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Historical Interval 2030-2034.

Posted by GM AndreasFor group 0
Germany
player, 130 posts
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 21:34
  • msg #29

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Referee:
Germany:
Russian troops going there through Azerbaijan stalled agains a revolt. Some German troops trying to help in both Georgia and Azerbaijan, with negligible (if any) results in this last country.

GM Andreas says: It is the Azerbaijan government that donĀ“t want the Russian troops. They say it is just the first step of Russian occupation.

Germany:
At the begining of this turn:
[*] Revolt in Azerbaijan. Russian and German troops trying to put it down while supporting Azerbaijani government (at least they pretend to).
[*] Conflict starts aain in Nagorno-Karabakh as Azerbaijan seems to take profit of the chaos to retake it.

GM Andreas says: The Azerbaijan government order the army to fight the Russians. So these are regular Azerbaijan army fighting te Russians not some rebel forces. The Azerbaijan govt say Armenian rebels in Nagorno Karabakh are acting more aggresive and so the Azerbaijan army moved in to take them out and retake the occupied province.
What do you say, Kelvin?


TY.

To clarify the situation was the reason of my post
Saudi Arabia
player, 18 posts
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 21:39
  • msg #30

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Israel:
Saudi Arabia:
its troops withraw to their borders. If so, we will make our best to garantee them and to avoid Israel is damaged by the heretic fanatics

From Israel: IC attacked Israel with WMDs and Israel set forth to make sure that never happens again. After our swift attack on IC forces occupying territory formerly of Syrian domain, we have been blessed with assurances for our safety from all over the world, from USA to Saudi. Israel is reasonable and will withdraw our troops to inside Israels borders. However if any attack on Israel occurs despite our friends guarantees, we may start to doubt their sincerity or competence...

OOC: Well, that was quick and painful... :)


Saudi Arabia thanks Israel to have regained their senses and seen that their intended action would be more counterproducent than positive. We see its retreat as a nice move of good will and hopes that can be the begining of new relations among our countries.

Saudi troops will resume operations against the heretic fanatics immediately.
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 56 posts
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 22:05
  • msg #31

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

In reply to Germany (msg # 29):

Unless I am ordered otherwise it will be:
Azerbaijan rebels vs. Russia and Germany
Azerbaijan government vs. Armenia and Russia
Referee
GM, 84 posts
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 22:08
  • msg #32

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Combat Cycle Ref:
In reply to Germany (msg # 29):

Unless I am ordered otherwise it will be:
Azerbaijan rebels vs. Russia and Germany
Azerbaijan government vs. Armenia and Russia

Go for launch. /Andreas, GM
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 57 posts
Fri 11 Sep 2015
at 23:31
  • msg #33

Nagorno-Karabakh, again

In reply to Referee (msg # 32):

“The Azeris are in the compound! The Azeris are in the compound! Tell my mother I have been a good boy! May God ha…<static>” –That is a sound clip from a desperate radio call by a panicked Armenian soldier. This comes to us amid growing speculation that the latest Azerbaijani incursions into  Nagorno-Karabakh was the Qasimov government’s attempt to look strong in the face of ongoing German and Russian operations to keep the Coalition supply lines open through Azerbaijan.


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Azerbaijan attacking:
Azerbaijani  3 veteran motor inf bde
Azerbaijani  10 experienced motor inf bde
Azerbaijani  2 exp artillery bde
Azerbaijani  2 exp SAMs
Azerbaijani  3 green multirole heli
Azerbaijani  1 exp multirole heli
Azerbaijani  1 exp multirole planes
Azerbaijani  2 green multirole plane

Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.9, Sum basic Combat Strength 37,  Final Combat Strength: 2309

Vs Defending:
Russian -unit#225-226: Veteran Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H19
Russian -unit#227 Veteran Multi-role Plane: 3: L: Sol Earth H19
Armenia 3 exp mech :3: M
Armenia 2 reserve inf : 2: U
Armenia 2 exp artillery : 3: U
Armenia 1 reserve multirole plane : 3: L

Average Mil Rank 3, Average Mil tech 8.2, Sum basic Combat Strength 29,  Final Combat Strength: 1949

Odds are 2309/1949 = 1.18 which becomes 1:1

18:43, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 10 using 1d10.  Nagorno-Karabakh, again.

Results: 0% loss Attacker, 60/5=12% permanent loss to defender,

0.12 X 29 available hits = 3.48 = 3

GM chooses:
Russian unit#227 is destroyed
This message was last edited by the player at 00:02, Sat 12 Sept 2015.
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 59 posts
Sat 12 Sep 2015
at 02:03
  • msg #34

Through Bandit Country

In reply to Referee (msg # 32):

“I hate this place. Tell my mother I was a good boy. May God have mercy on my soul.” Suicide note from Pvt. Hans Schuller of the German army who killed himself amid a growing investigation into possible indiscriminate shooting into an Azerbaijani village after his convoy was ambushed nearby by anti-Coalition militants.

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Azerbaijani rebels attacking
Azerbaijani rebel: 8 Reserve Infantry: 1 : U
Azerbaijani rebel: 1 Experienced Infantry: 1: U

Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.9, Sum Basic Strength: 9, Final Combat Strength: 561


Russia and Germany defending
Russian -unit#442, 443, 444: Experienced Infantry Brigades: 1: U: Sol Earth H20: Security
German -unit#213, 214, 215: Veteran Infantry Brigades:1 :U: Sol Earth H20: Airborne & Security
German unit#718,719,720: Experienced Multi-role Plane: 3: L: Sol Earth H20

Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.4, Sum Basic Strength: 15, Final Combat Strength: 2751


Odds are 561/2751=0.204 which becomes 1:5 odds, shifted 2*(2-4)=-4 = 4 columns to left

20:54, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 8 using 1d10.  Through Bandit Country.

Results: 100%/5=20% permanent to loss Attacker, 0% permanent loss to defender,

0.20 X 9 available hits = 1.8 = 1

GM chooses:
Azerbaijani rebel: 1 Reserve Infantry are destroyed
This message was last edited by the player at 23:03, Tue 15 Sept 2015.
Germany
player, 132 posts
Sat 12 Sep 2015
at 07:48
  • msg #35

Re: Through Bandit Country

Combat Cycle Ref:
Azerbaijani rebels attacking
Azerbaijani rebel: 8 Reserve Infantry: 1 : U
Azerbaijani rebel: 1 Experienced Infantry: 1: U

Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.9, Sum Basic Strength: 9, Final Combat Strength: 561

Russia and Germany defending
Russian -unit#442, 443, 444: Experienced Infantry Brigades: 1: U: Sol Earth H20: Security
German -unit#213, 214, 215: Veteran Infantry Brigades:1 :U: Sol Earth H20: Airborne & Security
German unit#718,719,720: Experienced Multi-role Plane: 3: L: Sol Earth H20

Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.4, Sum Basic Strength: 15, Final Combat Strength: 2751

Odds are 561/2751=0.204 which becomes 1:5 odds, shifted 2*(2-4)=-4 = 4 columns to left

20:54, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 8 using 1d10.  Through Bandit Country.

Results: 100%/5=25% permanent to loss Attacker, 0% permanent loss to defender,

0.25 X 9 available hits = 2.25 = 2


Not that it would change anything, so the questions are just theoretical and didactical (after all we're all still learning the details of the rules):

  • being all Russian/German security troops against MR4 guerrillas, should'n combat factor be 5 (12.10, page 81, last paragraph)? (EDIT: I see for the calculation of the total combat strength you used it as 5, as otherwise FCS would be 1058) END EDIT)
  • I see you averaged TL for the Russian/German side. ITTR that I asked you once about it (I cannot find in the forum and not looked for in Emails) and I was told each country CP wil lbe counted separatelly and then added in each side. So, will they be averaged? (see that this may make a low TL country a true hindrance, even reducing the total CP by contributing with units).
  • For the attacker, losses are 100/5=20%, .2 x 9 = 1.8 (so only 1 unit should be destroyed)


And finally, a mix of IC and OOC:

Combat Cycle Ref:
“I hate this place. Tell my mother I was a good boy. May God have mercy on my soul.” Suicide note from Pvt. Hans Schuller of the German army who killed himself amid a growing investigation into possible indiscriminate shooting into an Azerbaijani village after his convoy was ambushed nearby by anti-Coalition militants.


Why Germany always takes the worst part of the news? It happened in the Pakistani crisis in 2016, where Germany (while mostly keeping aside) was blamed by India, it happenes this turn in the news (see German Military Fights on in the Sand in the Middle East section), and now a German soldier commiting suicide. So bad is German relations with Press? (just jocking a little)


Note: Edited to add the second question and the comment about press
This message was last edited by the player at 16:20, Wed 16 Sept 2015.
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 60 posts
Tue 15 Sep 2015
at 23:28
  • msg #36

Bloody Damascus

In reply to Referee (msg # 32):

“He just kept on repeating ‘Tell my mother I have been a good boy’ which came to me amid my growing speculation on just who his mother was. We have to go down to As Suwayda and clean everybody out, may God have Mercy on their souls” –Hidden camera footage purportedly of Syrian President Assad giving orders while leaving his motorcade.

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Russia and Syria attacking
Russian -unit#186: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H19
Russian -unit#187, 188, 189, 190: Veteran Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H19
Russian -unit#193-194: Green Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H19
Russian -unit#198-204: Experienced Artillery : 3: U: Sol Earth H19
Russian -unit#445-454: Experienced Infantry :1 : U: Sol Earth H19: Security
Russian -unit#191-192: Veteran Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#214-216: Experienced Multi-role Plane :3: L: Sol Earth H20
Syria: 5 Green Tank :5:H : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Motorized : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Green Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Reserve Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19 Stealth Ability, various militias
Syria: 4 Green Infantry Brigades (Security Ability)
Syria: 1 Green Artillery : 6: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 8 Green Multi-role planes : 3: L : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Multi-role Helicopter : 2: M : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 4 Green IRBM : 6: U : Sol Earth H19

Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 8.2, Sum Basic Strength: 196, Final Combat Strength: 17011


Syrian rebels defending
Syrian rebels: 26 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militia forces)
Syrian rebels: 3 Green Motorized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Syrian rebels: 6 Green Mechanized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Artillery Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Syrian rebels: 2 Reserve SAM Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)

Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 57, Final Combat Strength: 3206


Odds are 17011/3206=5.301 which becomes 5:1 odds, shifted 2*(4-3)=2 = 2 columns to right

18:25, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 7 using 1d10.  Bloody Damascus.

Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender,

0.20 X 57 available hits = 11.4 = 11

GM chooses:
Syrian rebels: 11 Reserve Infantry are destroyed
Germany
player, 134 posts
Wed 16 Sep 2015
at 15:22
  • msg #37

Bloody Damascus

Seeing that Syrian artillery and IRBMs are listed as combat factor 6, I assume they're using MDW. Right?
Germany
player, 136 posts
Wed 16 Sep 2015
at 18:51
  • msg #38

Re: Through Bandit Country

Germany:
[*] I see you averaged TL for the Russian/German side. ITTR that I asked you once about it (I cannot find in the forum and not looked for in Emails) and I was told each country CP wil lbe counted separatelly and then added in each side. So, will they be averaged? (see that this may make a low TL country a true hindrance, even reducing the total CP by contributing with units).


Found it in the forum (off course, when looking for another detail)

Thread: Rules 20140915, page 2, post 10:

quote:
Rule 12:10 Is this calculated by nation (and adding the value of allied nations) or the whole force?
By nation.


Has this been changed?
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 64 posts
Thu 17 Sep 2015
at 22:05
  • msg #39

Re: Through Bandit Country

In reply to Germany (msg # 38):

>Seeing that Syrian artillery and IRBMs are listed as combat factor 6, I assume
>they're using MDW. Right?
Yes

>>>Rule 12:10 Is this calculated by nation (and adding the value of allied nations) or the whole force?
>>By nation.
>Has this been changed?
GM's discretion. If the forces are relatively similar then the <1% difference in your example between the two methods is too small for me to care about.
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 65 posts
Thu 17 Sep 2015
at 22:47
  • msg #40

A Jihad, like any other

“I have no regrets about this act. Tell my mother I have been a good boy. May God have mercy on all our souls”- Martyrdom video from a Karachi hospital worker believed to have deliberately infected patients with the disease known as ‘The Scourge of God’. This comes amid growing investor speculation on the stock price of the USA based company ‘Gen-sys’ based on possible contracts to fight the viral haemorrhagic fever.


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Russia, Saudi Arabia, Germany, USA, UK attacking IC
Russia unit#437, 438, 439, 440. 441   Experienced Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H20, Security ability
Saudi Arabia unit# 21, 22 :experienced artillery :3: U: Sol Earth I22
Saudi Arabia unit# 1,3, 4: green armor: 5: H: Sol Earth I22
Saudi Arabia unit# 31, 32,33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38: green mech :Sol Earth I22
Saudi Arabia unit# 61: experienced motorized: 1: U :Sol Earth I22
Saudi Arabia unit# 304, 305: vet multi-role planes:3: L: Sol Earth I22
Saudi Arabia unit# 308, 309, 310: experienced multi-role planes: 3 : L: Sol Earth I22
German unit# 701, 702: elite multirole plane: 3: L: Sol Earth H20
German unit# 706, 707, 708: Veteran multirole plane: Sol Earth H20
German unit# units 2, 3: Veteran Tank: 5: H : Sol Earth H20
German unit# 52: Veteran Artillery: 3: U : Sol Earth H20
UK : Veteran Bomber : 4: M: Sol Earth I21: longrange
UK: veteran Multirole plane : 3:L: Sol Earth I21
UK: elite multirole plane: 3: L: Sol Earth I21
USA x3: Veteran Multirole Plane: 3: L: Amphibious
UK:elite Inf :1: U: Sol Earth H20: stealth, airborne, amphibious
UK: elite Inf: 1: U: Sol Earth H20: stealth, airborne, amphibious
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20: amphibious
USA: Elite Armoured :5: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20

Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.2, Sum Basic Strength: 126, Final Combat Strength: 9798

Islamic Caliphate Defending:
3 Green Motorized Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
11 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militia)
2 Green SAM Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
3 Green Infantry Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)

Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.4, Sum Basic Strength: 21, Final Combat Strength: 1149

Odds are 9798/1149=8.527 which becomes 8:1 odds, shifted { 2*(4-2)=4 to right for difference in Military Rank, 2 to left for WMD usage and worldwide terror campaign by IC, 2 to left for chaos to Coalition operations and Muslim world outrage due to Israeli invasion} final odds 8:1

17:42, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 9 using 1d10.  A Jihad, like any other.

Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender,

0.20 X 21 available hits = 4.2 = 4

GM chooses:
Islamic Caliphate: 4 Reserve Infantry are destroyed
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 66 posts
Mon 21 Sep 2015
at 21:55
  • msg #41

A Jihad, like any other

Ok, it is now time to begin the next round of combat. Only the ‘A Jihad, like any other’ storyline will feature right now because it is the most intensive situation.
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If the Russian and Armenian Generals on the balcony in Yerevan tried to say anything it was drowned out by the roar of the surging crowd below; eventually they just smiled, hugged and roared right back.

If the fevered dreams Prophet of Mosel come to fruition then eventually everyone will have fevered dreams.

If the public griping is not dealt with soon then eventually the unity of Western Europe will be seriously jeopardized.

If the modest street protests are any indication then the leaders of PROTO have yet to get all of the Iranian factions to commit to the peace process; eventually something has got to give.

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Russia, Saudi Arabia, Germany, USA, UK attacking IC
Russia unit#437, 438, 439, 440. 441   Experienced Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H20, Security ability
Saudi Arabia unit# 21, 22 :experienced artillery :3: U: Sol Earth I22
Saudi Arabia unit# 1,3, 4: green armour: 5: H: Sol Earth I22
Saudi Arabia unit# 31, 32,33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38: green mech :Sol Earth I22
Saudi Arabia unit# 61: experienced motorized: 1: U :Sol Earth I22
Saudi Arabia unit# 304, 305: vet multi-role planes:3: L: Sol Earth I22
Saudi Arabia unit# 308, 309, 310: experienced multi-role planes: 3 : L: Sol Earth I22
German unit# 701, 702: elite multirole plane: 3: L: Sol Earth H20
German unit# 706, 707, 708: Veteran multirole plane: Sol Earth H20
German unit# units 2, 3: Veteran Tank: 5: H : Sol Earth H20
German unit# 52: Veteran Artillery: 3: U : Sol Earth H20
UK : Veteran Bomber : 4: M: Sol Earth I21: longrange
UK: veteran Multirole plane : 3:L: Sol Earth I21
UK: elite multirole plane: 3: L: Sol Earth I21
USA x3: Veteran Multirole Plane: 3: L: Amphibious
UK: elite Inf :1: U: Sol Earth H20: stealth, airborne, amphibious
UK: elite Inf: 1: U: Sol Earth H20: stealth, airborne, amphibious
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20: amphibious
USA: Elite Armoured :5: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20

Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.2, Sum Basic Strength: 126, Final Combat Strength: 9798

Islamic Caliphate Defending:
3 Green Motorized Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
7 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militia)
2 Green SAM Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
3 Green Infantry Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)

Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.4, Sum Basic Strength: 17, Final Combat Strength: 930

Odds are 9798/930=10.5 which becomes 10:1 odds, shifted { 2*(4-2)=4 to right for difference in Military Rank, 2 to left for WMD usage and worldwide terror campaign by IC, 2 to left for chaos to Coalition operations and Muslim world outrage due to Israeli invasion} final odds 10:1

16:41, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 6 using 1d10.  A Jihad, like any other.

Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender,

0.20 X 17 available hits = 3.4 = 3

GM chooses:
Islamic Caliphate: 2 Reserve Infantry are destroyed
Islamic Caliphate: 1 Green Infantry is destroyed
Saudi Arabia
player, 19 posts
Tue 22 Sep 2015
at 16:03
  • msg #42

A Jihad, like any other

I know holding territory is not a critical factor in insurgences, and I didn't dare to ask on any other, but as IC is traying to hold it(assuming it's actin as in Real World, has it lost the gained territory?
Germany
player, 141 posts
Tue 22 Sep 2015
at 18:16
  • msg #43

As the turn seems near to end...

In order to make a better use of remaining response PAs, can we please have a sumary of the situations at the end of CR2 in?:

  1. Kurdistan (mostly Turkish part)
  2. Azerbaijan/Armenia border
  3. Lybia
  4. Egypt
  5. Iran

This message was last edited by the player at 18:17, Tue 22 Sept 2015.
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 67 posts
Tue 22 Sep 2015
at 21:27
  • msg #44

As the turn seems near to end...

In reply to Germany (msg # 43):

A summary of the situations at the end of CR2:
Kurdistan (mostly Turkish part): France, as has made clear before, has stated its support of armed assistance of Turkey and has units in the area to do that. It is possible, but unlikely that Turkey or Kurdistan will try something soon. Expect the GM to make a roll soon as to its fate.

Azerbaijan/Armenia border: Active full on war

Libya: Festering blood bath, expect the GM to make a roll soon as to its fate.

Egypt: Festering, expect the GM to make a roll soon as to its fate.

Iran: The moderate and the hardliners faction are about equally strong right now. The Iranian military have stayed in their barracks this entire turn. There is no (brigade level) fighting between Iran and Kurd (or any other) faction. But the army is getting restless, 2035 might be different...
This message was last edited by the player at 19:00, Wed 23 Sept 2015.
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 68 posts
Tue 22 Sep 2015
at 21:30
  • msg #45

A Jihad, like any other

In reply to Saudi Arabia (msg # 42):

>IC is traying to hold it(assuming it's actin as in Real World, has it lost the
>gained territory?
It has lost the territory that it gained with its successful actions last Turn. It needs to be said though, with the low Stability ratings of the IC and all the nations around it, the terms 'losing' and 'gaining' territory are hardly meaningful.
Germany
player, 144 posts
Thu 24 Sep 2015
at 14:27
  • msg #46

Re: As the turn seems near to end...

Combat Cycle Ref:
In reply to Germany (msg # 43):
Iran: The moderate and the hardliners faction are about equally strong right now. The Iranian military have stayed in their barracks this entire turn. There is no (brigade level) fighting between Iran and Kurd (or any other) faction. But the army is getting restless, 2035 might be different...


Is Iran complying with the peace conditions (mostly destroying their MDW stocks)?
Referee
GM, 85 posts
Fri 25 Sep 2015
at 13:00
  • msg #47

Re: As the turn seems near to end...

Germany:
Combat Cycle Ref:
In reply to Germany (msg # 43):
Iran: The moderate and the hardliners faction are about equally strong right now. The Iranian military have stayed in their barracks this entire turn. There is no (brigade level) fighting between Iran and Kurd (or any other) faction. But the army is getting restless, 2035 might be different...


Is Iran complying with the peace conditions (mostly destroying their MDW stocks)?

Iran says: We are complying.
Independant observers say: Some goals have been acheived, others not:
A) Iran has NO military units with WMDs
B) Of the WMD stockpiles not in military units:
-50% have been destroyed
-20% are in locations controlled by Indian military police and inspected by international observers, scheduled for destruction
-20% controlled by Iran army and inspected by international observers, scheduled for destruction
-10% are unaccounted for.
C) Factory to produce new weapons is destroyed

GM Andreas says: In game terms: Iran has no WMDs. It is my understanding of the rules that Iran could build new WMDs in 2035 if it wants as we have no game mechanic to hinder this. Kelvin what is your input? If Kelvin has no input I am making a GM decision to say that German experts believe Iran would be able to produce new WMDs in 2040 at the earliest.
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 71 posts
Fri 25 Sep 2015
at 17:23
  • msg #48

Round 3: The world continues to move

Syria Demands More Aid (Damascus, Syria): “We have those traitors on the run, please do not leave us now!” said Bassel al-Assad in a public address following the movement of numerous Russian units to fight in the exploding Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict. “Every day we see more and more flights of Israeli and Indian cargo planes to Kurdistan, what do we need to do to get that kind of support?” That these remarks were delivered by the Syrian President’s son is sure to fuel ongoing speculation that the elder Assad had contracted any one of several life-threatening diseases known to have outbreaks in Damascus.

Protests as NATO Welcomes Newest Member (Tbilisi, Georgia): “If they will not fight for their own friends how can we expect them to fight for us?!” shouted Georgian opposition leader ZaZa Pachulia at protests across from the banquet hall to welcome the latest NATO member. Mr Pachulia’s remarks echoed similar remarks from the leaders of Portugal and the Czech Republic on their leaving the NATO alliance following German failed efforts to patch over differences regarding the ongoing situation in the Middle East.  Citing the French decision to again remove itself from the NATO command structure, the NATO press officer on the scene declined to state if he knew if a French delegation would be attending saying only that as France was still part of NATO they would be welcome.

Deal on Airport Likely (Tripoli, Libya): The leader of the European backed Transitional National Libyan Government (TNLG) was hopeful that Italian peacekeepers would not be needed to take back the Tripoli International Airport. This is based on word that the Egyptian backed Interim National Libyan government (INLG) forces would sell the airport back the TLNG for ‘…a reasonable sum’”. In other news, the Islamic Revolutionary Front for Justice (IRFJ) announced that it has lost control of the ruins of the Ras Lanuf oil refinery to the AUF (Al Bayda Unity Front). However, our experts contend it is likely a mistake since that group has not been heard from for some months and actually refers to the ABrUF (Al Bardiyah Unity Front) group.

Suez Terminals Burn (Port Said, Egypt): Egyptian military units, some of them from the feared 11th Brigade, conducted for the 4th straight day what they called “…standard security operations with not much more than expected casualties to criminals and rioters” according to a military spokesperson. No one is quite sure what started the latest round of violence but before being downed by police drones our camera balloons captured numerous images of bodies in the streets and machine gun fire directed at surging crowds.


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Through Bandit Country

Azerbaijani rebels attacking
Azerbaijani rebel: 7 Reserve Infantry: 1 : U
Azerbaijani rebel: 1 Experienced Infantry: 1: U

Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.9, Sum Basic Strength: 8, Final Combat Strength: 499


Russia and Germany defending
Russian -unit#442, 443, 444: Experienced Infantry Brigades: 1: U: Sol Earth H20: Security
German -unit#213, 214, 215: Veteran Infantry Brigades:1 :U: Sol Earth H20: Airborne & Security
German unit#718,719,720: Experienced Multi-role Plane: 3: L: Sol Earth H20

Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.4, Sum Basic Strength: 15, Final Combat Strength: 2751


Odds are 499/2751=0.18 which becomes 1:5 odds, shifted 2*(2-4)=-4 = 4 columns to left for Military Rank, 2 columns to right for growing support; final odds 1:7

10:13, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 2 using 1d10.  Through Bandit Country#2.


Results: 100%/5=20% permanent to loss Attacker, 0% permanent loss to defender,

0.20 X 8 available hits = 1.6 = 1, GM decrees 1 extra hit lost as spill over from previous round

GM chooses:
Azerbaijani rebel: 2 Reserve Infantry are destroyed



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Bloody Damascus


Russia and Syria attacking
Russian -unit#186: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H19
Russian -unit#187, 188, 189, 190: Veteran Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H19
Russian -unit#193-194: Green Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H19
Russian -unit#198-204: Experienced Artillery : 3: U: Sol Earth H19
Russian -unit#445-454: Experienced Infantry :1 : U: Sol Earth H19: Security
Russian -unit#191-192: Veteran Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#214-216: Experienced Multi-role Plane :3: L: Sol Earth H20
Syria: 5 Green Tank :5:H : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Motorized : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Green Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Reserve Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19 Stealth Ability, various militias
Syria: 4 Green Infantry Brigades (Security Ability)
Syria: 1 Green Artillery : 6: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 8 Green Multi-role planes : 3: L : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Multi-role Helicopter : 2: M : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 4 Green IRBM : 6: U : Sol Earth H19

Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 8.2, Sum Basic Strength: 196, Final Combat Strength: 17011


Syrian rebels defending
Syrian rebels: 15 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militia forces)
Syrian rebels: 3 Green Motorized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Syrian rebels: 6 Green Mechanized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Artillery Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Syrian rebels: 2 Reserve SAM Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)

Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 46, Final Combat Strength: 2587


Odds are 17011/2587=5.301 which becomes 5:1 odds, shifted 2*(4-3)=2 = 2 columns to right for Military Rank, 2 columns to left for Russian units exiting during fight; final odds 5:1

10:23, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 5 using 1d10.  Bloody Damascus#2.

Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender,

0.20 X 46 available hits = 9.2 = 9

GM chooses:
Syrian rebels: 3 Reserve Infantry are destroyed
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Motorized are destroyed
Syrian rebels: 2 Green Mechanized Brigade (ex-Syrian Army) are destroyed


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A Jihad, like any other

Russia, Saudi Arabia, Germany, USA, UK attacking IC
Russia unit#437, 438, 439, 440. 441   Experienced Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H20, Security ability
Saudi Arabia unit# 1: green armor: 5: H: Sol Earth I22
Saudi Arabia unit# 32: green mech :Sol Earth I22
Gerrman unit# 701, 702: elite multirole plane: 3: L: Sol Earth H20
German unit# 706, 707, 708: Veteran multirole plane: Sol Earth H20
German unit# units 2, 3: Veteran Tank: 5: H : Sol Earth H20
German unit# 52: Veteran Artillery: 3: U : Sol Earth H20
UK : Veteran Bomber : 4: M: Sol Earth I21: longrange
UK: veteran Multirole plane : 3:L: Sol Earth I21
UK: elite multirole plane: 3: L: Sol Earth I21
USA x3: Veteran Multirole Plane: 3: L: Amphibious
UK:elite Inf :1: U: Sol Earth H20: stealth, airborne, amphibious
UK: elite Inf: 1: U: Sol Earth H20: stealth, airborne, amphibious
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20: amphibious
USA: Elite Armoured :5: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20

Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.2, Sum Basic Strength: 82, Final Combat Strength: 5513

Islamic Caliphate Defending:
3 Green Motorized Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
7 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militia)
2 Green SAM Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
3 Green Infantry Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)

Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.4, Sum Basic Strength: 17, Final Combat Strength: 930

Odds are 5513/930=5.9 which becomes 5:1 odds, shifted { 2*(4-2)=4 to right for difference in Military Rank, 2 to left for WMD usage and worldwide terror campaign by IC, 1 to left for Muslim world outrage due to Israeli invasion} final odds 6:1

10:39, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 5 using 1d10.  A Jihad, like any other#2.

Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender,

0.20 X 17 available hits = 3.4 = 3

GM chooses:
Islamic Caliphate: 2 Reserve Infantry are destroyed
Islamic Caliphate: 1 Green Motorized Brigade (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units) is destroyed


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Nagorno-Karabakh, again

Attacking:
Russian -unit#186: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#187, 188, 189, 190: Veteran Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#193-194: Green Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#198-204: Experienced Artillery : 3: U: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#191-192: Veteran Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#225-226: Veteran Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#210-213: Experienced Multi-role Plane :3: L: Sol Earth G17
Russian -unit#217-223: Experienced Multi-role Helicopter :2: L: Sol Earth G17
Armenia 3 exp mech :3: M
Armenia 2 reserve inf : 2: U
Armenia 2 exp artillery : 3: U
Armenia 1 reserve multirole plane : 3: L
Armenia 1 exp tank bde:5:H
Armenia 4 green motor inf bde:1:U
Armenia 1 green inf bde:1:U
Armenia 4 reserve inf bde:1: U
Armenia 2 veteran artillery bde:3:U
Armenia 1 green SAM:2:U
Armenia 2 reserve multirole planes:3:L
Armenia 1 reserve attack heli squad:2:M
Armenia 1 green IRBM (Scud):2:U

Mil Rank 3, Average Mil tech 8.2, Sum basic Combat Strength 132,  Final Combat Strength: 8875
Defending:
Azerbaijani  3 veteran motor inf bde:1:U
Azerbaijani  10 experienced motor inf bde:1:U
Azerbaijani  10 green motor inf bde:1:U
Azerbaijani  11 Reserve motor inf bde:1:U
Azerbaijani  2 exp artillery bde:3:U
Azerbaijani  2 exp SAMs:2:U
Azerbaijani  3 green multirole heli:2:M
Azerbaijani  1 exp multirole heli:2:M
Azerbaijani  1 exp multirole planes:3:L
Azerbaijani  2 green multirole plane:3:L
Azerbaijani  2 green patrol boat squads:1:L

Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.9, Sum basic Combat Strength 60,  Final Combat Strength: 3744

Odds are 8875/3744=2.3 which becomes 2:1 odds, final odds 2:1

11:16, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 2 using 1d10.  Nagorno-Karabakh, again#2.

Results: 20%/5=4% permanent to loss Attacker, 20%/5=4% permanent loss to defender,

Attacker 0.04 X 132 available hits = 5.3 = 5
Defender 0.04 X 60 available hits = 2.4 = 2


GM chooses:
Russian -unit#217: Experienced Multi-role Helicopter :2: L: Sol Earth G17 is destroyed
Armenia 1 exp mech :3: M is destroyed
Azerbaijani : 2 green motor inf bde:1:U are destroyed
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 72 posts
Sat 26 Sep 2015
at 13:40
  • msg #49

Light at the end

Well I have been having fun; blood death and destruction, always an interesting time! I am expecting to finish off the last combats that I know about mid next week (Sept 30th) and then my writ to boss you guys around as Combat Cycle Ref expires. Actually I could do these combats in less than an hour, I just want to give you guys time to start/react anything. After that it will be onto the last step, which is writing any followup summary newspaper articles before the end of Turn, which given that it is mostly nothing more than collecting and editing what is already on this forum, will not take long... and then we can be done with this Turn that is now into its <ugh!> 2nd year. At what point, how long the GM wants to give you, before he stops accepting any new orders on this Turn is up to him, but it will not be long.

There is a light at the end of the tunnel, whether it is sunlight or an oncoming train depends largely on how fast you move, my job is nearly done.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:05, Sat 26 Sept 2015.
Germany
player, 151 posts
Wed 30 Sep 2015
at 15:28
  • msg #50

Light at the end

While reviewing the whole thread to put (once more) in order my own ideas, I realized:

GM Andreas:
We are now at 2030.

4) Schedule for 2030 turn.
sep 5:  END 2025 TURN. Me & Kelvin set about editing new budgets for old and new PCs
sep 12: Player receive budgets
sep 17: Player send in budget and actions
sep 24: Last news article up by GM
sep 30: Player deadline for response
okt 7: Last followup by GM
okt 19: END TURN


I don't know if it has been intentional or casual, but for once we keep on schedule (luckily you didn't specify the year).
Referee
GM, 87 posts
Wed 30 Sep 2015
at 20:47
  • msg #51

Re: Light at the end

Germany:
While reviewing the whole thread to put (once more) in order my own ideas, I realized:

GM Andreas:
We are now at 2030.

4) Schedule for 2030 turn.
sep 5:  END 2025 TURN. Me & Kelvin set about editing new budgets for old and new PCs
sep 12: Player receive budgets
sep 17: Player send in budget and actions
sep 24: Last news article up by GM
sep 30: Player deadline for response
okt 7: Last followup by GM
okt 19: END TURN


I don't know if it has been intentional or casual, but for once we keep on schedule (luckily you didn't specify the year).

GM Andreas says: Funny and sad at the same time... :)
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 77 posts
Mon 5 Oct 2015
at 19:31
  • msg #52

Round 4: Things heating up, things winding down

Bloody Damascus:

Senators insist on being heard (Washington DC, USA): After being cut short from speaking at a Federalist party caucus meeting, senators Tom Richards (F-Oklahoma) and Terry Nicolas (F- California) were clearly intent on making sure that their message would be heard by someone. Speaking outside the caucus meeting room senator Nicolas said “The party leadership wants to talk about the Russian embargo of Azerbaijani oil production but I cannot get anyone to talk about federal dollars for lower income families hurt by the worsening drought”. Also speaking to reporters, senator Richards said “We need harsher action now to stop the Muslim radicals pouring across our southern border, just last week they bombed the mailbox outside my Tulsa office, again! Yet the party leadership thinks it is more important to take the time to consolidate the successes in stabilizing Iraq instead.”

Russia and Syria attacking
Russian unit#445-454: Experienced Infantry :1 : U: Sol Earth H19: Security
Russian unit#214-216: Experienced Multi-role Plane :3: L: Sol Earth H20
Syria: 5 Green Tank :5:H : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Motorized : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Green Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 10 Reserve Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H19 Stealth Ability, various militias
Syria: 4 Green Infantry Brigades (Security Ability)
Syria: 1 Green Artillery : 6: U: Sol Earth H19
Syria: 8 Green Multi-role planes : 3: L : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 5 Green Multi-role Helicopter : 2: M : Sol Earth H19
Syria: 4 Green IRBM : 6: U : Sol Earth H19

Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 8.2, Sum Basic Strength: 147, Final Combat Strength: 13985


Syrian rebels defending
Syrian rebels: 12 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militia forces)
Syrian rebels: 2 Green Motorized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Syrian rebels: 4 Green Mechanized Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Artillery Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)
Syrian rebels: 2 Reserve SAM Brigades (ex-Syrian Army)

Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 37, Final Combat Strength: 2081


Odds are 13985/2081=6.7 which becomes 6:1 odds, shifted 2*(4-3)=2 = 2 columns to right for Military Rank, 1 column to right for extra Russian supplies given to Syria; final odds 9:1

13:39, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 5 using 1d10.  Bloody Damascus#3.

Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender

0.20 X 37 available hits = 7.4 = 7

GM chooses:
Syrian rebels: 4 Reserve Infantry are destroyed
Syrian rebels: 1 Green Mechanized Brigade (ex-Syrian Army) are destroyed


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Nagorno-Karabakh, again:

Georgian President makes statement on detentions (Tbilisi, Georgia):  “We are part of NATO now, I swear to you we can use that to get our people back” said Georgian President Mkalavishvili. This was in answer to critics about the Russian mass detention of Georgians accused of throwing stones and burning tires at the enormous Russian supply convoys on their way to prop up the brutal Syrian regime. President Mkalavishvili went on to state. “There is going to be big trouble if those damn Russians think they can get away with anything else to harm the peace of the region.”

Attacking:
Russian -unit#420-427: Elite Infantry :1: U: Sol Earth F15: Airborne
Russian -unit#428-430: Veteran Infantry :1: U: Sol Earth F15: Airborne
Russian -unit#298: Elite Bomber :4: M: Sol Earth E14
Russian -unit#299-300: Veteran Bomber :4: M: Sol Earth E14
Russian -unit#301-307: Experienced Bomber :4: M: Sol Earth E14
Russian -unit#308-309: Experienced Bomber :4: M: Sol Earth E14
Russian -unit#186: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#187, 188, 189, 190: Veteran Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#193-194: Green Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#198-204: Experienced Artillery : 3: U: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#191-192: Veteran Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#225-226: Veteran Mechanized : 3: M: Sol Earth H20
Russian -unit#210-213: Experienced Multi-role Plane :3: L: Sol Earth G17
Russian -unit#218-223: Experienced Multi-role Helicopter :2: L: Sol Earth G17
Armenia 2 exp mech :3: M
Armenia 2 reserve inf : 2: U
Armenia 2 exp artillery : 3: U
Armenia 1 reserve multirole plane : 3: L
Armenia 1 exp tank bde:5:H
Armenia 4 green motor inf bde:1:U
Armenia 1 green inf bde:1:U
Armenia 4 reserve inf bde:1: U
Armenia 2 veteran artillery bde:3:U
Armenia 1 green SAM:2:U
Armenia 2 reserve multirole planes:3:L
Armenia 1 reserve attack heli squad:2:M
Armenia 1 green IRBM (Scud):2:U

Mil Rank 3, Average Mil tech 8.2, Sum basic Strength 186, Final Combat Strength: 12506


Defending:
Azerbaijani  3 veteran motor inf bde:1:U
Azerbaijani  10 experienced motor inf bde:1:U
Azerbaijani  8 green motor inf bde:1:U
Azerbaijani  11 Reserve motor inf bde:1:U
Azerbaijani  2 exp artillery bde:3:U
Azerbaijani  2 exp SAMs:2:U
Azerbaijani  3 green multirole heli:2:M
Azerbaijani  1 exp multirole heli:2:M
Azerbaijani  1 exp multirole planes:3:L
Azerbaijani  2 green multirole plane:3:L
Azerbaijani  2 green patrol boat squads:1:L

Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.9, Sum basic Combat Strength 61,  Final Combat Strength: 3807

Odds are 12506/3807=3.29 which becomes 3:1 odds, shifted 2 to right for surprise mass airborne assault. Final odds 5:1

13:42, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 6 using 1d10.  Nagorno-Karabakh, again#3.

Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender,

Attacker 0 loss
Defender 0.2 X 61 available hits = 12.2=12


GM chooses:
Azerbaijani : 2 experienced motor inf bde:1:U are destroyed
Azerbaijani : 4 green motor inf bde:1:U are destroyed
Azerbaijani : 4 reserve motor inf bde:1:U are destroyed
Azerbaijani  1 green multirole heli:2:M are destroyed
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A Jihad like any other:

Arrests Made in UK Chemical Attack (Bonn, Germany):  Today German authorities displayed some of the evidence gathered from the arrest of several men accused of participating in the terrorist chemical bombing of Aberdeen in 2032. German authorities praised the work of security officials across the EU whose cooperation made the arrests possible. Saying only that they still have much to learn about the Supreme Truth movement, South Korean investigators refused to comment on the presence of Baklava flavoured data engrams featured in the evidence haul.

Russia, Saudi Arabia, Germany, USA, UK attacking IC
Russia unit#437, 438, 439, 440. 441   Experienced Infantry : 1: U: Sol Earth H20, Security ability
Saudi Arabia unit# 1: green armor: 5: H: Sol Earth I22
Saudi Arabia unit# 32: green mech :Sol Earth I22
Gerrman unit# 701, 702: elite multirole plane: 3: L: Sol Earth H20
German unit# 706, 707, 708: Veteran multirole plane: Sol Earth H20
German unit# units 2, 3: Veteran Tank: 5: H : Sol Earth H20
German unit# 52: Veteran Artillery: 3: U : Sol Earth H20
UK : Veteran Bomber : 4: M: Sol Earth I21: longrange
UK: veteran Multirole plane : 3:L: Sol Earth I21
UK: elite multirole plane: 3: L: Sol Earth I21
USA 3: Veteran Multirole Plane: 3: L: Amphibious
UK:elite Inf :1: U: Sol Earth H20: stealth, airborne, amphibious
UK: elite Inf: 1: U: Sol Earth H20: stealth, airborne, amphibious
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20: amphibious
USA: Elite Armoured :5: M: Sol Earth H20
USA: Elite Mechanized :3: M: Sol Earth H20

Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.2, Sum Basic Strength: 82, Final Combat Strength: 5513


Islamic Caliphate Defending:
2 Green Motorized Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
5 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militia)
2 Green SAM Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
3 Green Infantry Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)

Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.4, Sum Basic Strength: 14, Final Combat Strength: 766

Odds are 5513/766=5.9 which becomes 7:1 odds, shifted { 2*(4-2)=4 to right for difference in Military Rank, 2 to left for WMD usage and worldwide terror campaign by IC, 1 to left for Muslim world outrage due to Israeli invasion} final odds 8:1

10:39, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 5 using 1d10.  A Jihad, like any other#2.

Results: 0% permanent to loss Attacker, 100%/5=20% permanent loss to defender,

0.20 X 17 available hits = 3.4 = 3

GM chooses:
Islamic Caliphate: 2 Reserve Infantry are destroyed
Islamic Caliphate: 1 Green Motorized Brigade (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units) is destroyed


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consummatum est, for combat this Turn.
Referee
GM, 89 posts
Thu 15 Oct 2015
at 04:17
  • msg #53

Re: Round 4: Things heating up, things winding down

Combat Cycle Ref:
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consummatum est, for combat this Turn.

Rounding off this turn.

Combat cycle ref announced today and end to major combat operations of turn 2030-34. Now begins mop up operations. We need to summarize and publicize what have been done.

Lluis is going through RPOL historical intervall 2030-34. Thankyou for that Lluis. I need all the rest of you players to go through your own RPOL threads (such as the followup orders threads) and copy what you think should be added to the history timeline, then mail it to me. Deadline for this is friday. After that I will put it all up so you can see it. Then you will have the weekend to add, comment, complain etc. Then the turn will be over and (if the weather holds) we will begin monday on 2035-39!
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