So it seems like the shifting one needs to be the trigger (I'm not sure if Sun Snake's idea of being the one to stand their and await a damage type he can enact was a good one?).

So have we managed to figure out how to shorten the other timings yet? Seems like the doll one needs to be a fast attack anyway. I guess Sabre or Sun Fox with huntmastery and nexus can make the attack Swift Fox suggested. Sun Fox maybe for preference, since Sabre Fox's skills and wrath attack might be needed for one of the others.


I guess one question would be is Sun Snake's senses sensative enough that he can use tremorsense, divination, and other variants of pathsmanship - or get feelings from other people - to know what is happening in all five rooms and allow everyone to co-ordinate that way?

Once you create the mind link which is necessary to coordinate the strikes anyway, you'll also be able to sense what everybody in the mind link is doing.

As for timing the hit on the golden idol, I think I already said that the risk is the defense changing mid-swing, didn't I? Of course, you can take that risk if you want to - we'd just need to roll and see what happens when you do.

Ah yes you did. :(


Hmm, I guess someone else who can do a fast attack method needs to be there then. Or Sun Snake needs to have access to a faster attack method to destroy the thing in one of its other modes. But that relies on spotting the pattern of the runes or identifying the correct rune type for one of these other attack methods.

Unless Swift isn't the one using the Blue Iris on the sphere, she'll probably be in a different room.
Could she try to read the runes through the mind link, using some combination of Pathsmanship/Craftsmanship to determine their meaning and analyse the enchantment causing them to change to determine when it will happen next and communicate that to Sun Snake in some way?

You could, although as you said, you could also just handle the Blue Iris to somebody else and you yourself be at the golden idol personally. As for using your powers to read the pattern, I already told you how that works (Pathsmanship patern-matching by paying 4 WP, DC 12), you just need to come up with a way to make the patern-matching easier.

Craftsmanship to "read" the enchantment?  How it's woven into the runes, what conditions it uses to determine when to change and so on?

For the others, I think anyone can use the Blue Iris.  Since it theoretically destroys the item without needing to actually physically stab at the thing, I don't think dual-wielding expertise matters here.
Then again I haven't used it before, so hard to say.

Actually, maybe it'll like someone else better than Swift :)

Yes, anybody can use the disintegration effect - tapping the item you want destroyed while focusing on that will be sufficient.

As for uinsg Craftsmanship to read the runes, that's a good idea! Feel free to roll it, DC 4. If you beat it, then you'll get a further +2 bonus to the pattern-matching roll. :)

Rolled 2 :/

Give it another roll, for Silver Raven. If that fails too, then it's no bonus and you'll need to think of something else. :)

3!  Dice Roller still has it in for me...  :(

And I rolled a 4. If we keep trying, we might reach the right number eventually ;)

Bad news is that Hornet doesn't have Craftsmanship :/
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Indeed you don't, so either that roll was your Pathsmanship attempt, or you need to tell me what else you were trying. :)

Honestly, it seems to me like you're relatively ready - the idol is the only one you haven't figured a way to beat yet, if I'm right?

Oh yes, that was the Pahsmanship attempt - with DC 8 for Hornet, so I was off by quite a shot. But I'm sure the Dice Roller will surprise us once we get into combat with Vyctar - and we keep rolling 9s and 0s (while in combat ;) ).

As long as I don't keep rolling 2s and 3s in combat!

You should probably focus on one problem at a time. :)

Also, you still have both Sun Snake's and your own Pathsmanship roll to make, Swift Fox - maybe one will be good enough! ^_^

Or maybe you can figure some other way to grant it a bonus? Using Craftsmanship to learn more about the trap was one way, but it's not the only way.

Hmm, how much of a bonus do I get from Pathsmanship?

Not sure about other ways to add to it.  Invisibility gives some knowledge of other languages, so maybe that?

:) Yes, that might help - as you remember, Silver Raven doesn't have Invisibility or Pathsmanship, which are the diciplines for understanding languages.

But before rolling for that (DC 4, same as Craftsmanship) you might want to think on wether you couldn't do something more, with your collection of disciplines, than just trying them one by one...

The Pathsmanship pattern-matching DC is 12, so even with Pathsmanship's +4 bonus, you still need to roll at least a 8 to succeed.
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.....

*peers around at everyone else*

Can Sun Snake's mind link work to help with specific combined disciplines like that? I thought that was one area you wanted individual who chose the correct disciplines/improvements to trump linking minds?

It was, it still is, and indeed, your mind-meld wouldn't help here.

In this instance, I was specifically referring to Swfit Fox, which abilities, Disciplines and Improvements she has, and how they could be used in a different fashion than just by trying them on this problem one at a time.

Ah, I see :)

Well the only thing I can think of is combining two, like Pathsmanship + Craftsmanship I just tried...

In reply to Swift Fox (msg # 967):

I don't think you tried that; you just tried to use each on its own.

How would you go about combining them, if you were to actually do so? How would you make the two powers work together?

Ah ok.  I actually meant to use both at the same time, must have misunderstood that I wasn't...

All I can think of is being able to figure out how the spell is woven into the runes, with what each one means hopefully helping with that.

Also if there's any safe way to "unplug" the trap's power supply from the rest of the barrier without causing the whole thing to explode.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:35, Mon 01 Feb 2016.

Tell you what: make me a post where you do that in character. Youy must explain how Swift Fox is going about it in detail, and make it convincing that doing this would give her a greater insight than anybody else would be able to grasp. You can (and probably should) factor in any improvements you have and are using in the description (though be sure to pay the WP cost for anything that actually costs WP).

If you write the post, that'll be a +1 to your roll (meaning that you, and only you, need to roll a 7 on the pattern-matching, rather than a 8). However, if you make the post convincing enough from a roleplay perspective, I'll turn it into a +4, and you will also get to roll twice for the pattern-matching effort.

And, letting Sun Snake use his mind-meld at the same time will allow you to extend the bonus to everybody involved in the mind-meld, too - but that'll require a convincing post to the effect from him, as well.

What do you think of that?
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