Iranian Kurdistan.   Posted by Referee.Group: 0
Referee
 GM, 20 posts
Thu 6 Sep 2012
at 05:42
Iranian Kurdistan
Iran
3 Experienced Tank Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 843.7
3 Green Tank Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 421.8
1 Elite Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Stealth ability) 123.7
2 Veteran Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Airborne ability) 185.6
1 Experienced Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 56.2
2 Green Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 56.2
2 Green Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5,) 56.2
2 Reserve Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Security ability) 12.3
3 Green Artillery Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 253.1
1 Green SAM Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 56.2

Ground- 2065

1 Veteran Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 8.2) 302.5
1 Experienced Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5) 168.7
1 Experienced Support planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5, Airborne Assault Transport ability 56.2

Air- 527.4

Kurdistan
1 Veteran Peshmerga Brigade w\Israeli commandos & other assets (Military-Ground 8.0 SAM, Stealth) 115.2
3 Experienced Peshmerga Brigades (Military-Ground 7.7 Light) 195.6
8 Green Kurdish Insurgents (Military-Ground 7.5) 225

Ground- 535.8


Initiative
Iran
Most Reserve -2
Most Air +2
Most Veteran\Elite +2
Only side with Air +4

Roll of 9

5- Column Shift (x1)
4- +2 to Initiative next round

Kurds
Most Infantry -2
Most Light +2
Only Side with Light +4
Favorable Terrain +2 (reduced from +4 due to Iran harsh strategy)
Favored Political Situation +2
Covert Israeli Intelligence and SigIntel support +2

Roll of 17

10- Decide which units take damage
5- Column Shift (x1)
2- +1 to Initiative next turn

This message was last edited by the GM at 03:53, Sat 08 Sept 2012.

Russia
 player, 8 posts
Thu 6 Sep 2012
at 13:13
Re: Iranian Kurdistan
In reply to Referee (msg # 1):

Ehh?  The force list you have there for Iran sounds a lot like the one I came up with for the mobile forces which could be expected to participate in an Iranian defense of Pakistan during the crisis of 2016...of course, if you want, it is also a perfectly appropriate list of what Iran would be willing to risk allocating for the defense of Kurdistan, the rest of their military tied up with in the defense of the rest of the nation.

See https://sites.google.com/site/...dgame/countries/iran for what I came up with for the full force.
Japan
 player, 2 posts
Thu 6 Sep 2012
at 16:36
Re: Iranian Kurdistan
Russia:
In reply to Referee (msg # 1):

Ehh?  The force list you have there for Iran sounds a lot like the one I came up with for the mobile forces which could be expected to participate in an Iranian defense of Pakistan during the crisis of 2016...


I shamelessly stole that idea :)
Russia
 player, 9 posts
Sat 8 Sep 2012
at 04:58
Re: Iranian Kurdistan
In reply to Referee (msg # 1):

This is going to be short and pointless.  You need to give the Kurds a lot more units (as per latest version of sec 8.5) with Stealth ability (as per latest version of sec 10.7 and 12.11), else at 5 to 1 odds I think the Kurds would have figured out it is best if they just stayed home.
Referee
 GM, 22 posts
Sat 8 Sep 2012
at 05:12
Combat Cycle 1
Order: Iran-Kurdistan

Iranian Air Phase
Iran ACV- 527.4
Kurd ACV- 162.7

Shift negate (3:1)
Roll- 2 (20%/20%)

105.4 damage to Iran
107.1 damage to Kurdistan

Iranian Ground Phase
Iran GCV- 2048.1
Kurd GCV- 428.7

Urban & Difficult Terrain (1 cs Kurd favor)

3:1
Roll- 1 (40/20)

819.2 damage to Iran
85.7 damage to Kurdistan




Iran
1 Experienced Tank Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5) 262.9
2 Experienced Tank Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 562.5
3 Green Tank Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 421.8
1 Elite Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Stealth ability) Destroyed
2 Veteran Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Airborne ability) Destroyed
1 Experienced Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) Destroyed
2 Green Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) Destroyed
2 Green Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5,) Destroyed
2 Reserve Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Security ability) Destroyed
3 Green Artillery Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) Destroyed
1 Green SAM Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) Destroyed

Ground- 1247.2

1 Veteran Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 8.2) 302.5
1 Experienced Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5) 119.5
1 Experienced Support planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5, Airborne Assault Transport ability 56.2 Destroyed

Air- 422

Kurdistan
1 Veteran Peshmerga Brigade w\Israeli commandos & other assets (Military-Ground 8.0 SAM, Stealth) 115.2
3 Experienced Peshmerga Brigades (Military-Ground 7.7 Light) 195.6
8 Green Kurdish Insurgents (Military-Ground 7.5) 32.2

Ground- 343
Referee
 GM, 23 posts
Sat 8 Sep 2012
at 05:37
Re: Combat Cycle 1
Kurdistan Action
Kurdish forces move into urban centers or take cover in the rugged countryside, possibly over the border with Iraq.  Man-portable anti-aircraft missiles and drones are reported in use... indicating covert support by Israel and\or the United States.

The Kurds do not attack during their phase of the combat cycle.  Casualties thus far will enhance the Kurdish insurgency by a significant margin and currently lacking infantry support, armor faces difficulty deploying into urban areas (or reaching more remote locations).

Japan
 player, 3 posts
Sat 8 Sep 2012
at 07:18
Re: Combat Cycle 1
In reply to Referee (msg # 6):

Iran orders:

This message was last edited by the GM at 19:52, Sun 09 Sept 2012.

Russia
 player, 11 posts
Sun 9 Sep 2012
at 16:45
Re: Combat Cycle 1
In reply to Referee (msg # 5):

Could have had a big effect:  Sec 12.1 "A unit with a special ability receives a +10% to its Base Combat Strength if the GM rules that the ability is relevant to the situation i.e. ‘Security’ ability would be no help on a hex with islands, but ‘Amphibious’ ability would be."

Would not have affected anything but: The Reserve quality units of the Iranians could not have participated in the attack.  They can only be attacked.

Still contend that there should be a lot of Kurdish irregulars (Reserve w/Stealth Inf brigades) running around.
Referee
 GM, 25 posts
Sun 9 Sep 2012
at 17:00
Re: Combat Cycle 1
First month of up tempo operations pretty much I figured only to put the 'active' fighters on the board.  With the Kurds presently presenting a 'strong horse' to bet on, more Kurds may jump off the fence and take up the extremely risky proposition.  Demographically the Kurds are estimated at about 10% of the Iranian population (from 2008 info irc)... I would bet they have a higher birth rate than the general Iranian population.

'Stealth' seems a bit clunky for guerrillas... they can't really be detected by a AWACs or CCC unit.  Combat value wise they wouldn't account for much and couldn't do the things guerrillas could do since they can't attack (except chew up supplies maybe;-).  The year long 'Insurgency cycle' may be a better fit to model them.

This message was last edited by the GM at 19:50, Sun 09 Sept 2012.

Russia
 player, 13 posts
Sun 9 Sep 2012
at 19:21
Re: Combat Cycle 1
In reply to Referee (msg # 9):

>'Stealth' seems a bit clunky for guerrillas
You are thinking of the old version of the rules.  Goto either on the Management files page, see the changes to sec 12.11 and 12.4 ...as well as 10.7 and 8.5.
Japan
 player, 5 posts
Fri 26 Oct 2012
at 18:45
Re: Combat Cycle 1
In reply to Referee (msg # 5):

Are these forces (marked "destroyed") really destroyed for good or are they reduced to reservestatus(not fit for combat) and can be restored by paying extra supplyunits?
Japan
 player, 6 posts
Fri 26 Oct 2012
at 21:23
Re: Iranian Kurdistan
In reply to Referee (msg # 1):

Kelvin, is this Iranian airunit Russian? Mig-29?

1 Veteran Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 8.2) 302.5
Russia
 player, 17 posts
Tue 30 Oct 2012
at 12:43
Re: Combat Cycle 1
In reply to Japan (msg # 11):
Reduced to Reserve status.
Russia
 player, 18 posts
Tue 30 Oct 2012
at 12:50
Re: Iranian Kurdistan
In reply to Japan (msg # 12):
Yes, or the F-14s or the Mirages, any/neither.  What I was trying to represent is that there are some craft in the Iranian inventory that they have managed to keep decently maintained and updated and then there are others, due to the long running sanctions, which they have not been able to properly maintain.  i.e. A Mig-29 with worn parts is no better than a F-5 so they are lumped in together
Germany
 player, 1 post
Tue 30 Oct 2012
at 14:53
Re: Combat Cycle 1
In reply to Referee (msg # 5):

How are the hits to the Kurds applied? I see no losses among them, while the 85 hits they receive should destroy or damage some units...

This message was last edited by the player at 14:54, Tue 30 Oct 2012.

Russia
 player, 19 posts
Tue 30 Oct 2012
at 19:19
Re: Combat Cycle 1
In reply to Germany (msg # 15):

By the older version of the rules there would have been some lasting damage to the Kurdish units.  In the more recent version of the rules that was used here the owner chooses a unit to absorb up to the unit's max hits and that is reduced to Reserve, repeats until there are insufficient hits left to reduce the Quality level of a unit, remaining hits discarded.  Chris obviously had the Kurds choose to apply the 85 hits first to that Veteran unit.  85<115 so nothing happened.
Referee
 GM, 31 posts
Tue 29 Jan 2013
at 01:57
Combat Cycle 2
Iran-Kurdistan Area Deployment
2 Elite Infantry Brigades (Military-Ground 8.3, Airmobile)
2 Veteran Infantry Brigades (Military-Ground 8.3, Airmobile)

Hamadan Deployment
1 Veteran Support planes squadron (Military-Air 7.7 CCC)
4 Veteran Multirole planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.7)
10 Experienced Multirole planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.7)
10 Experienced Light Bomber planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5)
6 Experienced Support planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5)

Bandar-e Emam Khomeyni Sealift

1 Experienced Aircraft Carrier (Military-Sea 7.1, Amphibious Assault Transport)
- 1 Experienced Multirole Squadron (Military-Air 8.0)
- 1 Experienced Support Helo (Military-Air 8.0)
- 1 Elite Mechanized Brigade (Military-Ground 8.2, Amphibious)
3 Experienced Helo Carriers (Military-Sea 7.1 Amphibious Assault Transport)
- 3 Experienced Support Helo (Military-Air 7.1)
- 1 Elite Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 8.4, Amphibious, Airmobile)
1 Experienced Cruiser (Military-Sea 7.1)
1 Veteran Destroyer (Military-Sea 8.0)
1 Veteran Diesel Attack Submarine (Military-Sea 7.1)
Japan
 player, 7 posts
Sat 2 Feb 2013
at 16:37
Re:  Combat Cycle 2
Referee:
3 Experienced Helo Carriers (Military-Sea 7.1 Amphibious Assault Transport)
- 3 Experienced Support Helo (Military-Air 7.1)
- 1 Elite Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 8.4, Amphibious, Airmobile)

Are all 3 Helo carriers amphibious Assault? Still only carry 1 army unit?
Referee
 GM, 32 posts
Sat 2 Feb 2013
at 17:10
Re:  Combat Cycle 2
China only listed one to secure their port operations.....5,000 iirc for the infantry brigade not to mention other peripheral support that goes with that sort of thing.  The infantry (and mech brigade) I'm assuming is strictly to keep the port facilities secure and that end of the supply line open.  The Kurdish issue is a bit further to the north in the hinterlands from Bandar-e Emam Khomeyni.
China
 player, 1 post
Mon 4 Feb 2013
at 17:33
Re:  Combat Cycle 2
In reply to Referee (msg # 19):

OOC:
Aye it was just the one unit its what could be moved in quickly to secure a beach head ..other units to follow ..(remember China is still building a logistics web at this point in the game) The unit is also exactly what was listed..the PLA navy has expanded faster than the PLA 's Amphibious forces (for various reasons)

This message was last edited by the player at 17:35, Mon 04 Feb 2013.

Referee
 GM, 33 posts
Wed 6 Feb 2013
at 03:38
Combat Cycle 2
Iran/China
1 Experienced Tank Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5) 262.9
2 Experienced Tank Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 562.5
3 Green Tank Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 421.8

2 Elite Infantry Brigades (Military-Ground 8.3, Airmobile) 303.1
2 Veteran Infantry Brigades (Military-Ground 8.3, Airmobile)227.3

Ground- 1777.6

1 Veteran Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 8.2) 302.5
1 Experienced Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5) 119.5

Air- 422

Limited Chinese Air (20% of CS this cycle)
1 Veteran Support planes squadron (Military-Air 7.7 CCC) 88.9
4 Veteran Multirole planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.7) 1067.2
10 Experienced Multirole planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.7) 1778,7
10 Experienced Light Bomber planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5) 1687.5
6 Experienced Support planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5) 337.5

CAir- 4959.8 \ 992

Total Air- 1414

Not Combat Effective\degraded
1 Elite Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Stealth ability)
2 Veteran Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Airborne ability)
1 Experienced Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
2 Green Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
2 Green Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5,)
2 Reserve Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Security ability)
3 Green Artillery Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
1 Green SAM Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)

1 Experienced Support planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5, Airborne Assault Transport ability

Kurdistan
1 Veteran Peshmerga Brigade w\Israeli commandos & other assets (Military-Ground 8.0 SAM, Stealth) 115.2
3 Experienced Peshmerga Brigades (Military-Ground 7.7 Light) 195.6
8 Green Kurdish Insurgents (Military-Ground 7.5) 32.2
10 Green Kurdish Insurgents (Military-Ground 7.5) 281.3

Ground- 624.3



Initiative
China\Iran
Most Reserve\NCE -2
Multi-nation Alliance -2
CCC +2
GPS\Spy\Commo +6
Most Air +2
Most Veteran\Elite +2
Only side with Air +4
Military Rank +5

Roll of 21

5- Reverse the order of Combat Cycle

Kurds
Most Infantry -2
Most Light +2
Only Side with Light +4
Favorable Terrain +2 (reduced from +4 due to Iran harsh strategy)
Favored Political Situation +2
Covert Intelligence and SigIntel support +2

Roll of 16


Order: Chinese\Iran-Kurdistan

Chinese\Iranian Air Phase
Iran ACV- 1414
Kurd ACV- 127.3 (Vet Peshmerga not Participating)

Roll- 1 (10%/80%)
141 reduction to China\Iran
101.8 reduction to Kurdistan

China\Iranian Ground Phase
Iran GCV- 1777.6
Kurd GCV- 522.5

Urban & Difficult Terrain (1 cs Kurd favor)

2:1 adjusted
Roll- 2 (40/20)

711 reduction to China\Iran (71.1 per unit, 6x35.6. 498 reduction actual)
104.5 reduction to Kurdistan


Kurdistan Air Phase

None

China\Iranian Ground Phase
China\Iran GCV- 1279.6
Kurd GCV- 522.5

Urban & Difficult Terrain (1 cs Kurd favor)
1:1.5
Roll- 7 (60/20)

255.9 reduction to China\Iran (25.6 per unit, 6 (H armor) x12.8. 179.2 reduction actual)
313.5 reduction to Kurdistan


Iran
1 Experienced Tank Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5) 214.5
2 Experienced Tank Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 465.7
3 Green Tank Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 276.6

2 Elite Infantry Brigades (Military-Ground 8.3, Airmobile) 109.7
2 Veteran Infantry Brigades (Military-Ground 8.3, Airmobile)33.9

Ground- 1100.4

1 Veteran Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 8.2) 297.5
1 Experienced Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5) 114.5

Air- 412

Limited Chinese Air
1 Veteran Support planes squadron (Military-Air 7.7 CCC) 83.9
4 Veteran Multirole planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.7) 1047.2
10 Experienced Multirole planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.7) 1736,7
10 Experienced Light Bomber planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5) 1647.5
6 Experienced Support planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5) 313.5

CAir- 4828.8


Not Combat Effective\degraded
1 Elite Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Stealth ability)
2 Veteran Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Airborne ability)
1 Experienced Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
2 Green Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
2 Green Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5,)
2 Reserve Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Security ability)
3 Green Artillery Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
1 Green SAM Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)

1 Experienced Support planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5, Airborne Assault Transport ability

Kurdistan
1 Veteran Peshmerga Brigade w\Israeli commandos & other assets (Military-Ground 8.0 SAM, Stealth) 67.2
3 Experienced Peshmerga Brigades (Military-Ground 7.7 Light) 36.9


Ground- 104.1 (Withdraw across border in Move)

This message was last edited by the GM at 04:22, Wed 06 Feb 2013.