Tortuga
 member, 1761 posts
Fri 3 Feb 2017
at 20:38
1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
I would be down.
Horseman
 member, 3 posts
Fri 3 Feb 2017
at 20:52
1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
In reply to horus (msg # 4):

I have not, I will check it out.  Thakns for the tip.  The wiki page looks promising.
Horseman
 member, 4 posts
Fri 3 Feb 2017
at 21:00
1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
In reply to Tortuga (msg # 5):

Thanks for the interest.


All,

I am thinking about making this PG-13 or even R......... using the language of the day, which could be very offensive to a lot of people.

Is this a wise course of action ?
Quasar_42
 member, 7 posts
Sat 4 Feb 2017
at 02:47
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Ooh. I like this. I like it a lot. I will definitely submit some ideas for characters once it actually gets off the ground.

Language of the day seems fine as long as 1. Everyone else is comfortable with it and 2. It is used to actually increase immersion and not just thrown around like rice at a wedding. It is unnecessary, however.
Horseman
 member, 5 posts
Sat 4 Feb 2017
at 05:31
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In reply to Quasar_42 (msg # 8):

That sounds good, we will let the players choose if it is PG-13 or R

Look forward to talking with you later
Bornite
 member, 34 posts
Sat 4 Feb 2017
at 06:03
Re: 1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
Horseman:
Hi everyone, I'm fairly new to the site, but an experienced player and GM.  I am working on a 1930's Pulp adventure game.

System: Semi-Free Form (GURPS Lite Framework)
Theme: 30s Pulp Type hero adventure, think Indiana Jones, the Mummy, the Untouchables, Secret Agent
Jumpoff Point: 1932 Winter Olympics, Lake Placid, NY

Narrative
This game would be an episodic serial.  Where each adventure is a episode.  The characters would travel around the world taking on different adventures.


I really like the idea of the episodic serial.  The serials of the time period were a lot of fun to watch and it fits so well in a game.

quote:
There would be pre-determined character arch-types, that players could customize some to their own taste, and perhaps original characters submitted by players.  The Episodes would explore the international events and characters that led to WWII.


The characters will start at the 1932 Winter Olympics, Governor Franklin Delano Roosevelt is in attendance and just cranking up his 1st Presidential Election run.  Prohibition is still the law of the land and Speak Easies abound.  The main transcontinental travel is still by ships and private flight is just coming on.  The National Socialist German Workers' Party(NAZIs) are posed to make take their first steps to power in the July 1932 German Elections.  Imperial Japan has invaded Manchuria and is on the verge of getting the Republic of China to turnover Manchuria to Japan.  Mussolini is advancing Italy's Colonial Empire in Africa.  The El Mirador Pyramid is discovered in Guatemala in 1930.  The bulk of the world still travels by foot, horseback or by train.

This is the world the characters will enter and adventure through.

I'm looking for any feedback or interest in the game.


Good time period and starting point.  Certain historical events have started becoming evident and certain types of equipment has also become more sofisticated.  There are also various types of travel that are more iconic now available so that globe-trotting in a reasonable time can now be done.



Now some of my specific questions - yes some are being a bit nit-picky but are not intended as being critical.

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Pre-Determined Characters

1. Old Timer – German immigrant to America.  Born 1898, was in Great War from 1915-1918, wounded twice, Sapper and Engineer.  Favored gear; Trench Shotgun, grenades and entrenching shovel.


Which side did this guy fight on - German or US?  If German then the Winchester 97 trench gun might not be the best of choices as they really thought the shotguns were not honorable (to say the least).  Rumors of execute anyone found using one persisted.  Otherwise a good character idea.

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2. Flyboy – Canadian Bush Pilot. Born 1912, spent most of life as trapper and guide, canoeing, barnstorming  and later flying in Northern Canada.  Knows Driver.  Favored gear; 45-70 Springfield and ski plane or float plane


Good character idea, very useful in my thoughts.  Question - which 45-70 Springfield?  The Trapdoor Springfield rifle or carbine, or simply a rifle that fires the 45-70 round?  If the second, then might I suggest a Winchester 1886 in 45-70 or a Winchester 1876 in 45-75 (as used by the RCMP)?  He would probably be a good mechanic for his plane, not necessarily so good for anything else)

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3. Driver/mechanic - Chicago American Bootlegger.  Born 1912.  Spent youth working for gangs in Chicago running booze around the Great Lakes by boat and roads to and from Canada.  Knows flyboy whom he’s met from runs on Minnesota Lakes.  Favored Gear; Tommy Gun with 100 rnd drum, straight razor and anything with a engine.


Another useful skill set.   No questions.

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4. Indirect Fire – French Surveyor former Naval Gunner.  Born 1913.  Mathematical prodigy, helped survey and layout Maginot Line after a short stint in the French navy as a  Gunner off the shores of Africa.  Recently flown into Canadian Northwest Territories by flyboy, to do survey work.  Favored Gear; Sten Gun and a 50mm mortar.  Knows the Spaniard.


Another good, useful character concept.  The Sten gun wasn't even being thought of for close to a decade.  But it is an iconic looking item.  Just to throw something different out there, take a look at the Steyr-Solothurn Sl-100.

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5. The Spaniard (Weapons) – Actually a Basque separatist.  Born 1910.   Spent youth in Basque resistance movement in the Pyrennes.  Later exiled and became a Mercenary in North Africa and the Middle East.  Knows Spanish, Berber, Arabic, English and French.  Favored Gear; Trench Knife, M1911 Colt, MP40, walking stick. A friend of Smuggler.


Another good character concept.  Someone with a strong language talent is very useful to have.  The MP-40 wasn't developed until 1940 though.  Try the MP-18 or MP-28, both of which were readily available.

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6. Sniper – Blackfoot Half-Native American. Born 1912.  North American hunting guide, hunter, trapper. Has been hunting since he can remember, taught by his grandfather in Western Canada and the Pacific Northwest of America.  Spent sporadic periods traveling US in Wild West show.  Knows Flyboy.  Favored Gear; throwing tomahawk, elkhorn hunting knife, scoped M1903 Rifle.


Another good concept.  You might think about on of the the variant 03s or maybe he got his hands on a National Match version.

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7. Doc (medic) -  Kicked out of Chicago Medical in last semester for dalliance with Deans daughter(found, drunk and in bed with Doc), practicing medicine without a license(treating wounded gang members) and gambling.  Born 1903.  Though quite talented, has weak willpower when it comes to having fun.  Knows Driver.  Favored Gear; surgeons bag, Walther PPK.


A very necessary character concept, sooner or later (probably sooner) one of the characters is going to get hurt, LOL.  The PPK has only been out for a couple of years, good choice though.

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8. Sparks (communications) – British Lady of the lower gentry, knows the ways of court and likes the finer things.  Born 1912.  Has been fascinated by radios since very young and well schooled in communication and signal through her work with British Weather Services.  Spent time in Northern Canada with her parents relaying polar weather anomalies.  Knows flyboy.  Favored Gear; Flare projector, Sten gun, derringer.


Another useful character concept.  Again, the sten isn't out or even in development yet.  But how about a Broomhandle Mauser with the attached stock instead?  The derringer is fine and readily available, probably in .41 rimfire.

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9. Swede(machine gunner) – Bear of a man, 6’ 5 250 lbs. Born 1909.  Raised in Swedish Military, took a liking to machine guns of all types, traveled as a gunner with the Swedish Navy.  Knows Swedish, English, German and Russian.  Favored gear; Lewis Machine Gun, Browning M2 50 cal.


Another good idea.  Great choice on the Lewis gun, which caliber?  Now, as to the M2, while it was out, I would suggest going with him being familiar with the water cooled version as the various navies liked those more and honestly, the availability of the air-cooled ones would be severely limited for civilians.  The FN-BAR is another possible choice, well available in multiple different calibers.

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10. Cowboy (shooter)  - Grew up on a Wyoming cattle ranch living the life of a cowboy.  Born in 1901 in Ten Sleep Wyoming.  At the age of 14 he was in New Mexico with his father selling horses to the Cavalry when Poncho Villa attacked the 13th US Cav.  He helped fend off the Mexican raid when 18 Americans were killed.  The Mexicans escaped with 100 horses, and the Wyoming boy took chase, stealing back 20 that night.  Later he joined a Wild West Show and became fast friends with Sniper.  Favored Gear; matched Colt 45 peacemakers, Model 94 Winchester rifle.


Interesting concept, useful but perhaps not as necessary as others, still I like it.  Any specific reason for the Winchester Model 94?  Staying with a more iconic cowboy theme, I'd have gone with a 73 or 92 instead.

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11. Farmboy (Jack of All Trades )
Born in Slovakia and raised in PA and Kansas.  Parents were Slovak emigrants to Western Pennsylvania.  His father worked his way up from a coal miner to a Millwrights assistant.  Very versatile and tough, he can fix anything, and seemingly do anything, great stamina and clever.


Another good concept, if perhaps a bit more subtle on the surface.

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12. Smuggler – Born and raised in Liberia, very charismatic,  currently making a living smuggling armaments and coffee to Germany that are in violation of the Versailles Treaty.  …………………knows Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, English, German and several local languages to include Manding, Gola and Kru.


Another useful concept.  Again I like the language set.  And I'm sure his contacts could be of great use.

You've got some good ideas up there, some well thought out character concepts.  It's going to be hard for the players to decide which to use as they all bring something different and useful to the table.

Now I've got to think about which one I like the most and can do the best job with.  As to use of "language," I've got no problem as long as there are no objections from other players and isn't used just for the sake of being used - pretty much the same as Quasar says.  I would suggest that certain words (primarily racially charged) be off the table even if they were readily used at the time period.  Just something to think about

This message was lightly edited by the user at 14:54, Sat 04 Feb 2017.

Horseman
 member, 6 posts
Sat 4 Feb 2017
at 09:00
Re: 1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
In reply to Bornite (msg # 10):

Good Comments, and ya got me.  The game was originally developed to start at a later period in history, thus the anachronisms. Props on knowing your weapons.

1. Not too many people are familiar with the German feelings for the M97 Trench Gun. In this game, Old Timer fought for the Germans, and learned to respect and understand the effectiveness of the M97 in close quarters.  When he immigrated, he picked one up.  Languages: German, English, French

2. The 45-70 Trap Door Springfield for this character was based on a 1910 news clipping I read of a French Canadian Trappers bones found with the bones of a large bull moose, a 45-70 trap door laying nearby with a spent casing stuck in the chamber.  This character can choose either of the weapons you named. Languages: English, French

3. Driver/Mechanic - Languages: English, Italian

4. The French Gunner was originally developed to have a sub-Machine gun.  But on further reflection, the French never developed a sub-machine gun in the inter war period.  Now we could have the character have a Solothorn, but a Berthier Carbine would be more realistic. Languages: German, English, French

5. MP-18 is a better choice for the Spaniard.  Also I should note that this character was developed with the idea that he would have a basic skill in the martial arts of the Basque, the Danse De Rue Savate.  Which at advanced skill levels includes a knife and stick. Languages: Spanish, English, French

6. The Scout/Sniper will have opportunities to upgrade in the future. Languages: Algonquin, English, French

7. Doc - Languages: English, Latin

8. Sparks - Yeah, love the Broom Handle Mauser concept.
Languages: German, English, French, Italian, Polish, Norwegian

9. The Swede - He would have a .303 caliber Lewis Machine Gun(keep it simple), but no M1921 Browning Machine gun.  However, he would be familiar with the Browning.  Languages: Swedish, English, German, Russian

10. Cowboy - went with the model 94 for simplicity, most people recognize it, any of the basic lever action Winchesters work.  And if a person wants to customize the 6 shooters too, cool.  If you want a birds head grip colt and a Smith & Wesson Model 3 that's fine with me. Languages: Algonquin, English, Spanish

11. Farmboy - While I didn't list weapons for him, I had him pegged for a 25 or 30 Remington and a double barrel 12 ga.  Probably not a pistol, but good with a knife.  Languages: English, Slovak

12. Smuggler - This guy is based on the ship's captain that smuggles Indy and the Ark out of Cairo.  His primary weapons is a Model 1873 Chamelot-Delvigne Pistol.   Languages: Portuguese, Spanish, Dutch, English, German and several local languages to include Manding, Gola and Kru

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Horseman
 member, 7 posts
Sat 4 Feb 2017
at 09:07
1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure

Note:
During the start of the game the primary factors influencing American Society are the Depression and Prohibition
1932 and 1933 are the worst years of the Depression, with Unemployment skyrocketing for around 4% in 1930 to around 30%.  Everyone needs work and money.  No one is left unaffected.  To top it all off, a guy can't even legally have a beer.
Gaffer
 member, 1428 posts
 Ocoee FL
 40 yrs of RPGs
Sat 4 Feb 2017
at 15:13
1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
I feel like several of the characters are too young to have been with Wild West shows, which were mostly defunct before 1914. Maybe the characters are older by a couple of decades or worked in circuses or in early motion pictures.

Also would like to see more opportunity for female characters.

I like the ideas, though I generally prefer more structure than free form provides, but don't like things (especially combat) too crunchy. GURPS is okay, but Savage Worlds seems right up this alley. Or maybe HEX.
Grimmond
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Sat 4 Feb 2017
at 16:23
1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
A word to your language problems ... as long as your threads are NOT public, colorful language is usually not a problem. Also as long as your players are all in agreement and understand the ramifications.
Tancred
 member, 19 posts
Sat 4 Feb 2017
at 19:53
1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
Sounds delightful, Horseman. I commend you for your excellent grasp of the history of that time period. :)

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Horseman
 member, 8 posts
Sat 4 Feb 2017
at 22:14
1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
In reply to Gaffer (msg # 13):

Makes sense, we will change those connections to early Hollywood, Westerns and Western shorts. Adds some nice depth to story.  I like it.
If folks want more female characters I'm open to it.

All, I really appreciate all the input.  If you have more, keep them coming.  I have some homework (game development) to do before I will be ready to lift this thing off.

Note on Combat:
I'm not anticipating long drawn out battles.  The 30's pulps were more about mystery, intrigue, and cliffhangers rather than pitched battles.  Even Robert E Howards Fantasy pulps had a lot of depth and relatively limited combat.  But I am determined to let the story take us where it takes us.  For instance if the characters decide to go to Manchuria and take on the Japanese Empire I'm not going to stop you.
Horseman
 member, 9 posts
Mon 13 Feb 2017
at 18:54
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UPDATE
I've been doing game development on this and it is going well.  But my major internal conflict has been with the gaming system.

My intent has been to work within in a framework of rules, but ensure that the rules don't take over the game.  I just want the rules to be sideboards.  I was looking at GURPS Lite, it suits itself well to the period.  But today, I'm thinking of using D20 Modern because I am comfortable with the system.
Davy Jones
 member, 52 posts
Tue 14 Feb 2017
at 01:48
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If you want to go truly old school and rules lite, you can go with TSR's Gangbusters 3rd Ed. RPG. :)

If you're going to use d20 Modern, the d20 Past supplement is a must-have. It has useful information for just sort of setting.

That said, I think Savage Worlds is an excellent system for this kind of game. It's designed to play fast, so to speak, and it's flexible enough for you to build in what you would need for the setting.

This message was last edited by the user at 01:50, Tue 14 Feb 2017.

Horseman
 member, 10 posts
Sun 22 Jul 2018
at 03:37
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Coming Soon

I appreciate all the input I received much of it has been incorporated in the game.  I finally settled on a Semi-Free Form game using Fists & 45's as the Framework.

http://www.paper-dragon.com/fi...ists&45cover.pdf

It will likely be rated R, it will be a gritty and tough world, requiring tough heroes that can handle course language, mild nudity, and Depression Era desperation and roughness.

Background information on the 30's genre
http://www.paper-dragon.com/1939/intro.html

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Mr. Vaudeville
 member, 3 posts
Sun 22 Jul 2018
at 05:06
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I'd definitely be interested in joining such a game. The prohibition-era, pulp setting is always super atmospheric. I can already hear the 'jazz-noir'.

By all means, pm me with more info or an RTJ if you're still looking for players!!

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Horseman
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Sun 22 Jul 2018
at 05:12
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Alyse
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Sun 22 Jul 2018
at 05:40
1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
Color me curious as well.
icosahedron152
 member, 878 posts
Sun 22 Jul 2018
at 07:36
1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
Hi Horseman, I'd love to have a go with this and see how it plays out. I've tried a couple of 'episodic' games, one set in the 30s and one playing Robin Hood. They both stalled. I found it almost impossible to get players beyond Episode 1. By that time, they wanted to play something else, and they evaporated.

I really hope you (we) have more success. Maybe I can pick up some tips along the way.

A note about language. I'd be up for Mature, but not Adult. Language-wise it doesn't make much difference provided a sensible restraint is kept. If you're putting five Fs into a three word sentence, then you'll need to go Adult, but an occasional word to add flavour is fine in Mature. HOWEVER... Any form of racial slur (such as the N-word) is banned outright by Rpol. You can't do that even in an Adult game. You'd need to either fruit them out, or avoid them somehow, and you can just as easily do that in a Mature game.

I've been here a while, had my wrist slapped a few times, and I think I've got a pretty good handle on it now.

If you want a 'background' rule set, I can recommend 1PG by Deep 7 Games. They have a 3-book set covering 1930s pulp, and they sell for around $3 each. Quick and slick.

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bigbadron
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Sun 22 Jul 2018
at 07:47
1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
quote:
HOWEVER... Any form of racial slur (such as the N-word) is banned outright by Rpol.

Only in the public forums.  Within a game, and particularly within a private thread in a game, acceptable use of racial slurs would depend on the game context.
Horseman
 member, 12 posts
Sun 22 Jul 2018
at 07:54
Re: 1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
bigbadron:
quote:
HOWEVER... Any form of racial slur (such as the N-word) is banned outright by Rpol.

Only in the public forums.  Within a game, and particularly within a private thread in a game, acceptable use of racial slurs would depend on the game context.


Thanks, I didn't know that.  It won't be a problem.
steelsmiter
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Sun 22 Jul 2018
at 16:36
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Gaffer
 member, 1524 posts
 Ocoee FL
 40 yrs of RPGs
Thu 26 Jul 2018
at 20:40
Re: 1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
Glad to see this resurface.
kbdevil1a
 member, 120 posts
Thu 26 Jul 2018
at 21:08
Re: 1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
This sounds interesting!! I’m not super familiar with any of the systems suggested, but personally I also find that Call of Cthulhu d100 actually works really great for realistic 20s and 30s games, if you just ditch all the mythos stuff
Horseman
 member, 15 posts
Sat 28 Jul 2018
at 06:08
Re: 1930's Episodic Pulp Adventure
Glad to see the interest

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