In reply to UK (msg # 37):

I do not want to call a hold to this really neat little thread, but discussions on this really should be happening concurrently with other events in the Turn that I cannot get to because my time is taken up with this thread. Russia will respond, we will continue, just perhaps at a slower pace.

Following is transmitted in open over any means available:

US & S Korean forces reporting Nuclear strikes against units in field and attacks affecting civilian targets in S Korea.

Any attack on US or its allies is an act of war - any further use of WMDs against our units of allies will be treated as a declaration of war and will provoke an appropriate response

All previous use of WMDs against US and S Korean targets will be answered for

In reply to USA (msg # 39):

From NF ambassor in UN to all other UN amabassors:

Sirs,

communications are being jammed in what seems a worldwide situation.

Korea penninsula has been nuked, not sure who began or who responded, nor the extent of damages.

As NF has no faith in such a situation on the UNSC, as crossed vetoes will surely bog any decision and will only be a loss of time, something we cannot afford, NF calls for an immediate emergency UN General Assembly call to discuss the events and reactions, in a desesperate attempt to avoid a general war.

As comunications with our governments is spotty at best, I'm afraid we must discuss options and maybe agreements among ourselves and hope our governments will back us.

I know this is quite an irregular call (to say the least), and probably not even foreseen in UN chart, but situation is desesperate right now.

This is the worst crisis since UN fundation, and from what we can agree here it can come, not only UN survival, but entire Human race survival. And we're alone here as our countries' representatives. I beg you to help us in the effort to stop this madness while (if?) we have time.

May the Almighty (however you all call Him) help us.

Yours

NF UN Ambassor.

NF ambassor is waiting in the General Assembly hall.

Is anyone else there?
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In reply to Nordic Federation (msg # 41):

German Ambassor is also there

In reply to Germany (msg # 42):

Brazil here.

In reply to Brazil (msg # 43):

India here.

In reply to Nordic Federation (msg # 41):

Nigeria also shows up.

Its Ambassor offers himself to try to mediate, as nigeria is in good terms with China and, as PROTO member is an ally of the ROK.

Nigerian Ambassor publically asks the Ambassors of China and ROK to atend and expose their versions about the facts.

In reply to Nordic Federation (msg # 41):

OOC:

What's the Big 5 and UN General Secretary response to our call?

And what the response of NPCs (in general, I'm not asking for each and every country)
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In reply to Nordic Federation (msg # 46):

OOC: as the CCR has set a deadline (a logical thing to do, not criticizing the decisión), and in order not to lose time (more so due to diferent time zones), I advance NF Ambassor speach at the opening of the sesión. I know rectifications are likely to be needed as we receive more information, but it's OK for me, as ir would represent the chaos reigning in our GG world.

IC:

Dear Sirs,

first of all let me thank you for answering the call and offer my apopogies for this irregular call, but the situation is desesperate and we have no time to lose. We face a worldwide crisis and another threatening to turn worldwide too, and the odds of it boging in the UNSC due to vetos is a nearly sure thing, so losing the scarce time we have. now it's the time to show if we're worth our pay.

As said, we're now facing two crisis, probably related:

• the communications jamming and its consequences
• the nuclear crisis in Korea

About the commnications jamming crisis, the first thing we need to know is where did those jammers come from. Any assistence to UN on this regard would be wellcome and appreciated. it's no time for holding vital information.

About the Korean nuclear crisis, while we understand the strain tis represents for the attacked countries allies, we feel adding more carnage will achieve nothing, except perhaps burnig the evidences on what really happened.

So, we suggest several things to vote:

1. exceptionally, and due to the hasty and desesperate situation, the votes of this specific Assembly meeting should be considered as binding as any UNSC resolution, and overrule them if needed.
   
2. all countries should be ordered to refrain use more violence unless attacked first.
   
3. any MDW using from now on should be considered a war decalaration against all present countries (unless responding to attacks occurring since the vote).
   
4. we demand an immediate ceasefire in the whole Korean penninsula. Troops there should begin immediate disaster relief duties. If that is done, all present countries will aid them to the best of our capabilities

Of course, other proposals may be done by any of the present representatives.

(someone steps to the Ambassor and talks to him)

I've just now been informed the communications jamming has ended and communicaitons are being reestablished. I don't know why or how, nor to what extent.

In view of this, and to allw consults wiht our respective gorvernments, I suggest a 4 hours time before the votes. This will also allow any Ambassor not present now to join us if they so want.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:34, Sat 01 Oct 2016.

1. This is illegal, contrary to the Charter, and unworkable - but sure, whilst the world stands on the precipice feel free to sit arguing about the terms of the UN charter and what is necessary in this situation whilst Korea burns
   
2. South Korea will exercise its inalienable right as a sovereign nation to protect itself - and if the UN is going to ignore the charter as this speech suggests then South Korea will take it upon itself to re-establish peace in the region by preventing any further attacks against our citizens
   
3. Fine and dandy - I hope you don't mind but we think that we've pretty much had war declared on us anyway, so you do your thing and we'll fight for our lives.
   
4. No, no we will not - we have been Nuked and then attacked by North Korean forces on the ground - we are trying to sort this situation out with our allies and those other nations concerned - but we have been attacked without provocation

South Korea calls on the international community to condemn these actions, pledge to hold China accountable for its actions and to guarantee, as the US has done, that any further WMD attack will draw a response.
Finally urge that our allies assist us and the US in pushing back the North Korean hoard from what remains of our country

1. This can be argueable. Is true that resolution 377 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...embly_Resolution_377) is only for when the INSC is blocked by the vetoes, but in this time this is a sure situation, and it would only be a lose of time, time we don't have.
   
2. true, and the exception "unless attacked first" clearly applies, but ROK army will be more useful by adding to the carnaje or by helping in relief tasks?
   
3. this proposal de facto puts all participating countries in the role you prease from the US: if any more MDW are used, all of us, not only US, wil be at war against them.
   
4. ditto in point 2

Sorry, I assumed this as given. You're right and I appologize. This should be the first vote, even before what I put as point 1.

So the proposals to vote, unless someone suggests more of them, would be

1. UN Gemeral Assembly condemns the use of WMD in by China the recent attack against the Korean penninsula.
   
2. exceptionally, and due to the hasty and desesperate situation, the votes of this specific Assembly meeting should be considered as binding as any UNSC resolution, and overrule them if needed.
   
3. all countries should be ordered to refrain use more violence unless attacked first.
   
4. any MDW using from now on should be considered a war decalaration against all present countries (unless responding to attacks occurring since the vote).
   
5. we demand an immediate ceasefire in the whole Korean penninsula. Troops there should begin immediate disaster relief duties. If that is done, all present countries will aid them to the best of our capabilities

In any case, before holding China as the only accountable, I guess we should hear (at least) ther version.


That's one of the previsions of point 4 (now 5) to vote, the return of foreign tropos to their respective countries for disaster relief tasks instead of keeping killing one another.

You seem to be living in some kind of fantasy world where the west coast of my country wasn't just obliterated - how I envy you.
I'm not praising the US - they're just there, stuck in the maelstrom with us. They need help and we need help.
The US and South Korean forces are fighting now, not because they chose to, or because they were ordered by anyone to, but because they were attacked by North Korean forces.



Apparently this fantasy world also does not include an unstable, insane dictatorship in North Korea, nor are North Korean troops attacking my border in this wonderful Nordic world, where everything is fine and dandy. Unfortunately, in the real world, forces are repelling an armed invasion against my country and so are not in position to lay down their arms and start dealing with the other catastrophe



THEY LAUNCHED NUKES INTO SOUTH KOREA - no matter what happened, no matter why this happened - they used WMDs. There was no provocation, no warning, no reason and NO NEED - worse, there was no purpose unless their intention was to destroy both North and South Korean military forces and damn the civilian casualties.
The 'why' is a lot less important than the 'what the hell were you thinking of you murderous bastards'

My nation lies in ruins, likely millions of innocents dead with no provocation from us - Our cities lie in ruins having been hit again, and again, and again by hundreds of ballistic missiles.

Pakistan was invaded because their was a risk, A RISK, that unstable people might get hold of their WMDs, but apparently its OK when the unstable idiots with such weapons are the Chinese?

This inane appeal for 'ceasefire' ignores reality. The inference that this launch by China, even if it was 'accidental' or 'a mistake', hell, even if it was misdirected or 'hacked' is somehow wholly excusable is even more pathetic.

Even if the Chinese did not actually push the button themselves, they lost control of their WMDs - they are unfit to hold them and are responsible for the effects of them no matter what because THEY BUILT THE MURDEROUS DEVICES

Let us offer you a different resolution;

The United nations General assembly
1- commits to the overthrow the Government of the Democratic Republic of Korea and the restoration of a United Korea by force of arms
2 - Vows that charges of Crimes against Humanity be brought before the international court at the Hague against the leadership of the Democratic Republic of Korea
3 - Condemns the use of WMDs by North Korea
4 - Condemns the use of WMDs by China
5 - Vows that charges of Crimes against Humanity be brought before the international court at the Hague against the leadership of the People's Republic of China
6 - Demands that suitable compensation and aid be paid by China for the damage caused by its attack with WMDs
7 - Resolves to strip China and North Korea of the capability to use Weapons of Mass Destruction
8 - Commits to the enforcement of all sections of this resolution by all means necessary including force of arms

Let's add you proposals to mine (modifying them as needed). How about this?

1. Condemns the use of WMDs by North Korea
   
2. Condemns the use of WMDs by China
   
3. Vows that charges of Crimes against Humanity be brought before the international court at the Hague against the leadership of the Democratic Republic of Korea
   
4. commits to the overthrow the Government of the Democratic Republic of Korea (or whatever remains of it) and the restoration of a United Korea by force of arms
   
5. exceptionally, and due to the hasty and desesperate situation, the votes of this specific Assembly meeting should be considered as binding as any UNSC resolution, and overrule them if needed.
   
6. Vows that charges of Crimes against Humanity be brought before the international court at the Hague against the leadership of the People's Republic of China
   
7. all countries should be ordered to refrain use more violence unless attacked first.
   
8. any MDW using from now on should be considered a war decalaration against all present countries (unless responding to attacks occurring since the vote).
   
9. we demand an immediate ceasefire in the whole Korean penninsula. Troops there should begin immediate disaster relief duties. If that is done, all present countries will aid them to the best of our capabilities
   
10. Demands that suitable compensation and aid be paid by China for the damage caused by its attack with WMDs
    
11. Resolves to strip China and North Korea of the capability to use Weapons of Mass Destruction
    
12. Commits to the enforcement of all sections of this resolution by all means necessary including force of arms

Each point should be voted separately.

Germany suggest separating point 11 among a point for China and one for North Korea.

So, the proposal would be:

The United nations General assembly

1. Condemns the use of WMDs by North Korea
   
2. Condemns the use of WMDs by China
   
3. Vows that charges of Crimes against Humanity be brought before the international court at the Hague against the leadership of the Democratic Republic of Korea
   
4. commits to the overthrow the Government of the Democratic Republic of Korea (or whatever remains of it) and the restoration of a United Korea by force of arms
   
5. exceptionally, and due to the hasty and desesperate situation, the votes of this specific Assembly meeting should be considered as binding as any UNSC resolution, and overrule them if needed.
   
6. Vows that charges of Crimes against Humanity be brought before the international court at the Hague against the leadership of the People's Republic of China
   
7. all countries should be ordered to refrain use more violence unless attacked first.
   
8. any MDW using from now on should be considered a war decalaration against all present countries (unless responding to attacks occurring since the vote).
   
9. we demand an immediate ceasefire in the whole Korean penninsula. Troops there should begin immediate disaster relief duties. If that is done, all present countries will aid them to the best of our capabilities
   
10. Demands that suitable compensation and aid be paid by China for the damage caused by its attack with WMDs
    
11. Resolves to strip China of the capability to use Weapons of Mass Destruction
    
12. Resolves to strip North Korea of the capability to use Weapons of Mass Destruction
    
13. Commits to the enforcement of all sections of this resolution by all means necessary including force of arms

Point 12 would be void as irrelevant if point 4 is voted affirmativelly.

In reply to Germany (msg # 52):

India will support its PROTO ally South Korea in this matter.  The contributions by the Nordic Federation and Germany are appreciated, but with all due respect, you do not live next to China.  You have not had to live in fear of nuclear attack, a fear now made manifest in South Korea.

In reply to India (msg # 53):

And yet we try to avoid this nuclear masacre to go further. Most proposed points support ROK, as it was attacked wihtout provocation.

UN is not thought for the neigbouring countries to solve their problems by themselves, but for the International community to aid on it and to involve themselves with peace, and that's what NF, and the rest of us, are trying to do.

After all, it would be easier for those of us that live far from the conflicto to just stay hands out and look at the events from distance, but if that is want is expected, then we can better disolve UN.

OOC:

As the deadline for the turn is 18:00 UTC (so about 26 hours from now), I suggest (to avoid bogging the turn resoution) to leave until 21:00 UTC today to present new proposals, and vote since then.

Of course, it's quite likely (that depends on how many countries atended the call) that we NPCs really resolve the vote, but I guess the votes of the Player's Countries attending will influence it (up to the Referee and CCR to decide the true outcome).

This will leave a few hours for the referees to decide what effect it might have and to the players to decide how to act on the results.

Do you agree on timetable?
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In reply to Nordic Federation (msg # 55):

>What's the Big 5 and UN General Secretary response to our call?
See Sec3 Q&A#8.

In reply to Combat Cycle Ref (msg # 56):



The intent on this question was mainly to poll on the big 5...

In reply to Nordic Federation (msg # 55):

Not having received more proposals, vote begins. According UN General Assembly rules, and being a matter of peace and security, 2/3 of present counties affirmative votes are needed to approve each point of the reolution (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ons_General_Assembly, fourth paragraph)

NF vote:

1. Condemns the use of WMDs by North Korea: YES
   
2. Condemns the use of WMDs by China: YES
   
3. Vows that charges of Crimes against Humanity be brought before the international court at the Hague against the leadership of the Democratic Republic of Korea: YES
   
4. commits to the overthrow the Government of the Democratic Republic of Korea (or whatever remains of it) and the restoration of a United Korea by force of arms: YES
   
5. exceptionally, and due to the hasty and desesperate situation, the votes of this specific Assembly meeting should be considered as binding as any UNSC resolution, and overrule them if needed: YES
   
6. Vows that charges of Crimes against Humanity be brought before the international court at the Hague against the leadership of the People's Republic of China: ABSTAIN
   
7. all countries should be ordered to refrain use more violence unless attacked first: YES
   
8. any MDW using from now on should be considered a war decalaration against all present countries (unless responding to attacks occurring since the vote): YES
   
9. we demand an immediate ceasefire in the whole Korean penninsula. Troops there should begin immediate disaster relief duties. If that is done, all present countries will aid them to the best of our capabilities: YES
   
10. Demands that suitable compensation and aid be paid by China for the damage caused by its attack with WMDs: YES
    
11. Resolves to strip China of the capability to use Weapons of Mass Destruction: ABSTAIN
    
12. Resolves to strip North Korea of the capability to use Weapons of Mass Destruction: YES
    
13. Commits to the enforcement of all sections of this resolution by all means necessary including force of arms: YES

German vote:

1. Condemns the use of WMDs by North Korea: YES
   
2. Condemns the use of WMDs by China: YES
   
3. Vows that charges of Crimes against Humanity be brought before the international court at the Hague against the leadership of the Democratic Republic of Korea: YES
   
4. commits to the overthrow the Government of the Democratic Republic of Korea (or whatever remains of it) and the restoration of a United Korea by force of arms: YES
   
5. exceptionally, and due to the hasty and desesperate situation, the votes of this specific Assembly meeting should be considered as binding as any UNSC resolution, and overrule them if needed: YES
   
6. Vows that charges of Crimes against Humanity be brought before the international court at the Hague against the leadership of the People's Republic of China: ABSTAIN
   
7. all countries should be ordered to refrain use more violence unless attacked first: YES
   
8. any MDW using from now on should be considered a war decalaration against all present countries (unless responding to attacks occurring since the vote): ABSTAIN
   
9. we demand an immediate ceasefire in the whole Korean penninsula. Troops there should begin immediate disaster relief duties. If that is done, all present countries will aid them to the best of our capabilities: YES
   
10. Demands that suitable compensation and aid be paid by China for the damage caused by its attack with WMDs: YES
    
11. Resolves to strip China of the capability to use Weapons of Mass Destruction: ABSTAIN
    
12. Resolves to strip North Korea of the capability to use Weapons of Mass Destruction: YES
    
13. Commits to the enforcement of all sections of this resolution by all means necessary including forcé of arms: YES

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Nigerian vote:

1. Condemns the use of WMDs by North Korea: YES
   
2. Condemns the use of WMDs by China: YES
   
3. Vows that charges of Crimes against Humanity be brought before the international court at the Hague against the leadership of the Democratic Republic of Korea: YES
   
4. commits to the overthrow the Government of the Democratic Republic of Korea (or whatever remains of it) and the restoration of a United Korea by force of arms: YES
   
5. exceptionally, and due to the hasty and desesperate situation, the votes of this specific Assembly meeting should be considered as binding as any UNSC resolution, and overrule them if needed: YES
   
6. Vows that charges of Crimes against Humanity be brought before the international court at the Hague against the leadership of the People's Republic of China: YES
   
7. all countries should be ordered to refrain use more violence unless attacked first: YES
   
8. any MDW using from now on should be considered a war decalaration against all present countries (unless responding to attacks occurring since the vote): NO
   
9. we demand an immediate ceasefire in the whole Korean penninsula. Troops there should begin immediate disaster relief duties. If that is done, all present countries will aid them to the best of our capabilities: YES
   
10. Demands that suitable compensation and aid be paid by China for the damage caused by its attack with WMDs: YES
    
11. Resolves to strip China of the capability to use Weapons of Mass Destruction: YES
    
12. Resolves to strip North Korea of the capability to use Weapons of Mass Destruction: YES
    
13. Commits to the enforcement of all sections of this resolution by all means necessary including forcé of arms: YES

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Saudi Arabia does not attend the Assembly

(bold is mine)


So, I understand th final percentage in votes is the one that reults from players' votes. Is that right?