Jhaelan
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Mon 14 Aug 2017
at 20:43
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
Ok. Happy to learn, but unfamiliar with Shadow of the Demon Lord FYI. Don't let that steer you away from it if other folks are more familiar
CaesarCV
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Mon 14 Aug 2017
at 20:45
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
Oh! By familiarity I meant during the game itself. I'm more than willing to teach, and quite frankly it's a pretty simple system.
Brosuke
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Tue 15 Aug 2017
at 05:05
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
I'm not that familiar with Shadow of the Demon Lord, but it's class-based, right? I agree that freeform is a bad choice for a dungeon crawler, but it does allow for a lot more freedom in what kind of "adventurers" can work. I'd recommend something point-based, like maybe Mutants and Masterminds 3E - it's very generic if you just leave off the modern equipment.

Don't change anything on my account though, it's just a suggestion.
steelsmiter
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Tue 15 Aug 2017
at 05:27
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
I remember way back in the day there was a game called Wandering Monster High School that would have been great for the adventurer school.
Siran
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Tue 15 Aug 2017
at 06:44
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
It's hard to go wrong with Barbarians of Lemuria if you want a really simple system that still allows for daring do, and a little magic.
Jhaelan
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Tue 15 Aug 2017
at 07:05
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
Hmm, or Scarlet Heroes?
CaesarCV
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Tue 15 Aug 2017
at 12:53
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
I actually do like class based fantasy ha ha. But I'm definitely going to consider other options as well. I don't think I'll use Mutants and Masterminds though to be honest. Savage Worlds is what I'd choose for a more free character creation system. Barbarians of Lemuria is something I've been meaning to read through, so I'll take a look into it. Never heard of the other two but I'll definitely take a look.
Jhaelan
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Tue 15 Aug 2017
at 12:58
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
In reply to CaesarCV (msg # 21):

Stumbled over Scarlet Heroes for another campaign and it's nicely cinematic
CaesarCV
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Tue 15 Aug 2017
at 13:09
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
Scarlet Heroes seems sweet! Although it's also built for singe player games so I don't think it'll be suited to this particular concept. Neither will the Wandering Monster thing from what I've read of it.
Rothos1
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Wed 16 Aug 2017
at 19:29
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
I like the idea of the Adventurer's School, I'd prefer D&D 3.5 as I don't know the systems and agree that you need some structure and I like class based fantasy. I actually had a game that I ran a year or so ago that did something like you're proposing. You might be able to draw some inspiration from the Mutants and Masterminds supplements on a hero school. Of course there is also going for a Heroes Guild idea similar to Fable 1.
CaesarCV
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Wed 16 Aug 2017
at 19:33
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
Currently I'm leaning towards Shadow of the Demon Lord. Not really into 3.5 much these days to be honest. Although if anybody knows D20 systems they'll be pretty comfortable with it. I'm currently trying to build up the setting as well, so if anybody has suggestions/ideas I'd love to hear them.

Right now for the setting I'm adding a pseudo-post apocalyptic angle where there was a mighty civiliztion destroyed by a great calamity. Between this and the new, still forming nations rising, there's both dungeons to loot and lots of adventures to have.
Redfoxmagi
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Wed 16 Aug 2017
at 19:50
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
As soon as you said post-apocalyptic fantasy, my brain went straight to Dark Schneider.  God, I miss that series.  And its magic spells based on rock bands. xD
Rothos1
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Thu 17 Aug 2017
at 03:45
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
Just thinking about the various forms of quests, but depending on the magical level you can borrow from DOOM or one of its clones that came out in the early 90's to create dungeons and enemies. Of course, the Fallout series is valid to use as inspiration as well. What are you thinking of in terms of kingdoms? Maybe a Celtic inspired kingdom, maybe the Persian Empire?
100 Years War England? Maybe a powerful being-say a dragon or a lich- controlling a kingdom that it can't leave similar to Ravenloft?
CaesarCV
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Thu 17 Aug 2017
at 14:33
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
I'm still coming up with kingdom ideas to be honest. Not sure how DOOM could provide that much of an inspiration though. Maybe some of the old Fantasy FPS games ha ha. I actually do have one of my nations at the moment as rather Celtic inspired. I'm not sure if something as large and advanced as the Persian Empire would work for this game though. Not as a 'player faction' anyway. Maybe something based off of one of the smaller Islamic Kingdoms could be interesting! Since the nations for our game are all ather young I'm seeing them as closer to city-states than sprawling empires. It also means they'll have to rely more on mercenaries and adventurers (like your characters).

I'm curious as to what exactly you mean by 100 Years War England.
rgrnwood
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Thu 17 Aug 2017
at 15:04
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
As for DOOM providing inspiration, I've been thinking of making a game/campaign based off if some DOOM-like games. The Heretic/Hexen trilogy (fantasy FPS games made by makers of DOOM and Call of Duty) provides ideas for creatures, weaponry, locales, and in the case of Hexen governmental and social structures, all while being vague enough to keep hard core fans from getting upset because you didn't get the lore right. It's also concise enough (read: barely there) that newcomers  won't feel like they'll never keep up with their fellow lore-savy players until they learn 200 pages of lore.
CaesarCV
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Thu 17 Aug 2017
at 15:12
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
Yeah, the Heretic and Hexen games are certainly interesting! But they might be a little too over the top for this particular game that I'm running. I'll have to check them out for some enemy inspiration though.
Rothos1
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Sat 19 Aug 2017
at 02:55
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
100 Years War period Where the English laid claim to the French throne? William the Conqueror and Richard the Lionhearted? Battle of Agincourt and the Siege of Orleans? St. Joan of Arc?
bigbadron
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Sat 19 Aug 2017
at 04:28
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
In reply to Rothos1 (msg # 31):

Rothos1:
100 Years War period Where the English laid claim to the French throne? William the Conqueror and Richard the Lionhearted? Battle of Agincourt and the Siege of Orleans? St. Joan of Arc?

By the time of the Hundred Years War, William the Conqueror had been dead for almost three hundred years, and Richard for more than a hundred.  Just sayin'...   :D
CaesarCV
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Sat 19 Aug 2017
at 06:26
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
Thanks for the clarification ha ha. Although I wonder if 100 Years war is really a good fit for an adventurer school game now that I think about it.

Speaking of which, how much should I even be putting into nations for this particular game?

This message was last edited by the user at 06:27, Sat 19 Aug.

rgrnwood
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Sat 19 Aug 2017
at 11:46
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
How much effort to put into any aspect of your game depends on how much the players will interact with it. If the players won't be interacting with the viceroy's cousin's daughter's dog's brother's owner then you're wasting your time detailing that person. Start with the broad strokes and fill in the details as your characters express interest or begin interacting with said nations.
horus
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Sat 19 Aug 2017
at 13:20
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
The more I read about this, the more it sounds like 7th Sea would fit really well.

Just a random thought before bedtime.
Brosuke
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Sun 20 Aug 2017
at 00:07
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
In reply to CaesarCV (msg # 33):

I'd say you don't necessarily need much detail at all beyond the country where the school is located. You can always let the players define their home nations. Or you could come up with a few and have the players pick their choice of origin.

As for the system, something class-based will probably be fine for me, as long as there's an online SRD for it.

This message was last edited by the user at 00:10, Sun 20 Aug.

CaesarCV
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Sun 20 Aug 2017
at 06:18
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
I'll come up with a few and let people choose for now! I think that sounds fun. Currently creating the setting and writing up other things to get us started. Hopefully it should be ready within the next few days. I'm happy to hear more suggestions for lore concepts and the like though! Any particular ideas you want to see? Or any information I can provide as I'm still getting ready?
bigbadron
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Sun 20 Aug 2017
at 06:29
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
With this many posts in the thread, it's clear that there is sufficient interest in this idea to warrant constructing a game.

Please leave all further discussion for that game, created by CaesarCV, and linked to in the post immediately following this one.

Thank you.
CaesarCV
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Sun 20 Aug 2017
at 06:34
IC and Advice: Need a New Fantasy Game
Thanks! I'll link the game here so people can send in early PMs. As a warning the Lore is still in construction, and not everything is set in stone yet.

link to another game