Here have a room

Hello to the room, by the way.    :)

The room shouts hello back.

G-G-G-Ghosts!!!!   *runs away*

*Pets room*

*the room probably purrs back*

Oh no.  Purring rooms.

Purring Rooms!

It's Totoro all over again!!!!!

*Runs around like his brain is on fire*

*pours water on Grizzly's brain*

Darn it!  Don't get your brain fire on everything!  We just decorated the place!

*Returns from mental-breakdown*

Hi, so sorry, I just had life happening to me with a vengeance

I will be more active now, promise, if I can't keep that promise, just fry me with added french fries

Mmmmm...French fries......


Don't worry, most of us have beat about the head and face by Real Life recently.
No worries, my friend.  *hugs*

yay

I half imagined you'd kick my ass, or even worse, not

as in everyone had left this place

*laughs*   Don't worry, my friend.  We're all very laid back and easy going here.

And, remember, this is just a casual chat site.  It's not like you were here to give us life saving tips on our incurable illnesses or anything.

We are in no rush to keep you here if you have other obligations.   :)

We're just happy to have you back.

Yay, I tried to make it laid back and cozy, with a teensy weensy slice of crazy

which seems to have worked, yay!!!!!

*Hugs everyone many many times*

oh oh, ever heard of this weird game called 'cards against humanity'?

Is it any good?

I've never heard of it.   Based on what little I can see online it seems a bit like "Apples to Apples", though, only dirtier.

Looks like it could be fun.

apples to apples?

is that something like monopoly?

also, you americans always have all the best games, games we never even heard of..

Apples to Apples is a very fun game that's hard to describe.   I don't own it, but some people we camp with for my Medieval group the SCA break it out once a year.

It's a card game where, each round, one person deals out a handful of seemingly random cards to everyone but the dealer that are assorted nouns, like "fast sports car", "tropical vacation", "English Professor", "Brad Pitt" and so on.
These are the "Red Apple" cards.
Everyone must keep those cards secret, and the dealer then picks a card from another deck with adjectives, like "spicy", "dangerous", "gut-wrenching", "caveman-like" and so on.
These are the "Green Apple" cards.
Everyone with the noun cards puts a card face down that they think best matches the adjective, either for logical or hilarious reasons, and the dealer, who doesn't know whose cards are whose, decides which best fits.

The winner of the rounds takes that Green Apple card, and becomes the dealer of the next hand.  This repeats until all the Green Apple cards are gone, and the one with the most Green Apple cards is the winner.

The fun part is not trying to put forth what you think is the best answer for your Red Apple card, but what the DEALER would think was the best answer.

And, some of the mismatched answers are hilarious.  :)

next time I come to USA, I need to get it

I love games :)

both computer games and other games :)

You can probably get it through Amazon, but I'd recommend it however  you can get it.  *smiles*

well, amazon has this bad habit of making my customs take money in taxes

as in it always get stuck in customs if there is amazon on the box, I hate my country at times

and other times I love it, love/hate-relationship yay

Sorry about that.    That's not something I can help you with.     *smiles*

But perhaps there are some gems in your own country.    :)

well, we have a few places that import some things, others, not so much, but what we don't know exsist, we can't miss

and well...

most of our games are for kids under the age of 12, and after it's alcohol-based, mostly

*smiles*  Well, any good game, even ones meant for kids, can be made more fun with alcohol.  :)

everything is funnier with alcohol

except driving, driving is never funnier with alcohol...

I'll agree with that.   Lots of people here are convinced that they can drive drunk, and it's a bit scary sometimes.

over here people do not drive drunk

because they know they'll go broke from the heavy fines

it happens yes, but not as much as one thinks

always target the money

They're starting to do that here more,  though America's fanatical love of freedom has made a lot of us feel that freedom means doing whatever we want when we want.     It's getting a little better, though.
A bit like smoking.   It's less acceptable here, so it's dropping off.

It's illegal to smoke while at work, no smoke-breaks, there is no restaurants that allow smoking... basically it's harder and harder to smoke anywhere

So people are dropping it, to just make sure they're allowed inside

There are still many smokers here, especially where I work, who complain about it.  I understand that they feel persecuted and perhaps even discriminated against, but since I hate smoking, it's hard to really sympathize.

they aren't discriminated against, we are just trying to keep them, and their colleagues away from cancer during working-hours...

I say it's saving them, or well, trying to save them

We're trying to do that, too, but too many of us feel it's our "God Given Right" to do unhealthy things.

Given my poor diet, I can't really complain too much about other people's bad habits, or course.   :)

There's even a new add for electronic cigarettes where you're encouraged to "take back your freedom" to smoke.

ah yes, the electrical cigarette that smells like vanilla or so

nasty

very few of unhealthy diets intervene with people around you thought, I have never heard of "my husband ate a hamburger and now I have cancer and is dying!!!!"

so I think you are not in the wrong to have comments

and why would the smoking people get more breaks that others? They make less stuff with more breaks, and they still think they're discriminated against? Haven't they figured out it is all about the money and amount of objects produced

I thought those electronic cigarettes were supposed to be to help people give up smoking? I have a fried who was using one for that purpose. He still smokes so that worked REALLY well. Not!

I think the chewing-gum and the band-aid is for giving up smoking

the electrical one is to allow you to smoke inside, except not in vehicles as people thought it was okay to use them in public-transport, and the compartments started smelling rally bad and causing people to have allergic reactions

and well, public is where people with asthma can move too, so no strong smells. No one ever remembers that

The one my friend was using was marketed as a giving up smoking tool. It would blow out harmless water vapour that looked like smoke so that the smoker still got the psychological idea that they were smoking when they weren't

My aunt gave up using chewing gum. Took her three attempts. I've never smoked myself.

I've never gotten smoking

I tried it, once, it tastes like ashes, and it hurts...

so why even start? it is dangerous and it's expensive and it hurts

People do it because they think it makes them look cool, and nicotine gives them a buzz, essentially.

it does?

Isn't it cheaper to just not breath to get the same buzz...?

Yes, but it's more work.  And nicotine is more powerful.

holding your breath is more work?

interesting...

*smiles*   weel, sure.    After the initial gagging and coughing, smoking is as easy as breathing.

And they don't show any cool in the movies holding their breath.    ;)

well, maybe the smart people need to look more cool then

as in all the smokers will have cancer and no hair, and the non-smoking population will have energy and hair

*bounces around*

see, it's cooler to stay alive than not

Sadly, there's fake hair for them, and cancer is too slow for most people to take it too seriously.

We have lots of people who are addicted to smoking, who shrug and dismiss the threat of cancer, saying: "Well, you have to die of something, right?"

cancer is too slow?

I've watched my grandma wither from healthy to scarecrow from lung-cancer, it took months, and she couldn't beat it. She was not a smoker, but her friends were...

Second-hand smoking is the worst, as innocent suffer more

I really dislike smokers, sorry

*chuckles*   I hate smoking, so you're not going to offend me by insulting smokers, even know I know several and consider them friends.
(I think they're stupid to smoke, and they know that).

By "too slow" I mean that while cancer or emphysema can kill someone in months, it takes many years, even decades, for someone to show the signs of it.
So too many people seem perfectly healthy for most of their lives before their bodies succumb to the ravages caused by smoking.
And by then it's too late for them to realize their mistake.

Yes, I know many people who love to smoke, to enjoy the high that nicotine gives them. And when people say that they should quit before it's too late, they rationalize that since they don't feel bad right then, that it must be okay, for now.

As you can imagine, denial is a strong trait in smokers, as it is with all drug addicts.

yeah, all the smokers live in denial

I hope they brought a boat

*grins*  Yes, a boat is a good place for them, down wind of the rest of us.

and I'm sure that river has plenty of room.  :)

I am starting to suspect it will be rather full soon

there are plenty of people living there

I thought people would have stopped smoking by now

all the marlboro-men has died of cancer, and they still start smoking

As long as there is money to be made, effort will be made to get people to smoke.

People will always love drugs, and the high they can get from nicotine.
And since it doesn't kill people instantly, people who want the high can rationalize that it's "not too bad" and convince themselves that it's not a big deal.

yeah, it's sad really

But then again, I love the feeling of getting something, as in understanding something new

that's my kinda high

*grins*  Yes, me too.   Sadly, that's considered much too much work for most people, who want instant gratification.

instant gratification, that is to clean something really really dirty, you know a floor that looks grey, you wipe a little on it with a wet-cloth and it's voila green

and then you wash all of it, and it feels so awesome

*chuckles*  if only more people got that kind of satisfaction from good, honest work.

I suspect I was brought up just right...

I love cleaning and making stuff go from dirty to, oooh my, is it really that color?

also, reading, is another kind of high, but it is so bothersome when one character is killed of, or damaged, so you cry, and no one around you know why the crazy with a book is bawling her eyes out

That's why we have the internet, so we can find other book nerds to commiserate with about our favorite books.  :)

I couldn't read past the first "Game Of Thrones" book, for example, because of that.

ah yes, I stay away from the game of thrones so much

they scary, or well, bad for once tear-ducts

I've watched some of the shows  and, while I'll admit that they're very well done, I just get a bit overwhelmed that nearly EVERYONE is evil and vicious, with the few characters with any morals or scruples treated like chickens in a wolf den.

Nearly everyone has had such a horrible life in their backstory that it's a bit much.

it's like the maker wanted to make the worst story ever, and see if anyone would buy it

weirdly enough, he succeeded

There's been a lot of "everyone suffers" stories on television in the last decade or so.  Many that have so much drama that there's barely time to catch ones breath between episodes, with lots of "unexpected twists and turns" and such.

There's also a comedy bit called "How 'Game of Thrones' should end".
As the last scene ends, the camera pans up, higher and higher, until the city becomes a map of the city, which expands to show a map on a table surrounded by six teenagers, all playing Dungeons and Dragons.

Then the audience realizes that "Game of Thrones", with its angry, maladjusted homicidal knights, its parade of half naked women (most of them bisexual) and its unending scenes of people killing each other for not good reason, that OF COURSE THE ENTIRE THING MUST A HORNY TEENAGER'S D&D GAME!!!!   *smiles*

some of them are rather clever

I was hoping it was because we suddenly demand viewers to think and be attentive to get what is happening

might also be, it has to be much drama, so explosive, to keep attention...

Yes, there's so much competition that everything has to be over the top with drama, just to get people's attention.

yesh, drama used to be in the soap-operas and them only

now it has arrived in 'normal' tv-series

aaaalso, it bothers me, that every time there is a 'strong' female character, she is strong because something bad happened in her past, and she is damamged and hides it by being strong and blaha blaha...

why can't we have a strong female character that just is strong, without some traumatizing event?

and let her not be attacked and traumatized, so she'll stay strong because she wants to be strong

or am I asking for too much?

*grins*  I totally agree, though I suspect you're asking too much.   I was just reading about how there have been enough Superman and Batman remakes to fill a video store, but no Wonder Woman movie, and even not live TV show since the 70s.

Many people, mostly men, are still threatened by strong female characters, and need to give them flaws to keep them humble, it seems.

Though some of the flaws make them more interesting than some generic strong character.

flaws I accept, everyone has to have a flaw

but does it have to be traumatizing and weird? Like female character falls in love with someone, that someone dies horribly, it has to be avenged?

okay Batman had the same deal, so bad example

why not a female the phantom?

well, there is several of the phantom that has been female, but only when the real phantom is hurt, never from beginning to end

The Phantom came from an "old school" of heroes who were more four color and straight forward.   They were good, but they were, no offence, somewhat bland, too.
They were entertaining, but they tended to be somewhat two dimensional and generic, with only their enemies or locations giving them any real depth.

I just watched a documentary about Stan Lee, and Marvel Comics.   He was a pioneer at giving superheroes flaws and human failings, and while many in recent times have been competing for "most traumatized", it's good to see some flaws in a person to make them relatable and interesting.

These things swing back and forth like a pendulum.  I've seen it before, especially with DC and Marvel comics.

In the 60s, DC was very bland and cartoony, fighting bland aliens and goofy villains, while Marvel was being angsty and dramatic.
Then DC got dramatic in the 70s and 80s, getting into race relations and drug use, while Marvel got more comical and lighthearted.
DC got more comical in the 90s, while Marvel got darker and more melodramatic.

It's just a matter of what people want.

The backstory of Deadpool, a popular Marvel anti-hero/villain, reads like a story that is secretly a cry for help from a suicidal 12 year old sociopath.

Even Batman's story varied since his creation, from mildly determined in the 50s and 60s to dark and driven in the 80s and 90s.

But that kind of drama will get old eventually, and people will enjoy more confident and well adjusted heroes soon enough.
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I love the phantom

*sad face*

But yes, I do understand that he was bland, now he is more "Oh my gawd can't die yet, kids aren't old enough to take over yet"

as it is a family-thing, to be the phantom, so he used to be all head into danger and no regard for safety, now he is a little... well, he still heads into danger like a maniac, but now he questions, did I go too far?

I don't get the marvel and DC thingy, it's two different printers of comics, yes?

*smiles*   Sorry, I didn't mean to insult the phantom.   I like him, too.  As I do The Lone Ranger and many other heroes of that kind.
Like the old superhero stories where the hero would see a bad guy, fly off to defeat him, and then fly into the sunset.   No character development, no insight into the character, no change in the character from episode to episode, except who he was against that week.

The Phantom has gotten better, as most heroes have, that might be a bad example.  I think his older stuff was less developed, though.

The old serials were fun, but in a non-threatening, "The hero will always win, so don't worry about that" kind of way.

Well heroes always win, otherwise they'd met deadpool

I heard somewhere online that there was a story-line where he killed everyone, even the makers and the readers...

but yes, phantom has had a few story-lines where one isn't quite sure if he is dead this time, or his wife is dead... and this allows for character development

To be honest, there's a difference between the suspense of not knowing if the hero will live (though we all know he will), and the drama of character development.     Many heroes face death all the time, and seem totally unchanged,  and that's the way we like them.

it'd be pretty horrible if they all got PTSD

it is a horrible thing to have, but seeing a hero get it, would feel even worse

Yes, we want the heroes to have flaws, like we would, and even to react to things a bit like we would, but we don't want them to be totally traumatized like we would be.
If I were a superhero, I'd probably have a bit of stress.   If, on the other hand, some super villain tried to murder me, I'd probably never sleep again.   :)

well, the thing with super villains, if they kill their opponent, wouldn't life be boring?

ever heard of the movie "megamind" ?

it is rather awesome

Yes, I loved that movie.   All the more so because of the realism of the situation.

In the comics, the villain is always trying to kill the hero, but there are usually plenty of other heroes or obstacles, so the ramifications are never considered.


It's like in the old cartoon (well, not 'old' exactly, it was from the 1990s) called "Earthworm Jim", a very funny and strange cartoon that made fun of some of the superhero stereotypes.
One had a super villain who's only goal was to blow up the entire universe, destroying everything and everyone.
One time his henchman asked "What are you going to do after that, boss?"
The Villain paused, a little confused by the question.
"Hmmmm...I dunno..."  He replied.  "I've never really thought about it.   Dance around a bit, I suppose.  Gloat for a while.  That kind of thing."


Still, in the comics, the bad guys are always trying to kill the good guys, and that would be a little scary after a while.

I am always amazed how they keep doing it, as humans rarely have a long enough attention-span to make toast, then why do villains be so determined?

and not just go for the easier targets, like the non super-people, everyone in the town, to get to super-person

Usually most super villains are more "melodramatic" and damaged than the heroes, with scarred psyches and tortured backstories of rejection and pain, so that gives them the almost psychotic ambition to make death rays and super robots.

And, when you've achieved all that, it's not very satisfying to beat up 'civilians'.
It would be like me beating up 4 year old kids.   Easy, but boring very quickly since it has no challenge.

well yes, but beating up the civilians would hurt the super-persons chances of not being backstabbed because one would say: I'll stop when super-person is dead

and I think I am a little too evil for my own good

yes, that's been done before, where a villain said that they'd destroy the world unless the people turned in their heroes.
Many times, the population tries to do it.

It's the ultimate hostage situation.   DC has done it a few times.

And yes, it's VERY evil.   :)

well, I love my chaotic evil, or then just plain evil with added evil

muahahaha

I'm rather nice in real life, so I have to let my evil thingies out on line, where I can't hurt anyone

too much of an empathical person to be able to really be evil

I've had some evil fantasies, too.   I'm much too nice and timid in real life to do them, but my fantasy life is another story.  :)

The thing is, I am a small woman, I look innocent and weak, I need to get more muscle to not be such a target all the time

but yes, I have to be evil, to get out all the frustration from men thinking, I'm an easy target.

I am not an easy target, I will scream and kick if anyone tries, some just don't understand a 'no' thought

and as the culture in Finland is, if you drunk and a girl, you aren't supposed to ever say 'no' oh, and god forbid you talk the wrong language

damnit, I need to start kick-boxing or something, to build muscle

We are getting better at it, but we still have a "blame the rape victim" problem here as well.


I believe if a woman goes into a rough bar in a skimpy outfit, gets really drunk, dances suggestively on the bar, and walks home through dark alleys, she STILL doesn't deserve to be raped.
Now, she might deserve to have her mother drag her home by the hair to lock her in the basement until she gets her life under control, but that's about it.


I'm fairly tall and somewhat muscular (I still have most of my farm muscles) but I know that it wouldn't take more than a few guys to over power me, especially if they have weapons.  So I need to be careful too.


carrying a stick or something somewhat dangerous might be a good option for you.

I carry a knife at all times, I will not attack more than cut myself lose and then run like the wind

I am not an idiot, men be much stronger than me, some women too (Women rarely attack other females, but it happens) so I am good at running

I used to carry an attack-alarm too, but it wouldn't do as it was supposed to, as in it went off when it shouldn't

rather annoying to have a 120 db alarm go off in a public swim house thingy...

It's sad that we have to protect ourselves, but I'm glad that you have a plan.

shall we put it like this

damaged goods makes sure to never be damaged again

also, it sucks...

I know many people with hard lives, both past and present, and it seems a hard way to live.  On the other hand, they're more prepared to fight for themselves then I am.

It's a tough compromise.

one loses trust in other when damaged, so one has to protect oneself

aaand damn it's snowing something awful all of a sudden...

I've never been damaged, though I've felt the pain of rejection and a bit of bullying.     Still, it's made me a little stronger, I hope.


Good luck with the snow.  I know the northern US is still having trouble with it.

well it stopped already, it just made the ice slippery

well, I have this thing where I am vocal about my opinions and small, which has lead to people taking offense and thinking I can be physically silenced, so things has been happening to me almost all of the time I was in school, and as soon as school was over, in clubs and bars

So I cause some of it, but other times I am just in the wrong place in the wrong time, this has not made me lose trust in people, but being abused, by an ex-boyfriend did, he was current one when it happened, I trusted him, sadly I think I never again can fully trust anyone, but I'm waiting for the right person to prove me wrong

aaand snow has been coming down a lot this year, in all the wrong places too, it's almost like mother nature is drunk or then just angry

Yes, the "Polar Vortex" is still wreaking havoc in this country.


I was always more shy and timid, keeping my opinions to myself.  I was very awkward as a kid, with a bit of a stutter when I was nervous, so speaking to others was always a trial.  So I didn't really do much in the way of conversation until late in school.
I'm making up for it now, blurting out my opinion wherever I can, though I'm still timid, by experience, with people I don't know.
Also, I'm nervous about the backlash, like people I talk to in restaurants spitting in my food.

people would attack food if they get angry with the person eating it?

really?

some folk are just petty, one does not ruin food, ever

I like food, I like making food, and if I manage to make it so it tastes awesome, I will be a happy canary

I don't even know if canaries are happy, but meah, they sing

I can't but anyway, food is wayyyyyyyy off limits

also, I'd kick their asses

It would be a very rare thing, I'm sure, but hatred of other kinds of people who offend them is very strong.

I always wonder if I mention that I'm an atheist, for example, if the vast amount of bible thumping Christians here will retaliate against me.
Most would just be harmlessly disdainful, but there are actually religious groups here who actively teach that atheists are horrible people with no morals and no sense of right and wrong.

so subhuman?

scary...

Personally I believe in everything, and refuse to belong to any one idea

as in there is all the gods, goddesses and spirits, ghosts, angels, elephants, the whole shebang, aaand then they don't exist, like it is only a hormone thing in our brains demanding that we believe in a higher power

so...

I am a human, and I will always do things that are to make lives better for me and others, not to better my life on the cost of another, but just better lives, everyone's lives

and I have been in many fights about this, apparently, humans weren't able to treat each other decently before christianity and thank to that we have laws and rules, and aaaaaaaah

I just want to be one thing, and that is a decent human-being that doesn't harm anyone unless to get away from an attacker, is that so hard to understand that I can do that, without religion?

sorry, I ranted

*smiles*   no problem my friend.   I do the same rant all the time.    Some conservative Christians here can be so closeminded thst they actively teach that not only are their "morals" superior to "heathens", but that non Christian people are lacking in them altogether.
Some even are convinced that atheists are only atheists because "they want to sin against God and get away with it, or they are made at him".

*blink, blink*

They keep using that word, I don't think they know what that word means

*twitch*

oh well, as long as I don't accidentally meet them, I might be okay, I have this horrible streak of never giving up

I've butted heads with a few of them.   They don't stop either.   They just nod and smiles and walk away, convinced that we atheists "just aren't ready to accept God's love".



They have a circular logic that is particularly frustrating.

they keep using that word too "god's love" like they have the right to decide how much god loves

and it bothers me

Yes, they use God's "authority" to do whatever they want.

(The Princess Bride reference,  if that's what that was, was spot on, by the way.)

princess bride is always relevant

and yeah, they hide their own idea behind a book, so I'll just not associate with people like that

I have an opinion and I don't have to hide it, then why would I allow people that hide theirs, be allowed near me?

Most quotable movie ever!


Yes, I hate how so many people hide behind God when they're doing something hateful.    Like they're"just following orders"

following orders puts one in a bad spot anyway

at some point you'll have to take responsibility

better for own goof off and mistakes, than be turned into a whole groups scape goat

The sad thing is, their "group" are other fundamentalist Christians, so none of them take responsibility and support each other when they say that "God hates that" or "God says that's a sin".

Like when I talk to them about gay marriage, which, if you didn't already know, is gaining momentum here in the states.
Many of them say "I'm against it because God is against it".  And that's it.
No logical thought.  No conclusions.  No idea WHY God is "against it".
Just that it's "in the Bible, and that's enough."

It drives me crazy.   As Patton Oswald, another stand up comedian once said:
"If they'd just admit that THEY didn't like Gay Marriage, or Gay People, then at LEAST we could start a dialogue about it.  But all this crap about insisting that it's really GOD who doesn't like it is just getting nowhere."

that's when one asks about the other things in the bible

like no tattoos, no shellfish, no work on sundays and how one should sell people into slavery

and end it with, the book is 1000s of years old, can't you just realize we might have grown a little since then

or then just roll eyes and walk of, they're not worth to be wasted breath on

Yes, they dismiss things that they want to, and obsess over things they want to, and don't anything strange about that.   It's pure crazy.

so don't argue with crazy, gotcha

just lead the lives we want, and if they come at you using a bible to hit you, then you call the cops, gotcha

also, keep away from some areas of USA

*smiles*   Oddly, as much as I complain about it, the USA is pretty tame for religious persecution.
It's officially outlawed long ago, so it's more like racism.   Officially discouraged, so any practitioners have to be very subtle and not be caught by the officials.

There was a poll out that said that only about 13% of Americans would vote for an atheist for President, even voting for someone of a religion they dislike before someone without one.
So people will look down on someone from other beliefs, even if they're not supposed to.

But it's incredibly rare for people to be actively persecuted, like in the Middle East and other parts of the world.   Here it's more quiet distain from the Evangelicals more than anything violent or forceful.

I thought you had this one group, that aims to ruin everything, westboro baptist?

anyway, they ruin funerals with their hate

GAAAHHH!!!!    Yikes!!!  Don't get me started on the Westboro Baptist Church!!!

*shudders angrily*



THOSE scumbags are even an embarrassment among fanatical extremists and have slowly but surely the butt of jokes from even other extreme groups.

They were protesting at the Arlington National Cemetery near Washington DC, about a year ago or so, and were confronted by another group that contained many veterans, who successfully counter protested against them, angry at how disrespectful the church was to the heroes of the American Military.

That second group was the Ku Klux Klan, a white supremacist group that started back in the 1920s and has been the butt of jokes and derision for decades.

So when THE KU KLUX KLAN are against you and the Klan are perceived as the GOOD GUYS, that's really saying something about how screwed up the Westboro Baptist Church is.

oh, I heard that hell angels hated them, but also ku klux klan?

they'll die out soon

I heard this one rumor thought, that the only way westborobaptist can get money, is by getting their asses kicked and then suing them

so really, we should stop kicking their asses, and just call cops on them, with nice harassment charges...

*Crosses fingers*

here's me hoping that kind of crazy never comes here

Unfortunately under American law I'm not sure they are doing anything wrong. It awful ethically but it may not be illegal.

I've heard that they are not allowed to go to Canada or The UK, so, now the rest of the world need to ban them

so they'll keep their crazy away from us

and just because something is legal, doesn't mean it is nice to do, or even that it should be done or even thought of

I agree.

I hadn't heard that, but I'm impressed if that's true.    Sadly, they feel it's their 'religious right' and their 'freedom of speech' to say such horrible things, so it's a tricky thing to try to stop them.

so it's my religious right to start a church that will kick their asses then

we will pray to me, and then go kick their asses, and as it is my right to do so, they can't sue, muahahahahaha

*grins*  Actual physical contact is a no-no, but telling a person that they're going to Hell is apparently a God Given Right.

They don't see it as bullying.   They see it as "Speaking God's Truth".
(again, hiding their hate behind the bible)

such grumble

so scaredy cats

one should have opinions one is proud of, not hide them behind a bible

okay, I know of people that are proud of being racist and shit, so they should still be kicked in the butt

Very true.   It's the epitome of cowardice to hide behind another.


Racism is another thing I can't understand.   It's the ultimate laziness.   Someone who'd rather blame someone else for their problems.

the neatest thing I read ever, was when one said, no idea who:

"If you hate immigrants for taking your job, maybe you should look at how bad of a job you do if someone that recently moved to the country, barely speaks the language, is able to take it"

or something like it

but it is true ain't it, if you lose your job to someone that isn't qualified, how good of a job can you be doing in the first place?

Yes, we have that problem here with Mexican immigrants.    Granted, with "outsourcing", which sends manufacturing jobs to places like China, India and other poor countries, it's a matter of economics; Manufacturers can pay workers a tiny fraction of the salary that Americans ask for.
But many people also complain about "Mexicans coming over the border and taking our jobs!"

Though most of the jobs that they take are picking fruit and vegetables, motel maids, or construction jobs that entail working in the hot sun all day.
Jobs that most Americans don't want.


But we are very entitled in this country, and aren't used to fighting and competing for work and a place in society.

well, you need to man up and get ready to fight, because complaining won't do jack

or that is what one should say

I remember when it was in that one tv-series with Archie bunker..? No idea the name, where he freaked out over females working in his field, they were paid less for their work, but it still bothered him

anyway, it's ancient ideas to be afraid, just get better and more educated to keep the work you want to keep, and not complain

"All In The Family".   A very wonderful show, and very much ahead of its time.  :)

Yes, Archie Bunker was quite the epitome of the lazy, entitled, prejudice American.  Too lazy to get better at their job, and would rather complain about losing it.

And people here do fight, but they fight to deport the Mexicans and to try to discriminate them, not to out work them.  It's easier, apparently.

it's easier to deport a whole bunch of people, then opening a book?

aaaaaaaah! the logic, it burns

*grins*  Yes, because they can just yell at other people, like the police or Congress, to do the deporting, so they can go back to complaining about something else.
Reading a book is work that THEY have to do.   :)

I think I need an adult

Because this, is so painful logic

*smiles*   it's just simple laziness.    There are people here who blame others for their problems.   They imagine that other people, particularly other races, get preferential treatment, for various reasons (and there are rare cases when they're right), so they blame these other races for their own failures, rather than trying to improve.

The logic is, "I'm being punished for my race, so it's not my fault I'm a failure."

wait...

they narcissists?

I used to work for a narcissist, never again, she couldn't take responsibility for even the smallest fault, it was always our fault or if we weren't near the object that broke, the janitors fault, or someone in storage...

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

Perhaps not narcissists as much as just not wanting to admit fault or to admit being wrong about anything.    Just normal Arrogance, really.

oh, I am one of those that take pride in claiming responsibility for my messes

one can't grow if one can't stand behind ones own mistakes

one of the being: I lied about almost anything when I was younger, so some people won't believe anything I say nowadays

oh well, I can't mend those bridges, they were killed by a younger more idiotic me

Yes, I still rue the mistakes I made when I was younger, but time will fix anything, if you have enough of it.

And part of the problem of the people who hide behind the Bible is that they DON'T want to 'grow'.  They think they're just fine the way they are.

I'd wanna be a fly on the wall when they try to get into heaven and they're turned away because they spewed hate...

buahahahahaha

As an atheist, I'm almost sorry that there isn't a God who can slap them in the head for the horrible things they've done.

It does lead to all kinds of good jokes, though.   Like St. Peter, at the Pearly Gates, is actually like "Big Gay Al" from South Park.

Yeah, the one holding the keys are one awesome person that is more than one gender

and personally I think all this crap about different genders and races is not something any religion made up, it's just humans, using their free will to be obnoxious

and I haven't seen south park since... 6 years back, so I have no idea who Big Gay Al is

I think Big Gay Al might be older than that, but he's a very minor character.

He's a boy scout leader, I think, who is just lots of fun and is very "fabulous".  :)

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well well, he's flamboyantly flamboyantly... extremely flamboyantly gay

it's odd

Yes, he was a fun character.   The show had a knack for making fun of stereotypes and also being very odd and goofy.

odd in a good way

weeeee

Most South Park characters are odd in a good way.   :)

Also "Archer", too.

and adventure times

and brickleberry

and the venture brothers

and I think I watch too much odd...

I'm not a fan of Brickleberry, but I love Venture Brothers.    I can't wait for the new season.

shall we put it like this

brickleberry needs alcohol to be enjoyable

but then again, I don't discriminate against anything, I can watch brain dead things

I had this roomie that always demanded to watch intelligent things, and it became annoying when I watched 300 and she started complaining about how brain-dead it is

I was watching it, I have no idea why she had to ruin my movie, gah...

I tend to have more "intelligent" tastes than many of my co-workers, and I try, usually without success, to not complain about their favorite shows.
I like some "brain dead" things, though some are too much for me.


"300" was fun, though silly, you're right about that.   There are many movies and shows that you just can't take seriously, since they were never meant that way.   "300" wasn't meant to be a documentary, after all.   :)

I like a lot of Daniel Tosh's stand up, but his Brickleberry stuff is just too lowbrow for me, I think.

well, with booze I can watch it, without, I stay away from it, like the plague

when sober I watch venture bros' and banshee, and csi, criminal minds and ncis

yes, I like criminal type shows, and I do understand that the shit they pull of in csi is bullshit, it takes many many weeks to get fingerprints tested in databases... and such, but I still like it

I usually don't go out of my way to watch crime shows, but I enjoy NCIS.   I have a HUGE crush on Abby, for one.   :)

I also love comedy shows, like Daily Show, @Midnight, and The Colbert Report.

I'm also following Agents of Shield.

well Abby is amazing, the fact that she knows what she is doing in real life too, is even funnier, as she studied criminal science

and well, Pauley Perrette does so much for everyone to make this world a better place

I love Ziva, she was amazing, sadly she left the show, but one can always watch old episodes

Ziva was fun as well.   I liked all the characters of NCIS.   They're all fun and well developed.

I have to say, I didn't realize McGee joined the team in season one already

I was trying to see if there was another female agent before Kate, and there doesn't seem to be one, I think I mixed them up with CSI, where the first episode someone died...

ah, one remembers so badly at times

That's why I don't watch many of those cop shows.   Most blend together for me.   :)

well, I has terrible memory

if I had better, I'd be a great liar, as it is now, I don't

I might lie by omission, but that isn't lying

I just forget what is important and what I know... I easily forget names of people too... They need to bring back those 90s necklaces with names on them

There has always been a lot of muddled memories when I try to recall many of my favorite old shows.   A lot of them blur together.

I have a few memories of movies I can't find, and music I can't find, because they're too similar to things made later

and the movie was recorded from tv, so there was a big bit in the beginning missing...

bleah, memory is unreliable

Yes, my lady studies memory in Psychology, and found it to be very unreliable.

Eye Witness Testimony, once thought to be the best evidence ever, is now being revealed as very sloppy and easily corrupted by time and other memories.

how many criminals walked because it was corrupted, I wonder

Or the opposite.   Probably more innocent people were convicted due to eye witness testimony, especially in years gone past.
Particularly people who were of a different race than the accuser.

ah, I've never quite understood why it's that way

The is a city in Finland that has this weird problem, there is a gang of asian delinquents, and they are never arrested for anything, because they can't say who did what, so they let this bunch of kids get away with lots of stuff

just because 'they all look the same'

it is an odd situation, because the kids know this, and they dress the same to confuse even more, it's creepy

Yes, criminals are always very quick to exploit any loophole like that.

It's why a lot of gangs dress the same.

Hopefully the asian gang will fall prey to video evidence, or an asian witness.

there is video evidence, it's just not good enough, they need high definition images, ah, they'll trip up and make a mistake, all do, there are no human that is able to not make a mistake

Patience is good to have *Grins*

Criminals always screw up in the end, so patience is a very good thing.   :)

so, it's raining something awful over in my country

and this means huge snow banks melts and reveals the things lost in snow

and it is usually toys, clothing (hats and mittens), mobile-phones and benches, because when they push snow with huge machines benches also is pushed

anyway, a snow-bank melted to reveal an x-box 360

and it is ruined by snow and water, but I still wondered, how do you lose and x-box 360 into a snowbank?

I wonder if some guy was playing it too much and his girlfriend threw it out into the snow to get back at him?
Not a bad idea, sometimes.  :)


We're having a little bit of rain, but our Hurricane season isn't for another few months.

hmm, well that would be an idea

hurricane, season?

oooh, well, aren't I glad the worst we have is strong winds and rain, never hurricane levels

We have lots of horrible weather here.   Hurricanes from the south, off the Gulf of Mexico, and Tornados, from the north, the center of The United States referred to as "Tornado Alley", in the Midwest of the country.

There's some crazy weather here.  :)

ouch

snow and ice is the worst we have, you have flying stuff, ooooh

stuff that isn't supposed to fly

Yes, we're at the very western edge of Hurricane areas, and at the very southern edge of Tornado areas, so we get both.   Not as bad as some places, but we get both.

Still, i'm used to huge snow storms up north, so this is almost the same, honestly.

except snow storms rarely make cars go flying, or wood fly really hard

or have I misunderstood hurricanes? and tornados?

*smiles*   No, you understand them very well.   Though not all are that bad, or that wide spread, and there's only a short time of the year, a few months normally, where they happen.

It's a scary thing, and people here have adapted to withstand them pretty well, unless it's really bad.

we only hear about the really bad ones, so I didn't know there was smaller ones

but yay, I understand something

so, hurricane season, like our winters, it is also a couple of months of weirdness

I'm from the northern part of the United States originally, so I remember the brutal winters up there very well.   It's one of the reasons I put up with the harsh summers and occasional hurricane or tornado scare down here in Texas.  :)

but the storms down here, while somewhat common, aren't too bad.  There's a lot of thunderstorms and good wind storms, but the actual hurricanes and tornados are pretty rare.  And they're getting pretty good at predicting and detecting them.

oooh

cool, do they have an anti-hurricane thing, like have they ever tried to shut them off?

with some odd contraption

*Curious*

*chuckles*   I wish.   No, it's more 'old fashioned' than that.    It's more a matter of being better able to predict them with more advance notice.

Dealing with them is the same as it's been for centuries.  Just hunker down somewhere solid, like a cellar or the center of your house, and wait it out.

cellars...

if there ever came a hurricane over here, we'd be in deep shit, no one has a cellar anywhere

We actually don't have many cellars here, because it floods so much with the heavy rains.  So most houses, including ours, have at least one room, like a lavatory, in the center of the house with no windows, where people can go to wait out a tornado.


many schools and other structures can serve as shelters, too.

hurricane rooms?

and it's highly illegal in my country to build rooms without windows, even closets has to have windows

it's laughable really

It's not a good idea, generally, but when hurricanes and tornados can smash windows and send broken glass flying around a room, it's a sensible thing to have a windowless room.

Why is it illegal there?

something about there always being a way out, if the house burns, and the ability to have air circulate in all rooms, if electricity fails

but the windows allowed are too small for anyone bigger than a toddler, so it really is a weird law

I don't get it, but meah

probably people made the bare minimum size of windows to accommodate the law, I suspect.
Windows are expensive, after all.   :)

yes, yes they are

my dad told me, they built a house, and he made one window too far out, so it leaks heat

so he is thinking about instead of lifting it out, possibly damaging it, to just add a second window, making it extra think

they are triple windows from the start, which means 6 sheets of glass in that one room, should keep it nice and warm for one

he was lucky, his house is old enough to take the triple windows, if he'd started building it later, they'd be forced to take the 4-layer window thing, Finnish laws are odd... Save on electricity, you have to have this many layers of glass-panes in your windows or we'll fine you

There are many building codes here, too.   Many things about where electrical outlets can be, how high a water heater has to be off the ground, and many other things.

Many of it has to do with safety and energy conservation, certainly.

well there has to be rules, or the building deciders would be out of a job

and it's cause unnecessary accidents and fires, that would take the fire-fighters away from real emergencies

and meah, logic

Yes, very true.   We were looking at a house to buy years ago, and it was built by a man himself, and it was a total mess.  Cracked foundation, no insulation, and water problems.
The man had no idea what he was doing.

0,o

I'd buy it, have it torn down and built a new house, using the same size as the old one, so I wouldn't have to apply for a new permission to build house thing

or can you just build houses without permission slips?

In Finland housing plans and size has to be approved by the building committee, to make sure it follows the laws and such, and that it won't overload the electricity grid, thingy

but then again, I can't build a house either, but I can pay people to do it for me, if I'd have money... damn, maybe I should shut it

I think he had all the needed permits, he just bit off more than he could chew and the project was too much for him.

We were looking for a cheap house, so rebuilding, or even fixing it, weren't an option.

We ended up buying an old church to live in.  That was a nice house, though quirky.

church? You can buy churches?

Here a church is never for sale, it is owned by the government, and paid for to be a place to pray in if needed

if they need more money they become road-side churches, for tourists to visit, but they'll always be churches, and never for sale

How does one live in a church or even buy it, don't the priests and masses make your sleep weird?

*smiles*  It was a church that wasn't being used any more, actually.


It was a Free Methodist church (I have no idea what that particular denomination is all about) where the pastor, who lived in an apartment above the church, retired.  The church association (the Free Methodist Council, or whatever they were) tried to find a new pastor, but there were no takers, and soon the parishioners went to other churches (there were at least a dozen in the town).

So the church association, who owned the building, put it up for sale.


Churches can't be owned by the State here, since our Constitution demands for a separation between Church and State (though many religious people want to change that).
All churches are privately owned, and supported through donations from worshippers.

In the town I'm in, here in Texas, there are literally dozens of them.  From over a dozen different denominations.

the government own them, they are seen as pieces of art

we do not mix church and politics, because that would be silly, politics is younger than church so it'd be like mixing oil and water

anyway, our churches are in use, and will forever remain churches, the 'youngest' churches we have, are like 300 years young

but then we have these new religions, methodists and missionary, and jehovas, that I have no idea who owns their churches and what they do with them, just that the big religions

Lutheran and catholicism are all belong to state, so they will never be anything but churches, and will never be sold.

The churches themselves pay for any damages, need new bell, they have to collect the money themselves, new roof, the same, so really, religion rents a pretty house to be religious in

ah, that makes sense.     Here in America, where many Europeans were religious immigrants back in the 17th through 20th centuries, churches went up all over, some of them being little more than shacks, and sometimes people went from town to town to set up tents for "revival meetings".

we've actually been told about how people "ran" away to america to be allowed to worship their way to their gods, so I'm not surprised

back then, we had no tolerance for people not worshiping as it said, and not invent harsher worshiping ways

let me quote my teacher: "They ran away to be allowed to condemn others way of worshiping religion, calling it freedom to worship their way"

I don't know if it is true, but it's funny way of making people remember things if nothing else

*chuckles*     To be brutally honest, it's pretty accurate, if a little over simplified.


The Puritans and other religious extremists fled here to escape persecution in Europe, but many also showed the same intolerance towards other religions here.
Perhaps because they were afraid of being squeezed out again, or perhaps just because that's how fanatics are.

But, especially here in the South, there's a lot of religious intolerance.   Not much actual persecution, necessarily, but lots of people who look down on other religions, and, "God Forbid!", people with no religion.

hmm, it was school, everything to make people do anything other than just play with their phones

every religion out there has some version of "love thy neighbor"

and still we don't, because the neighbor isn't like us... gah, oh the humanity

*smiles*      Yes, many religious people have an amazing gift for rationalizing hate and oppression, despite the many words in the Bible to the contrary.

buahahaha

Jesus stuttered

everyone keep thinking the old testament is still valid, even thought I think it was meant to be replaced by the new one, as in the old one they had this eye for en eye and hand away from thieves and so

good christians should know what it says, but only follow the new, as it was meant to be... sigh

but I'm not a priest, and if I was, I'd be burned at the stake, I suppose...

If I were a priest,  I'd have long ago been kicked out for telling parishioners things lime "Meh, just don't be a jerk and I'm sure God would be cool with it".

I've said for years that all holy books should have only one page, with the words "BEHAVE YOURSELF" on it.   If ya gotta ask if you're behaving yourself, you're probably not.    :)
That won't necessarily stop the real fanatics, but it should weed out the sheep that follow them so we can focus on the real problemppeople.

I actually love the golden rule

Treat everyone like you'd want to be treated

the same as karma in other religions

and yes, let's start a religion where we have a very very thick book, with only one sentence in it, repeated on all the pages in different fonts

BEHAVE YOURSELF!!!!!

Yes, every religious and philosophy, pretty much, has a version of "Do Unto Others".     It's just common sense, really.   ;)

It's the kind of thing that you don't need God to know about.

it's sad how much we managed to mess up really

do unto others, but don't mess with rich people, they can get away with murder...

we used to trade things worth something, and now we all worship a cold metal that couldn't save anyone if it was the last thing one owned

oh well, as long as I can be proud of what I do, I am happy, if I manage to make even one other being help one other being, then I am happy :)

yes, all we can do is just be good enough for ourselves.   as corny as that sounds.

okay, let's be corny

at least corny allows us to be nice human beings

Yes, I'm prone to corniness and being too sentimental.

wohooo

as long as we don't turn into corndogs :)

I'm an American, so we're all probably half corndog.

(and they make a good veggie version, too)

I wanted to try corndogs, but when I asked the vendor if they have a version without corn in it

they looked at me like I suggested we blow up the declaration of independence or something

So, I haven't tried them, I did try a real american hot dog thought, they were yummy

You could probably made a corn-free version, but it's probably hard to find one.

It's too bad about allergies.

yes yes it is

some things I can eat, even thought I'm allergic

some things, I can't even look at

my mom blames the new way of treating foods, like we mess with it too much, nothing is natural anymore, therefore I can't eat it

I've heard many other theories, too.   That could be very possible, though.  Too bad all natural food is expensive.

the reason why ecological food is so expensive, is cause you have to use much more time weeding and killing bugs

cause they don't use pesticides, and shit is expensive, as in when you want to chuck some manure on it to help it grow, it is more costly than just chucking some chemical beads on the plants

and a lot of the food get lost to animals, unless using expensive fencing

so yeah, food be expensive, this why we really should all have small gardens at home for our own food production and only buy a little food from stores

but life doesn't work that way, and I know some odd people

*smiles*   Don't worry, I know similar people.   Yes, organic food is more labor intensive, unlike the more "factory/assembly line" food from the supermarket.

I try to buy organic if I can, though I'm not sure how much of a difference it's making.

on your body, loads

most of the pesticides used while they grew, is still on the fruit or vegetable

and they taste nicer without it

Good point, all those chemicals probably add up quickly.   :)

well, some females are unable to have kids, because a lot of the chemicals in the vegetables work like the pill

it's like we put a world wide prevention pill on all females, without them knowing

this doesn't of course mean it is fool proof, only that a small percent of females can't have kids, and it worries me

as they keep adding more and more chemicals in our food, and genetically modified stuff, it is cheaper yes, but it also means we get crap in us, that we have no idea about, all so some bigwig can save a few bucks

Less people having kids is probably a good thing, but I know what you mean.

Sometimes I worry that preservatives and other chemicals will do to us what lead pipes did to the Roman Empire, and slowly weaken our civilization until we fade away.

the sad thing is, we're so obsessed with me me me

that all the rich and entitled jerks, will cause a huge mess yet

and the nature will be so poisonous to us, that we'll fade away

yes, you're right.  We're obsessed with short term solutions, not caring about what happens tomorrow.  Not caring about using everything up, because we can save money and time if we take shortcuts.

I don't think we're doomed, or anything like that, but there'll be a price to pay someday.

well I wonder the day when we will start diving in the oceans deepest place to find more things to look at

because so far, we do not know a lot about what is in the deepest oceans, but we have sent something to mars

so it'll come :)

and we will get scared out of our minds off the creatures that survives in that pressure

*laughs*   yes, I'm worried about waking up Cthulhu or something if we poke around too much, though I'll admit that I still want to see what is there.    They say we know more about the moon than the ocean floor, and I believe it.

the pressure under the sea is so impressive it's hard to make anything able to with-stand it

it is rather interesting how in space, there really is only vacuum

so if I've understood it correctly, no pressure, only absence of everything, so it's not like we could use space-suit on the ocean floor

they aren't made right

yes, there's almost nothing we can make that can withstand the pressure down there.
Which is comforting, since nothing that lives down there can stand the lack of pressure up here.  :)

I hope we get to see it someday, though.   I'd love to learn more about the oceans.

I sort of suspect that it is filled with dinosaurs, which would be awesome

dinosaurs we haven't found skeletons to, as we don't even know they exist yet

eeeeeeek, I liked dinosaurs

and I like the idea of finding new things in general

so if there isn't dinosaurs, then so be it, new species there will be anyway

Kind of like the fish they found a few years ago that had been thought extinct for millions of years.   :)

Yes, some unusual creatures would be very cool to find.

I bet, whatever they find down there

will be used as alien species and pokemons in the few years after they've been found

*laughs*  If they find pokemon in the ocean, I'm definitely moving further inland. :)

well, as long as it isn't the critters from pacific rim

*chases white rabbits*

it's been theorized that even something that big, that was down that deep, wouldn't survive up here, due to the pressure difference.

Though I suppose you never really know until we get down there.

I am rather certain, that whatever we find down there, will be blinded by our sun, fried by the sun, if it didn't pop from the pressure differences

it is rather cold down there, and dark...

so I'm not worried, them evolving into being able to get here hasn't happened yet, and it won't for a few generations, evolution happens over a looooong period of time

and I hate when people think it is something that happens in one go, it took our ancestors millions of years to start walking after all, so why do some insist that we'll evolve in a few hours or years, and therefore deny evolution as a thing...

anyway, it's sad

*smiles*  Yes, some people get all kinds of weird theories, like that monsters from the deep will mutate due to atomic bombs and rise up, like Godzilla.

Yes, the people who don't understand, or want to understand, Evolution are just staggeringly stubborn and sad.   I'm not saying that it's the easiest science to wrap ones head around, but the ones that actively try to deny it without any real logic are very annoying.

it's sad how we have arrived back at everyone living in denial, they should just move to denial and be gone

oh well, trying to explain something to a stupid person is too hard, as they won't listen, so let's be content with how logically we can think and just feel sorry for them that refuse to use their brains

and hope to be able to change even one persons mind, because feeling frustrated and trying to help everyone, isn't working

just see the 'discussion' between Bill Nye and what's his face earlier this year or was it earlier this month...

It's hard to talk to someone that doesn't even talk back

*chuckles*   I'll admit to being as stubborn as anyone, but I like to think that evidence will change my mind.
I supposed we all have opinions that we like more than facts, though.

Yes, the "debate" between Bill Nye and the bible guy was pretty sad.   I've even heard some people say "If the Bible said that 2+2=5, I'd believe it".

I know from science classes that 2 + 2 isn't 4, but it isn't 5 either

as a number is never just a number it might be a bunch of decimals, and explain that to someone that says they'd believe the bible if it said 2+2=5

just, religion was a good idea, still is, sad so many uses it as an excuses and a shield to not use their own brains

Very true.    Religion can be great for giving comfort to scared people.    I personally think it's false hope, but it can still be comforting.
But to have it keep you from learning is just disgraceful.

There was a story on the internet that some religious folks were mad at Neil DeGrass-Tyson because of his "anti Creation"  bias, and were demanding "equal time".

I...

what?

that's...

no, I will not, my mind need to take a break from that stupidity

*smiles*   That's an appropriate reaction.


I just came back from the movie "God is not Dead".   I kind of thought it would be just Christian propaganda and fantasy wish fulfillment, but I wanted to see it just in case it was better than I thought it would be.
It was pretty much exactly what I thought, with two Atheist characters who were exactly what the Christian stereotypes were, and "miracles" that happened just in time to support the story and make the Believers look smart.
It gave all the arguments for God that are always countered by Atheists in real life, but had the movie Atheists clueless about what to do.

Will I have to see "god is not dead"?

or can I just keep watching good movies instead?

movies with a message is always so badly written and all in all executed, so I usually stay away from them like the plague

*laughs*   While I'd love more people to commiserate with, feel free to take my post as a warning to stay away from the movie.

It wasn't the worst movie I'd ever seen (I'm looking at YOU, "Birdemic"!!!) ,but it was obviously written by some people who'd never really understood the people they were making fun of.

oh, so they weren't like me then, I actually read all twilight books to make sure I poke fun at it's fans properly

I have to say, I have never felt so brain dead in my life!!!

and I feel sorry for the actors that had to portray those characters, no one will ever get how they had to not have any emotion or facial movements, but everyone just bash them for being bad actors, when the story is full of absolute crap...

anyway, sorry, I ramble

I will not read the 50 shades of grey, I'll just feel sorry for the people that think that is how one does bdsm... because it isn't, real bondage would never brainwash an innocent and clumsy twat, they'd find someone with their interests and so, not force anyone into it

argh, I am so disappointed in books and movies lately

*smiles*   Yes, many movies and books speak to simple minds with simple solutions.  Even the ones I love.
Even The Avengers movie, which I loved and saw five times in the theaters, had huge plot holes in it.


I saw the Twilight movies.   I started when the books were recommended by people I trusted, who insisted that they got better, and then it was all about a stubborn refusal to believe that they would stay as bad as they started.  :)

I liked a lot of the older actors, like Bella's father and the werewolf's father, but that was about it.  Everyone else was given a plate of crap to play off.

I am probably guilty of judging people I don't like based on stereotypes, but I try to get real or at least factual experience with people I don't like, to better understand them.
(partially because I can't bring myself to truly believe that people could be so stupid about things that are obvious to me, so I keep looking for a good reason for them to feel that way).

I watched the two first twilight movies, and I regret it, I really do... I like the music they chose for the movie, but that's it, so I sometimes sit on youtube and listen to the soundtrack

but I cannot bring myself to watch the rest of the movies, or even rewatch the ones I did see

and I have seen the avengers so many times I almost know it by heart by now

you see, I don't expect it to do anything more than entertain me, and that it manages, so I don't care about plotholes or why something happened, but my taste in movies is entertaining and sometimes serious storylines

I can't wait for them to make a movie about blackwidow and hawkeye, as all the others already have a "How we came to be"-movies about them

And they should make them soon, before everyone gets bored with super-heroes, because I want one made with big enough budget to make it extremely cool!!!!!!!

oh oh, we need one for Nick Fury too

because screw reading the comics, it'd take years to find all the facts, and I don't have the money anyway, if I ever do, I will own all the comics, all the movies and all the books I've wanted to read or watch since I was born, but unable to afford :)

I'd love to see a movie about Hawkeye, but I'm not sure it'll ever be done.    I love the character, but other fans haven't been as nice.
The actor was reportedly unhappy with his part in Avengers and was busy with American Hustle and couldn't be in Captain America.

Still, I want more superheroes, too.   Can't wait for them.    :)

Well Hawkeye spent most of Avengers being an evil brain-washed nimcompoop

so I understand that he'd want to be hawkeye, and not a brainwashed hawkeye

superheroes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yay

In reply to CuteSue (msg # 234):

Yes, I can't blame him for being upset about it.  Most of his best character development was done by other people talking about him, not by him.   :)

Still I've always loved archery, so perhaps I'm a bit biased.

I hope he makes it into another movie, perhaps Antman, and at least Avengers 2.

Well, if they don't take his character and runs with it, I'll be mad, he seems like an awesome character

and the actor is amazing, funnily enough I am re-watching CSI: Las Vegas from the beginning, and I found Jeremy Renner, he was a two bit criminal, but a two bit criminal that got away with it

and I have also realized, the earliest seasons of CSI was all about making Nick Stokes into a damsel in distress

he has looked down 2 guns,thrown out a window, been accused of murder, has had a stalker and been buried so far, and I'm only at season 6

I don't remember but I think he gets less damsel in distress after this

I never got around to watching a lot of CSI, but I'm glad Jeremy Renner got some work.    He was pretty good in "American Hustle", even if the movie isn't really as good as the hype.

The character was fun in the comics, but really got cool in the "Ultimates" comic series, where he was an expert with all weapons, not just an archer.

The fan response (at least from the internet) was very luke warm about Hawkeye, but I hope he'll be back.

we will have to tell them rich people in hollywood to just make more hawkeye and let him be hawkeye instead of just someone everyone mentions what he has done, but instead let's him do it

CSI has been around for 14 years, that is amazing for a tv-series really

and I do not count neverending soaps as tv-series...

I've heard very good things about CSI and  have many friends who are fanatics, but I don't get into many cop shows.   I've watched NCIS a bit, but that's about it.    You're right, though.   14 years is amazing for a TV show.


The rich people in Hollywood are obsessed with making more money, so if they think Hawkeye won't be worth the investment, they won't back him.   It's too bad, since he's my favorite of all of them.

we need to make loud demands that we'd give them money so that they will make it

I'd watch the movie

if it's good enough, even buy it

Yes, a large group of people who wanted it would affect their decision,  I think.    It's all about being profitable.

or then it's like the oscars

all about profit, none about actual talent and good movies really...

*smiles*   The Oscars has some high points sometimes, which is why the mega blockbusters don't usually get a lot of awards.

But the selection process can be more limited by what's been more commercially successful, certainly.

there are a few actors and actresses that never fail to give a good performance, and they haven't gotten an oscar, and it bothers me

I used to think that as soon as an actor or actress got an oscar they could retire happily, and I have no idea where I got that idea from

but I am happy to find out that they keep making stuff for us to enjoy :)

and sometimes, I wish I was that talented to do what they do, so I could become a grifter or con man... or maybe not

I wish I were a better actor, or liar, as the case may be.   It's a very useful skill to be able to improvise on the spur of the moment.

Yes, there are lots of actors who deserve awards, but I suppose not automatically giving it to them makes it more special when they do get it.

yeah, or then they'll be like Peter O'Toole Nominated for 8 oscars, only got an honorary award...

He if anyone was an amazing actor, I don't understand why he never won an oscar

I'm not one for conspiracies or rumors of "hated" celebrities, but I'm thinking that it's just a matter of bad timing and luck.

There might have been just a bunch of close calls.

well, being nominated is a huge recognition of talent in itself, but winning it I think would be sweeter

but yeah, I'm no actress, and I never will be on winning oscar level either, so I have no idea why I wonder about it

oh well, what does the actors and actresses that win loads of awards, do with all those awards? Have a special room built for them?

I think many have them on display, and some donate them to be on display elsewhere, like charities they support.

Yes, many actors and musicians with legions of fans never get awards, but it's still nice to get sometimes.   I'd love to be involved with some of my favorite stories as an actor, though it's just fantasy.

we are allowed to dream

and the bigger the dream, the happier we feel when we add to the fantasy

maybe someday one uses parts of that dream to write a story or a book, that is, if one is good at writing, but after seeing twilight, the books, I don't even think one have to be good at writing anymore

that woman made millions on a book that has invented words and bad grammar in it, weird loopholes and all in all it sucks

*smiles*   it's an old joke;  You don't have to be a good writer, as long as you're writing stories for terrible readers.   :)

Writing professionally is a bit like other artforms, like being a singer or actor.   Sometimes it's who you know, or being in the right place at the right time, rather than just being talented.

I'd love to be a writer, but I just can't seem to get motivated.

I read an interview with Stephen King once

he views writing as work, and he sits down and writes a few hours every day, as in he has to sit there and write gibberish if that all his mind can produce

but many of his gibberish ideas, he returned to later, and then he wrote a book, he estimated to have over 400 unfinished gibberish ideas just from writing all the time

just because he views it as work, instead of when genius strikes or an idea or motivation

but he is an oddball writer, some of his stories are amazing, and some just do very well in the beginning, and then it's a very disappointing ending

so, I think, even he gets bored at writing at times

Yes, there have been a number of writers who say that; that a writer should write something, no matter how horrible, just to get something done.   I've tried it, though nkt enough to get a book out of it, but have managed to get some gold among all the dross.

Stephen King lives about twenty miles up the road from my father, and while i've never met him myself,  I knkw many people who have.    He is indeed an odd person, but very creative and prolific, so he's usually good at giving writing advice.

I like good people that are so good, they are considered odd

but also, he writes odd stuff, if he wasn't a little odd... I'd be worried

real psychos can hide their oddness, normal people not so much

Yes, very true.    The woman who used to take care of my great grandmother was a friend of Stephen King's mother.  She said that the mother told her that she was glad that Stephen could "get that out of his system, or else he'd probably have become an axe murder".    :)

hmm, are we sure he'd pick an ax to kill with?

it is rather unwieldy, I'd have rooted for a car or a dog or maybe telekinesis

he has killed people with so many objects... I wonder how he decides what to use, maybe he has a list, he can't use the same object to kill with until he has used everything on the list...

or somehting

*grins*   Yes, he's gotten creative over the years.   But if he wasn't a writer, he'd use an axe.   There are a lot of trees here so axes are common.

axe

ax

damn, my spellcheck for saying axe is spelled ax

oh well, it didn't suggest ox

and well, to stay a good crime writer, one needs to get creative

I'm thinking that both are acceptable spellings, but that might just be in America, where we get lenient on a lot of things.  :)

Yes, I'm amazed at some of the creativity in many of my favorite books.   I'd probably be surprised by how easy it is, if they explained it, but it seems magical to me.

the thing is, the idea might be perfect, but the ability to put it to paper so someone else understands it, that is brilliance really

personally, I suck at writing, because I forget words and letters

so writing a whole book would be so riddled with grammar mistakes, spelling mistakes and generally references leading to nowhere, because I forgot a word

*grins* as my friends tell me:  "That's what editors are for."    :)

I'm not bad at spelling and grammar, normally, but I tend to write faster than I think, or vice versa, and get sloppy.

I will need an editor so good they'll be hella expensive

maybe I should just get a partner and have it as a collaboration

or a secretary

hmm...

some publishers have their own editors, I think, but it still might be worth the price to pay one.

You don't want to have your work at the same level as Twilight, right?  :)

holy no, nope, no, nope nope nope, nooo

nothing should be as bad as twilight

but that makes me question the publicists quality of editors...

so if I ever do write something, I will hire a good one yes

Oh, there are worse books then Twilight, believe me.   There was one called "Thirty Seconds After" about a terrorist attack on America that was written by a very well educated man.   It was riddled with bad grammar, poor punctuation, and horrible characters and plot twists.

But I'm guessing that the editors didn't have enough faith in the public, or at least the target audience, to feel that correcting anything was worth the effort.  Sadly, they seemed to be right about that.

noooooooooo

why don't they hire better editors, and why don't well educated people hire them

come ooon, writing is hard, you need to remember to tie up all the loose ends, and make a timeline

and argh

keep them in line

*grins*   I think that this guy was arrogant enough to push it through without getting it checked.


Stories are hard, but it's important to take it slow and plot it out carefully.    I used to think that a writer sat down and started with "Once Upon a Time" and didn't stop writing until they reached "The End".   I know that it's much more complicated than that.

yeah, the fact is, if one wrote till they reached the end in one go, that's when the loopholes are born

because one writes and never rereads what one has written

I also thought it was written all in one go, until the Harry Potter books, then I learned about the fact of patience, have to wait for the book to be written before it could be read

that was so bleah

but now I know, and also, it gives me hope, I can invent a character now, and maybe some day write a story about that character

I have a few already, that is made for future books, but I need to iron out details and add more characters to the story-line

so far I have a bad guy, a very bad guy and an even worse guy, I need to get some good guys... or make one of the bad guys into someone with a rule or moral code

Skme books could even focus on a group of bad guys, too.   Perhaps a schism in an evil organization?

hmm, but I need a 'hero' to kill or should they just mindlessly kill anyone?

yes, they do need to kill someone, no pussy-footing around here

and no crisis of conscience, real evil don't have does

*smiles*    It depends on your definition of "evil".    Evil without conscience is actually kind of boring, and is almost better as a faceless monster, like Jason from "Friday the 13th" or Michael Myers from "Halloween".
The trend in evil these days is to show that they have a reason, or at least a justification, for being evil.   And the 'anti-hero', who's a bad guy who fights other bad guys, is also very popular (though I'm not normally a fan.)

You could have a gang of thieves breaking into a rich man's house while he's away on business to steal his stuff, then have some of them start murdering his staff and kidnapping his family.   One of the thieves is horrified, since he's only in it for the money, but soon realizes that the leader of the thieves is doing this for personal  or political reasons.  The lone thief wants no part of it, and is shot and left for dead by the others.
He either escapes or makes a deal with police to try to get back the man's family.

Well I had this idea of a female cop going undercover into a gang, somehow she is assimilated, ergo turns bad, really bad, then her cover is blown and her family and partner in the force is killed, and now she's out for vengeance

but would that make her a mary-sue?

I hate that I have to be careful to not make a mary-sue...

anyway, good turning bad, then turn worse aimed at bad, muahahahah

but I also had this killer clown, he made balloon animals out of guts

or a journalist doubling as an assassin from the CIA, and then goes rouge

oooooor a lady of the night, using her job to kill politicians, because they all lecherous asses anyway

or a grifter that steals from the wrong mark, and then has to turn murderous to save herself and a child, the marks kid...

as seen I have loads of ideas

or then Mona-lisa and Leonardo Da Vinci has a child, a secret child. This child produces kids and well a few generations later we get this detective that is beyond smart

and well, don't care for human life, and then she takes up a hobby, and well as it is meant to, she investigates her own 'hobby' and there is suddenly a huge amount of unsolvable murders

There's always been some debate about what a "Mary Sue" really is.    I think that your idea for the undercover cop is a good one.  That kind of story is really popular right now.    There's a show coming on HBO or one of the big networks about a Hispanic policeman in Los Angeles who's also the son of the local Hispanic Drug Gang Kingpin.   He has to balance his two lives.

Your cop's story of going undercover then going "native" doesn't sound too far fetched to me.   As long as you treat the story line with respect and realism, it should be fine.  Give her a good reason for going rogue and deserting her former job, and it'll work fine.
To me the "mary sue" aspect is when the character is too perfect and too good at what they do, or their circumstances are WAY too unrealistic.    Your idea sounded good.

good enough reason, hmm, maybe something in her past, that came back to haunt her, and she made it go away, and then she just stayed bad

but yeah, I need to find a reason that is good, logical enough and not just her going psycho

hmm, good to have a sounding-board

and the cop being the kingpin's son, that was done in another tv-series, birds of prey, but that was about batmans daughter really, not the detective, he just happened to be there

but yes, comics, have all the best ideas

comic books have done some good ideas over the years.    :)   That's why I'm a fan.


Perhaps your undercover cop got deeper and deeper into the life of a criminal with "her" gang, and it gets revealed, through flashbacks, that her life was pretty rough, and with a lot of abuse and disrespect from family and her police coworkers.   The gang actually starts becoming more supportive and closer to her than anyone else in her life had been.
And perhaps the surreal of the life she's faking more and more real.

but if she hates her family, how can she take vengeance of them being brutally murdered in front of her eyes? Maybe a neighbor was secretly being evil towards her, and her brothers, I decided she's an only girl, several brothers, always messed with her, because she is just a weak girl...

and in the gang area she is finally allowed to be strong and prove herself, without family saying she's too weak...

hmmm, and sexist cops, so gangs allow her to just be, either she is strong or not, and pulls her weight or not, no hassle about her being a girl

suddenly I have it pretty much planned out, now to write it, and add more details, ooooooh

mental and questioning of abilities is abusive...

oooooh, I think I can skip the neighbor, as him or her the family would have kicked or beaten up, no one but them get to belittle their baby sister/daughter...

niiiice, now I just need to learn to write so people won't throw my book or story on a pyre

*grins*  The only way to get your book burned these days is to insult religions, I'm afraid.

But I think the storyline is looking good.

weeeeee

now to furiously write till my fingers die and see if I can make it into something anyone would want to give out as a book

Good luck.  I'm jealous of your ambition.    :)    Please let me know if you need a sounding board.

I will

you are great at ideas, and as I think english is the most flexible language, I'll write in english too, so yay

it is my third language, so at least I'll need help with some grammar or so

*smiles*  English is my first language, but sometimes it feels like my second one.

Still, I'm here for you whenever you need help.

yay, you are here by my idea-board

*throws ideas at*

not that I have any new so far, I managed to make my days into night and vice versa, ergo, I sleep at the sunny parts

so not good

*smiles*  I do that now, as well.   I work nights.   I've done of my best writing at night, at work ,though.

I don't know why, but I also like nights more than days, it's calmer and the darkness helps my head work properly

don't take me wrong, I do love sun, but I work better in the dark, or light from a lamp

and I've not eaten anything in 3 days, just one sandwich 3 days ago, I think I forget to eat when I write, not good

I get too hungry not to eat. I don't have the focus, I'm afraid.   I like the night better, as well.  I like being able to do things during the day when everyone else is awake, but nights are calmer, and I get to relax more.

I even rather take walks during the night than during the days

less noisy cars

I wouldn't take walks during nights in a dangerous town thought, but I haven't come upon one of those, yet

but as there are so many, I will

My neighborhood is pretty safe, so i enjoy late night walks.   No one to bother me and no delay in crossing streets.   Plus I can see my phone better to play on rpol.  :)

I am one of those that doesn't have internet on phone

I have a laptop, a stationary computer and a pad, but no internet on phone

I usually drop my phones, so I have to make sure they won't break

I have a phone that is so heavy duty it can be used as a hammer it I needed to nail something to a wall

In reply to CuteSue (msg # 290):

I have a protective cover on mine as well.   I've dropped it half a dozen times I'm the last year.    :)

Yeah, I dropped my pad one time, it had it's cover on, luckily, or it'd died

they don't make screens to survive, but then again, I'm used to Nokias, them could be put through a washer and still come out functioning

or a snow-slinger

sturdy stuff, not so much anymore

too much screen

Yes, I've been using our spare laptop after the screen on mine died.   I picked it up by the screen a few times when I had to stand I  ahurry (uusually due to one of the cats misbehaving), and I miss it terribly.

yeah, well, the screens don't stand so much abuse because they're trying to save the environment, ergo less sturdy stuff is used, and also, the smaller the better

but that has been reversed lately, it used to be smaller phones and smaller laptops, now it's smaller laptops and bigger phones

as the phones are sort of a tiny computer

scary

Yes, I'm on my phone right now,  so I know what you mean.
It's a little freaky thinking that I'm holding something in my hands that's smaller than a deck of cards, but had more computing power than the computer that was on the first lunar rocket.

yeah, and we use it for games

I used to have immense respect for technology, now I mostly use it to play games

it's rather weird really

*smiles*   Well, I mostly only play games, and I still have immense respect for technology.   :)

Of course, it's becoming easier and easier to take for granted, though, as it becomes easier to use.

all I know is, I couldn't fix a car if it broke down, it is too encased in plastic and computerized for me to even try

if shit breaks in the kitchen, it's because of the plastic getting tired and breaking, it's hard to replace that plastic

So I respect the technology, but not how it's built to need specialty personnel to fix, or have to switch it out completely, because it's built to not be fixed, you know because keeping things alive doesn't make nearly as much money as selling replacements

the funny thing is, I'm not that old, but I remember when we fixed shit, like the microwave when it broke, I recently bought a microwave of my own, and it broke, and it was not something one could fix... Just rigged to not be fixed

so wasteful

That's been a complaint for a while, you're right.   Things getting cheaper and harder to fix, and even cheaper to just replace.

I know very little about cars and other technologies, so I think it's all magic.  :)

I would love my first car to be a jeep wrangler

an old one, from the 80s or so, so I can learn to fix it, or a vw buble, they seem easiest to fix

but I might just seen the wrong youtube videos

I don't own a car, so I might be blissfully ignorant

and will rue the day I really do own a car

Owning anything, from a car to a house to a cat, can be a wonderful thing bit also a huge burden.   You're responsible for everything,  which can be amazing or terrifying.    :)


I'm the other hand, my brother in law is a jeep fanatic, and he's always talking about his jeep and loves working on it, so you might be right about being able to fix it.

I used to have a cat, then it went bonkers

and had to move to my parents, I lived in an apartment, and the cat was allowed outside 2 times, on a leash, and after that he wanted to be outside all the time

and well... he got so insane he tried to break out through the mail-slot in the door

so, he moved, and essentially I lost custody of him, I can't have him back

*Cries*

I miss my cat

I'm sorry you miss your cat.   We love our cats, and have had good luck with getting them (the secret is to let the cat pick you).

But you have my sympathies.  It's always tough to lose a treasured pet.

I know, cats are personalities, they pick you, or one will have a bad experience

My cat picked me, he just didn't pick the place to live

oh well, I can go visit him when I want :)

At least the cat is happy.  I'm glad you can visit them.

The vet is always complimenting our cats on how well they act.   Since it seems normal for us, we're wondering what other people are doing to their cats that make them act so crazy at the vet's office.

well, cats get stressed from their owners being stressed, so really they are stressed

like you would be when going to the dentist and the dentists says "oh ou" after drilling in your teeth for a long time

anyway, my cats behaved perfectly when I took them to the vet, because I know a vet knows what they are doing

They have gone to school and vet school is actually harder to get into than medical school, which is interesting

Yes, i know a few vets who tell me the same thing.   Some of the reasons vet school is harder than med school is that not only do you have to learn MANY different anatomies, rather than just people, but your "patients" can almost never tell you what's wrong.
Cats, for example, are very good at hiding symptoms of nearly everything.

we had a vet in my town that got fired for incompetence, because she diagnosed a cat to have cough, when really it had cancer

and it wasn't spotted until they went to another vet, when the cat couldn't use his hind-legs anymore, and well, it was too late to save by then

so my town has this really, strict vet thing, no veterinarian that can't use an x-ray is allowed to work in our town again, the cat was owned by an old lady, and that old lady knew how to stir up shit

so I know the new vets know what they do, either that, or risk getting the same treatment

Betweem all the farms and the love we have for our pers, vets are plentiful here, so there's no room for one that is behind in technology.   Ours is pretty good, though a bit pricey.    The nearby college is one of the best vet schools in the country.

Yeah, we have farms, the farms have their own vets thought, they don't have a clinic, just a van that shows up at the farm that need them

so one can't take pets to that vet

there is the 'city'-vet with it's own clinic, and it was that 'city'-vet that fucked up

because pets aren't valuable enough to check credentials... Oh well, the city learned it's lesson, now they check credentials

Most farm people have a number of dogs and cats, though many vets specialize in "large animal" vs "small animal".    There are enough good vets around that it's easy to check their certification.

oh well, happily it was not that many animals that suffered

so I'm flying home tomorrow, sigh

*smiles*  I know you're disappointed, but at least you tried.   If you'd stayed home, you'd have forever regretted not going.  This way, you're better prepared for next time.  :)

Yes, I rather regret things I did, than regretting not doing things

I have so many things I didn't ask for when I was little, because we were poor, and then, my mom suddenly said, if I'd asked, I'd been given them, or I'd get to do that, maybe not immediately, but still

and well, that taught me to regret things I didn't ask for, that I could have had, is a bitch...

so now I jump at stuff and things, not things containing milk then, but otherwise, I jump at them :)

I'm kind of the same way.   There are a few things i regret doing, goodness knows, but they are vastly outnumbered by things I could have done but didn't do.

Even when I'm buying things, I rue purchases I didn't make more than stuff I bought and didn't need.

So I was on a work interview today

and the interviewer blindsided me by telling me it's to be the bosses right hand

I thought it was a summer-job

I'm not complaining, it just made my head go blank, so I think I blew it

i had a job like that.  I got a job right out of college working in a comic book shop as a clerk, but didn't know they were trying to groom me to be a manager.  When I wasn't up to manager quality in a month, they fired me.

I hope they give you a good try, though.  You'd make a good Right hand.

Well she welcomed me with: "So this is a job that is permanent, we just advertised it as a summer-job to get more applicants, sorry about that, so this list of 50 things is what you'd need to be able to do..."

and my mind wen't blank

and grooming sounds ominous, too much used near pedophiles I suppose...

You need to groom someone?  Yes that would mess with my head, too.

So the interview I was on today seemed to go good

I need some doctor to tell me I can work on a boat, then I'll try and get to work on a boat

yay

as in huge cruise ship then, but still, it's a moving object, I can have an adventure!!!

So I read my e-mail, apparently it didn't go good...

*sigh*

I shouldn't ever get excited about anything, because it will feel less sad if I wasn't excited of the prospect of having a job...

Now I want to clean, but I can't, the whole house is sleeping, need to wait for morning, so I can clean myself into exhaustion, would have been nice to have a job

I'm sorry you didn't get the job.   Rejection is part of the game, sadly.   Just try to take what you learned and use it next time.

And I can TOTALLY see you working on a cruise ship.   :)

I can totally see myself working on a cruise ship too, I can re-apply

and totally get a job as one of those on-call-incase of sickness people

never give up, and also, the whole house is clean nows

Nice job on the house cleaning!  I'm jealous of your industriousness.

Yes, I've been told that the turnover rate of cruise ship employees is high, so they'll be hiring again soon.

baked a cake today, when I'm bored, I make things

and as I've fixed almost everything in the house by now, I had to get myself to a library, borrowed some books, got some gloves so I can work outside

that is, if it stays sunny, then I'll be outside, not when raining

raining is cold..

You're much more ambitious than I am.  I'm very jealous.   :)

more like pent up energy

I have been without a job for 4 months, I usually go stir crazy after 2 weeks of vacation, so this is me, being crazy and crazier, with added crazy

The funniest thing happened, a firm I applied to in Norway contacted me, if I wanted a job...

I can't reply, because the e-mail they used doesn't exist...

wut?

anyway, I was trying to send a reply saying that I can't take the job, as I'm wayyyy over in wrong country, and my reply gets bounced back, because "recipient doesn't exist, check your spelling"

I used the 'reply'-button, so I have no idea what is going on

I wonder if it was a scam?    Though you could double check, in case they have an e-mail address specifically for replies and one for sending that doesn't receive.    I've heard of companies doing that before.


Still, I hope you do have more luck back in your original country.

it's the same address I applied to the first time, and it worked perfectly fine a few months ago

and now it's doesn't exist..

oh well, they can take my silence as a 'no'

Hmmm...kind of makes me wonder if the company went bankrupt since they sent the email.   Perhaps it was good you didn't work for them.

I tried to respond 6 hours after e-mail arrived

that was quick, so it might just be a server glitch or something

oh well, it's gone, can't fix it

it's warm like we are in the middle of summer here, it's weird

Our weather has been a bit weird too.  I hope your job search goes better now, though.   Good luck, my friend.

I am going to a doctor on thursday, to have them write out this paper to say that I am healthy enough to work on a ship

it would be bad if one had a heart-attack or so on a ship, so I have to prove to a doctor that I am healthy

after that I can tell this cruise-line that I can work all times someone else is sick, they'd call me in and yay, work

Very cool!  I get very sea sick, but would have loved to work on a cruise ship.  It would be like working in a classy hotel, I'd imagine.

Good luck.

so I have the paper, I'm allowed to work on a cruise ship

yay!!

it almost didn't happen, I have bad eye-sight, as in they had me take off my glasses

and I couldn't see the letters on the wall, but she said "as long as the ship doesn't sink, I should be able to work"

you see, if it sinks, I loose my glasses, and can't find my way out

I'd be a problem, I assured her I can find my way out, the doors are bigger than the letters on the wall

*smiles*  They have to be paranoid, certainly.  But I'm glad they were understanding.  :)


Well done!!!