OOC: We shall see how long this method lasts

Against the Giants Adventure:
    100,000 XPs base and a 25,000 XP bonus for game play.  You did not just go thru fighting everything in sight.  The interactions with some of the NPC was great and the peaceful exchange with the Fire giants was unexpected and twisted the plot a little.
   In summary 125,000 XPs for all.

The other ways to gain experience:
   Gain 10xp for every hit point lost
   Gain 50xp per level of spell cast
   200/polymorphed - caused by an adversary
   250/level drain from monster/spell/item
   500/stoning - you actually became stone not smoked some exotic weed.
   5000 xps/death (characters own death)

--DM2

So fun question is are you adding up the additional  experience points or do we need to go back through the text and figure it out?

In reply to Ez'ard (msg # 2):

Yeah, I let the players take car of tracking.  Most people tend to forget about it .. even me.

Sometimes I give out a standard addition XP (class based) if you rather would not go back through.

--DM2

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 3):

Understood, now I know. I will run through everything sometime today (I hope).

Does use of magical items (rings, wands, etc) count as spell casting?

In reply to Ez'ard (msg # 5):

Does Warwick go back to the beginning of his level in terms of experience for having lost a level as a fighter and a cleric?

In reply to Warwick (msg # 6):

No, you regain what you lost, to the exact spot XP wise.

--DM2

In reply to Ez'ard (msg # 5):

No, only spells that are actually cast by the character.

--DM2

Ez’ard gains a level on the thief side from 12 to 13 and gains an additional hit point (60 to 61). Will update the bio shortly. Need to review training requirements and what changes to thief stats if any occur.

Do you want details or just updating the character sheet?

In reply to Ez'ard (msg # 10):

Mostly just the char sheet.  What details are you referring?

--DM2

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 11):

700xp from taken hits (split)
650xp from Spells cast for mage
6285 xp from 10% xp bonus for rogue

In reply to Ez'ard (msg # 12):

Ah, ok, looks good.

--DM2

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 1):

For Warwick

500 for level drain
5200 for each spell level
3020 for each hit point lost

Warwick also gets 10% in both fighter and cleric.

Grand total is 147,092 / 2 = 73,546

Not enough to up a level, although getting close for cleric.

In reply to Warwick (msg # 14):

I still have to do my calculations, but not expecting Trysk to gain any levels and he still needs to train to level 12 assassin.

In reply to Trysk (msg # 15):

I was only expecting Ez'ard to go up in level .. he is sort of the junior of the group xp wise.

--DM2

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 16):

Shorty definitely will not level.  I still have to go back and see how many times he got hit......   but its is unlikely to get him the 100k he needs.

Finally did my calculations for Trysk:

2400 for each spell level
810 for each hit point lost

Trysk also gets +10% in both magic-user and assassin

Grand total is 141,031 / 2 = 70,515

In reply to Trysk (msg # 18):

I defer to Ron, but normally spell experience does not split.  Your thief does not learn much from casting magic.

In reply to Shorty (msg # 19):

I actually leave that up to the player.  If you want to make your spells only account for mage/cleric exps then fine.  Of course you need to make sure you do not double dip.

--DM2

True,  but not like Ron is giving us experience for using our thieving abilities either.

In reply to Trysk (msg # 21):

XPs for The Unknown:

167,300

Do not forget you bonus experience and extras such as spell casting and damage taken.

Gold per character:

23,000



The other ways to gain experience:
   Gain 10xp for every hit point lost
   Gain 20xp per level of Cleric spell cast
   Gain 50xp per level of Mage spell cast
   200/polymorphed - caused by an adversary
   250/level drain from monster/spell/item
   500/stoning - you actually became stone not smoked some exotic weed.
   5000 xps/death (characters own death)

--DM2

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 22):

Does the gold include any gems and other valuables?

In reply to Trysk (msg # 23):

There was some jewelry, but I am counting that as all gold this time.

--DM2

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 24):

For Trysk's purposes....  I think the only really valuable piece was the gem given to Warwick bu the Arch Devil.

In reply to Shorty (msg # 25):

Trysk will offer Warwick the equivalent gold for the gem.

Was it worth 5K?

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 22):

Frack! I cleared my scratchpad too early and have lost my damage totals

In reply to Ez'ard (msg # 27):

If you do not remember or feel like going back you can have 1000 XP for HP loss.

--DM2

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 28):

Now that folks have experience...  what is the plan?  Shorty can train.  He also needs to work on some skills for the conversion to ranger.  And he has a manaul of exercises he can do.  And a small side trip that he will handle on his own.

In reply to Shorty (msg # 29):

Morteft says, "I will train and read my libram here with the time dilation. I should be done in 3-4 weeks. How long will you be gone, Shorty? I have another project I could work on."

In reply to Morteft (msg # 30):

Trysk shrugs, "I'm fine to start training and work on some projects, too. What's our plans when we re-group?"

In reply to Morteft (msg # 30):

Shorty shrugs.  "No bery sure.  Needs to here what Bossy Lady Ranger want me ta do."

OOC:  Talking with the Boss Man.  Shorty has a lot of things that need to be taken care of so I am not sure what will or will not happen next.  If he can do the rest of basic ranger training in a couple weeks, he will disappear for a week on a personal mission.  Ron plays the exercise book different so that will not happen now.  Takes a month instead of 4 days.  And he cannot do that and train at the same time.  So wairting for an answer.  Level 15 probably will not happen until boot camp is done.

Trysk gets:

167,300 / 2 = 83,650 mage and 83,650 assassin
8,050 mage for mage spells cast
250 / 2 = 125 mage and 125 assassin for level drain
2,560 / 2 = 1,280 mage and 1,280 assassin for hit points lost

93,105 + 9,311 (10% bonus) = 102,416 mage
85,055 + 8,506 (10% bonus) = 93,561 assassin

In reply to Shorty (msg # 32):

Yes, it takes a month of training immediately after the book is read. To read the book is 3-5 days generally, for Shorty it might be 7 or 8 days - need 24 hours reading in total and even though his Int is higher his reading skill is a little lacking.

--DM2

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 34):

Ah... Come on Boss.  Its an exercise book.  Lots of Piiictures... Grin

The experience points puts Ez’ard one Mage level up (11 to 12) so will need to train and learned new spells.

Also he will want to read his manual. After doing so he will can +1 to dexterity and a level (13 to 14),

I have no recollection of that event.

In reply to Warwick (msg # 37):

The archdevil tossed you a gem as payment just before we started fighting him and Dualis arrived

In reply to Trysk (msg # 38):

To get around the otder to party and be happy, your axe convinced you that Balzebub had welched on a debt.  You were going to pick a fight over money owed.  So he handed you a 5000 GP gem to pay the debt and get you to stop interfering with his efforts to enlist Morteft.

In reply to Shorty (msg # 39):

OOC:  Ah...  Okay, that's right.


Warwick shakes his head at Trysk's offer.  "No, thanks lad.  I think I'm going to keep this as a souvenir."

In reply to Ez'ard (msg # 36):

Where does the +1 Dex come from?

--DM2

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 41):

That is what the description I read said… 1/2 through next level and +1 Dex…. But if you got something different laid out it is your show…

167,300 / 2

83,650 xp for cleric
83,650 xp for fighter

3500 xp for Clerical spells
500 xp per class for hit points lost
500 xp for fighter class level drain

83,650 + 3500 + 500 = 87,650 xp for cleric
83,650 + 500 = 84,150 xp for fighter

Still 11th fighter, but now a 12th level cleric.

Warwick will read the Book of Exalted Deeds to go up to 13th level which will give him access to the 7th order spells and +1 wisdom.

In reply to Ez'ard (msg # 42):

DMG 1st ed says nothing about +1 Dex - actually neither does the 2nd ed. Only the cleric book increases the main attribute, Wisdom.

Wow, did a refresher on the level up books.  How in the world does the Wizard & Cleric book only take a week of study and the Fighter and Thief take a full month.  To me it is tougher to train the mind then the body.

So the ruling is .. how we play it in the home game anyway .. is 1 month for any of the level up books.

--DM2

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 44):

And bonus stat for each to make them the same?

In reply to Morteft (msg # 45):

No, if anything I would remove the +1 Wis.  Again we never did the +1 Wis in the home game for that book.  That is why I did the refresher.  You play the game so long and you get used to doing something a certain way or you see one of those special books more than the others and they tend to be similar you knd of assume things.

Not sure about the +1 wisdom yet.

--DM2

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 46):

Ah, don't take it away! Keith would kill me (rightly so)

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 46):

I'm honestly surprised they didn't balance the books and give the stat increase for all classes or for none.  I'm fine with whatever you decide, Ron.  I was kind of excited to get the wisdom boost, but I didn't realize none of the other books gave you one.

Then again, there are a bunch of magical items that give dexterity and strength increases.  There aren't as many that give wisdom and intelligence bonuses.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:49, Fri 03 Feb 2023.

In reply to Warwick (msg # 48):

So more thoughts

Given the time dilation available at HQ, each book will actually take a week in real-time so in a way that point is moot at least in this case.

As far as the level up books.  The biggest thing that did not make sense to me is the 1 week for mage and cleric and 4 weeks for fighter and thief.  So I will keep the 1 month for each.

Thinking more about it I can see that the Cleric books can give a +1 Wisdom, apart from the other classes what is there for a cleric .. techniques for swinging incense better, genuflecting practice, holding your hands a certain way when you pray?  It would be more strengthening faith etc which in essence would increase Wisdom.  So the +1 Wisdom will stay.

I am curious since none of the other books mention +1 to the main attribute in either 1st or 2nd .. is it that way in 5th ed.

--DM2

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 49):

Yippee!!

In reply to Warwick (msg # 50):

I thought you would be happy especially after last adventure, if Warwick had another point of Wisdom he would have been immune to the effects of one spell.  ;)

--DM2

In reply to Ron, The DM (msg # 51):

Exactly what I was thinking.  :-)