Climatic confrontation ahead! ^_^

Congratulation to all of you players for making it this far - you get 1 FP as Kai wants you to survive the danger you're about to face.

Any thoughts, comments or ideas you're willing to share about what's happened so far, and what will be happening from here onward?

This will be Foxy's time to shine. With puzzles not exactly being his repatoire of skills to solve, a good fight will always put him as King

Make sure you all hide behind you twin bladed death storm ;)

No idea. I'd even imagined Valador might be lurking around. Just prepared to go with the flow.

1) Sure, if you're willing to wait for the twenty or so minutes it'd took for the tea to be ready. Although I'd suggest using fire of your own making rather than the heat from the lava - that's hot enough it has a chance (which would be rolled) of permanently damaging the chalice: golds melts pretty easily, you know. :)

2) Can't think of a way right now, but if you can figure out a combination of Disciplines and Improvements that might manage so, put it up and I'll give you a ruling - although expect that to be a really unlikely thing to be doable; if it was in any way easy to make Adgana lose its additiveness, it'd have been done before now, since a lot of people would be looking for it. Managing such a thing would be a worldwide-renown-worthy feat, and while I'm always open to your improvisations, I don't think that'd be doable without having the lorecircles of Solaris and Moon at a very minimum (and Light would probably help).

I hope those aren't too diseheartening as far as answers go?

The shield will stop 1 single attack, no matter how powerful, and then disperse. This include also things like a tsunami wave or an eruption (though it'd only protect the wielder, not anybody else), meaning that the duration of the shield depend on the duration of the particular danger; it'll last until the attack in question is spent.

This is possible due to the Orange Lily's soul fragment: it identifies the attacking force/individual and recognizes the danger, then unleashes its own power to stop it.

1) OK, we'll have a cup of tea after the encounter with Vyctar. I hope we'll be drinking to victory ;)

2) I just thought that combination of Curing + Psy-screen could reduce the chance of getting addicted by the Adgana user, because the addiction (as I see it) is the desire to provide the brain with repetitive pleasant stimuli - which is a heightened speed of brain activity in this case (as per Adgana's description in the Herbmastery thread). So I thought using Curing together with Psy-screen (as one skill) would allow to protect the brain from the side-effects, not letting the Adgana's speedup imprint itself on the nerve system. (I didn't think of it originally, but perhaps the Illness Immunity improvement could allow such fine control of one's anatomic processes, while Effortless Defense would just suggest the expertise in Psy-screen is advanced enough to make this skill manifest on the neural level.)
I don't think it would prevent someone from getting addicted completely, just lowered the chance of it (and since only Kai, who frown upon the use of drugs, would have a hope of achieving this, it wouldn't mean much regarding the struggle to remove Adgana's addictiveness.)

But I'm not trying to convince you it should be allowed, I just found it fun to try using the disciplines this way (plus I'd love to shove it in the bad guys' faces that a Kai found a way to use Adgana relatively safely ^_^); neither it is disheartening, you allow us to do creative things anyway, so it's only fair to stop us from going over the edge.

OK, I stop blabbering and let's kick some ass (as Sabre would say, I believe :) ).

He prefers slicing it in half to kicking it ;)

Perhaps a Curing/Invisibility/Psi-screen/Divination combo where you basically keep re-writing the brain with a false signal or distraction, or keep shielding and disguising the impulses. Might be expensive enough that you couldn't use it all the time without developing an 'addiction' to WP restorers :D

Both Sun Snake and Water Hornet's ideas are interesting, but they're overlooking a key detail - as any Herbmastery expert could tell you, the extreme potency of Adgana is also a result of it feeding off ambien magic and converting it into energy - an aspect which is translated to the body of one eating it by feeding off the user's own inner magic to work. This doesn't strips the user of magic or the ability to use it, per se, but it does interact with the user's metabolism by permanently damaging their magic potential, alhtough when the user is under the Adgana's effect, the plant's supplied (converted into fighting energy) magical power tricks the body into feeling normal, magical-balance-wise.

So while your ideas are cool, they would not by themselves allow you to weaken the addittive effect of Adgana, since they're only adressing two (body and mind) of the three (body, mind, and magic) affected elements.

I don't think your group currently has an expert of Herbmastery of right-handed magic who could enlighten you on this, though, is it? So if you feel like trying either of those strategies (assuming you have all the necessary improvements you named) you're free to - it won't reduce the risk of addiction, but it might help your bodies get a greater benefit from Adgana then just the normal CS bonus.

How does that sounds? :)

Just checking I'm understanding the situation Sun Snake described.

Vyctar is now a Darklord, occupying the body of a Xagash?
And is currently fighting a mental battle with a Nadziran who wants to take control of that body from him?  (In which case, us bursting in there might give them a common enemy to unite against!)
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Vyctar, the Nadziran, a Xagash, the Lone Wolf body, the Sommerswerd, and who knows what else are now one nasty Darklord entity - I won't spoil the surprise and let Shadow describe it when we enter.

Inside the Darklord's brian, the Xagash mind was conquered so the body could be controlled, but now the Nadziran and Vyctar minds are fighting for control of the body. Each has some mental stuff the other needs, but won't let their mind be effectively destroyed and their essense subsumed to let the other have it and them properly become the Darklord.

It is as Sun Snake said, Swift Fox, but even if the battle is only psychic, the point you made is still valid - you bursting in there might give them something to ally about fighting against.

OR, you might find a way to take advantage of the conflict to make your own goals easier to achieve. Really, it all depends on how you play your hand at this point - I have many plans ready for how things might go, but you lot have a track record of surprising me, so who knows what'll really happen?

Either way, I'm looking forward to it! ^_^

I mean in terms of what Sun Snake can do psychically, I have suggested in private about trying to do something more passive to distract the two. Like trying to use Mind Fort and Invisiblilty to temporarily block the two warring minds from areas so they might hesitate. Or I suppose Sun Snake could try to temporarily put a psi-screen betwee nthe two minds to stop each from seeing the other? Would that work? If we time it with say a sun shard burst, we might be able to make them both believe we've wiped out the other, so they don't have full powers nor control of the body. That might take a turn or two before they realise each is trying to control a different side of the body and realise the other one is still there?

Oh, the idea I had to weaken Vyctar ages ago, would it still work if I could use Psi-screen (Mindfort) to protect Vyctar from having the Nadziran take advantage of the situation? Just a quick distracting poke at him to make him weaker. Because then pointing out Vyctar's will is stronger might then scare the Nadziran, mkaing him more willing to try and bargain with us?

And if I can distract them with a non-risky quick psychic strike, perhaps Swift Fox could then use Invisibility/Craftsmanship to hide her activating the Sun Shards, and somehow get them to release as if we were calling to the Sommerswerd? It might make them scared enough to pull the sword free if it is in there?

Ooh, I like the idea of hiding (on psychic level) one of the combatants from the other (I'm afraid it's going to be expensive, though, if it's at all possible) :)

Also, we probably want to save at least one Sun Shard to make Sommerswerd zap the Darklord in the end (like death of Zagarna vs. Haakon situation). Shadow, would our characters know this and would Swift or Raven know how much of 'sun energy' we'd need for such thing?

Now I've realised both my sword's abilities can be reused for 2WP not just the auto-success of Divination, then I just need to make them Divination based to be otherwise 'free'. So I can perhaps do a little more than previously thought.


We can certainly threaten to blast a hole in the ceiling all the way to the sky :D

Don't think any of Swift's abilities will be helpful here.

Unless their distraction + her Invisibility will let her go unnoticed by them both, so she could get a stealth attack in when things turn violent :)

I think Swift Fox, Silver Raven and Water Hornet are probably the only ones of the current team that Vyctar hasn't already seen fight before, so he might be less certain of their abilities.
(If he's in control, and he's still got enough of his mind left to keep his old warrior skills, he's probably memorised everything he saw Team Snake do for later tactical calculation.  Just a thought).

Yea, if he currently doesn't have the means to access the power of the Sommerswerd, then we don't want to give him the opportunity.

Is there any means for a mass combined Nexus use to wrench it away from him? There are at least 3 Nexus users in the group off the top of my head

Yes they will. We have sun shards that we can time for an attack, but it would need your reading of Invisibility and Craftsmanship to likely work.  We definitely need multiple people able to move around to confuse things.

And you can use Invisibility to aid you telling the truth too - you can with total confidence tell the Nadziran you already killed one of their kind and messed up their schemes. I think if taunting is the way to go, then we atack the diverse reasons the two people in there are working towards. I'm sure you can bend the truth by saying that the Nadziran want to supplant the Drakkar with Kai warriors if they can combine the two, using the Drakkar as bodies and tactics only just as the Nadziran wants to do with Vyctar :)

Edit: Doubke posted. We don;'t know where the Sommerswerd is yet. You'll see why when we get there. Until we can locate it, and ensure it's actually easy to reach and not somehow amalgamated in to him, I don't think it will be a simple case of just pulling it free.

I think we will need to go and have everyone read the scene, and once we know what is where then we can start distracting the creature and figuring out what our best vectors for attacking and grabbing stuff are.

There's been a lot of great ideas here! Some might work, some cannot, but all of them are interesting.

To make a point a little clearer, Sun Snake, any attempt to interfere with the Mind-Meld would drag you into it, and as I said earlier, that has the unavoidable outcome of having the meddler be absimilated. This extend to all forms of psychic interaction with the mind-meld, including sneaky ones or Psy-Screen based ones; detecting the meld is passive and doesn't engage it, if either (or both) minds within the meld start a psychic attack, fending it off doesn't has you pulled into the meld, but if you try to influence the battle psychically in any way, then you become an active partecipant and can (and likely will) be subsumed. I thought I'd made that clear, but if it wasn't, I hope it is now.

The other ideas you all presented might work though - the ones who don't involve trying to get involved in the psychic melee, I mean - you just need to find a way to implement them without being killed first. :)

And indeed, Sabre Fox, as Sun Snake said, you'll have a better idea of how efficacious your plans might be once you see what the situation actually looks like with your own eyes.

Hmm, well if all psychic interference is going to be dangerous, is does sound like Sun Snake's talents are better suited to perhaps trying to link attacks or just be a focal point of rage (and using his abilities to minimise damage, or have Water Hornet help with that)


There is a certain duality to the Darklord, so I wonder if Sun Fox and Sabre Fox flanking him, since their attack methods are similar, with both linking their attacks through Sun Snake, would be a way to mentally pull the two apart. Literally get one mind trying to control each side.

Swift Fox can pull Nadziran ire, Sun Snake and Sabre Fox can pull Vyctar ire, and perhaps that leaves Silver Raven, Water Hornet and Dawn Sword trying to free the Sommerswerd or helping the two groups as needed?

Are you asking me if that would work, or what? Because I can't honestly tell you before the battle start which strategies it would be best to employ - the whole point of facing off an enemy is to try the tactics you think will work best and see which one stick and wich one don't. :)

If you're asking something else, then I am not sure what exactly, so you will need to clarify before I can answer.

More just generally putting the idea out there.


Does anyone else want to do any detection stuff first, or will we just walk through the door now and detect stuff when we get in?

I think maybe the shards would be better used inside than out to ensure some damage is done? And maybe in a stealth way to it might be disguised as the Sommerswerd.

I can always be the one to open the door and pull focus since the rest of you might want a minute to...you know...react without giving away your cool, calm, Kai exteriors :D

In reply to Sun Snake (msg # 23):

Well shards inside sounds good to me lol. Hopefully it will make Snake a target as he suggests :)

So, are you going inside?

If Swift Fox and Water Hornet are happy to, I'm happy to open the door.

Rock on!  Death or really nasty death Glory! :D

I suppose I'm in ;)

Forwards!

I posted then ruined it by realising a Nexus push on the door might be fun way of announcing his presence.

Well, that's one hell of a Darklord! Naar surely wasted no time since the demise of the old twenty. :)
It's unsurprising, yet I still hate that you foiled my plan at one-offing the bastard with a trick I've had in preparation for a long time*...in short: congrats, Shadow; as always, you really thought out all the possible weaknesses and eliminated them, right? ^_^

Is there a time to make an assessment of the enemy using some of our disciplines?

*I'll reveal that shortly

Yeah, I mean similarly I tried to build up a specific psychic strike to weaken Vyctar since the Skyrider prep and can't use it.

Swift Fox's dagger hasn't been vetoed yet, though :p

Well, it isn't like I'm forbidding you all from trying anything - it's just that circumstances might conspire against letting your abilities be effective, depending on what those abilities are. And I wasn't planning on neutralizing anybody specifically, I just wanted to give you all an hopefully interesting challenge. :)

For example, the Darklord is currently protected from psychic attacks due to the battle in its mind, but once that one its solved with a single winner, the Darklord's brain will solidify into a single entity that can be attacked again - assuming you can get past its Psy-Screen, of course. But obviously, letting that settle will no longer give you the advantage of being fighting a Darklord who's at war with itself, and thus less coordinated on the physical side of things... there's tradeoffs in everything, basically. It's up to you to find those tradeoffs that'll advantage you the most! ^_^
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He does seem to be some amalgamation of them all. Rather interesting ;)

Let's hope Swift did get in there unnoticed

By the way, Vyctar is very focused on Sun Snake right now, but that doesn't mean the rest of you can't butt in or join the conversation, or do anything else you think will be useful - you're all free to do anything you want, here.

Just thought that was important to point out. If left to their own devices, I'm confident Sun Snake and Vyctar can reach the 1000 posts on the thread just by argumenting at each other, and while that'd be fun for me, for sure, you all should try to do what would make you have fun too. So, if you want to do anything, do it! Don't just wait for the chance, make it happen! ^_^

My cunning plot to get the 25,000 foiled! (don't let me gt away with it)

Well unless Swift's Invisibility lets her do a sort of ventriloquism trick, making her voice sound like it's coming from somewhere else in the room, I'd rather not draw attention to her by speaking yet.

Then again he probably knows full well I'm there anyway.  Just being overly cautious ;)

Woohoo, the real war of words has begun!

Edit: Hey, if Sabre posts again he'll get both 3000 personal posts and the 25,000th actual post!

I decided not to post my ;it's easier to get under someone's skin when they're replace it with snakes ' comment :D
This message was last edited by the player at 22:53, Sat 27 Feb 2016.

Looks like Foxy is getting under Vyctars skin ;)

Well, Sabre Fox's 3000th post was something else, but indeed, his post in the main tread was the 25'000th post in the game!

Thanks to you all for staying with me this far - I doubt any of you can guess how much that means to me, but let me tell you, it's a lot. Really, really a lot.

And for that, I'll give you a special, one-of-a-kind bonus: you get a single, usable only once, "PC bonus" of +4 to add to any one roll you like, at your complete discretion. I suggest you keep it for when it could save your life, but if you want to throw it on some random discipline check somewhere in the future, you're allowed to; it's your bonus, you can spend it however you wish to. :)

By the way, I will say for posterity, since he edited it into something that is actually appropriate only afterward, that Sabre Fox's milestone 25'000th post in this game was "Place hold doh". You know, so we never forget. ^_^

That's a scandalous lie! ;)

Well it was funny as I was catching up on posting then noticed the post count and thought I wasn't letting that milestone pass so place held it :)

Then I managed to double post some how haha

I didn't even realise it was Foxy's milestone either!

Which confused me because when I left the forum there were 25,000 posts!

When I left, I thought we still had a few to go to reach 25,000.
Kind of underestimated just how quickly people post when I can't get online for half the day :)

Sun Snake, when you say this:

Which conversation are you referring to, exactly? I couldn't find it, and I'd like to read it over before putting up my answer. You know, to avoid rethreading older ground.

Sorry, it's more like 'weve had a similar discussion before'.

When Vyctar was going off with Lone Wolf's body, Sun Snake was going to go with him. But Vyctar refused. So Sun Snake is assuming that it would be a similar thing that Vyctar would not let Sun Snake stay behind this time.

Not that he would take up the offer of course, but he's pointing out that Vyctar must know this is a similar impasse as last time?

Not to mention that last time he was lying to you about "certain details" of his mission.  Doesn't exactly fill us full of confidence and trust in him.  (Even if he wasn't currently inhabiting the body of a huge stack of nightmare fuel!)...
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Actually Sun Snake can read him better now the mind war is over, so he's being truthful about letting us leave on the conditions he gave :) At least as far as Sun Snake can read.

Yep - to make it out safely with the Sommerswerd, you only need hand Sabre Fox over to eternal torment. After all, Vyctar was a man prone to looking for the less risky options whenever it showed up, which is why he allied with the team when they showed up, it makes sense for his character to offer you a deal here. Plus, I'll never let it be said that I didn't gave you a way out of the situation without having to fight! ^_^

Of note on Sun Snake's mind reading is that Vyctar is currently easy to read because he's not practiced with keeping up his Psy-Screen (also very tired from the mind battle, which will make him generally not very reactive on the front of mind protection) to raise it up, and also that Sun Snake's readings are all of a very passive type - he's not attempting to enter Vyctar's mind, more grasping the feelings the man's letting out. This could change if he feels psychically attacked and raises his shields, but so far you've done nothing to push him into doing that, hence why Sun Snake can get a feeling for what he is thinking.

I'll have my update up as soon as I've checked over that discussion and decided how it should apply to the present situation, Sun Snake.

So if he actually manages to defeat the Nadziran, his mental defences will probably be a bit shaky?

Good to know, if that means that even Swift's rather feeble Mindblast will be able to jolt him a bit :)

He has defeated the Nadziran,that's why his voice is back to normal and Sun Snake has 'relaxed' a little. We're either making a deal or killing the man, because there's no mental conflict to take advantage of anymore :(

On the plus side I guess that might expand Sun Snake's range of psychic attacks he can make on Vyctar...

You're right on both accounts, Sun Snake; I must say that you did an exceptionally good job of hurrying Vyctar's win along, really. :)

Yeah,stupid Nadziranim, I was giving him all this advice and he just went and lost faster!

Aww ok.  I thought he'd just shaken it off temporarily.
If Swift joined the conversation, I was going to have her taunt it about its buddy we killed in Argazad to try and get it all riled up.  There goes half of Swift's entertainment...

Well, if it can help make you feel better, Swift Fox, he'd have counter-taunted you back if you did that - this particular Nadziran went with the "make my own Darklord" plan because he was against adding the powers of Kai to Darkspwan, since that implied that Kai were better than Naar's creation - he was very annoyed when he found he had to resort to stealing Lone Wolf's remains to complete the ritual, but by then Vyctar and Zahira where committed enough to the plan and talked him into it.

Althugh, as you will see with my next post (as soon as I get around to it, I'm a bit stumped on the precise wording to use), the fact you succesfully infiltrated Argazad would be a much better thing to taunt him with... and Vyctar would be impressed by such a feat as well, for that matter. ^_^

I see Water Hornet is around, but hasn't posted yet. I hope there's not too many posts for you to pipe up WH!


Also, do we think we just have to fight here? Swift Fox is finding all sorts of fun stuff mechanically around the room and on Vyctar. Maybe the rest of us just need to assess him and decide to attack.

Yep, Swift seems more interested in the shinies in the room than in Vyctar himself.  Surprised that isn't irritating his ego actually.  Maybe he really can't see her :)

Well I'm game for just trying to push his buttons really, a raged Darklord is a reckless one at that ;)

Well, Swift Fox, let's just say that Sun Snake is doing a good enough work of selling himself as all-knowing to be seen as the one thig Vyctar should direct all of his interest to.

Not like you helped him any into achieving that, did you? ;)

I am around, indeed. Sorry for the lack of posting - I'm away from my place and have to post from my phone (thankfully wi-fi is available over here.

Anyway, it looks like you're doing a good job riling up Vyctar. We should probably be happy about taking the Nadziran out of the equation. :)

I'll try to chime in, once I have an idea how Hornet could effectively help.

Seems like we might just be gearing up to defeat Vyctar. So those attack plans might be a good idea.



OOC we could get the SOmmerswerd back and leave, but we'd have to give him something to satisfy him in regards revernge for Zahira. Not sure how to summon Valador, and if that's possible/wise, and not sure if betraying Renora would be accepted, acceptable, nor possible. :)

So I think maybe we're heading towards fighting Vyctar after all.

Well Foxy is all for killing him since he feels like he can effortlessly kill us lol

Hmm, I don't think Swift has anything that can actually hurt this guy much beyond a scratch.
Her best tactic here is probably to just spend the whole battle hiding behind her shield and continually chipping away at him with his own magic :)

None of us can do much to hurt him beyond a scratch. No point in ruling yourself out and us dying when you have lots of abilities to mention and figure out how to use.

We'll need that regeneration destroyed, and the sun shards released. I don't know how much time tat actually requires, and if you need to be in any position to do maximum damage.

Reflecting his spells seems a good idea, but that makes Swift Fox a target so we would still have to co-ordinate protecting you even if you stay behind your shield. Also we might want to pick the right spells to reflect - especially ones that destroy items, say, might be bad for us but good against him?

And really if there's any way we could summon Valador since he has the fifth dagger that would be cool.

Plus we need the Craftsmen to be able to neutralise the sword and crypt spawn ring if at all possible, and even work out how to neutralise those snakes - or maybe that';s more an Animal Control. I'm not sure of the shield is a physical shield or an ability - if a real shield, if it can be neutralised that would be good.


In general any effects that can immobilise him would be good.

Any way to stop thgose snakes attack us and helping immobilise us would be good.

Can a three way (or four way with the scarf) Nexus push keep him back or disrupt some of his magical abilities?

Does anyone have counterspell and can it work to disrupt right handed magic?

Is there any specific spell in the right handed magic list people can counter?

Well, Swift Fox, you could go crit-fishing with the Jade Spike, maybe? :)

Also, keep in mind that you have numbers on your side - mabe you only inflict 1 END damage for the turn, but if everybody else also inflict 1 END damage, he's taken 7 in total, of which his regeneration will only recover 2. So, even if it's just a few scratches, everything might matter! ^_^

But yes, he's supposed to be an hard opponent for the entire party to face - Darklords are supposed to be though, and I tried my best to render that thoughness in the stat. I guess you all think I succeeded?

And by the way, Sabre Fox, if you feel like trying that one-on-one duel by yourself, you are still free to ask Vyctar for it, assuming you still believe it would be a good idea. ;D

As for Sun Snake's questions: the shiled is Vyctar's normal shield, and can be destroyed as normal, or otherwise removed from the picture, as can practically any other weapon he's wielding.

De-magicking the sword would take one minute, which here I'll rule as five full rounds doing specifically that; the regeneration that Swift Fox can weaken isn't the 2 Vyctar gets for being a Darklord, is the x5 multiplier which applies when he does nothing for that turn (which would include forgeoing all of his damage to all of you as well as his special action). If you want to wait to give Swift Fox the time to disrupt the regeneration improving spell before the battle (it takes a minute) you're allowed to, although I'll ask that you signal to Swift Fox to proceed with it in character and also provide some reason for Vyctar not to stop her, gaining time or something.

Using a Sun Shard takes 1 single round and would affect everybody in the room.

Also, I should put up the Cryptspawn's stats on there too, I guess - it should help you all strategize a bit better.

...I did say that there was a real risk of dying when you entered the fortress, yes? Because this specific fight is what I had in mind when I said that.
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The Jade Spike can do more than 1 damage to him on a crit then?  (O.O)

Let me know when you want to use the Sun Shards then.  :)  They seem to be our best weapon until we can get the Sommerswerd off him.  5 lovely damage per shard :)  Still got 3 gems I can change to shards as well, so potentially 6 of them to play with.  Though I might have to absorb one or more to avoid completely depleting Swift's WP pool and leaving her helpless.

(Not sure if I can chop off that tentacle tail thing holding the Sommerswerd with a dagger or not?)

Disrupting his weapons isn't an option, since I'd have to do nothing except try to hang onto them for long enough, and I'm fairly positive he does know where Swift is, even if he can't see her.
(Was one of the first things I thought of trying actually) :)


I do have a ranged attack that might hurt him  but can't use it until someone chops off those "attack all" appendages.

In reply to Swift Fox (msg # 65):
Of course you can! Here's the relevant ability.

If you roll 0 in combat, you always receive 0 damage, so, criticals count as magic, thus damage is capped at 3. That's higher than 1, isn't it? ^_^

Chopping off the tail is indeed possible, as is cutting any other appendage (although the regeneration will make them regrow quickly enough) and as always, amputation requires the user to spend 2 WP with a Weapon they have Weaponsmastery into to make an "unusual use of the weapon", and the dismembering will only apply if the attacker inflicts more damage than they take with that attack. Considering Vyctar's shield, that might be harder than it sounds, but yes, it's obviously doable - in fact, I expect this is the one thing you'll be focusing on the most, as does Vyctar, and plans have been made to make your success in doing so harder (but obviously not impossible).
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Oh, didn't realise the effect would take that long (the regeneration multiplier reduction). I have an idea Sun Snake won't like to keep Vyctar focused and talking a little longer without it seeming as if we're backing down.

Sun Snake has his axe for light, but it's a WP sink give how many things we need to do. 1WP will do the light thing for five rounds- I figure we'll need around ten one way or another - and 2WP to empower the axe if he can hit with it at all for extra damage. Is that still capped to 3?



So at best we deal 5 damage to him a round, so that's 10 rounds at least, because any additional damage we do will get traded against those doing other things, ignored, or killed.

So we need to figure out how to survive a long fight.

Also, I assumed getting the Sommerswerd wouldn't be easy, but I'm not sure if it's worth the danger in going for it when it's the obvious tactic. We might not have a choice later, but it might be easier to ignore it to start with and keep Vyctar off balance.

I think the description was pretty clear, wasn't it? Damage is capped at 1 for normal weapons, at 3 for magic weapons and spells, and isn't capped at all for sun-based damage. What would you think the damage from the Kai Hand-Axe should qualify as? :)

Also, while you're right that getting the Sommerswerd might be harder, Sun Snake, keep in mind that the Sommerswerd obviously counts as sun-based, so it would speed up the progress of the battle by quite a lot.

Also it's the only weapon in the room that can actually kill him ;)

Sorry, I should have qualified it, does the hand axe's base damage get capped at 3, and the +damage from the sun effect get added on afterwards, does
the hand axe get full damage as long as the sun effect is being used that turn, or does the hand axe just get full damage no matter what?

By the way you say it, it's the second or third option?


And yeah, I mean the Sommerswerd is good (the drawing magic would be very handy), but I think the tails are maybe our priority so that everyone doesn't get engaged in melee and potentially die in the first few turns. The gangup bonus is at least useless so the extra arms aren't quite the punishment they seem, I don't know if anyone can get to within 11CS of Vyctar anyway? Unless Swift Fox says otherwise about removing them?

I mean we can go for the all out get the Sommerswerd plan, I just imagine everyone dying getting in the melee range to get it.

I'd have said the trying to Nexus push Vyctar around would be good, except we need everyone doing damage I think.


Presumeably Swift Fox's daggers don't count as the godly powered weapon yet, they need to be reunited with each other? Or is it just power level wise they could be the same as the Sommerswerd if combined, but still wouldn't kill a Darklord?

If you were to strike with all five flowers at the same time while they're wielded by a single body and a single soul, the five daggers together would kill Vyctar. As things stand now though, no, they won't. So yes, the Sommerswerd really is your only available option to kill Vyctar here.

You could have had others (Valador has the fifth dagger, for example, so if you'd killed him at the Maakengorge, you'd now have it available, and the Deathstaff would work as well, as would the Dagger of Vshna if you hadn't derailed Alyne's plan to steal it at the beginnning of the game), but your choices lead in other directions, so right now you don't. But then, different choices might well have meant not facing Vyctar at all (or at least not in this Darklord form), so really, that's not particularly relevant.

Also keep in mind, to neutralize Vyctar's long range options you need to cut the tail with the Scythe and disarm him of the Whip; he wouldn't risk using the Sommerswerd-wielding tail to strike at range, it'd make losing the weapon too likely.

As for CS, Sabre Fox regularly hovers on the 26-28 benchmark or so; to get a combat ratio of -10 against Vyctar, he'd need to make it to 35 CS, which would mean getting the +8 gang-up bonus (and it might not suffice), so having a full four people going before himself. That's to get the combat ratio to -10, where rolling 1 still is risking instant death; each further progress to higher levels of CR would require him a further +2. So, all in all, even with the gang-up bonus, it seems very unlikely to me that anybody other than perhaps Sabre and Sun Fox can get out of the -11 colum.

And you're right, I should have clarified regarding the Kai Hand-Axe. It work like this; if you are using either Sun Aura, Sun Blast, or both together, the entire damage from the axe (including that inflicted on the combat results table and the bonus from your disciplines) will count as sun-based; if you are using neither, then it's a magical weapon and the damage is capped at 3. I hope that makes it clearer?

They could work if I didn't have one missing.
Then again I have no idea how to activate them anyway, so even if I had the 5th one it wouldn't do much right now.

Seems the only tactic available is to beat him down to zero Endurance, then grab the Sommerswerd back and stab the core with it before he can recover.

I don't think Swift has the skills to lop off limbs.  That's probably more Sabre Fox or Sun Fox's department :)

Not too sure how I'll use the Sun Shards actually.  Would dropping them on the floor suffice for them to work here?
Might be our best option, since if I can convert the three Vordak Gems to Sun Shards, then Sun Snake uses the axe to set them all off at once, they'll restore us all pretty much back to full, and smack Vyctar in the face with at least 30 damage.  It'll take more than sunblock to shrug that one off! :)
This message was last edited by the player at 12:28, Sat 05 Mar 2016.

You just need to will the Sun Shard to activate and it will activate, Swift Fox - wether you want to drop it to the ground or pocket it afterward is really completely up to you. Also, you can only willingly activate one Sun Shard per turn.

Also, since it has been mentioned twice and it's relevant - trying to maneuver Vyctar into a corner is most certainly doable and it would likely give you some type of advantage, Sun Snake.

In just the same way, while your idea to have all the Vordak Gems you still have be activate at once by the Hand-Axe is valid, Swift Fox, if you make it too obvious what you're doing, then Vyctar will notice and scatter the gems, so that you'll need to convert them one at a time. I won't have him do that automatically, since he would have no idea what the goal of such a maneuver is, but keep in mind he's far from stupid, ok? :)

That's understandable about the axe, thanks!


And that's a shame about the shards, after the first one Swift Fox is likely to be a target. We need the boosts, but we'll only get one then we'll need to defend Swift Fox. Assuming her appearance and breaking the room doesn't trigger Vyctar's wrath right off the bat.

To convert the gems, hmm, I guess that would be the point to

Or maybe we need try for the Sommerswerd, and while pushing for that Swift Fox will be able to convert the gems. And then perhaps by pretending our inability toget it is a deliberate botch, then presenting the gems and the other light damaging stuff, Vyctar might suspect that the Sommerswerd play is a ruse and we plan to damage him through other means then take it once he's down. So THEN we go hard after the Sommerswerd the moment he tries to disrupt the gems being used? Or something?

Aww ok.  Well, if we can trigger one per turn, that's still 5 damage to him and a 5 Endurance/WP heal for all of us each time.  When you need every advantage you can get, that's not a bad one :)

He does seem kind of arrogant in assuming we're all no threat to him.  If it was me, I'd be keeping a very close eye on the people I hadn't seen before.  Unknown capabilities and all that ;)
This message was last edited by the player at 15:58, Sat 05 Mar 2016.

Also she won't shut down the extra regeneration things immediately, given that doing so will also effectively blind everyone who doesn't have some sort of Night Vision ability.
She'll be leaving that until necessary to stop him taking advantage of the extra regen.  Unless someone tells her to break it early of course...

Wait, you have to do the regeneration destruction first if it takes a minute to do. I do not believe we can let him have the ability to just restore 10EP for an off turn - that's probably the damage of a brilliant turn or us :(

And it won't blind everyone, I said I have the sun axe - I can make it light. So yes, the only reason for Sun Snake to buy time right now is to let you break the regeneration, or else we may as well start the fight.


And at worst, Sun Snake can try to share senses with everyone and read the room with tremorsense too so maybe you won't be blined?

They'll still be blinded, but the penalties will be less severe if you share your psychic senses with the others.

To make it clear, being blinded means a -4 CS penalty, plus inflicted damage reduced to 0 on an odd roll, and it multiple people rolled an odd number, they'll all give me a luck roll, with those who get bad luck inflictng the damage they'd have inflicted on Vyctar onto one of the others instead.

The good thing here is that -4 CS is just cosmetic as far as penalties go, at least for most of you. Heck, you could fight blind and unarmed and the -8 CS wouldn't matter, so that's in your favour, at least. :)

Anyway, depending on what the benefit of your tremorsense is (which depends on how well you can sell me on it working and being useable, really, plus your roll each turn), it might severely mitigate that - for example, I might decide that it stops the chance of friendly fire, but not the chance to waste a turn. It will depend, really, on how you go about applying it to this specific fight.

Does knowing that helps any? ^_^

And on the matter of the regeneration, yes, I expect that 10 damage in a turn might be about the standard you can average among the whole group, considering that nearly all of you have access to at least magic weapons. Of course, Vyctar has one spell that makes him recover 12 END in a turn, but that does costs WP and if I decide to go for a spell I'll be rolling for it anyway (well, I'll make Sabre Fox roll, but really, that's the same thing), on account of Vyctar knowing the spells but not being very well versed with them.

As for him being arrogant, Swift Fox, you did saw his CS - it just takes a few bad rolls on your part for him to kill you all, and considering his defenses, he has plenty of chance to leverage that into a win.

Also, he's underestimating the rest of you because Sun Snake made a magnificent job of selling himself as the mastermind - that makes you all hard to notice. And I think that you in particular thrive upon going unnoticed, isn't it? ;D

Ah, so I should really be doing that right NOW?  (O.o)'

Unless I mistook what Shadow said earlier about Sun Snake needing to keep Vyctar distracted and giving you a signal IC to start? Wasn't it the sun destruction that would take a minute?


Also, did we leave the Lorestones on the Skyrider? I forget...


And ooh, I shall try to justify Tremorsense etc for not being so blind and accidentally stabbing each other if it comes to that :) Hopefully it wouldn't come to that, because that means for whatever reason my shiny axe isn't doing so well as a lighting source :(

Well as long as the signal isn't too subtle so that a thick player like me would miss it ;)  hehe.

Not sure what you mean by sun destruction.  Was referring to destroying the purple veins of light around the room that boost Vyctar's regeneration.
Destroying the sun might be tricker, and probably not something a Kai would want to do anyway :)

Pretty sure we left the Lorestones with Frost Ferret back on the ship.

Out of curiosity, if we all die here, is it too late to create new characters to come back for a second go at him? :)
This message was last edited by the player at 20:10, Sat 05 Mar 2016.

I think so too, since I specifically asked because I knew they might be useful at this point, and I believe you said you didn't wanted to risk losing them. But I will double-check to make sure.

And yes, the destruction we're referring to is that of the obsidian veins, which indeed would take 1 full minute, which Swift Fox, does means you have to devote five combat round to doing only that if you want to do it during the battle. Sun Snake was hoping you'd do it before the battle while he distracts Vyctar.

That's the gist of it all, I believe?

Just me misundestanding what Swift Fox was destroying - I thought the sun was linked to the veins and had to be the thing destroyed. So yes, meant the veins. And I'll make sure the signal isn't too subtle :)


I was hoping if we die we get to play Vyctar, Valador, Shining Peacock, and whoever else is working in the background against us, in a PvP finale to see who gets to ruin Magnamund first!

ooo, I wanna play as Moon Shadow! :D  hehe.

I'm doubtful that Vyctar can kill you all; a few, possibly, but everybody seems like it'd be a stretch. Still, we'll need to wait and see, I guess. If some of you die, there's not much I can give you as replacement characters, either - it'll be either taking over survivng NPC, or I'll have to invent something.

But if you all die, I think I should just treat that as the game's ending - Lone Wolf books do have a few points where you can fail the mission and lose your life, after all.

Well, if things progress to that point, we'll see; no need to worry about that right now. :)

I leave you for a couple of days and we end up fighting a Darklord?! ^_^
Seriously, though, I'm sorry about me dropping off for a while, but things just ended up like that. (At least, it seems there wasn't much Hornet could've done I think...) Let's get back on track, then. :)

I was wondering about a couple of things (some were already mentioned):
1) the snakes on Vyctar's body - they seem like they are a product of evil magic, but still: could Animal Control be of any use against them?
2) The Darklord as a whole seems to be focused around snake theme - thus, again, is there a way AC could glimpse some pieces of information about Vyctar's dis/abilities?

I meant to make WH spend the time while Vyctar was chatting with Snake and Sabre studying the Darklord, but didn't get to post that - my mistake, but perhaps it can be kind of retconned? :) (Provided, there's any chance of learning anything, in the first place, of course.)

Anyway, there's also another trick we might try (the one I mentioned previously I had had in mind for some time):
the High Priest's mask gives the wearer the 'Water Dominion' ability; I wondered how that could be utilized against human opponents - since human body contains a large amount of water... :) Now, Shadow, of course created an opponent that is no longer human (and foiled my devilish plan)...but what about Lone Wolf?
If I understand it correctly, Vyctar needs LW's hand to hold the Sommerswerd - so it's still wielded by a Kai, and the hand should be in some strange state of being half-alive...hence the question: could Water Dominion be used against human parts of Vyctar's body (especially the hand holding the Sommerswerd) to make them 'explode' (e.g. pulling all the water out shredding the flesh in the process, or making the water boil, etc.)?

Yay, good to have you back with violent ideas! Sun Snake needs to buy Swift Fox more time, so that should mean Water Hornet can read things without need to retcon :)

Indeed, if you want to check something, Hornet, you're free to try whatever you can think of to learn more about Vyctar - and yes, if there was no time to do so in character, I would still give you any information your powers would let you discover about your enemy.

For example, the snakes here are no more animals than Sun Snake is, so your Animal Control won't work on them directly - they have no animal mind for you to influence and they don't act with any animal instinct you recognize. However, they're still shaped and move the way snakes do, so while you can't apply Animal Control to them directly, you can still use it for purposes related to analyzing their movements - you'll even get the +3 CS for fighting something that moves and fights like an animal, despite it really being unimportant here. But maybe knowing this, you can figure out some way to make your Animal Control count, even if using it in a normal fashion isn't feasible?

As for the Jade Mask, let me ask you a question back: if it could make a person explode by manipulating the water inside of them, don't you think the High Priest would have used that ability against you? :)

The jade mask works on water, not on fluids who are partially made of water like blood is, and it also doesn't affects anything which is inside a living being anyway, and Vyctar is also magically protected as a side effect of being a Darklord, which adds another barrier to that kind of trick. It can't be done.

If Sun Snake really wants to wind up Vyctar, perhaps this might be more effective than the Wall of text style.
The ultimate antidote to the "Gloating Villain Speech" ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TTJmVyk9Aa4

That might not go down well...


So should I pull the trigger on giving Swift Fox the nod / distracting Vyctar then?

Any time you're ready :)

Hmmm I'm trying to think how to spay this beast without getting everyone killed 0.0

If you have any coding skill and can hack the RPoL dice roller to give us a string of 9s that would be a good start :D


Otherwise I think Nexus pushes, and clever discipline/weapon use from yourself to hack those tails off as quickly as possible.

And a cunning plan to grab the Sommerswerd too!


Anyway, fingers crossed Vyctar will bite and we get our extra minute...

Yay, we 're in a fight with an invincible darklord.

So, umm, what's everyone got? :D

I've got a pointy sharp thing and a round shiny thing :)

Also, Swift thrives in the darkness, it's her second home! ;)
Just before the light went down, I was tempted to have her use Riddick's line there: "You're not afraid of the dark are you?  The light hurts my eyes!"

Maybe he just wasn't as clever (and devious) as us...? :D OK, I thought that might've been a stretch, but no harm in asking. :)

Is it something more than having Sommerswerd melted to his body? I assume a Darklord would have some innate magic resistance (so you can't, for example, simply zap him
with Lightning Hand), but is there more to it?

Yay, thanks! I'll do my best to make it count.

Would it also work if we stated (OOC) what we want the NPC do and let you write the actual post?
This message was last edited by the player at 19:22, Tue 08 Mar 2016.

That would work perfectly fine - I expect you're going to use the OOC thread to strategize anyway, so there's no harm in using it to rely your intentions for your controlled NPC, too.

Speaking of which, if any of you has questions about anything, feel free to ask me about it - I'll make sure to let you know everything their character would.

Ok, seems like people are having a lot of doubts about this, so let's clear them.

For those who haven't access to the Combat Result Table (you do realize there's a link to it in the Game Rules thread, at the voice Combat, yes?), here's what the -11 combat ratio column looks like:


Roll:              /  1 /  2 /  3 /  4 /  5 /  6 /  7 /  8 /  9 /  0 /
Damage Inflicted:  /  0 /  0 /  0 /  0 /  1 /  2 /  3 /  4 /  5 /  6 /
Damage Taken:      / KO / KO / -8 / -8 / -7 / -6 / -5 / -4 / -3 / -0 /

Also, here's something I said back when I gave you all Vyctar's stats:



What this mean is that, if you roll 1 or 2, then you need to roll again, and if it's good luck, you take damage as if you'r rolled 3 instead of being instantly killed. Which means that, if the intant KO result come up, you have 50% chance of just taking END damage instead, which as usual applies if you roll an even number on the luck roll.

Lastly, I said another extremely important thing, which is as follow:



Here's an example of properly labeled rolls:

23:00, Thu 10 Dec 2015: Dusk Rat rolled 8 using 1d10 with rolls of 8. Stalwart Trout luck
21:37, Thu 10 Dec 2015: Dusk Rat rolled 1 using 1d10 with rolls of 1.  Stalwart Trout attack
18:47, Thu 10 Dec 2015: Dusk Rat rolled 10 using 1d10 with rolls of 10. Dusk Rat attack

Please be sure of labelling everything properly, otherwise things becomes a mess and I can't make a rule about anything, ok? You'll make me happy if you do! ^_^

And one last thing - check out the Discipline thread and remember that you get a weapon trick for your Weaponskill - they each cost 2 WP to activate and last 5 rounds, but I feel you might find them extremely helpful in this particular battle.
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:50, Tue 08 Mar 2016.

I added a PM to my previous main thread post!

I would prefer you to posts as Dawn Sword, but I can of course figure out what I want her to do. Not die seems priority, though I guess she has the same chances as we all do :)


So the shield only affects one player per turn, right? I forget if I asked this already. So if only one person gets the K result against Vyctar, that would instead just turn to a 0 damage taken/ inflicted, right? But the second person onwards each round has a 10% to die unless they can ensure they roll better than a 1 or 2?

In reply to Sun Snake (msg # 99):

Or unless they roll good luck on the die after getting the low roll, but yes, that's otherwise accurate.

EDIT: also, everybody, Sun Snake is trying to use his psychic powers on all of you - in character, he'd be asking permission for you all to let him in, which will require you to keep your Psy-Screen unused throughout this fight. If you're fine with that, just say so.
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:15, Tue 08 Mar 2016.

so since it's my birthday today, what goodies do I get? Invulnerable to damage? 10FP's? Etc ;)

If you survive the battle, I'll allow one of your swords to make a connection with Vyctar's soul which Swift Fox and Silver Raven can then work upon on your return journey to make a Naar-powered weapon capable of killing a darklord; basically, your very own personal Helshezag.

How do you feel about that? If it's not to your liking, I'm willing to hear what else you would prefer and see if it's something I feel like giving you - assuming you actually survive fighting Vyctar first.

Also, when you decide what you're doing for this round, also roll me a disarm attempt for Vyctar; if the roll is 4 or less, one of you will be disarmed of one of the weapon they're wearing, with 4 disamring Hornet, 3 disarming you, 2 disarming Swift Fox, and 1 disarming Sun Snake.

Speaking of which, I need to have everybody's answer on wether you're allowing Sun Snake to enter your mind or not! The effects of what he's attempting are hugely dependant on wether you allow him in.

Might be fun persuading Swift to work on that particular little project! ;)  hehe.

Anyways, yep, if Swift doesn't immediately come under psychic attack from Vyctar, she'll likely let her mental shield fade anyway to make it easier for Raven to read her intentions.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:43, Wed 09 Mar 2016.

Woohoo - personal Helshezag in the hands of a Kai - that sounds cool. Although, there'll surely be a price to pay for using it, as we know Shadow... ;)

Water Hornet would allow Sun Snake to connect with his mind (once he'd realize it's Sun Snake and not Vyctar exerting their psychic powers on him) - so yes, WH would not raise his Psy-screen.


So, only one roll for the whole group is necessary, right? Anyone volunteers? *peers around* :)

Also, do I choose an additional action or Hornet's study of Vyctar's body is what happens in the current turn? (I know I'll also have to decide on Sun Fox's actions - but that's going to be more of a group decision, I expect.)

Sabre Fox is in charge of rolling for Vyctar; you're already been assigned Sun Fox, Hornet - no need to hog al the rolling for yourself, right? ;)

If you want to spend an action doing something, Hornet, you can - otherwise I'll just have you make a normal attack while you try and see what you can gather with your powers, same as I'm currently ruling for Sun Snake. I will be needing you to roll either way.

Ah, I missed the "also roll me a disarm attempt for Vyctar" part, sorry. :)

OK, I think I won't do anything special, then. (I'll be rolling once we decide what Sun Fox should attempt.)

I got you an early birthday present Sabre, but hopefully you never have to find out what it is :)


And yes, yes, trust your trustworthy mind meddler with your mind. What could possibly go wrong! :D
This message was last edited by the player at 20:19, Wed 09 Mar 2016.

I forgot if I asked before, can we decide when to apply the +4 PC bonus to a roll after we know what it is? Or do we need to nominate it at the time before the roll?

You can wait until after the roll, obviously - how else would it be able to save you from death otherwise?

To be fully honest, I'm not a supporter of flexible bonuses who must be used before the roll - either make a bonus "always-on" and apply before the roll, or make it flexible (ie, the player can choose when to use it) and let the player use it after the roll is made. I can understand the logic behind it (use thing when you're making a roll you absolutely don't want to fail!), but I think the bad feelings for the players when they waste those kind of bonuses far outstrip the advantage of reqarding those who know to hold the bonus back until it's truly needed.

What can I say? I like my player to have fun as they play. :)

Speaking of which: do you feel that this confrontation is a chane for you to have fun? Or do you see it more as something of a drag on the game and you would be happier if this final confrontation had been something other than a fight?

The confrontation seems fine. Lots of attacks to counter, etc, and we weren't quite railroaded in to the fight - we could choose our opponent, we might have been able to pit the two personalities against each other better, and Vyctar may have let us leave if we could figure out a better offer.


Since the last two confrontations (if we only have two) will be the order and Valador, which are less likely to be combats, or straight combats, then this seems the best time to have one final epic battle. Against a Darklord no less.

I'm glad to know you at least are liking it, Sun Snake... although I noticed you left Shining Peacock out? Or are you including him with "the order"?

Anyway, for anybody interested, I want to let you know that this game is currently the 18th active fantasy game on the site by number of posts! I doubt we can go much higher than that (the games around the 15th position are at the 28'000 posts mark, and to enter the top ten we'd need 30'000, let alone the top game which is above 80'000 posts - and it's not like their number of posts won't keep climbing either), but still, it does is something of an accomplishment, I feel, that we all stuck with this game for long enough to make it reach that milestone.

So, again, thank you all for being wonderful players - I'm lucky to have each one of you aboard for this journey! ^_^

I'm hoping Shining Peacock is part of the whole order resolution and not a giant potential battle needed ahead of time!

Considering he's capable of turning all our brains to mush, I'm not looking forward to the Shining Peacock fight...

But, unless Sun Snake can discourage him from his intentions of taking over the Monastery (or just squash him under a gigantic Wall of Text), Swift did say she would be prepared to consider him a threat to the Order and "take the appropriate action"... ;)
This message was last edited by the player at 18:46, Fri 11 Mar 2016.

Or you could just let me take the helm of the Kai Order and steer it toward the greatest succeesses it has ever achieved, above and beyond anybody's wildest dreams. Wouldn't that be a much better way to resolve any disagreement between us?

Yep, go ahead.  I'll be right behind you.

*sharpens dagger*  Not too far behind you though...  ;)

Noooooooope, which is why Sun Snake will be acting like the contrary distraction while Swift Fox gets behind Shining peacock :)

Hehe :)

I believe it's just as possible that we don't (have to) fight Shining Peacock as that we do have to fight him. Of course, his attitude "let me rule the Order, otherwise I'll smite you out of my way" isn't going to help. ^_^

Similarly, as you asked, Shadow, about our current fight: it's great to know that it might've taken a different turn, have we chosen a different course of actions. The world feels to be real and alive, so both in Hornet's and my own mind, I think what it'd be like if we managed to reach Vyctar before his transformation into a Darklord. But at the same time it means it could've been much worse if we had dallied even more. So, just like Snake said: it's not like there was no other option for us than end up in a fight with a Darklord. Plus, there's a chance/hope we find a way to change the battle from simple exchange of blows (the game at which Vyctar is probably at a serious advantage). :) (Not that I'm against a good old fight, either. ;) )

Sorry guys, recovering from a 3 day drinking binge for my birthday 0.0

Anyway, any chance of a summary?

Sure! Nothing happened. :)

Seriously, Hornet has yet to give me his actions for Sun Fox, Sun Snake hasn't finalized those for Dawn Sword, I've yet to get rolls from anybody but Swift Fox, and I'm also waiting to hear from you (obviously as you were justifiably out of it) both on what you were doing and on wether you want to let Sun Snake into your mind - the others have already accepted, but I can't explain the effects of what he's about to do until you give us your answer because what he's attempting is heavily dependent on how many people agree to it, so the effects will be different wether you join in or refuse to.

Anyway, that sums up to the main game thread not having progressed any, so everything is much like you left it. Also, as you requested a gift for your Birthday party, I offered you the chance to turn one of your swords (or even Vyctar's) into your own very personal version of Helshezag, although you'll only receive it if you can survive the battle, obviously. ^_^

Anything else you want to know?

I edited rolls in to message 107, and I haven't finalised any moves for Dawn Sword because I didn't know anything else was needed! What else do you need from me?

...well, I'd missed that. In that case I don't need anything else from you for right now, Sun Snake - and I'm sorry for not having noticed your rolls.

Yay!


Also, Sabre needs to roll a disarm for Vyctar, and not roll a 1 because I'm not sure how bad losing the light source and a sun based damage source will be right now. I'm assming a little bad for some of us!

I suppose I best pet Snake in....... Against my better judgement!

I noticed the disarm roll. Is that necessary for Fox due to Weaponmastery preventing disarms with swords?

And that would be a nice gift!! ....... Why do I feel like there's a catch? 0.0
This message was last edited by the player at 23:20, Sun 13 Mar 2016.

Persuading Swift to craft cursed unholy weaponry might be a little tricky...  ;)  hehe.

Well, because it's an evil weapon, so it obviously will have evil rules. But it will be very powerful. Of course, if you'd prefer not to have it, and want to suggest something else, I'm open to suggestions. :)

As for disarm working on you or not... we'll see about that after you roll. :)

Also! Since everybody accepted Sun Snake's offer, you get the maximum effect possible, which mean you can choose one of the following boosts and, so long as none of you uses Mindshield or Psy-Screen and Sun Snake is alive, you can benefit from this for the entire battle.

Sun Fox, Silver Raven and Dawn Sword will also benefit from this - and you can make the choice for them freely, it doesn't need to be the same as what you make of your own.

Effect 1: free reroll when the result is 1
Effect 2: +1 to your rolls
Effect 3: roll luck twice when getting the KO result, and choose which to keep
Effect 4: regain 2 WP each time a turn starts

I hope that feels like a good thing to have available! ^_^

ooo nice :)

Does that mean we choose one and only use that one on every turn it's available, or can we choose a different one each turn?

You choose one and keep it for the entire battle; it is a result of exactly how your mind is handling what Sun Snake is doing, which is harmonizing everybody in the room so that you all are aware and can predict the actions of everybody involved in the link - which includes Vyctar because the attack was subtle enough that he didn't noticed it. Thus, it changing each turn wouldn't make sense - since the result is different for everybody due to you all being different people, not due to an ability on your choice to choose details about the mindlink.

And Sun Snake, in case it wasn't clear, you get to choose one bonus too - it's not just for the others, you're included in this thing too after all. :)

I'll have Effect 1 then.  Might make it a little more difficult for the dice roller to insta-kill me :)

Hmm....think I'll choose effect 2 for Dawn Sword to keep her out of instant kill range. Not sure whether 2 or 4 for Sun Snake though. I think the willpower might make more of a difference in the end than the extra damage either way. So I'll go with 4.

Anyway, cool effect!

Hmmm, I agree that the WP restore each turn sounds enticing, but I'll go with Effect 2 for Water Hornet.

As for Sun Fox, I'm undecided whether it should be Effect 2 or Effect 4 - not that I'm trying to get Sun Fox killed :) I just expect Vyctar to use the nullifying ability of his shield against Sun Fox more (since she's a major damage dealer, I'd expect Vyctar to expect ^_^). (Also, hopefully, I'm not meta-gaming much with this assumption.)

Regarding Sun Fox's actions: I thought she might try to catch Vyctar's whip on her blade and wrench it out of his grasp (he surely has unnatural strength, but might be surprised and thus allow his weapon to be jerked out of his hand, I hope) or maybe cut off the whip's end or something like that.

But if Snake is attempting a similar thing(?) maybe it's a waste of action - thoughts?

(Shadow, I understand I'll have to choose what weapon Sun Fox uses etc. - I'll post it shortly.)

BTW, rolled for Hornet: 2.
:/ AT least it's upped to 3 with the bonus.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:04, Tue 15 Mar 2016.

Removing the whip is a disarming attempt, Hornet, which means 2 WP cost and Sun Fox will succeed if she inflicts more damage than she takes. She'd not be able to inflict damage past the cap (in fact, a disarming attempt would inflict no damage at all, unless it was an amputation), but I'd be using the actual damage before the cap to calculate wether she succeed or not, so the chances aren't too bad.

Also, since Vyctar needs to be disarmed of both the whip and his scythe tail to be made unable to strike people at a distance, even if Sun Snake was going for that a second disarming attempt would still not be wasted. Besides, given the fact that rolling 4 or lower is a guaranteed failure here (0 dmg inflicted counts as a miss, so no matter what you're doing, the enemy takes no damage at all), having multiple attempts at it would not be a bad idea anyway.

And speaking of that, due to the cap on damage due to Vyctar's Darklord defenses, you might be surprised at seeing who's actually the highest damage dealer in this battle... :)

By the way, if you're curious, feel free to ask about Vashna's, the Deathlord's and Sejanoz's character sheets once the game is over - they are all different, although Vashna does shares the Darklord's defenses and weaknesses. I think it might be interesting to compare what your choices made you face against what you could have faced had things gone another way.
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:19, Tue 15 Mar 2016.

Think I'll go with free re roll of 1 too ;)

Also rolled a 5 for disarm. Are we to the attacking stage? As I'll most likely have Fox charge in firstly and can roll and post if so

We are at the attacking stage, yes - I'm collecting the intentions each of you has, Sabre Fox, so if you want to just charge in, you're free to do just that. :)

Well it makes sense for Foxy and Sun Fox to keep him busy physically while the rest do stealthy things ;)

While he has the tails, we're all getting thumped :(


Maybe Water Hornet can have Sun Fox slice the other arm? Hmm, or Sun Snake can try, but he's got limited resources for increasing his damage right now.

Can't really play it stealthy with this one.  Unless you can chop off all the snakes, he'll be able to sense exactly where Swift is, even if he can't see her.

Seems to be a case of "less sneaky, more stabby" >:)
This message was last edited by the player at 19:10, Tue 15 Mar 2016.

Hmmm, intriguing... :) That begs the question: is the damage cap for the Darklord applied after all the damage modifiers are counted in or before?
If I understand it correctly: you take the CRT result (= damage received/dealt according to the CR column and the roll), add all the modifiers (e.g. +1 dmg with Weaponmastery in the right weapon) and use this to calculate whether (N)PC's attempt at some action (like the disarm) succeeded. But if it was a normal attack against Vyctar - would +1 dmg bonus be applied after the cap on received damage or before? (I'd say it's the latter, but then the highest damage dealer wouldn't be surprising as it would only depend on attacker's CS/CR; unless Sun-powered weapon is used, that is).


So we could've ended facing Vashna or Sejanoz?! O.O Wow, cool to know the story could've went any way. (But maybe Dusk Rat with Shining Peacock are facing Sejanoz right now, who knows... ^_^)


Actually, that's what I was talking about - or you mean a different arm (not the one with the whip)? Anyway, all suggestions are welcome - whatever you think Sun Fox might/should be doing, please do tell.

And I think I'll go for the Effect 2 (+1 to rolls) for Sun Fox, as well.


Hmmm, that's maybe something we should consider - like Shadow said: while the snakes aren't real animals, they do act like real ones. Maybe we can make use of that.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:11, Tue 15 Mar 2016.

The cap to damage is the last thing that I will be applying, Hornet - so first I will apply all the additions from special abilities, Weaponsmastery, weapon bonuses and so on, use those to determine the success/failure of any nonconventional action you're attempting (which is why Vyctar's roll will all be succeeding if you get a 4 or less - because on a 4 or less, your result is always 0 so I know for certain that Vyctar is going to succeed), and then afterward I apply the reductions, with the cap to damage from Vyctar's Darklord defenses being the very last one I add on.

And my point was that, due to the fact that all of you will be in the -11 CR column, the person dealing the most damage might not be the one you're accustomed to see doing so, since CS matters next to nothing for this battle.

As for Vashna and Sejanoz, yes, you could have ended up facing either of them, or even both, as well as Ixiaataga - it all depended on exactly how you played it; for example, confronting Sejanoz would require persuading Peacock to let you do it in his place. Not very likely, but still possible. It would have been also more likely if the Ceners managed to collect the Deathstaff and escape southwards.

Deathlord Ixiaataga would obviously have been a problem to deal with if the Helghast at the Maakengorge managed to get its claws on the Deathstaff - and you decided to pursue them to the castle, of course, which you could also have choosen not to. It was the less likely of the four for you to face by far, but the chance was there if you decided to prioritize other things and didn't bothered stopping the Helghast plot there - or maybe decided to try and ally with that Helghast instead.

Vashna would only have showed up if you messed up very thoroughly in stopping the Acolytes' High Priest. Sun Snake has some ideas of how you all managed to avoid him showing up, and I must say that of the four, he was the one I was most expecting you would face, due to the amount of redundancies in the High Priest's plotting, but you managed to fool everything he tried very well, for which you have my compliments and the safety of having avoided that particular fight.

Vyctar I always expected would only succeed if you actually let him - which is why he as a character was designed to maximize his own chance at persuading you that he was the lesser threat, which in a way, he was. Of course, Rain Feather stumbling upon him and giving me the chance to let the man show his reasonable nature really helped on that front. :)

Aha, OK, thanks for explaining.

Wow, if we had ended up facing all the bad guys and succeeded(!), then we would've probably become the most famous Kai kill-team in history :-D
But I'm glad we hadn't - I think defeating Vyctar will be challenging enough (and rewarding if it ends up well - how many Kai can claim to have a Darklord among their defeated opponents?)

And it's good to know the High Priest's plan that was likely to come to fruition was eventually foiled. On the other hand - Vyctar did get far regarding his plan, so there's a mistake to be corrected ;)

Regarding Sun Fox's actions: I think she should use her Broadsword and apply Weaponskill's 'trick' when wielding a broadsword two-handedly which gives +1 dmg.
Let's just confirm with Sun Snake how we want to go about the disarm attempt (which arm to focus at) and then I'll make a roll for her, too.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:02, Tue 15 Mar 2016.

In reply to Water Hornet (msg # 139):

In the interest of being fair, I should point out that Sun Fox's extra damage from Weaponskill will, as I explained before, be added up before I reduce everything due to the capped damage of the Darklord defenses - so, while it should help the disarm attempt succeed, it still won't add to the damage past the cap. So long as you're fine with that, Water Hornet, I have no problem with that choice of action.

To explain, the Kai Axe gets to deal sun damage, so any attack with it isn't capped. As Sun Snake has Weaponsmastery in axe, then a) he benefits from the +1 to discipline rolls in the sun aura being applied to combat rolls, b) gets to do the Kai weapon trick to add +1 to combat rolls, and c) gets the +1 damage bonus with the axe for weaponmastery.

Note that because the axe damage won't be capped, then the +4 roll bonus we all have can be +4 damage with the weapon is the roll is high enough.

Also, there os a one off +3 damage boost one round that can be delivered by almost discharging the axe of its sunlight.


So Sun Snake has ways to deal large damage in a round. However, some are one offs, and more importantly and ironically Sun Snake has drawn attention to himself to hide the potential of people like Sun Fox, except now Vyctar might negate Sun Snake's attack and it would be a good attack.


So it might be better to not rely on Sun Snake to start with, let him tank the attack negation, and try for a disarm with one of the others?



Also, does the 2WP restoration come at the start of round 1 aswell? Sun Snake can use 2WP extra right away if so!

Yes, much like the other bonuses will start applying from this very first round, so too would the +2 WP.

Also, an important point, since Sun Snake brought up the Weaponskill trick which allows Axe and Sword wielders to get +1 to one roll; keep in mind that, unlike the Dagger+Shield or Short Sword+Shield boost, which is for a full five round, that +1 is only to one roll out of every five. I think that's a pretty important thing to keep in mind, since I wouldn't want you to mistakenly think you can use it more than once and maybe waste it on a not-instant-KO roll or something.

Didn't appreciate that, I won't increase Dawn Sword's roll this round then.

I have rolled a nice 7 for the first volley. I had an idea to use an acrobatic maneuvuer to attempt to fly behind Vyctar yo attempt to attack his tail which will do us all the damage next round. Huntmastery gives that a nice boost :) however, is that possible due to his size?

Yeah, OK, I see. Still, going for the disarm attempt.
Rolled: 8. Yay! With mind-link Effect #2 it should even go to 9, right?

In reply to Sabre Fox (msg # 144):

The room is high enough to allow for those kind of maneuvers, Sabre ox, so yes, t's allowed, although I'd like to know exactly what is your goal in doing so - what are you aiming for? You don't need to make that jump to target the tail, and spending your round jumping around means you don't get to deal damage during that round, so I need to know exactly what you're aiming for here.

And yeah, Hornet, the mind-link #2 effect will turn a roll of 8 into a 9, since that's 1 higher. It's exactly what the bonus is for. :)

It might be useful to draw Vyctar's attention and turn-nullifying effects though? If he suddenly realises how easily someone like Sabre can close the distance and make a move for the Sommerswerd?

It would be very useful to know to whom those two negated rounds would be going ahead of time and plan accordingly!

Oh, and the disarm comes from the whip, right? That would be a very good thing to get rid of if so. The axe is providing light and deals good damage, having it disamrmed is a bad thing, and I would assume Vyctar will target it once he realises the danger it posses him.

The effect would be used to gain an advantage the following round. As Snake said to divert his attention and then try and disarm, or slice off an appendage that holds the AOE or gang up effect of his weapons

Ok, I think I can work with that.


Sun Snake: CS 19, END 23/24, WP: 5/23
- boost activated: Mind Link, effect #4 (regain 2 WP), -2 WP cost
- boost activated: Sun Aura (+1 discipline roll, damage treated as sunlight), -1 WP cost
- boost activated: Axe Weapon Trick (round 1 of 5, unusued), -1 WP
- normal attack: roll 5 (4 +1)

Dawn Sword: CS 15, END 24/24, WP 12/12
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #2 (+1 to rolls)
- boost activated: Sword Weapon Trick (round 1 of 5, unusued) -2 WP
- normal attack: roll 7 (6 +1)

Water Hornet: CS 20, END 27/29, WP 10/18
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #2 (+1 to rolls)
- boost activated: Short Sword weapon trick (-2 dmg rec) -2 WP
- boost activated: Snake Understanding (luck roll can avoid snake entrapment)
- boost triggered: Turtleshell Buckler (-2 dmg rec on roll of 3 or less)
- normal attack: roll 3 (2 +1)

Sun Fox: CS 25, END 21/28, WP 13/26
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #2 (+1 to rolls)
- boost activated: Broadsword Weapon Trick (+1 dmg) -1 WP
- special action: whip disarm, roll 9 (8 +1), no damage, -2 WP

Sabre Fox: CS 27, END 34/34, WP 15/25
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #1 (reroll when getting 1)
- boost activated: Dual Wielding (round 1 of 5, remaining rolls: 5,9)
- special action: somersault, roll 7, no damage, -3 WP

Swift Fox: CS 19, END 28/30, WP 26/48
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #1 (reroll when getting 1)
- boost activated: Dagger Weapon Trick (-2 dmg rec), -2 WP
- normal attack: roll 8

Silver Raven: CS 18, END 28/31, WP 21/25
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #1 (reroll when getting 1)
- boost activated: Sword Weapon Trick (round 1 of 5, unused), -1 WP
- boost activated: Counterspell (ready, unused) -1 WP
- normal attack: roll 9

Vyctar: CS 45, END 50/50, WP 30/30
- boosts: I'm not going to list them all again, go read the main thread post with them all
- disarm attempt: roll 5 (fail)

NB: if your WP totals aren't matching, is because I've added in your WP pool items for simplicity of book-keeping in this one battle; if you check those out, you'll see the numbers are correct.


After everybody has confirmed to me that I didn't misunderstood anything, I'll be writing up the IC post.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:51, Fri 18 Mar 2016.

I'm not activating the axe trick this round as I might want to activate the sun burst. Does that mean I won't have access to the axe trick at all, or can I activate itduring a later round?

The round you pay the WP into is the first of the five rounds during which you can use it. Also, if you use the sunlight blast, that's a special action, meaning it takes the place (or is added to, depending on the action) of your normal attack.

In the case of the Sun Blast it's an add-on, by the way.

Boosts on the other hand don't take away your action. This mean you can activate unlimited boosts during your turn, but you can't take more than one special action. Basically, if something is a passive increase or is an ability that can be used across multiple turns, then it's a boost, and activating it doesn't steal your action nor does it takes a roll. On the other hand, special actions are usually one-turn only and need to be activated in place of your attack for the turn, and use the roll to determine if they succeed (usually, only succeeding if you inflict more damage than you take).

I'm sure the combat rules pointed out these difference, yes?

Either way, if you want to use the Sun Blast during this first turn, you need to declare it now, Sun Snake - after the roll is fine, but it needs to be before I make the combat post update. Otherwise, how would I fit it into the description?

Though this turn, since nobody rolled a instant kill, Vyctar will be using his shield on you, what with you presenting yourself as the most dangerous opponent, so it's likely better if you hold it back for now.

Nice summary, Shadow - makes OOC battle tracking much easier. So, I confirm everything written (regarding WH & SF). :)

Looks OK to me

I'll go with effect #1 for Silver Raven too.  (Since he'll most likely be suffering the negative effects of relying on my luck too!  hehe)

Yeah, I'll hold off on both the +4 bonus and sun burst this turn if Snake will be shield blocked :)

Pity, I was hoping if Snake could damage him this turn it might open him up for a taunt...

Alright, that's all the confirmations then - I've edited the list to match Sun Snake's and Swift Fox's intended changes. I will be writing up the battle post tomorrow morning, so you have until then to change your mind, then things will be locked in as they are.

By the way, I'm curious: was the Mind-Link effect #3 really that crappy? Nobody picked it.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:55, Fri 18 Mar 2016.

Well a luck roll to avoid a KO is still a 50/50 chance.  With a reroll, there's more chance of getting a better result, since at least 8 of the possible results wouldn't carry the insta-death risk.
So tactically, effect #1 is better for avoiding the KOs than #3, I'd imagine.  That's why I picked it anyway.

Also, forgot to add in my move.  Does Silver Raven use his shield when attacking?
If not, I'll have him use it from here on.

Hope my math holds out here...

So for effect 1:

10% chance of a 2, and 50% chance of a bad luck roll = 5% death rolling a 2
10% chance of a 1, with a following 5% chance of a 2 form the reroll and luck roll = 0.5% chance of a death from rolling a 1 (the chances of getting a 1 again, and rerolling that as a 2, go very small so I'll ignore it for now!)

So you have a 5.5%-6% chance of death, and might take less damage and actually do damage.


For effect 2, you automatically ignore the 1 so have a straight 5% chance of death and get to improve all the rolls.


For effect 3:

20% chance of death, with a 25% chance of not negating it, means 5% chance of death.


So you don't change your odds too much between 1 and 3, and for that minor gamble you get to very possibly do more damage and take less damage.

And I actually think option 2 is better than both for ignoring death (because of its use in other rolls), but there's a case to be made between 2 and 3.


Obviously if my maths is wrong then option 1 might be good, but there is probably a psychological thing about taing an option that merely negates bad luck, as opposed to one that might give good luck. No matter if the odds are different, the human brain doesn't like to automatically assume the worst will happen to it specifically, and meanwhile everyone loves to live in best case mentality land where they will of course roll a 1 then reroll to a 9 or 0 :)

I see! I hadn't considered those details - I would have thought that option 3 was the one that granted the best odds (since rolling luck twce, instead of having 50% chane of death, you only have a 12,5% chance of getting an odd roll twice), with the others offering somewhat worse odds to go along with other bonuses, but I didn't considered it was on two results rather than just one. I'll need to think it over better next time. :)

Hmmm, tempted by option 2 now...  (o.o)

Well ironically the option 1 proved quite well for me so far. Rolled a double 1 for dual wield 0.0 worst rolls on that ever! Subsequent improved tho :)

Well, if you can come up with something that I think is impressive enough to works, I'll be sure to consider having it affect the battle in some fashion.

Also, in case it wasn't clear, Sun Fox severed the whip Vyctar was holding, not his arm - I edited your post to reflect that, Sun Snake.
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:51, Sat 19 Mar 2016.

Are you updating Silver Raven's END?  I can't edit his character sheet.

...that's because the NPC sheets were locked. I've unlocked Sun Fox, Dawn Sword and Silver Raven now, so you can change their END and WP as you please.
This message had punctuation tweaked by the GM at 08:53, Mon 28 Mar 2016.

Oh wow. Rolled a 10 for the next combat round and get a 3 bonus!

I was gonna strike for the AOE appendage that is left, but with that I think I should go for the Sommerswerd. What do you guys think?

I think that adding things to a 0 won't get you any better a result, but that whatever you try, I'll do my best to write it up as awesome as I can.

Worth a try, might get negated, but Snake can do decent damage if he's not being negated himself!

Worth a go if you think it's possible to get that off him.
Even if it fails, it might shake his confidence a bit that you almost got the one weapon in the room that he's probably afraid of.

At the very least, it might draw his attention away from Swift and Raven a bit... ;)
This message was last edited by the player at 18:44, Sat 19 Mar 2016.

Actually, if Silver Raven and Swift Fox need to be out of melee in order to do some cool crystal sunlight stuff, then maybe bluff going for the Sommerswerd but actually take out the second AOE appendage? Not being automatically in melee may be a good idea as our endurance levels get lower, we might need to start distracting Vyctar from each other to string out our health and reduce his damage per round!

Well, you're free to try any strategy you can think of, but I will confirm that, if Vyctar loses his scythe, you'll be able to not be involved in melee if you choose not to be - although since he'll also be attacking on his own, at least three of you will always be in melee. Also keep in mind that, unlike the whip, his tail and other appendages can be regenerated, so if you cut it (or otherwise damage it beyond useability), it'll only allow a temporary reprieve from his "target all" ability, not a permanent one.
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:12, Sun 20 Mar 2016.

Might be worth trying anyway.  If we can get enough sun-based attacks in during that time, we might take him down before they can regenerate anyway (assuming they don't just grow back on the next turn).

At the least, it'll let us wear him down a good bit before he can stop us :)
This message was last edited by the player at 19:23, Sun 20 Mar 2016.

It would take more than one turn to regenerate a lost limb; specifically, depending on how good the roll that took he limb was, he would need to recover between 6 and 10 END before the limb was completely recovered. And he can only recover 2 END per turn, due to the empowering effect of the room having been denied. :)

Of course, he can always cast the recovering spell if he wants to heal - but to do that, he'd need to roll it first.

Well it's down to the floor people, I can go for the Scythe, or the Sommerswerd. I think the Sommerswerd is the best option due to its 5END extra damage, and allowing Foxy to deal normal damage. I already have a 9 dual wield ready along the way which will go a long way to whittle his health down a lot.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:28, Mon 21 Mar 2016.

Well if everyone thinks they can survive one or two more "attack all" hits, I'd say go for it.
Anything that deals extra damage to him has to be worth the risk right now :)

Plus, like I said, the Sommerswerd is probably the only weapon in the room he's actually afraid of, since nothing else we have can kill him permanently.
Might shake his confidence a little ;)
(And also will probably make him target everything he's got at whoever is holding it too!)

The Sommerswerd is the best option but I'm sort of imagining it being a multi-stage process getting it from VYctar. Remember Vyctar has two ways to totally negate your attempt, unless I miss how a disarm would be handled here?

Taking out the scythe this round - especailly if you play it that Sabre Fox was trying for the Sommerswerd first - might find unblocked success. And then people like Swift Fox are free to start doing distracting hurtful things to Vyctar, and give you or Sun Fox a far better shot at getting the Sommerswerd in a round or two.


Hmm, sounds like we certainly want to have Sabre have the dual wield roll good to go in the next three rounds and not waste it on a capped attack.

Maybe try for the scythe now and we make a try for the Sommerswerd round 3 or 4?


Edit: Don't forget Sun Snake - if he can get a clear shot - can imflict a decent amount of damage with the Kai Axe. Once he does that, it might make the bluff that we don't need the Sommerswerd register with Vyctar, and once that happens he'll lower his guard.


I'm happy to support it either way.

Hmm, yeah, that makes sense too...

I think we're only making the decision harder for him now :)  hehe.

EDIT: I'm still trying to figure out Swift's next move, so if anyone can think of a way she can help with whatever tactic you decide on, feel free to make a signal or something to her IC.
Right now, all I have are normal attacks though, so I doubt she'd serve as much of a distraction, since her attacks are probably just like flea bites to him.
(Wish I had some poison, assuming it would actually affect him...)
This message was last edited by the player at 19:54, Mon 21 Mar 2016.

It would not, unless it was some sort of Holy poison... which means, a regeneration effect fueled by holy power, that would interfere with the metamorphic right-handed based regeneration Vyctar has going on.


Indeed, it would be. Keep in mind, you don't just need to remove it from the tail-hand (which is sealed shut, so it can't be opened by brute strenght), you also need to then take it. And of coure, if I don't have to utilize the shield to keep one of you alive, then neutralizing an attempt to go for the Sommerswerd is mandatory as the one thing the shield will be used for.


I can think of only the shield - which one is the second you're thinking about?

I thought the snake skin could also incapacitate?

Yes you are all making the decision harder :(

However, since I rolled a 10, our gracious GM has allowed the +3 I gained from Huntmastery to apply to any roll this round, including Vyctars disarms attempt, so I would factor that into your calculations first for optimal round coverage

Hmm, well if the attack-all effect was removed and we got hold of the Sommerswerd, maybe Swift or Raven could use Fusion to cut open the sealed metal hand thing?
If that does work, it'll probably require the others keeping Vyctar off us for a few rounds though...

Guessing Vyctar can't directly touch the Sommerswerd?  (Not sure if it would just injure him, or if he's powerful enough to destroy it by wielding it).

So yeah, would probably need to get rid of the scythe before we could even try to use it anyway.

Then again, how often do you think you'll roll a critical?  This looks like a critical-hit-type situation :)

Ah, of course.

Yes, if one of you got caught by the snakes, then their following turn they would need to use their action to try to get free, while unable to use the weapons they're wielding and otherwise greatly limiting their ability to act. If Vyctar were to capture all seven of you, and then poison you all, before any of you managed to get free, then it would be a win for him. But, that looks pretty unlikely to me, and it's not like I'm going to make him use the same attack every turn - that'd be completely boring and pointless, turning the fight into a matter of luck rather than a matter of strategy and tactics.

I got confused because that (beng an attack) was a special ability, so he needs to choose to use it, unlike the shield, which is a boost (being always active) and so will trigger every turn.

It's the second - he can only wield the weapon with Lone Wolf's hand, and he knows this. However, as the hand is part of him and he do has access to Kai powers (even if he currently doesn't knows how to use them), he can regenerate the hand if it's damaged. He will destroy the Sommerswerd as a last recourse, but since he knows the sword will protect him from hostile magic, he won't try to destroy it unless he feels that there's no other option.

Right, that decides it in my mind at least. Unless any of you wish me to go for the Scythe I believe the Sommerswerd is now top priority

Logic below

It's neutralising magic, that's a big dent in all our Arsenal

It will give Fox some serious firepower, as well as then protect us from Vyctars Magic

If we choose to systematically cut him apart, he may choose to essentially hold us hostage with it since none of us will want it destroyed

It can kill him. Enough said

Essentially we really need it to complete the game, especially if it's needed against Peacock and the Deathstaff

Should anyone want me not to, please say so! I believe that is a pretty good list as it stands. The Scuthe we can always take out best, with a much better weapon to do it with no less

Also, since Fox did give it away, he wants to take it back. Who's gonna argue with him on that? Lol
This message was last edited by the player at 22:06, Mon 21 Mar 2016.

Hmmm, not going to vote against going for the Sommerswerd, we just need to remember that it will probably take more than one turn to get it.

On that front, though, I imagine Hornet could help by attacking from short distance, aiming to catch Vyctar's attention and especially draw the focus of Vyctar's snakes (and hence Snake grasp ability - which Hornet has better chance of avoiding thanks to Animal Control). Although, technically, nothing prevents Vyctar from ignoring Hornet and using Snake grasp on Sabre; but I hope for his natural reaction where he deals with the 'bug' stabbing at him from a close range.

As for Sun Fox, I'd let her deal with the Scythe, so we finish with Vyctar's attack-at-any-range ability.

Swift, can't think of any smart trick to pull, right now, so a normal attack will be probably best - after all, we do eventually need to wear down Vyctar's END to zero. :)

Just checking something...

I wonder what...

Sure, the Sommerswerd has to be gone for at some point.

So if that's a consensus, a little help just in case people ;)

Also, would anyone like the plus 3 roll? Going to a good home!
This message was last edited by the player at 23:03, Wed 23 Mar 2016.

As Sabre Fox said, having confirmations would help; I think everybody gave me a plan, but they're all coached as hypotetical, whereas I'd like something more definitive. I'm also not sure I've had imputs for all the NPCs, and I think a few rolls are missing.

Also, as Sabre Fox said, if one of you wants his +3, you're allowed to get it - but the decision on who receives it will be entirely up to him.

Where does the +3 come from?
EDIT: Ah ok, looked back and spotted that :)

Anyways, if no-one else wants it, I only rolled 4 for Swift's attack :(
She can only do 1 damage max though, so if there's someone else who can hit him harder, I'd say make them the priority.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:45, Thu 24 Mar 2016.

I think all my hypotheticals were 'if this attack gets to hit' weren't they? I know that is acceptable for the +4 bonus we got from the 25,000 posts. Is it also acceptable for the sun burst, or do I have to gamble the SPs on the attack? I mean I will nomintae the sun burst as a special attack this round

I don't think I can help Sabre this round (certainly I can't risk any mental assaultswihtout us all possibly losing one of the four effects being generated right now). I could try to pull focus againto have my move negated, but since Sun Snake is in a position to do a ton of damage if he's not negated, and that damage will draw focus for Vyctar's negates or offenses for other turns, it's probably better to not throw that away this turn?



In relation to that, if Sabre Fox's +3 bonus can be used for Sun Snake's attack, and no one has rolled low, I'd happily take it to sabe my own +4 bonus for later (and that means I won't waste the +1 to disciplines on the axe this turn, and get to use it to make a +4 bonus anyway).




Oh, I will be busy this easter weekend, but I don't think that will affect anything right now. Just as a warning if I don't reply for a day here or there :)


Edit: Yeah, if Sun Snake isn't negated he's currently able to do 10 damage this turn.

The Sun Burst is different in that you're trying to attack, Sun Snake - it's much like attempting a disarm in that it's a skill your character is choosing to use, not a bonus you the player are applying to the roll in a disassociated fashion. So yes, if you use that (much like if you used a special ability, or a spell), you need to tell me before knowing how Vyctar will defend himself.

Still, I am pretty sure Vyctar won't be able to stop everything this round, since there's 3 of you who are trying to pull an highly damaging stunts - and I did said he would give precedence to protecting the Sommerswerd, didn't I? So you can count on that.

Ok, I'll try to use the sun burst effect this round. If it connects let me know what I would need to do Invisiblity roll wise to make it seem as if that was the plan, and we really don't care about the Sommerswerd and are happy to use it against Vyctar!

OK, that sounds good. I was wondering whether not to let Sun Fox do some damage this turn, too, but I'll keep to the original plan: i.e. another disarming attempt, this time going for the scythe (hopefully it works and will save us some trouble in the following rounds).

As for Hornet, I'll be attacking Vyctar from up close. What I'd like to try is to "shave" some snakes off of Vyctar's body (cutting along the plane where snakes are attached to the body) and see what happens.
Shadow, that's probably just fluff and it will be a normal attack, won't it? But if it has some special effect and hence will be considered a special action, that's fine, too :)

It's fine as fluff for a normal attack - you coulnd't possibly cut away enough snakes to matter anyway without completely obliterating Vyctar's body, since there's billions of the things.

Which reminds me - if any of you wants to add some fluff suggestion for what you want to do with your combat posts (specific targets which grant no bonuses, badass one-liners you want to shout, anything of the like) I'm more then open to such suggestions - they help make the game feel more alive, and I love that.

Swift could probably spare enough WP to use Mindblast, but I'd assumed a Darklord would be immune to low level psychic attacks anyway.

In reply to Swift Fox (msg # 196):

He has and can use his own Psy-Screen if necessary - he currently isn't because hes tired from his previous psychic fight, but if you mind attack him, he'll use it next turn.

Which means that you do get one turn in which you can psychically attack him free of charge if you want, and then he becomes immune. That said, I think I should point out that, should he raise his Psy-Screen, the benefit of the Mind-Link would stop working, since a portion of the advantage it grants comes from Sun Snake's reading Vyctar's intention and forwarding that understanding to you all as a second set of instincts.

In the end, as with everything, it's your choice! ^_^

Nah, the benefit from the mind link well outweighs any effect Swift could probably have on him.
Sticking with the stabby-pokey for now :)

Yeah, Sun Snake would be trying for more sneaky things - still, maybe for a last push it would be worth the risk.

And besides, since Vyctar knows Sun Snake has mental abilities, Snake pointing out he's apparently not using them on Vyctar might carry some weight to the whole 'the Nadziranim is still in your mind' bluff Snake's going to be trying to run for the next several rounds :D

I think the only advantage of using Mindblast would be that Vyctar's Psy-screen would start draining his WP. But yeah - Mind Link bonuses seem a better choice.

@Snake: Make him look for phantoms that aren't there? Sneaky... :)

Yeah, as a continual process through the fight just to add some doubt, we might need a hesitation or an excuse for Sun Snake to use mental powers without it being seem as an external threat before the fight is done!

:) Well, all I can say is that you are really thinking this over, which is good.

I need Vyctar's roll from Sabre Fox, and then I can sum up your decisions and make the battle post.

Has everyone made thier rolls so we can assign the 3?

Rolled 9 for my snake vice lol

Snake will take it unless there is a last minute grab for it?

Unless there is an objection then Snake it is!

No objection on my part.

Happy to go with that :)

So that's what will happen. Here's the sumary of this upcoming turn:

Sun Snake: CS 19, END 23/24, WP: 3/23, SP 10/15
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #4 (regain 2 WP)
- boost gained: Sun Aura (+1 discipline roll, damage treated as sunlight)
- boost gained: Axe Weapon Trick (round 2 of 5, unused)
- boost gained: Sabre Fox is helping (+3 to roll)
- Sun Blast attack: roll 0 (6 +1 +3), +1 CS, +4 dmg, -10 SP -2 WP

Dawn Sword: CS 15, END 20/24, WP 12/12
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #2 (+1 to rolls)
- boost gained: Sword Weapon Trick (round 2 of 5, unusued)
- normal attack: roll 8 (7 +1)

Water Hornet: CS 23, END 23/29, WP 8/18
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #2 (+1 to rolls)
- boost gained: Short Sword weapon trick (-2 dmg rec)
- boost gained: Snake Understanding (luck roll can avoid snake entrapment)
- boost triggered: Turtleshell Buckler (-2 dmg rec on roll of 3 or less)
- normal attack: roll 3 (2 +1)

Sun Fox: CS 25, END 18/28, WP 11/26
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #2 (+1 to rolls)
- boost activated: Broadsword Weapon Trick (+1 dmg)
- special action: tail disarm, roll 7 (6 +1), -2 WP

Sabre Fox: CS 27, END 28/34, WP 12/25
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #1 (reroll when getting 1)
- boost activated: Dual Wielding (round 2 of 5, remaining rolls: 5,9)
- special action: sommerswerd disarm, roll 0, -2 WP

Swift Fox: CS 19, END 27/30, WP 24/48
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #1 (reroll when getting 1)
- boost gained: Dagger Weapon Trick (-2 dmg rec)
- normal attack: roll 4

Silver Raven: CS 18, END 25/31, WP 19/25
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #1 (reroll when getting 1)
- boost gained: Sword Weapon Trick (round 2 of 5, unused)
- boost gained: Counterspell (ready, unused)
- normal attack: roll 0

Vyctar: CS 45, END 47/50, WP 30/30
- boosts: you know them all already
- snake grasp attempt: roll 9 (fail)

I must say, Silver Raven is proving himself quite badass, isn't he? Rolling a 9 and 0 in sequence is pretty impressive.

If this looks alright to all of you, I'll write up the upcoming post; again, keep in mind that your total values at the top (END, WP, SP) are before your actions for the round are tallied in - but, as you can see, they include the changes you made last turn.

Water Hornet CS is higher because - as he correctly pointed out - I'd forgotten the +3 he gets for having Animal Control. Doesn't changes a thing, but he's right that he's entiled to having it, hence why now it's there.

Yes, on to the (result of the) second round! :)

And I was mainly joking about WH's CS - it's so far from Vyctar's CS 45 that there's no difference, as we've discussed. But thanks for adding it, nonetheless ^_^

Also, as a side question: Vyctar's Snake Grasp is a luck roll (since it is counted as a fail on the roll of 9)?

Vyctar doesn't win on high rolls - he wins on low ones. To be precise, his attempts will succeed if he rolls 4 or less, since those are the results on the table where he inflicts damage without taking any.

I didn't want to confuse things by having rolls of 9 or 0 occasionally be bad for you, so I decided it made more sense to have Vyctar's successes be on the low rolls; if you roll high, then things are going well for you, the player, and if you roll low, things are going well for your enemies. I just stuck to that.

Aha, thanks for the clarification. I was quite nervous when noticed Sabre rolled 9 on behalf of Vyctar. ;) :D

Looks alright to me

Seems cool :)

Yay for the damage dealt! :)

And I just realized I wasted two rounds with WH in which I could've tried to use the Starfield Warhammer to attack Vyctar's equipment (OK, with those rolls I would've failed anyway, but still... :) ).

Shadow, how long would switching from the Turtle Rapier to the Starfield Warhammer take - a round (if at all possible)?
Could its ability to destroy armour/equipment be used against Vyctar's Hammer shield? (if not breaking it, perhaps just knock it out of Vyctar's grasp?)

Also, we'd have to decide what to attack with it, then - since robbing Vyctar of the shield would also mean more danger to us (the insta-kills would have no chance on being nullified from Vyctar's side).
On that note, could the warhammer be used against weapons, too? Like his magical swords; or it can only be used strictly against armour and shields?

Swift's Kagonite Arrow may be able to break the shield too.  As it did to the High Priest's shield before (although that might have been because the shield itself had a magical effect that drew projectiles into it, so in a way it destroyed itself).

If I can shoot the arrow right through the shield and hit Vyctar, even better, since the arrow is magical in nature :)
Especially if Swift deliberately drew his attention to the fact she was shooting at him, so he would try to block it with the shield (unless he suspected the effect of course, then he'd probably just dodge it instead).

Either that, or Swift could take this chance to pull out a Sun Shard for Snake to set off?
I'll leave that up to Sun Snake, since he's the one carrying their power source :)

If anyone can destroy equipment though, I'd definitely recommend targeting the lightning sword.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:52, Mon 28 Mar 2016.

The idea was maybe to ditch the axe behind snake near swift for sun shard reasons while tanking focus

Will ask shadow about it tomorrow when i can actually present a plan

Changing equipment (dropping one of two wielded weapons to pull out a shield, dropping a short sword to pull out the warhammer, dropping a dagger and shield to pull out a bow, etc.) requires the character to spend 1 turn on it - so during that turn they do no damage (but if they're involved in melee, they still take it).

Keep in mind, if you drop the rapier for the warhammer, you'll be losing the Short Sword Weaponskil bonus of -2 Damage Received - you might want to factor that into your decision.

Assuming you roll well enough, you can do it, although that'll inflict no damage to Vyctar at all. And I ought to point out that normally targeting attacks need the user to have Weaponsmastery in that particular weapon - the warhammer's effect is what allows it to be used for that purpose even by somebody without Weaponsmasery in it.

That's so by design, yes - you make sure none of your attacks are nullified, but you lose your cushion against one-hit-kills. It's a tactical choice over which of the two you think it's better to have active.


Assuming you can pull out the bow and fire without being interrupted, a roll of 9 would destroy the shield and a roll of 0 would see you break through it to damage Vyctar (3 END as a magical weapon). If you roll 0 the arrow will be retrievable by going to get it, if you roll 9 you'll need to wait until the battle ends.



Vyctar's sword is protected from being destroyed by having the "magically unbreakable" property, so it cannot be destroyed by any means. Other equipment though, like his shield or the dagger in his other hand (or previously the whip) is fair game.


If you drop the axe, the Sun Aura will turn off, and also, you can't currently use Sun Burst with it because you used all of your sun points in that blast - you first need to expose the Axe to sunlight for one hour to make it recover some, or spend 1 WP while it is hit by sunlight to make it recover a bit. It's all in the Sun Pool description.

As it is now, the Sun Aura is still running on the 1 SP you spent on it at the beginning of the battle, so as long as you keep wielding it, you have three more turns of it being wrapped in sun power.
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:48, Mon 28 Mar 2016.

Not too confident of rolling a 9 or 0 on demand, so doubt I'll try that then.

What would I need to shoot through the core though?  I know the Kagonite Arrow can't kill him, but would punching a hole through the core affect him in any way, apart from 3 END damage?

Or how about shooting him in the head?
Though I think that would be more of a symbolic attack along the lines of injury + insult, since his head seems to be the only remaining part of his old human form, rather than looking for any special effect with that :)
This message was last edited by the player at 18:23, Mon 28 Mar 2016.

If you manage to hit the core, the arrow will not be able to pierce it, instead getting lodged into the structure and remain there until Vyctar dies or rips it out. Otherwise, if you hit Vyctar, yes, all the arrow will do is inflict 3 damage - although hitting just Vyctar's body is considerably easier than hittng as small a target as the shield.

And yes, damaging the head is mostly just a symbolic thing, with no really great benefits - he has lone wolf eyes on his chest to see with while the head regenerates, and while using his mouth to speak is easier, the Nadziranim already demonstrated how using the many snakes as a replacement is possible, with said snakes also being the main means he uses to perceive the world as a whole.

By the way, Swift Fox, you realize that inflicting 3 END of damage isn't a bad thing, yes? It's not as good as using the Sun Shard or getting creative in outmanouvering him, true, but it's still better than hitting with a normal weapon for only 1 END, which itself is better than not hitting at all. Just saying. :)

I know.  But it wouldn't be Swift Fox style if she wasn't looking to damage him in some way he wasn't expecting.  She lives for breaking unbreakable defences and wiping the smiles off the faces of confident enemies ;)
(Though Sun Snake seems better equipped to do that last one here.  Nice shot there!) :)

Anyways, might go for a head or body shot and avoid getting the arrow jammed in the core.  Too much possibility of it getting destroyed in the battle there.

As before though, if anyone wants to include Swift's abilities in their tactics, feel free to let her know :)
This message was last edited by the player at 19:13, Mon 28 Mar 2016.

Sun snake won't get to do that again for a while, but using a sun shard will hurt vyctar and keep momentum that we don' t need the sommerswerd, which might let sabre / sun fox snag the sommerswerd.

Did vordak gems need the sum burst not just light? Would have added so much damage if i'd remembered

And the axe extinguishes if not held? That's annoying. Can psi-surge / weaponmastery be used to keep the connection going?

The Vordak Gems need to be transformed by the Kai Pyramid and will unleash the sun power upon transforming just fine - it's the already used Sun Shards who need the Sun Burst ability to be refilled. On the other hand, the flash of light from a Sun Shard can be used to recharge the Kai Hand-Axe's Sun Pool by paying WP, as it's written in the desctiption.

As for the Sun Aura, it works by taking the light energy inside itself and attuning it to a Kai wielder - which means it only works while it's been wielded, intuitively enough. It would hold for a moment if you were to be using Weaponsmastery to throw the axe, but if you let go of it so that somebody else can use it, then it's that somebody else who's wielding it, not you. And if you dropped it to the ground, then you've stopped wielding it too. It's a weapon, it only works if you're actively using it to fight something.

The Sun Pendant that Swift is wearing can turn a Vordak Gem to a Sun Shard and discharge it in a Sun Flash at the same time.
Each flash will smack Vyctar with 5 sun damage, as well as healing each of us with 5 END and WP.

They need a source of sunlight to recharge them again after that or they're nothing more than shiny pretty rocks.

There is a down side, but it'll mostly be Swift's problem...

Yeah, I know - there's a lot of options, each with its pros and cons... As usually: decisions and their consequences... ;)


That'd be great - like anything else that can be done with any other 'Sun arsenal' at our disposal (sorry, I'm a bit lost among all those sun-powered shinies and their effects, but as long as you, Swift/Snake/Sabre, know, I'm happy :) )


That's something Shadow has pointed out several times (some info was only available to some *cough* Hornet *cough* characters) - I'm now wondering:
if Sun Fox uses Flaming Blade Battle Magic spell and then Fire Dominion to control the flames - could she then wrap Vyctar's body in flames? The aim of such thing would be to "blind" and "deafen" the snakes and thus allow a sneak attack against him; Swift (or anyone else), do we have a sneak attack up our sleeves for such an opportunity (if it gets allowed)? ^_^

Well Swift's sneak attack is that one-shot instakill special ability she's been using for the whole game.
Obviously it can't kill Vyctar though, so would most likely just count as a 3 END magical damage attack.

If it is possible to completely blind all of his senses though, it's probably worth doing.  Make it harder for him to hit us, and maybe easier to get the Sommerswerd off him too.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:29, Mon 28 Mar 2016.

Wether such a maneuver (setting Vyctar on fire to reduce his perceptions) will work or not really depends on how you go about it; keep in mind that Vytar's main sense using the snakes isn't sight or smell, it's taste. Why would his own self being on fire change the taste of the room?

Depends on whether the fire was damaging enough to kill the snakes maybe.
Though I'm not too sure if the snakes are actually a part of his body (for the purposes of sharing his damage resistance) or separate creatures that are kind of symbiotically bonded to his body.

Anyways, thinking that if no-one needs Swift to do anything in particular this round, I'll have her use one of the gems to make a sun flash.
Up to you guys if you need her to hold off from playing that particular card for now...

In reply to Swift Fox (msg # 227):

The snakes are part of his body, not separate creatures. Meaning they too benefit from his Darklord defenses, and that they do not think on their own, they're just like additional limbs Vyctar can make use of as needed.

I'd vote for sun blast this round. If Silver Raven can do one next round, or if we can engineer some big damage / cool effect next round to that would be good to keep the pressure on Vyctar.

Oh, and hopefully by doing this we might actually start engineering a lowering of Vyctar's defenses regarding the Sommerswerd. I'll post a quick charcter update to start that off, even though I don't fully have Sun Snake's actual actions ready to go yet.

Do I have to give up an action to recharge the axe?

In reply to Sun Snake (msg # 230):

No, jut paying the amount of WP you want to use on recharging it will suffice, assuming a source of sunlight shows up.

Hmm, so we have an interesting opportunity here this round.


Sun Snake's pulled focus and perhaps made Vyctar realise he's vulnerable to other things. If Swift Fox unleashes a sun shard this round, then that further cements the idea that we're all potentially dangerous.

Also, now only three people need to melee attack Vyctar, and the rest can do stuff :)


So if this round Sabre / Sun Fox can do something to start building up bonuses for a new attempt on the Sommerswerd in round 4, maybe with Water Hornet helping, then this could go well for us.

Sun Fox seems the likely candidate for a bluff - she clearly had an affinity for the blade for Sabre Fox took it, and of course we've been pulling such focus that it's hide her. So Vyctar might spot that pattern, especially since she is one of the most skilled warriors and Vyctar should spot that.

So that would leave Sabre Fox perhaps de-prioritised as someone who would actually go for the Sommerswerd again.

I presume Sabre Fox and not Sun Fox is a better recipient of the Sommerswerd? I forget all the bonuses each of you have, but I do recall Sabre Fox has a floating critical to use up before round 5.


Sun Snake and Dawn Sword can take two of the melee slots this round, leaving only one last one needing filled (to make sure we don't have Vyctar interrupting someone with a melee attack).

A critical you say Snake? Look who rolled another 9 ;)

Sadly you have to take my word until Shadow confirms it since I managed to roll it secretly :/ so that's definitely another attempt at the Sommerswerd for Fox

Incidentally, I could make that a ten with the ring effect. Would that be better Shadow

The only way Sun Snake isn't drawing the negate effect this turn is if someone else is about to die, so I think a Sommerswerd grab is going to have more chance. And the dice roller loves us right now, which makes me scared for later! 5% chances of death let's not forget!


I would definitely suggest Sun Fox trying to buy some additional support, as I said maybe have it seem as if we're drawing focus away from her.

Plus just Sabre Fox can use Swift Fox's sun effect as a cover too.

That reminds me, was the previous blast not our stat heal? Or is that next round? lol

This round coming up should be the stat heal.

You can most certainly use Haxadrom's ring to turn a 9 into a 0 if you wish it, Sabre Fox, since you haven't used it in this game day yet. Of course, you'd be losing your ability to use it to get out of a 2, but that's up to you.

As for who's better between Sun Fox and Sabre Fox as the Sommerswerd's wielder, I think that Sun Fox gets an higher damage bonus than Sabre Fox, but considering this is the Sommerswerd we're speaking with, it shouldn't particularly matter, since it would be adding +10 damage to every attack by itself. Although it is worth nothing that Sun Fox's broadsword isn't magical the way Sabre Fox's swords are, it's just as important to notice that neither of them is being using their battle magic at all, which matters because flaming blade would make any weapon wrapped into it magical, alongside adding a great deal of damage which currently is ignored due to the cap to received damage in Vyctar's defenses.

So Flaming Blade would ignore his damage cap? Think I may have to turn it on if so lol

No, you misunderstood me, Sabre Fox - Flaming Blade doesn't ignore the damage cap, but it would turn a non-magical weapon (like, say, Sun Fox's boradsword) into a magical one, due to it being wrapped into magical flames.

But as I said, that's all pretty irrelevant on the matter of who's the better wielder of the sommerswerd, because the sommerswerd is broken (purposefully so).

So, peaople, are you planning on doing something? :)

Yeah, I understand; I just thought having snakes engulfed in fire would prevent them from tasting the surroundings effectively - with all the rapid oxidation taking place, I thought that "licking the air" (collecting airborne particles for taste examination) would be pretty hard.
Anyway, it seems Snake grasp and Snake perception aren't the worst abilities we have to deal with, at this moment. I'm quite worried about the Right-handed magic, for the use of which Vyctar still has his full WP pool. o.O

More to the point, though:
I think of making Sun Fox feint she's going for the Sommerswerd, as Sun Snake suggested - hopefully, that draws focus away from Sabre, again.

Regarding Water Hornet, I was deciding between pulling out to re-equip the Warhammer and just attacking Vyctar openly, and am leaning towards making a standard attack (to draw focus and keep him occuppied).
Another option would be to use a Nexus push against Vyctar to throw him off balance, but I'd save this for later, when we have a clearer idea of where we want to get Vyctar with the push.

Silver Raven can possibly counteract his Right-Handed Magic, while Swift can also possibly reflect it back at him.
Not too sure if those defences will affect attacks aimed at the others though...

In reply to Swift Fox (msg # 242):

Well, you will need to just wait and see about that one. :)

You will need to be more detailed here: is Sun Fox going to make a normal attack, pretending it's a disarm? Is she actually making the attempt? Is she doing something else? Is she not attacking and instead doing something that only look like an attack, and if so, exactly what? I need details, if I am to paint a correct picture of what is going to happen.

As for setting him on fire, I never said it would not help - just that there's very many snakes on his body (billions wasn't an hyperbole, it's an accurate estimate), so it'll take something really exceptional to completely incapacitate that sense.

Well Dawn Sword and Sun Snake will make attacks on Vyctar, so only need one more willing combatant to ensure he doesn't pick an unwilling one :D

Well I've rolled well for going for the Sommerswerd again so I don't see why two people going for it would hurt

I will be - I'll post specifics in a few hours.

@Sabre: Actually, I'll let Sun Fox only pretend she's going for the Sommerswerd, while executing a normal attack in fact. (unless you object)

Yay, a good roll for Water Hornet :)

Let's see where this all leads to; Shadow, if anything needs more description/less action in one turn (^_^) just say.

Flaming Sword is a boost, so no problem on that front. While asking is never bad and I'll always answer, it's a useful rule of thumb that something which lasts five rounds once activated or is a passive effect which is triggered at an appropriate time, then it's likely a boost, while if something takes a specific action and adress a single turn, or requiring a roll, then it's likely an active ability. Excpetions exists, of course, which is why asking is never bad, but using that as a rule of thumb should suffice.

I also believe I have everybody's actions, so I'll probably post an updated list of what to expect for this round either later tonight or tomorrow morning, which means I expect the main game update post should be up by tomorrow evening unless any of you has a change of mind on what you want to do.

Turn Summary:

Sun Snake: CS 19, END 23/24, WP: 3/23, SP 0/15
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #4 (regain 2 WP)
- boost gained: Sun Aura (+1 discipline roll, damage treated as sunlight)
- boost gained: Axe Weapon Trick (round 3 of 5, unused)
- boost triggered: Sunlight Pool refill (15 SP) -5 WP
- normal attack: roll 0 (9+1)

Dawn Sword: CS 15, END 16/24, WP 12/12
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #2 (+1 to rolls)
- boost gained: Sword Weapon Trick (round 3 of 5, unusued)
- normal attack: roll 6 (5 +1)

Water Hornet: CS 23, END 19/29, WP 8/18
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #2 (+1 to rolls)
- boost gained: Short Sword weapon trick (-2 dmg rec)
- boost gained: Snake Understanding (luck roll can avoid snake entrapment)
- normal attack: roll 0

Sun Fox: CS 25, END 13/28, WP 11/26
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #2 (+1 to rolls)
- boost gained: Broadsword Weapon Trick (+1 dmg)
- boost activated: Flaming Blade (+2 dmg), -4 WP
- normal attack: roll 7 (6 +1)

Sabre Fox: CS 27, END 28/34, WP 10/25
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #1 (reroll when getting 1)
- boost activated: Dual Wielding (round 3 of 5, remaining rolls: 5,9)
- special action: sommerswerd disarm, roll 9, -2 WP

Swift Fox: CS 19, END 21/30, WP 24/48
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #1 (reroll when getting 1)
- boost gained: Dagger Weapon Trick (-2 dmg rec)
- special action: turn a Vordak Gem into a Sun Shard (no roll needed) -4 WP

Silver Raven: CS 18, END 25/31, WP 19/25
- boost gained: Mind Link, effect #1 (reroll when getting 1)
- boost gained: Sword Weapon Trick (round 3 of 5, unused)
- boost triggered: Counterspell
- normal attack: roll 2, good luck (8)

Vyctar: CS 45, END 34/50, WP 30/30
- boosts: should be obvious by now
- spell cast: Mind Possession (vs Sun Snake), -7 WP

Assuming nobody has any qualms with this, I'm off to write the main game update.
This message was last edited by the GM at 12:17, Sat 02 Apr 2016.

Seems right, I'm a bit worried about Vyctar's move though.

I'm sure you have nothing to worry about! What's the worse that could happen? ^_^

You'd let me the player act for Vyctar next turn? >:D

How would that be worse?

Well hopefully we won't have to find out :)

Mmm, I've just re-read the Vyctar's abilities/boosts list and right-handed magic spell list...well, there's a couple of things that could go wrong for us! :-P :-D

BTW, I have missed the Suicide Bone-Breaking attack spell previously - now, I don't want to imagine how that would look like if Vyctar, whose body is made of metal/kagonite/stuff, exploded (but maybe he can't use it on himself since he's kind of invincible...?). :)

@Snake: No, we need you on our side. At least, for now ;) :D
This message was last edited by the player at 11:54, Sat 02 Apr 2016.

ooo, does this mean Swift will finally have an excuse to stab Sun Snake? ;)  hehe.

If you read, you might also notice that Silver Raven has a "boost triggered: Counterspell" line in that summary, Swift Fox... so I guess Raven will keep Swift from having to stab her way through Snake. ^_^

Unless, of course, you want to say that Raven won't counterspell Vyctar? You can do that, if you want - you're the one in control of Raven after all, I was just having him act accoding to your previous intention to stop Vyctar's spell from getting through regardless of who they're targeting.

Ah ok.  Wasn't sure if that affected others, or only stopped spells aimed at Raven himself.
Oh well, may as well play friendly for now ;)

That's nice to hear. :)

Ok, so it might be a little bit risky, but how about - since we have this shiny mind link - everyone with Nexus co-ordinates a strike at Vyctar at the same time to push him back away form the Sommerswerd?

Sun Snake has been deliberately trying not to use mental attacks on Vyctar as it will force Vyctar to break the link. However, it might be worth the risk to attempt a Psychic Stun for a round to make Vyctar vulnerable enough to actually be lifted by four Nexus pushes?

I'll try to figure out a way to disguise the attack as being 'the nadziranim', and also try to use all the previous planning to make a decent go of the strike itself.


Also, I think I can try to have Sun Snake pull focus - and feint going for the Sommerswerd, flaring off the Kai Axe - to perhaps discuise Swift Fox going for the sword (she's the only other person with Invisibility that might be able to do a snatch and grab if the rest of us can push him back)

I think Silver Raven and Dawn Sword can pull back this turn to recover, epsecially if the stun and nexus work and maybe stop Vyctar from attacking this turn.


What do you all think?

Except Invisibility doesn't work on this guy...

Was thinking of having Swift go for the sword, since she could maybe use an acrobatic ninja-style Huntmastery trick to get to it without getting skewered or chewed on by snakes in the attempt.
She doesn't really have skill with swords, but could maybe kick it away from Vyctar to make it easier for someone else to grab it at least.

Invisibility to hide no, but perhaps combining Huntmastery and Invisibility can put him wrong footed and let you get in and out easily?


I think at +8 to damage and all damage being normal damage being skilled with the sword isn't necessary.

I reckon our best bet is to try and pass it around anyway, so that no matter where Vyctar tries to block, someone else is making a new attack.

Also, Sun Snake and Swift Fox do have ways to keep the damage pressure on while Vycyar is 'distracted' with the Sommerswerd.


I was thinking of having Sun Snake do a sun burst without hope of hitting simply to pull focus this round - will that help Swift Fox set up for another Sun Shard at some point?

Not sure.  I think she has to be actually holding a shard in order for the axe to recharge it, and to do that, she either has to put away her shield or go in unarmed.

Out of curiosity, is Mind over Matter (possibly adding to the effort with the Wind Scarf) strong enough to pull or push the Sommerswerd around?
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Considering those, Swift Fox, I think it should answer your question, but to spell it out, it is indeed possible to use either one of Mind over Matter and Nexus to move the sword around, although neither of the two options will be automatically successful and each one will have sme difficulties associated with it.

Also, if any of you was curious, now that it's available, here's the Sommerswerd stats:

Sommerswerd

- Adds +5 to all inflicted damage (double this bonus VS undead or similarly dark-powered creatures, like Darklords)

- Adds +7 to all Sixth Sense/Divination rolls

- Magically unbreakable

- Can be used as Short Sword, Sword or Broadsword for any purpose

- Can drain/absorb/reflect magic aimed at the wielder (varies depending on spell)

- Can absorb the sun's power at dawn (effect varies)

- Is always sensed by all creatures with any perceptivity toward magic


And lastly, since you've done great this latest few turns, my favoured soundtrack for heroic epic comebacks - I know it's just an anime power theme song, but I really love it, and it seems appropriate to your currenc circumstances.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2w-49TM6ilE

Keep up the strategizing and try to get the most out of what you have availabe - if you give it your all, I'm sure you'll find your path toward victory! ^_^

Definitely thinking of going for the Sommerswerd now...

As much as I'd hate to steal Sabre's thunder, it would definitely let Swift do more than 1 damage with regular attacks here and maybe start contributing something more to the battle than just holding up Sun Shards for Snake to light up.  :)

Up to the others if they'd rather discourage my little power trip for tactical purposes...

Yeah, I think discussing things with all four of you before coming to a finalized battle plan is a good idea - the more of you there are, the easier it will be for you to spot the weaknesses of any plan you came up with.

Well, I'll leave it up to our master strategist (*pokes Sun Snake*) whether Swift should try and grab the Sommerswerd and get stabby with that, or try and get it away from Vyctar for someone else to pick up.
Either way, just confirmed she can hold a Sun Shard at the same time.

Water Hornet and Sabre Fox are equally vocal :p I suggested Swift Fox use it first since the others are Nexus users and I think psychic stun / Nexus might be the way to actually get the sword cleanly. Pushing it around might be less useful than just picking it up if the opportunity can be created.

I definitely think passing it around is the order of the day - perhaps easier between the three huntmastery people, especially if two of them have weaponmastery two and perhaps facilitate moving it around.


See what everyone else thinks.... Sun Shards seem a good idea though!

Yeah, as Swift Fox said, holding a Sun Shard doesn't occupies your hand particularly unless you're using that hand to actually swing a weapon - if your hand is free or holds a shield, carrying a single Sun Shard in it is fine. Sun Shards are not that big, in fact they're smaller than a chicken's egg (and considerably sturdier).

And about your idea of "passing the sword around", Sun Snake, I think I should point out that doing so would require the person doing it to renounce their turn to make the hunting roll for throwing it through the air. Letting it stick to one person would likely give you a better damage outpt (even if the Sommerswerd were to be blocked every round) simply because everybody is attacking instead of one person not attacking so they can throw the sword around.

Plus, as I said, Mind over Matter or Nexus pushing the sword both can work, just like your ideas of Nexus pushing Vyctar or stunning him all can work; they're all just different challenges which would require different approaches and push the developments of the battle in a different direction.

Well, maybe multiple people going for it will be harder for him to defend against, particularly if he doesn't know if some of those are just decoys/feints like Sun Fox's trick in the last round.
He'd have to assume each one was actually going for the sword and try to turn them all away.

Even easier if his Right-Handed Magic allows him to use some kind of area-effect attack, but Raven dispels it again, meaning his concentration is wasted and distracted for the time it takes to cast that.
Then again, I think he probably knows full well he can't rely on his magic to gain an edge now...

Ahh, interesting to see the stats. And nice music, btw :)

I don't know who'd be a better wielder of the Sommerswerd between Swift and Sabre - I'm OK with both options. :) But it does seem like a better distribution if Swift takes it: Sabre + Vigilance, Swift + Sommerswerd, Sun Fox + her Broadsword (Flaming Blade applied).

As for Vyctar, Nexus push is definitely a primary option. But I was also wondering if we could somehow capitalize on the fact that Vyctar is no longer protected by the Sommerswerd's "shield its wielder from magic" ability. Pity, he still has "lighting rod" sword (protecting him from any electricity based damage).
WH has a Ruby Ring that can shoot small fireballs - but unfortunately it's pocketed, as I've just checked :/ And we can't use Lightning Hand (both from Silver Raven or Sun Fox's Scimitar).

EDIT:
We probably want to use MoM to pull the Sommerswerd towards (one of) us, while using Nexus push (by all others to whom it's available) on Vyctar...?
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Sounds like an idea. How does everyone feel about Sun Snake risking the mental link to try and stun Vycyar. I know will plays a part in the chances of stunning, so it might not work anyway. Just as while Sun Snake will try to disguise the source, it may well be as simple as 'if a mental attack happens Vyctar will raise defenses'

We have been exceptionally lucky with our rolls and criticals for the last few rounds, which is why the battle has been going so well! I'm not sure about how bad things could get without all the buffers. But I'm willing to risk it to be certain we get the sword cleanly this round.


I believe the +10 damage is more important than any other aspect of weilding the Sommerswerd, so I don't think it will be too punishing to have anyone wield it. This includes Water Hornet, since I believe WH gets a turtling up bonus to damage reduction with a short sword and shield? An extra point or two of damage for actual wepaonmastery might be important, but I think it will be simply 2 - 3 rounds of combat no matter what.

Any creative use of magic may be a good idea too :)

Actually, I quite like the Mind Link bonus and would be careful about gambling it for something else... :) On the other hand I completely agree that getting the Sommerswerd now (but not necessarily in the very next round) should be our top priority and we should try anything that could help with the task. :) Unless we find a way how to use the Sommerswerd as a bait and surprise Vyctar with a completely unexpected move - but I doubt there's anything else that would get us in a better position (than grabbing the Sun-sword).

In short: I'm worried about losing the bonus but let's try it, if it helps us. :)

Letting WH take the Sommerswerd is an interesting idea :) You're right that the Weaponskill's effect (Short Sword + Shield: -3CS, -2 received dmg) would not detract anything since it's about CS and the Somsw is about damage...but I think we should strive to kill Vyctar as quickly as possible, because letting him live any additional round means he's able to pull some dirty tricks (summon Pseudo-Crypt Spawn, regenerate END, ...).

Actually it will definitely sever the link, so I won't do it this round. Let's look at the situation a few rounds from now when Sun Snake has enough WP to maybe do the three round stun (though I imagine that will be different)

As much as I like saying Foxy should take the Sommerswerd....... Seriously you should let him take it

He already has a 9 ready to go to take it, and we know full well in combat the dice roller really works in his favour ;)

While it's true that your combat rolls tends toward the awesome, Sabre Fox, it really ought to be pointed out that, with the Sommerswerd, good rolls are actually not all that useful. The sword itself would be doing more damage than the roll anyway, and since some of you have their damaged capped at 1, whereas you have it at 3, it might actually be more useful in the hand of a less powerful combatant who could use it to make up for their shortcomings, rather than being used to make the group's super-combatant even more super.

Of course, your point has its value too - the stronger the combatant, the longer they'll last, which means more rounds of Sommerswerd damage - but I wanted to make it clear that your perspective is not the only one which would work well. :)

Now since Nexus might be a bit tasking on the group. Could a Huntmastery sprint to the sword and a Strength induced shove to push Vyctar out of the way reach it?

Just throwing suggestions out there. That way the others can keep attacking to draw his attention

I should probably make it clear that you're likely going to need two maneuvers (hence at least two people, although nothing forbids them both acting in the same round if there's coordination) do get the sword - one for not having Vyctar be above it anymore, the other to actually get the sword.

In your example, a Strenght-powered push on Vyctar might work to move Vyctar from his position over the sword, but the person doing that would not have the ability to grab the sword while focusing on such a task; on the other hand, the acrobatic jump might well be enough to get to the Sommeswerd very quickly and snatch it up, but if vyctar is standing over it, then it's truly not likely to work.

This applies to most of your other plans, by the way - pushing Vyctar away from the sword (or the sword away from Vyctar) with Nexus takes care of separating the two, but not of actually getting hold of the weapon. You need a strategy that takes both obstacles into account if you want to successfully get the Sommerswerd back.

Yeah, we need the getting Vyctar out of the way separate from the actual grab of the Sommerswerd.

I'd also guess that having someone not in his crosshairs also be the one to grab it - hence Swift Fox or Water Hornet as opposed to Sabre Fox, Sun Fox or Sun Snake.


Still, having a guaranteed 9 to use up in the next two rounds, for uncapped damaged, might be a good resource to use.


Will say Water Hornet and Sun Fox pushing with Nexus alone be enough? I forget why I thought we had a fourth user.

Because Frost Ferret has Nexus too, so if he were around, you'd actually have a fourth user. However he currently isn't, so you only sources of Nexus in this battle are Water Hornet, Sabre Fox and Sun Fox.

As I already said, Nexus pushes might well work for moving Vyctar around; having multiple people blasting him with would make such a success more likely.

Oh, we should probably keep in mind the person with the Sommerswerd is most likely to get negated or perhaps even grabbed by Vyctar - so that 9 could just be wasted. It might be that the Sommerswerd just ensures that Sun Snake's axe attack and Swift Fox' shards keep doing damage. And that Sabre's 9 actually gets the chance to be used to score damage.

In that case, Water Hornet with his snake avoiding abilities might have a marginally greater chance of not being snagged (assuming the shield isn't used).


Edit: Hmm, so we're going back to maybe three Nexus blasts to ensure he moves, Swift Fox used MoM to push the Sommerswerd away, and Water Hornet grabs it?

Water Hornet is one of the Nexus users, so we'd either have a Nexus push coming from  two people - Sabre and Sun Fox (allowing WH to grab the Somnerswerd) - or we'd have to wait until another turn. If I'm not mistaken...?

Hence, maybe the following is a better combination:
Water Hornet + Sun Fox: Nexus push on Vyctar
Swift Fox: Mind over Matter on the Sommerswerd to push it towards Sabre
Sabre Fox: Huntmastery enhanced leap to grab the Sommerswerd
(the difference is that Sabre has Huntmastery,so probably a better chance to grab the Sommerswerd in this turn...? If we succeed then perhaps using the Warhammer to rob Vyctar of his shield becomes a viable strategy, too.)

Just a suggestion. We have multiple options - we can do Nexus push in three people (Hornet, Sabre, Sun Fox) and let Dawn Sword grab the Sommerswerd, also. :)

So I'm doing a Mind over Matter push on the Sommerswerd this turn?
Pfft, anyone would think you lot didn't trust Swift with a highly-dangerous god-forged weapon! :)

Silver Raven has skill with swords too, though he's currently on anti-magic duty, and probably prefers his own sword anyway :)
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In reply to Swift Fox (msg # 283):

If you want him to remain on magic negation duty, you probaby want to make him cast counterspell again. Since he just fired off the one he had readied.

Well I've rolled a nice 6 for the next round, so I think that Fox can make a decent attempt at the blade between this round then a guaranteed 9. If I really have to I can have him barge Vyctar with Strength to open the way for someone else

Now I know what you were meaning about the rolls Sabre (the fact the Mind Possession and the target were randomly rolled) I'm glad your rolls are back on the side of good! Well, for now...

So if Sabre is knocking Vyctar out of the way, is a Mind over Matter trick still needed?

Personally I'd go for it all. Vyctar may be distracted seeing Fox coming that he won't expect the Nexus blast that accompanies it

Was pondering attacking Vyctar with Mind over Matter instead of the Sommerswerd actually.
Combining that with all the Nexus attacks aimed at him, maybe we can knock him right through the wall behind him, hehe ;)

I don't think Mind Over Matter can't push large things, it's good at fiddly manipulation I believe. Sommerswerd getting more important!

Nooooo, stop ruining my happy thoughts of inflicting mindless violence! :(

Well if the rest of your are Nexus blasting him, it might not him of balance enough to let Fox give him a big shove back

Yeah, Mind over Matter doesn't work on big things, particularly not something as big as Vyctar is; Nexus pushes only would physically affect him. Using Mind over Matter to drag the Sommerswerd toward you is doable, although it's be a slow process (since Mind over Matter just doesn't have the power Nexus does), and if Vyctar is standing over the sword (which he currently is) then it takes a roll since that's an "attended object".

Shouldering Vyctar out of the way with Strenght, on the other hand, is a perfectly fine way to move him - assuming the attempt to do so succeeds, that is.

Hmmm, in that case (Sabre barging into Vyctar and MoM not fast enough to move the Sommerswerd quickly) should Hornet and Sun Fox Nexus blast Vyctar and let Swift Fox go for the Sommerswerd?

Just asking, but I think we have enough free people (Swift & Dawn Sword) to try getting the Somsw this turn.

The current orders I have regarding Dawn Sword's acton do not involve her going for the Sommerswerd at all. Also, it might be worth pointing out that Dawn Sword is a Kai Doan, not a Magnakai like the rest of you - the only disciplines she has are Weaponskill, Mindscreed and Sixth Sense.

So you want Swift to go for the Sommerswerd this turn?

I want nothing - I merely handle the results. What do you all want?

Well I'm just waiting to see if the others want me to do anything in particular before I post my move...  (o.o)'

My original suggestion was having three sources of attack - Water Hornet, Sun Fox, and Sabre Fox - with Sun Snake trying to pull focus as a distraction and Swift Fox grabbing the sword somehow.

The other two NPCs - Silver Raven and Dawn Sword - should probably stay back, in terms of damage they have taken, and for Silver Raven that useful counterspell ability! :)


I'm happy with any other arrangement. Dawn Sword tanked for a turn or two, but she can do just as much damage with arrows from the back as with her sword. And she can run forwards later on if needed.

Yep, that's what I would suggest. Since Snake is acting as a distraction and Sabre is casting Strength and barging into Vyctar, we have two Nexus users - Water Hornet and Sun Fox - and Swift Fox 'free'. Thus, I think we should use double Nexus push on Vyctar. And consequently that leaves Swift to grab the Sommerswerd.

But if you, Swift, had other plans regarding your actions, then feel free to say so/act as you wish. But then I'll just have Hornet go for the Sommerswerd, because I think we have to try getting it this turn.

The only thing we should probably watch out for is the possibility of Vyctar using Crypt Spawn or the shield or something else to try and negate the Sommerswerd from being used from now on.

So the more we can capitalise on his focus to do secondary damage, the better.

Another reason to have Swift Fox with the sword is she might be able to use Huntmastery to keep out of Vyctar's way long enough to maybe charge it up with sunlight? I'm not sure if we can one shot Vyctar with a sun burst form the Sommerswerd, but it would be soooo good if we could :D

Swift can't use Nexus.  She can use a wind blast effect that mimics it to some extent, though is much weaker in comparison.  (She used it earlier against the rolling tree that almost flattened Sun Fox in the forest when we fought the Skryza).

Also we can't charge the Sommerswerd down here.  The Sun Shards and the axe aren't enough for that.
Though maybe Swift and Raven are the only ones who actually know that IC (due to their ability to determine powers of magic items from the craftsmanship skill), not too sure.

Still our best chance to hurt him, even without a one-shot kill though :)
Making my move...

Yeah, we should strive to keep Vyctar under pressure at all times; if we can whittle him down using other weapons as damage dealers and Sommerswerd to draw away his focus, that's just as good a strategy :)

BTW, is it correct to assume that Vyctar lost his dagger by throwing it at Raven? :)

Do we have to make roll for Nexus push? (WH and SF)
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