I never said that! ;-) I learned with THAC0 over 40 years ago! ;-P

I actually learned on the old school AD&D chart system that changed to Thac0.  But it is secong nature now.

I didn't mean you, sorry.  Just that it's one thing that is often heard from these youngsters that DnD 3+ that THACO is too difficult to understand.  I was just welcoming another old timer.

Where I agree that the newer version are simpler to learn is in the standardisation that bonus are always positive and penalties are always negative and rolling high is always good.  The earlier versions have this schizophrenic approach where you have a -2 bonus due to dexterity and a +2 wisdom bonus... low rolls are good for skill checks but high rolls are good for attack rolls...  All second nature as I'm so familiar with the system but madness.  THACO is not the complexity, it's just a convenience tool.  Irregularity of the system is what makes it more complex.

In reply to Torvek Ragdar (msg # 56):

I know you weren't talking about me, just wanted to pick on you a bit. Rolling in 3.x is easier.

Nah, it's the same effort, neither's easier: take the dice in your hand, lift it and roll it on the table. :-)

better than 4x, I can't drink that any more!
I agree with this but...

I can't see what is "too complicated" in +2 to your roll and -2 to your target figure. OR +2 to target figure (so can get under it by more) and +2 to attack rolls meaning can hit a better AC!
;-)

I’ll post first thing tomorrow morning

Corym the Easter bunny!

Welcome aboard!

Migraine today. Post tomorrow.

I know I need to post, I'm on training for the next 3 days, so I should be easily able to post properly then.

Hi everyone. I have really messed up my knee, and it's screwing up a bunch of things. Updates will probably be sketchy for a little while.

What did you do to yourself now boss? Knees are fun! :-( Been there, done that! Torn meniscus and had knee surgery, tore it again. Not sure if I even have any in either knee now. I have trouble walking now and steps are a bitch! I just grit my teeth and curse and keep going now. Take care of yourself, hope if feels better soon.

We're not sure, which is part of the problem. I've been jumping through the hoops to get an MRI all week. Once that happens, we'll have a better idea what's going on.

Sorry, just to be clear?  Are there no other exits to the room to continue further?  Is this a dead end?

Yes, there is one exit, more or less on the opposite wall. Sorry if I wasn't clear about that.

There aren't any secret exits, but there is one obvious one. The mine cart tracks disappear down it.

Ah, that reminds me of something I forgot to add: the mine cart is empty, on the rails, and is prevented from moving by a rock wedged under a wheel. There is a gentle downward slope from where you descended to the exit. I'll post an update so it's all in IC.

IIRC, we've been coming down this area with Corym leading the way sneakily, invisible and checking for traps while Torvek and Krackor follow a bit behind.  We have not specified an exact distance.  I would think that we want to be far enough to allow Corym to sneak but I am not sure how far that would be.  Probably depends on how loud Krackor is.

I’ll post tonight once kids are in bed

In those underground tunnels, I bet they can hear Krackor half a mile away! The sound would travel.

In reply to Yngvar the Mad (msg # 72):

Stealthy as a fox ;-)  On heat, screaming for a mate lol
You're only saying that because he's wearing plate mail lol

Question, why are they 'invisible' in the dark? For something with infravision, they are completely visible! They see the heat source, not the visible PC. The PC's with infravision can see invisible characters just fine.

Invisibility works against all versions of sight. So someone who is invisible cannot be seen by infravision. It doesn't block sound-based location (so if you run into giant bats, they wouldn't have issues).

Okay. . . . ;-)

Don't give him ideas, those Echo Location Liches are hard to get rid of....

Liches, did I say Liches, obviously I meant Leaches ;-)

You survived a phaerimm, I don't know why you'd be afraid of a lich... :D