         FF     : 16

EFFECTS (Time)  : Stance    (--)
                  Eyepatch  (1 rnd)
                  Boots     (1 rnd)
                  Frenzy    (1 rnd)
                  Tattoo    (1 rnd)

DAMAGE TAKEN    : 0
DAMAGE DEALT    : 0

VISIBLE GEAR    : Spiked Padded Armor, Gauntlets, Boots, Amulet, Eyepatch,
                  Crown, Bandoleer with 9 potions, Tattoo, Sling

ROLLS           : 18:12, Today: Johnny Slim rolled 23 using 1d20+5. Knowledge (Arcana). +2
                  18:09, Today: Johnny Slim rolled 13 using 1d20+4. Initiative.

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1  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
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2  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
3  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
4  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   | E |   |   |
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5  |   |   |   |   |       |   |   |   |   |
   +---+---+---+---+       +---+---+---+---+
6  |   |   |   |   |       |   |   |   |   |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
7  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
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8  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
9  |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |
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10 |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   |   | S |
   +---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+---+
E= Jazal (E)ldertraught
S= Johnny (S)lim

Jazal, taking the initiative, moves forwards quickly and when Johnny is in his sight, unleash a might breath weapon. "Feel Bahamut's wrath!"

Round: 1
FREE            : Speak
SWIFT/IMMEDIATE : -
STANDARD        : Breath weapon attack, 60 foot line of electricity
MOVE            : To H4
FULL            : -

INITIATIVE      : 20
START POSITION  : A1
END POSITION    : H4
ARMOR CLASS     : 31
      TOUCH     : 18
         FF     : 28
EFFECTS (rounds):
Calm Emotions (20 feet) - DC15 will save to negate or be affected by Calm Emotions
Shatter Blade (on hit) - weapon makes a DC15 Fort save or weapon shatters on impact, dealing no damage

DAMAGE TAKEN    : 0
DAMAGE DEALT    : 21 electricity or 10 electricity on successful reflex save
VISIBLE GEAR    : Cloths, fists, claws and teeth, Quarterstaff, Wooden Holy Symbol
ROLLS           :

23:06, Today: Jazal Elderstraught rolled 21 using 6d6. Breath Weapon, DC13 reflex for half.

Johnny nimbly twists out of the brunt of the blast, before launching himself directly at the draconic figure, heedless of danger. Slamming one of his claws into the dragon, and another glancing bite, he attempts to grab Jazal by his robes.

Round #1:

FREE            : --
SWIFT           : --
MOVE            : --
STANDARD        : --
FULL ROUND      : Initiate Battle Leader's Charge; Deals 40 damage, and must make an opposed grapple check DC 28 or... have my Armor Spikes break. @_@

INITIATIVE      : 13

START POSITION  : J10

END POSITION    : H5

ARMOR CLASS     : 21
      TOUCH     : 17
         FF     : 14

EFFECTS (Time)  : Stance    (--)
                  Eyepatch  (2 rnd)
                  Boots     (2 rnd)
                  Frenzy    (2 rnd)
                  Tattoo    (2 rnd)

DAMAGE TAKEN    : 10
DAMAGE DEALT    : 40

VISIBLE GEAR    : Spiked Padded Armor, Gauntlets, Boots, Amulet, Eyepatch,
                  Crown, Bandoleer with 9 potions, Tattoo, Sling

ROLLS           : 21:21, Today: Johnny Slim rolled 14 using 1d20+2. Armor Spikes Fort Save.
                  21:19, Today: Johnny Slim rolled 12 using 1d6+6. Armor Spikes damage for grapple.
                  21:19, Today: Johnny Slim rolled 28 using 1d20+16. Grapple Check to Initiate Grapple.
                  21:18, Today: Johnny Slim rolled 18,22 using 1d4+17,1d6+17. Battle Leader's Charge Claw, Bite damage.
                  21:17, Today: Johnny Slim rolled 29,33,35,19,16 using 1d20+16,1d20+16,1d20+16,1d20+15,1d20+15. Battle Leader's Charge, Claw x2, Bite, Touch Attack to Initiate Grapple x2.
21:09, Today: Johnny Slim rolled 30 using 1d20+11. Reflex Save vs DC 13.

In reply to Jazal Elderstraught (msg # 2):

So i have a question on the validity of pounce + BLC.

BLC's initiation action is a full round action that allows you to make a charge attack as part of the action.
Charging is its own separate full round action.

Can the two actually be combined that way? Or do you actually have to go about declaring a charge to get the benefit of pounce instead of using a maneuver that lets you perform a charge?

If this is totally legit, did you remember that str on secondary weapons is halved, so the damage from your bite should be less that what it is on your claw.

Finally, do you have anything that prevents me from taking an AoO against you for trying to initiate a grapple with me?

Pounce's wording is such that it applies to the end of any charge, whether from the 'Charge' special attack option, or alternative ways of initiating a charge. This includes Battle Jump, Battle Leader's Charge and the rest of that line, and... well, those are the only ways I can think to change the 'action' of a charge, even though BLC is a separate full round action. BLC says 'as part of this maneuver, you charge an opponent', thus, it's a charge. Other effects, like a lance's damage bonus while mounted or some Leap Attack shenanigans would also come into effect. (Actually, mounted charging might be weird because the mounted combat rules are absolutely absurd, but that's a completely different issue.)

As for the damage, they're both calculated as a secondary attack. The touch attacks are the 'primary', and thus all other natural weapons are shunted to secondary, with the corresponding damage drop.

And yes, I have Improved Grapple.

I think another question to ask here is whether or not the extra damage applies to each attack.

Honestly, it's your call here. 3.5 really falls apart when you combine things in unorthodox ways, so it's a GM call here. Personally, I could go either way. Precedent for pounce seems to be to replace most singular wording with a plural wording, as otherwise it leads to... silliness, however in this case I won't push it. It was a very major component of my build, and the reason I changed my character around like I did, but I guess I can work around it.

Oh, and I noticed something about the wording of Armor Spikes.



So it essentially adds 1d6 to the damage of my grapple, rather than replacing my unarmed strike. So the actual damage from the grapple would've been 1d3 (unarmed strike damage) + 10 (damage bonus) + 6 (armor spikes damage) + 1 (amulet of mighty fists), or 1d3+17, and as it's not the weapon dealing the damage, Vow of Peace wouldn't break/block it.

Well, i guess i'll ask if the damage applies to all attack, that was my next question following that charging pounce thing.thing.

Due to Battle Leader's Charge only adding 10 damage total to a successful charge, Jazal would take 30 damage total.

Jazal, please use the PM thread for any questions regarding this match and we'll try to clear it up.

I'm going to go ahead and forfeit. Its been well over 48 hours since any post at all, not to mention my sudden disappearance for over a month.

Jazal is ECL 7 and used no consumables

Interestingly enough, the GM's are still in lively discussion about how BLC and pounce mesh.

You could certainly request a no-post warning for your opponent rather than forfeiting.

Well, it's actually my turn so if anyone is receiving the no post warning, its me. But if you guys are really still in discussion on that, then i guess i'll stick it out untill theres a final conclusion. there's not much to Jazal beyond "Punch it."

not to mention the results of you guy's discussion will determine if Jazal lives or dies. :P
This message was last edited by the player at 17:02, Wed 18 Feb 2015.