International Forums.   Posted by Referee.Group: 0
Referee
 GM, 68 posts
Sun 18 Aug 2013
at 15:23
International Forums
Post any public discussions, debate, resolutions, or proposals here.  This doesn't necessarily represent the UN General Assembly (but the UNGC is considered the default international forum...if necessary identify where you are taking things at the start of your post like so /UNSC/).

If you want to bring something up to a vote, I don't really think most players are interested in playing a game of International Law and Legal Research so what you want out of the proposal can be spelled out in plain language and considered to apply as commonly interpreted.

And also noting that nation-states are ultimately sovereign and may ignore any passed proposal short of the application of some sort of coercive force (economic\military).  In this world even Maritime Law is a weaker international institution at this point in time.

In the case of the UNSC anyone may make a proposal for simplicity's sake, and once all the permanent members have voted (Yes, No, Abstain) the issue is closed.  Other states may register their vote (and show the flag on an issue) if desired.
Germany
 player, 31 posts
Tue 20 Aug 2013
at 06:48
Re: International Forums
The world is facing a crisis on unforeseen consequences as major powers seem to risk a war no one may know how can end. Germany has been dragged to it, but (perhaps being somewhat naive) still believes a diplomatic solution to be possible.

Once more, the abuse of the veto power by some of the P5 has stalled any UNSC resolution that could help to this, forcing NATO and Russia to act by thier own to protect the civilian populations in the area.

So, in face of the high danger the present crisis represents for the whole world peace and population, Germany invokes General Assembly Resolution 377 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...embly_Resolution_377) and asks for an Emergency Special Session to urgently discuss the issue and try to put down the tension in the zone. Germany asks other countries arround the world that believe this diplomatic compromise to be possible to join in this request.

Meanwhile, Germany will keep its compromises and its assets are in the zone to enforce the Russian/NATO/Saudi declared no-fly zone.

OOC: I don't want this to bog down the turn resolution, and I expect this to be handled simultaneously with the turn going ahead, as all too often happens to the UN actions.
Germany
 player, 37 posts
Thu 1 May 2014
at 07:21
Re: International Forums
Extract from a speech form the German Ambassador to the UN:

After the launch of ESASS Freude, the first true spaceship, and with all probability more that will be launched in near future, it could be prudent to develop legislation about it before problems arise.

It would be good, for once, to act on a proactive way instead of complaining latter for the lack of this legislation and have to make ad hoc adaptations. Until there is a proper legislation, ESA will use the international laws of the sea, adapting them to space as needed and as well as we can.

This message was last edited by the player at 07:22, Thu 01 May 2014.

Germany
 player, 79 posts
Sat 26 Jul 2014
at 08:54
Re: International Forums
Germany asks for an emegrency meeting of the UNSC to discuss the situation in the Middle East.

Things to be discussed (in order of urgency):

  1. Iran situatin: goal: to take the responsables for MDW using and attack o the Chinese, apparently with the goal to provoke a general war before the IPC, using whatever means are deemed necessary, while avoiding civilian casualtites.
  2. Caliphate/Iraq situation: goal: to support Iraq government and condemn ISIS killing and Human Rights breaks
  3. Iran/kurd situation: goal: to sponsor a referendum for independence in Iranin Kurdistan
  4. Turkey/Kurd situation: goal: to sponsor talks among them (and any arbiter they accept) to resolve once and for all the situation there.

Points 1 and 2 should be voted ASAP, other points as talks advance

This message was last edited by the player at 08:55, Sat 26 July 2014.

UK
 player, 30 posts
Sat 26 Jul 2014
at 09:48
Re: International Forums
Germany:
Germany asks for an emegrency meeting of the UNSC to discuss the situation in the Middle East.

Things to be discussed (in order of urgency):

  1. Iran situatin: goal: to take the responsables for MDW using and attack o the Chinese, apparently with the goal to provoke a general war before the IPC, using whatever means are deemed necessary, while avoiding civilian casualtites.
  2. Caliphate/Iraq situation: goal: to support Iraq government and condemn ISIS killing and Human Rights breaks
  3. Iran/kurd situation: goal: to sponsor a referendum for independence in Iranin Kurdistan
  4. Turkey/Kurd situation: goal: to sponsor talks among them (and any arbiter they accept) to resolve once and for all the situation there.

Points 1 and 2 should be voted ASAP, other points as talks advance


Agreed - UK submits a Proposal to the UNSC along the following line (after the last time round I think its probably best we keep UN stuff short and punchy, so just the highlights)

Resolution on Iran

1 - UNSC authorizes the deployment of forces under the auspices of the UN to compel Iran to surrender its stockpiles of WMDs
2 - This force is further authorized to compel Iran to surrender those responsible for the use of WMDs to the international courts to be tried as war criminals
3 - Recommends that the UN conduct and monitor a referendum on independence from Iran.

Resolution on Unrest in the Middle East:
1 - Requests member nations supply assistance to Iraq and other states to combat the rise in religious extremist militia
2 - Authorizes the deployment of UN peacekeepers to areas as requested by the Governments of the middle east to combat these rebel militias.
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What does everyone think - Andreas are the US and France cool with this?
Japan
 GM, 27 posts
Sat 26 Jul 2014
at 22:05
Re: International Forums
UK:
What does everyone think - Andreas are the US and France cool with this?

GM says:
On USA: check with James, if he does not respond before 27 July, 2200 UTC, USA will follow UKs lead on this.
On France: France will not veto any of this but will not vote yes either.
I decree that unless someone vetoes it, it will pass.
China
 player, 7 posts
Sun 27 Jul 2014
at 13:57
Re: International Forums
UK:
Germany:
Germany asks for an emegrency meeting of the UNSC to discuss the situation in the Middle East.

Things to be discussed (in order of urgency):

  1. Iran situatin: goal: to take the responsables for MDW using and attack o the Chinese, apparently with the goal to provoke a general war before the IPC, using whatever means are deemed necessary, while avoiding civilian casualtites.
  2. Caliphate/Iraq situation: goal: to support Iraq government and condemn ISIS killing and Human Rights breaks
  3. Iran/kurd situation: goal: to sponsor a referendum for independence in Iranin Kurdistan
  4. Turkey/Kurd situation: goal: to sponsor talks among them (and any arbiter they accept) to resolve once and for all the situation there.

Points 1 and 2 should be voted ASAP, other points as talks advance


Agreed - UK submits a Proposal to the UNSC along the following line (after the last time round I think its probably best we keep UN stuff short and punchy, so just the highlights)

Resolution on Iran

1 - UNSC authorizes the deployment of forces under the auspices of the UN to compel Iran to surrender its stockpiles of WMDs
AGEED-Note this is already authorised under a previous UNSC Mandate

2 - This force is further authorized to compel Iran to surrender those responsible for the use of WMDs to the international courts to be tried as war criminals
AGREED.

3 - Recommends that the UN conduct and monitor a referendum on independence from Iran.
AGREED While its on the table do the Balochistan independance referendum as well to prevent another blow up in this region..

Resolution on Unrest in the Middle East:
1 - Requests member nations supply assistance to Iraq and other states to combat the rise in religious extremist militia.
AGREED  Note Chinese expiditionary forces are not in a condition to assist but China can provide observers and humanitarian aid.
2 - Authorizes the deployment of UN peacekeepers to areas as requested by the Governments of the middle east to combat these rebel militias.
AGREED Note Chinese expiditionary forces are not in a condition to assist but China can provide observers and humanitarian aid.

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Japan
 GM, 30 posts
Sun 10 Aug 2014
at 12:07
Re: International Forums
In reply to China (msg # 7):

GM says: Since noone vetoed this Resolution, it passed.

UN asks the UK to coordinate this effort.
UK
 player, 39 posts
Mon 11 Aug 2014
at 13:45
Re: International Forums
In reply to Japan (msg # 8):

There are currently forces from the US, UK, France, Germany and Russia in the region who are in a position to enforce this UN mandate - are there forces any other nation wish to commit to this UN action, and is anyone willing to contribute non militarily to this mission in Iran

Seconly - are any states covered by the second resolution in need of support from UN forces?
Germany
 player, 94 posts
Mon 11 Aug 2014
at 14:20
Re: International Forums
In reply to UK (msg # 9):

You forgot Poland among the nations helping in Kurdistan
Saudi Arabia
 player, 4 posts
Mon 11 Aug 2014
at 14:26
Re: International Forums
UK:
Seconly - are any states covered by the second resolution in need of support from UN forces?


Understanding you're asking about the Caliphate, is Saudi opinión that NATO forces better stay out if posible, as, even if Iraquí government wellcomes them, we guess most population won't.

As said before, though, any intelligence (mostly satellite) will be wellcome, but this aside, we believe that will be better handled by a muslim coalition if you don't want it to be seen as a Crusade.
Japan
 GM, 33 posts
Mon 11 Aug 2014
at 15:35
Re: International Forums
UK:
In reply to Japan (msg # 8):

There are currently forces from the US, UK, France, Germany and Russia in the region who are in a position to enforce this UN mandate - are there forces any other nation wish to commit to this UN action, and is anyone willing to contribute non militarily to this mission in Iran

Seconly - are any states covered by the second resolution in need of support from UN forces?

GM says: No new countries are willing to participate militarily. Non-militarily a whole bunch say they are willing to commit but don´t leave any specifics yet...

Any particular country you are thinking of? Otherwise Check out the newssection;
https://sites.google.com/site/...2029#TOC-Middle-East:-

The Syrian govt welcomes the resolution and asks for UN support in fighting the extremist ISIS militia.
UK
 player, 42 posts
Fri 15 Aug 2014
at 23:27
Re: International Forums
Japan:
UK:
In reply to Japan (msg # 8):

There are currently forces from the US, UK, France, Germany and Russia in the region who are in a position to enforce this UN mandate - are there forces any other nation wish to commit to this UN action, and is anyone willing to contribute non militarily to this mission in Iran

Seconly - are any states covered by the second resolution in need of support from UN forces?

GM says: No new countries are willing to participate militarily. Non-militarily a whole bunch say they are willing to commit but don´t leave any specifics yet...

Any particular country you are thinking of? Otherwise Check out the newssection;
https://sites.google.com/site/...2029#TOC-Middle-East:-

The Syrian govt welcomes the resolution and asks for UN support in fighting the extremist ISIS militia.



Ok, UK suggests the following, NATO forces in the region deal with the Iranian situation, Russian and Saudi forces look to assist the Syrians? If Russia diverts forces from Iran (NATO should be able to handle that side of things) then that should allow them to help fight back and stabilize Syria.

Are any other player nations looking to contribute militarily?
Germany
 player, 100 posts
Mon 18 Aug 2014
at 12:51
Re: International Forums
Japan:
Iranian President says: We stand here today together in peace pronouncing the first steps to a new era. There has been enough bloodshed. Iran will comply with the UN resolution. We have made peace between nationalists and moderates. Our WMDs are destroyed, we will close our WMDs factories and invite UN inspectors. We have arrested some of the IRGC leadership responsible for the WMD attacks and the recent war and will turn over these to India for transport to the ICC in Hague. We have sent an emissary to Kurdistan to initiate a transition.


Germany applauds Indian achievement and suggests that inspectors be sent from IAEA and from countries like Indonesia and/or Bangladesh o course should they accept the mission), both being muslim countries (to avoid suspicacies) and not involved in the zone.

Also, should security troops be needed to help restablishing stability, Germany suggests those same countries for the same reasons.
UK
 player, 68 posts
 Doctor Who?
 Exactly!
Mon 8 Feb 2016
at 12:41
UN Security Council Reform - UK Proposals
We have previously discussed UN Security Council Reform - I think now (whilst the management get on with the work and we're not distracted by turn orders) to discuss this - Since all P5 members now have players I'm pretty sure we can get this done without PAs

UK Proposals are as follows

1) Expansion of the current permanent members - additional Permanent members to be

Germany, Japan, India, Brazil, South Africa

2) Veto powers of permanent members is removed - no more veto

3) Motions require a 2/3rds majority of Permanent members to vote in favour or abstain and a simple majority of the whole council.

4) Total number of Members to be 24 (so 14 non permanent members)

Thoughts? Would any P5 Member Veto this?