mrmiffmiff
 member, 1 post
Wed 11 Apr 2018
at 04:10
[Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
What I'm about to say is pretty insane, and I know it. Feel free to tell me it's not even worth beginning or attempting (I already know it'll never end).

Golarion as a setting is pretty fascinating to me. There's so much that's clearly just meant as analogs to Earth, yet presented in new and interesting ways. And the adventures can be really cool and well-written sometimes, and there's just so much to this setting.

A crazy dream I've had for years now is to have a very large group (so that not everybody would be playing at once, and potentially to even allow for multiple GMs), and run through all Golarion-related adventures: Pathfinder Modules, chapters of Pathfinder Adventure Paths, and Pathfinder Society Scenarios (potentially not actually using Society rules, but that's a conversation for another time), sequentially, in the order they came out/take place.

Obviously this is a pipe dream in any practical sense. Adventures take longer to run than to come out, if done well, so I of course acknowledge it's virtually impossible that this project could ever come to completion.

I actually fell out of Pathfinder for a while and sort of forgot about this dream of mine, but then 2e was announced, and it was suddenly reawakened. Potentially this could now even eventually be done with 2e, but that's neither here nor there.

Anyway, even if I know this could never end, I'd be really curious to see just how far it could get. Would anyone else be interested in that endeavour, or should I just give up?
Yaztromo
 member, 164 posts
Wed 11 Apr 2018
at 04:27
[Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
This is not incredibly crazy, although for sure it's not easy.
On RPoL there are already similar games ongoing (in various worlds and settings, of course) and some have been ongoing for many years, with many tens of thousands posts. Now you know it is possible!
So... best of luck! ;)
LonePaladin
 member, 715 posts
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Wed 11 Apr 2018
at 06:58
[Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
This sounds like a job for Co-GM!

Seriously, though, each campaign and Adventure Path and sanctioned scenario? You could probably recruit one GM for each of these and have enough to keep everyone busy. I think there's even a timeline of when each of these campaigns occurs in the setting (they're all considered canonical events).

You'd probably have no shortage of people willing to run the major campaigns like Rise of the Runelords.
jkeogh
 member, 80 posts
Wed 11 Apr 2018
at 13:06
[Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
I'd help this come to life in whatever ways I could. You'll definitely need some help. This sounds like something Paizo should sponsor :).
Kelthas Dread
 member, 262 posts
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Wed 11 Apr 2018
at 16:56
[Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
Its an intersting idea, however I do not think the reality would work.

Heres why.

Im running Rise of The Runelords right now on this site. I started it in September of 2014 I think. (I archived and then deleted the first books threads so the post count is horribly off) Im about a 1/4 of the way through the 2nd book...and its April of 2018...so 3 1/2 years of player and GM commitment for just one ap. and we still have 4 and 3/4 books to play through...we will likely finish in 2032.......

and I have a great group of posters.

Ive had to drop I think 2 players during the course and pick up 2 others. but 4 of the 6 have been their from the start.

so now consider how many ap's there are... and consider youd have to find that many dms and players to commit to that length of game. Plus add in all the pfs scenarios...huge ammount...and sanctioned modules?

yikes.

itd be a healthy endeavor.
swordchucks
 member, 1482 posts
Wed 11 Apr 2018
at 17:12
[Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
I saw an idea that might work for this today on one of the Facebook groups.

Instead of trying to play through the APs, etc., directly, you're playing the equivalent of timecops sent back to correct the course of history after someone else has mucked up the APs.  You don't play all of them, but rather the best bits of them where someone has knocked out the folks that were supposed to do the stuff or otherwise sabotaged it.
Yaztromo
 member, 165 posts
Thu 12 Apr 2018
at 03:31
[Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
Here link to a message in another game you can find a thread discussing similar themes, with the intervention of people actually running really large games as proposed here.
BumptiousBard
 member, 6 posts
Thu 12 Apr 2018
at 03:35
[Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
*raises hand* I'd love to Play in a chronicle like this.
kbdevil1a
 member, 111 posts
Thu 12 Apr 2018
at 05:28
[Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
Id be down!
mrmiffmiff
 member, 2 posts
Thu 12 Apr 2018
at 14:47
[Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
Wow. It appears there was more interest than I thought there would be. I have taken all words into consideration.

Yes, there is canonical timeline, one that actually corresponds to release order, since real-world year corresponds almost precisely to the Golarion year 2700 years after.

Co-GMs would definitely be a necessity, as it's likely that multiple events would need to run at once depending on how much time in-game passes during any given adventure. People who play in one adventure could potentially co-GM another, but I'd have to figure out how that would work.

For now, I need to take some time to think about it. If anybody has some more thoughts to share, please do so.
kbdevil1a
 member, 113 posts
Fri 13 Apr 2018
at 06:47
[Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
I could potentially co-gm as well as play
BumptiousBard
 member, 7 posts
Fri 13 Apr 2018
at 16:14
Re: [Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
kbdevil1a:
I could potentially co-gm as well as play


Seconded.
Kelthas Dread
 member, 263 posts
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Fri 13 Apr 2018
at 21:48
Re: [Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
I was a GM in a joint world at one point where GM's ran different games in a shared environment...3 problems arose

1. Each GM has a different view on character creation, what they allow etc...

There's a disparity in capabilities of characters between games.

2. Magic items. Once again...availability can skew power levels.

3. Favouritism...where certain DMS or players for preferential treatment.

I dropped because of this.

I questioned a character who was a DM in another game and had vastly different power than the other players inlet in...and I was called out for questioning him. And told to shut my yap I was new and he was allowed.

So I left that ensemble.


But if details could be hammered out for cohesion I'd be interested.

Maybe have a pool of characters that are created using the same rules to choose from
DarkLightHitomi
 member, 1327 posts
Fri 13 Apr 2018
at 21:58
Re: [Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
If going for multi-gm thing, look at Pathfinder Society and other similar things. Look at their player guides and rules and see what they address and how.

You might also consider vetting all other gms yourself. Letting them run a game for you, and see not only how they run, but also how well they accept constructive critism and can mold themselves to the shared experience.
kbdevil1a
 member, 114 posts
Sat 14 Apr 2018
at 07:37
Re: [Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
In reply to Kelthas Dread (msg # 13):

In regards to the first two, if we play strictly by the Adventure Path rules, that shouldn't be an issue.
Kelthas Dread
 member, 264 posts
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Sat 14 Apr 2018
at 16:27
Re: [Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
So 4 players 15 point builds.

No extrapolation as a GM

No extra encounters. No filling in

The issues I see ...

A. Players have played and read in them. No surprises no twists

If a player drops..the game comes to a halt.


I normally run 5-6 and beef up encounters and treasures...because if someone drops I don't want the game to faulted until I can get another player
kbdevil1a
 member, 115 posts
Wed 18 Apr 2018
at 20:36
Re: [Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
I was under the impression the APs were written for 20 pt builds.

In regards to the first issue, I say "oh well" and have a good-faith rule of no metagaming. As to the second, it was suggested earlier that several paths be run simultaneously, and than not all players in the game would have to be playing in a path at any one time. If a player drops, we could give their character to a player who isn't in a game, or a player in a different path who's up to running two characters.
Kelthas Dread
 member, 266 posts
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Wed 18 Apr 2018
at 21:49
Re: [Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2l...the-APs-designed-for

Not that we couldn't set whatever we wanted. ;)
jkeogh
 member, 81 posts
Thu 19 Apr 2018
at 00:04
Re: [Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
yeah, I mean even James Jacobs said that you could go 20-25 point buy depending on the expertise of the group and the challenge you wanted to make the game :).

I find this whole endeavor potentially fascinating and would want to participate in some way :).
mrmiffmiff
 member, 3 posts
Thu 19 Apr 2018
at 18:16
Re: [Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
Oh jeez guys, my apologies. I got caught up in a bunch of school work so I forgot about this post. I'll get to more specific replies later, but yes I'd definitely make sure issues like house rules and point buy and all that would be universalized.

The point-buy issue for APs is an interesting thing. They had supposedly created them (at least at the beginning) for 15-point-buy, but a denizen of the forums later proved that their math was off and it should really be 20. So I tend to use 20, at least for APs. Not sure how I'd handle non-AP adventures.

Regarding GMs, I'd definitely be vetting them to make sure we're all on the same page. I'm not sure yet how I'd be going about that, but there will definitely be requirements. This is something I'd like to hash out with all of you.

Let me know of any other concerns, questions, or anything. It's clear that there's interest, so while it may take a while for us to get things ready to go, it looks like this may happen. I'm taking a month-long trip from the end of May to the end of June, so we'll see how that plays into things too.
DarkLightHitomi
 member, 1331 posts
Thu 19 Apr 2018
at 22:23
Re: [Pathfinder] An incredibly crazy proposal
On the point buy issue, I'm with James Jacobs, the players have a much larger impact that how many ability points they get.

Players who are too focused on mechanics or not very creative will be at a serious disadvantage compared to more creative folks or those who see the world beyond the limits of mechanics, and changing point buy can't fix that.