MarkK
 member, 110 posts
Thu 2 Mar 2017
at 04:06
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
I quite like the freedomverse myself, and an actual emphasis on having to do some work to tie into the setting would be nice. I'm not myself a fan of playing existing characters mind you.

Going full out Freedom League would be fun, and the setup they gave in Freedom City 2e and such things of the League vastly expanding their roster, Justice League Unlimited style certainly gives room to slot people in at that.

Though that suggests something other than pl 10 150 as far as point totals.
Elfy
 member, 60 posts
Thu 2 Mar 2017
at 18:04
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
Freedom City is cool. I like idea 1.2 (and 1.1). As I understand it, the updated Freedom City setting book is due out in the next few months (the stats will, of course, be 3E, but could be converted back to 2E). I'm not sure how they are going to handle the time difference. I'm really looking forward to reading through it. I really like the Freedom City setting.
WulfFyre
 member, 4 posts
Fri 3 Mar 2017
at 00:50
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
Markk: Existing characters as in not playing Captain Thunder and the like, or pre-existing as in not playing Scarab, Arrow, Midnight, legacies of characters who are not currently active?

I'd say the Freedom League has some PL 10s but yeah I get your point, a little higher (11 or 12) possibly with a sliding scale of points would be good

Elfy: WHAT they're updating it!? I didn't know!
MarkK
 member, 111 posts
Fri 3 Mar 2017
at 03:54
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
12 on sliding scale would be cool.

And I mostly mean something like not playing Captain Thunder or the like, but it would be nice to have the freedom to make something like a Furion from Worlds of Freedom or an Ultiman or Utopian what have you. Something certainly very heavily tied into the lore, but not necessarily a legacy hero of character x or y (though anyone that wanted to do that should be able to).
Elfy
 member, 61 posts
Fri 3 Mar 2017
at 05:45
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
I want to point out that, regarding 1.1 and 1.2, there is a difference between 'Comic time' and 'real world time'. Peter Parker, for example,  went to college for what, like 30 years or something and effectively never aged. They just kept updating the setting to keep it current.

There's no reason you can't use Freedom City as it is in the second edition book and just update the background to be more current. In other words, some characters are still doing the same things and are roughly the same age as they were in the book. Despite that the 'real world' has aged almost 10 years, the characters in the setting need not really change unless you want them to. You could sprinkle a few changes 'here and there' so the setting isn't totally static, if you wanted to.

The cover of the 3rd edition Freedom City book (or at least the mock-up -- sometimes they are just place holders while waiting for the final art) I saw shows a female Centurion-like character, Siren, Star Knight, Daedalus, and another character I don't recognize. So it seems they are going to carry some existing Freedom League characters forward while also mixing the roster up a bit.
badpenny
 member, 328 posts
 eats shoots and leaves
Fri 3 Mar 2017
at 19:33
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
Unless you mean using PL trade-offs, e.g. PL 12/180 trades off two PL levels for +30 points: PL 10/210, a "sliding scale" of points isn't exactly balanced for player agency.

You find characters of differing power levels in the source material, but that's a far cry from an RPG and fiction's authorial control, e.g. Hawkeye actually being relevant.
MarkK
 member, 112 posts
Fri 3 Mar 2017
at 20:59
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
I thought the fellow more meant pl 12 with a point total that was more than 15 per level for everyone making a character, not everyone having different point totals. I'm not really a fan of the whole "trade off power level for points" thing. Like everyone gets pl 12 200 or something like that.

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Vane66
 member, 779 posts
Fri 3 Mar 2017
at 22:41
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
I'm always up for a Supers game but I don't like to step into the role of an established character because its different than creating your own. It has nothing to do with power builds for me but the character itself, when I create a character then I know that character in and out, when I take over someone else's character then there's not really a connection for me.

Being a legacy, someone taking over the Mantle of an established hero, could be fun. Someone using that name but still people aren't sure if they are up to it, maybe the character themselves don't think they can fill that role.
WulfFyre
 member, 6 posts
Sat 4 Mar 2017
at 03:36
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
The intention (not set in stone) was what badpenny is talking about, extra pp for a reduction in PL
MarkK
 member, 113 posts
Sat 4 Mar 2017
at 04:13
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
Ach, just from personal bad experience I'd prefer same point totals for everyone, I've seen things going really really point hacky with that sort of setup.
badpenny
 member, 329 posts
 eats shoots and leaves
Sat 4 Mar 2017
at 11:54
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
You can build an abusive character with the standard PL 10/150 points.  So even if everyone was PL 12/200 you still have player abuse and whatever their motivation for playing is as the biggest factor.  If the player is there to "win" you can be abusive with a handful of points.

It's up to the GM to root out problematic builds and players.  It's up to the GM to make sure every player has equal agency.

It's up to every player to collaborate and not ride roughshod over the plot/other players to suit their own agenda.
AscendedMaster
 member, 167 posts
Sat 4 Mar 2017
at 23:57
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
I would very much like to play in a superhero M&M game with PL12 and 200 points. I'm not familiar with the Freedom City setting, but I can read up on it if need be.
MarkK
 member, 114 posts
Sun 5 Mar 2017
at 00:01
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
In reply to badpenny (msg # 14):

Really not looking to get into a fight over it, just noting personal experience and preference.
KAGOME05w
 member, 4 posts
Sun 5 Mar 2017
at 04:15
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
In reply to WulfFyre (msg # 1):

I'd love to play something like this. I've been in a couple mnm 2 ed games and had a lot of fun :)
Rothos1
 member, 453 posts
Mon 6 Mar 2017
at 01:31
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
I'd like to give this a shot.
WulfFyre
 member, 7 posts
Mon 6 Mar 2017
at 13:58
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
Okay well PL disputes aside, everyone's mostly wanting a game where you're the new Freedom branch of the Freedom League (who've gone to the Lighthouse)?

Or is one of the other ideas inside idea 1.1 peaking people's interest as well?
Rothos1
 member, 454 posts
Mon 6 Mar 2017
at 18:10
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
Claremont graduates/legacy heroes IE Scarab lightbearers
badpenny
 member, 331 posts
 eats shoots and leaves
Mon 6 Mar 2017
at 18:28
Re: M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
Rothos1:
...legacy heroes IE Scarab lightbearers

Yes, another Scarab & Light-bearer fan!  I'm fascinated by these two, as well.

This message was last edited by the user at 18:29, Mon 06 Mar.

Siran
 member, 80 posts
Mon 6 Mar 2017
at 19:22
Re: M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
I'd be very interested as well unless the idea of 'only official characters' is going forwards. Tying us all into the world is always a good idea, and even more important with super hero games
MarkK
 member, 115 posts
Mon 6 Mar 2017
at 19:32
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
In reply to WulfFyre (msg # 19):

the Freedom League one is the most compelling for me, yeah.
Rothos1
 member, 455 posts
Mon 6 Mar 2017
at 22:17
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
Well, there's plenty choice in Claremont with all the supplements done. Beyond that goes into character selection and that belongs in game.
AscendedMaster
 member, 168 posts
Tue 7 Mar 2017
at 00:27
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
I'd sign up for the Justice Freedom League.
Cloudy
 member, 71 posts
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Tue 7 Mar 2017
at 15:41
M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
I'd love to join a Freedom League game.
WulfFyre
 member, 8 posts
Tue 7 Mar 2017
at 17:28
Re: M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
Siran:
I'd be very interested as well unless the idea of 'only official characters' is going forwards. Tying us all into the world is always a good idea, and even more important with super hero games


Well it wouldn't be only official characters but I would encourage tying into the world in a meaningful way. A random terminator clone wouldn't go as far as a regenerating robot tied into Talos/The Foundry or Daedalus or some similar idea. Beacon or Scarab or Freedom Eagle would go even further, filling in slots left open in universe

So I'm seeing mostly interest for a Freedom League game with ambivalence towards time setting so we'll do modern day.

Some helpful M&M Freedom City fans have rMailed me with suggestions on how to set up my first game so as to make it work best for you, the players so thanks to those people!

If anyone has input on the original post's ideas, please let me know
WulfFyre
 member, 9 posts
Wed 8 Mar 2017
at 03:44
Re: M&M 2e game (Freedom City/homebrew?)
The game, please excuse the dust and construction noises