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UK
player, 93 posts
Rule Britannia!
To the stars!
Sat 3 Apr 2021
at 14:22
  • msg #438

Re: Treaties

In reply to Australia (msg # 437):

As of January 1, 2075, The UK will follow the examples of Australia, Canada and Japan by leaving all treaties signed before 2010 AD. Taking effect on January 1, 2076. The UK will be proud to stand with Australia as they seem fit to insure we can all better respond to the future of space exploartion and not keeps us locked to a past that could not imagine the leaps we have made.  I will echo Canada in urging the other nations to move forward with this.

OOC: Thanks Canada I removed it
This message was last edited by the player at 18:59, Sat 03 Apr 2021.
Canada
player, 22 posts
Sat 3 Apr 2021
at 15:38
  • msg #439

Re: Treaties

In reply to UK (msg # 438):

OOC: UK is not a member of OTC/OQC (Orbital Traffic Control / Orbital Quarantine Control), current members are Australia, Canada, Germany, Japan and Russia.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:44, Sat 03 Apr 2021.
China
player, 90 posts
Thu 15 Apr 2021
at 17:44
  • msg #440

Re: Treaties

In reply to Australia (msg # 437):

Australia should learn to read history. It's a minimal requirement for intelligent conversation.

Especially for underinformed states, we repost all this story.

---------------------------------------------------------
An official announcement from the Chinese government.

All people remember those sad and grim days when China launch their missiles at Korea and hit Seoul and some SouthKorea and American forces.

Many years we were agreed with the “international” version of the incident. We keep calm and silent to a greater good. But now it is time, to tell the truth.

All you see is a real documentary and declassified materials, logs and data streams from military command.

Stream begins: One fine morning you get a panicked sat phone call from your ambassador to North Korea saying that the North Koreans are have gone wild, claiming that they are being invaded right now by massed imperialist forces coming across the border from the south and that North Korea is going to have to … and the link goes dead.

Remember those 5 unhelpful objects in space, as mentioned in the article UN Space Agency Warns Space Risk (https://sites.google.com/site/...035---2039#TOC-Space)? Central Military Command reports that these, what are to visual observation, vaguely bulbous looking objects have started producing jamming signals of heretofore unprecedented power and type. All of your civilian and military satellites have gone off-line. Central Military Command has only able to use hardened ground links for communication and is unable to explain how such powerful transmitters are operating.

All Chinese Satellite networks are treated as having IDLED status until further notice.

Shortly after that Chinese leader give his first orders, stream continue

Tell the troops on the North Korean border to lock down the border ...
That would be these
SHENYANG (H-28 , G-24)
         4 Exp Armor Brigade
         6 Exp Motorised Brigades
         2 Grn Motorised Brigades
         1 Exp Infantry Brigades
         3 Grn Infantry Brigades
         2 Grn Art Brigades
         2 Exp SAM Brigade

Send in infatry reinforcements from I30 Jinan to H28
         2 Grn Motorised Brigades
         1 Exp Infantry Brigades
         3 Green Infantry Brigades
         2 Grn Artillery Brigades
         2 Exp SAM Brigades

Send to the Fleet via ELF (that’s transmission thru the earth slow but effective)
to report in what is going on out to sea via ELF transmissions..utilize a line of sight morse code and other older systems to get intell in and send up sorties of recon planes to bring back data ..do not enter Korean airspace and keep them contained..

Test the Urban civil defense drills

Approximately in 1 hour, the first reports start to appear:

Recon planes and ships report:

Flashes and atmospheric disruptions consistent with the use of nuclear weapons have been seen.

So, it’s happening. Full spread war with WMD use. Who started it, no matter now. Pilots and marines can not be faked, they see this with their own eyes. Stream shows video documents of actual events, filmed by digital and film cameras from planes and ships.

And shortly after that, another alerting news comes:

//FLASH//FLASH//FLASH///BEGIN PRIORITY MESSAGE FROM CENTRAL STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND////

RADAR AND VISUAL TELEMETRY FROM GROUND STATIONS HAVE CONFIRMED DETECTION OF  +100  HIGH ALTITUDE BOGEYS APPROACHING MAINLAND CHINA FROM MULTIPLE OVER-THE-HORIZON VECTORS. THREAT  ANALYSIS ASSESSMENT INDICATES BOGEYS ON BALLISTIC COURSE TOWARDS MULTIPLE CHINESE URBAN AND MILITARY CENTERS.

//END PRIORITY MESSAGE FROM CENTRAL STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND////


So, that’s it. Madman starts the war and launches nukes to all, and now is our turn. Our turn to be the victim. Probably other countries receive also same “message”, and some of them answered, consider our reports about nuclear afterglows behind the border.

China preparing to be hit by nukes, the following orders from high commandment are executed.

Set Mopp Level IV (all NBC gear worn ..all civilians to fallout shelters..)  in the following regions G-24, H-28, I 30, I 31, H27, and I29

Monitor for fallout drift (expect it to follow the north easterlies trade winds)

Contact the rest of the UN Security Council to share what intell we have and ask if they have anything further and will they need assistance with cleanup?

Video slows. “THEY”. “will they need assistance with cleanup….” Even in the face of imminent death, China leaders are caring about other nations and do not lose hope.

More alerting reports come:

///PRIORITY MESSAGE FROM CENTRAL STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND////

AS PER MESSAGE DATED 20:28 CODED #6, THREAT COUNT NOW AT 254 BOGEYS INBOUND. IMPACT IMMINENT AGAINST CHINESE URBAN AND MILITARY CENTERS. REQUESTING IMMEDIATE AUTHORITY FOR RELEASE OF RETALIATORY WMD STRIKE. GUIDANCE REQUESTED FOR TARGET SELECTION.

//END PRIORITY MESSAGE FROM CENTRAL STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND////


Well...this is the end. What you choose? WHAT YOU CHOOSE? NOW!!!!!!!! USA, Russia, Germany, France, what you choose in such moment???!!!!!! (Voiceover calms now)

Leaders give probably their last order:

Intercept and destroy Incomming ..Release Full spread on North Korean Military Targets repeat Military Targets only ...WMD release authorized ..
Have troops and Multirole go in to mop up those areas near the borders (G-24 owned by North Korea) Northern section of H-28 owned by North Korea…

And when we all were praying and waiting for our fate….stream shows running people, chaos and fear, fear in eyes even those, who were lucky to find shelter. Women holding their crying children, old man, who decide not to go anywhere…. Video is shaky, its clearly seen, that it filmed on mobile phones in different cities and places…

And we waiting for the strike, which we never deserve…
And the miracle happens… but not for all…..


You watch the tracking lines showing missiles coming in from all angles over the horizon as they arc towards your cities; you watch as those lines touch your precious, beautiful cites and all the human life in them that you swore to defend. You wait as calls and reports come in and nothing. Nothing happened. No mass death in China, no mushroom clouds over burning Chinese cities, no radiation in Chinese air, nothing. Just the dawning of another frantic, productive day in China. The only thing left on the screen is the Chinese strike against North Korea making their own arcing tracking lines towards their targets, which you notice is not quite set for the targets you had ordered them to be.

But this was not the end….

Before you can order an investigation another launch occurs, this time it is an unauthorized launch of a computer controlled bunker buster missile from a Chinese Naval ship that devastates one of your command node buildings, killing everyone inside. Ground stations record the explosion four of the jammers at the same time, no detectable wreckage. The corpses in the rubble of the command node are found to have died from the regular injuries you would expect from an explosion, but your people find a room full of corpses who seem to have died by electrocution due to a discharge from the battery in their ID badge devices. There is no way an ordinary device should be able to generate that much power, but the devices have been melted to slag. One visitor’s badge is discovered in the same room, discharged too, but no body is associated with it. A tech who left the facility in time says he saw in the facility a tall, thin white man wearing civilian clothes and speaking in English, a language the tech does not understand, to several of the officers. He also says there was a blond white woman, who said nothing. What official computer logs and recordings, including security camera footage, that your people have been able to salvage, from on or offsite storage, show no such visitors, just the crew going about their duties. A search of unofficial records i.e. social media sites, etc, of the facility personal also has nothing about any such visitors.

The EM interference has ended, though Satellite Networks have suffered enough damage that they will have a status of IDLE for the rest of the Turn.




4 satellites was self-destructed, but 5 fail to do so and goes down to China territory in Lanzhou district. Immediately 8 Motorized brigade was thrown to an extensive search of pieces of evidence.

And other military alerts are followed!

Your SAM crews in southern China fire wildly at not one, but two, unauthorized objects engaging in a powered descent from orbit, eventually destroying the last one

Soon our forces reach the place of impact, and what we found was most shocking. No one believes it can be.

And today, now we want world to know, what we find those days.

Your teams eventually find the wreckage of an American cargo rocket and the corpses of armed American soldiers dressed in armoured spacesuits but still killed by explosion and impact. Your investigators find plenty of bits of human-made space debris scattered about the countryside, but nothing exceptional.

 Video shows how wreckage and bodies are gathered and transported to a military base, how DNA expertise are done, how each body is traced to real identity of American military personnel. Serial numbers are traced to its manufacturers.

These bodies and wreckages are still stored in our military facilities. All experts can visit and check all these facts by themselves.

All documentary is 100% true.

Now you can build your personal opinion about what happens, who is responsible, and what threats are awaiting us in future. If someone have any answers or comments, we gladly will hear it.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Also China will want to remind, that we have huge capacity for military excalation. Much more, than almost any country. Times more. If we will decide to strike someone - it would be end of the world, and there is no alliances, which can be able to prevent it.
And because we understand this, we try to do conversations. Looks like only few leaders able to understand this simple situation. We understand the importance of  demilitarisation. But looks like some leaders not. And instead of trying to find the way from this grim situation, they try to escalate.
Its the last chance for Australia and others to start normal negotiations and stop breaking threaties. Or consequences will be sad for all humanity.
Brazil
player, 19 posts
Thu 15 Apr 2021
at 23:52
  • msg #441

Short announcement

... Connecting...

1. Public announcements:
1.1. Sorry I will interrupt your discussion for a minute.
1.2. Brazil declares war on Argentina.
1.3. Brazil will continue destroying Argentinian military units until Argentina is ready to sign a non-agression pact with Brazil.
1.4. Please proceed.
1.5. Have a nice day!

... Disconnecting...
This message was last edited by the player at 23:58, Thu 15 Apr 2021.
Argentina
player, 5 posts
Fri 16 Apr 2021
at 00:20
  • msg #442

Short announcement

In reply to Brazil (msg # 441):

This demon attacks us!

Brazil cannot even muster the effort of finding a willing human puppet for its mechanical master. It is shameful to see that a nation of such "intelligence" must resort to war, yet it is not a war, for Brazil's army is large, so it can impose upon all of South America unmolested, this is a slaughter.

Argentina will not submit to the will of a machine, much less so when this machine resorts to violence as its first choice. We will be willing to open discussions once we can speak to a real human, one who is not simply a slave to their robot overlord and Brazil will not resort to murdering thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of innocents.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:59, Fri 16 Apr 2021.
China
player, 91 posts
Fri 16 Apr 2021
at 08:28
  • msg #443

Short announcement

In reply to Argentina (msg # 442):

As we remember, you was treating and insulting Brasil. You was telling, that Brasil government should be destroyed.
What consequences you was waiting after that?
You position yourself as aggressive enemy of the state. So, there is no "innosence" from Argentina side.
More to that - they want just to destroy your military, not capture land or change government. Ou. Wrong. They want non-aggression treaty from you. Sign it, and military operation will end without single gunshot.
And untill you continue, all losses from both sides will be partialy your fault, because you can end all this just with one light gesture with pen.
Argentina
player, 6 posts
Fri 16 Apr 2021
at 10:46
  • msg #444

Short announcement

In reply to China (msg # 443):

China is not a part of this encounter, nor our diplomacy.

Not to mention, China just threatened the world with nuclear armageddon, we are not about to take diplomatic advice from someone threatening to become a terrorist nation.
China
player, 92 posts
Fri 16 Apr 2021
at 12:59
  • msg #445

Short announcement

In reply to Argentina (msg # 444):

It's very interesting to hear this words from religious fanatic state )))
This message was last edited by the player at 13:02, Fri 16 Apr 2021.
Canada
player, 24 posts
Sat 24 Apr 2021
at 20:07
  • msg #446

Pacific Response

Be advised,

Australia, Canada, Japan, UK, and USA, will conduct the joint naval exercise Pacific Response in hex 3N33. Units not participating in the exercise must stay well clear of the exercise area.

Trespassers will be escorted out of the exercise area for their own safety as we will conduct live fire exercises. Lethal force will be used in self defense if trespassers fail to comply with given directions.

We will not tolerate any interference.
China
player, 93 posts
Sat 24 Apr 2021
at 21:00
  • msg #447

Pacific Response

In reply to Canada (msg # 446):

There is China destroyer in this hex. Before you. And it stay there. If any harm will be done to our unit, this would be considered as act of war, and all corresponding nations will be considered as aggressors. With all consequences.
Hex 3n33 is international waters, and all nations have all rights to be there.
That's all.
Let's see, who will start the war.
Australia
player, 27 posts
Sat 24 Apr 2021
at 21:15
  • msg #448

Pacific Response

In reply to China (msg # 447):

Act of war? Under the treaties China is dead set on enforcing, China would be committing an act of war by firing upon another nations military vessels in an announced wargame in international waters. These waters are not Chinese owned, as has been pointed out by China themselves.

Should China wish to be diplomatic, rather than waving its guns around, Australia will consider listening. Until that point, Australia refuses to recognize the threats. Australia has no issue with China watching the exercise at the safe distance of 1 hex away. Entry into the hex is a hostile manoeuvre and the destroyer will be given warnings before being fired upon in accordance with international law.

The destroyer is in 4N30, not 3N33. China's destroyer will need to move in during this war round. We request that China ceases its policy of interference.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:18, Sat 24 Apr 2021.
China
player, 94 posts
Sat 24 Apr 2021
at 21:59
  • msg #449

Pacific Response

In reply to Australia (msg # 448):

We are have no any treaties with Australia. You move yourself from this field. Such as Japan, Canada and UK.

Destroyer will move to this hex. If you attack it, all associated with this event partyes - Japan, Australia, Canada, UK and USA will receive consequences.

From that point China will recognize your unnamed alliance as "Destructors".

That's all.
Australia
player, 28 posts
Sat 24 Apr 2021
at 22:12
  • msg #450

Pacific Response

In reply to China (msg # 449):

So China officially declares war on our nations? None of our nations have left until 2076, per the treaties.
China
player, 95 posts
Sat 24 Apr 2021
at 22:57
  • msg #451

Pacific Response

In reply to Australia (msg # 450):

No, why?
Australia
player, 29 posts
Sat 24 Apr 2021
at 23:00
  • msg #452

Pacific Response

In reply to China (msg # 451):

The way China phrased it, China was threatening to interrupt an international training exercise and use it as an excuse for nuking several countries.

We're glad to know that China will follow international regulations and stay out.
China
player, 96 posts
Sat 24 Apr 2021
at 23:06
  • msg #453

Pacific Response

In reply to Australia (msg # 452):

You do not get it. Our ship WILL move to this hex. It's a free hex, we do not pass noone national border or territory. If our ship will be attacked, China will consider this event as act of war from your side. Very simple. Isn't it?
You can move your "exercises" to another location. Or cancel them.
China
player, 97 posts
Sat 24 Apr 2021
at 23:11
  • msg #454

Pacific Response

In reply to Australia (msg # 452):

It's interesting situation.

From China point of view - act of war it's when someone shoot, destroy or kill.

From your point of view - act of war is when someone move there, were you told not to move?

Very interesting and illustrative!
Australia
player, 30 posts
Sat 24 Apr 2021
at 23:22
  • msg #455

Re: Pacific Response

China:
In reply to Australia (msg # 452):

It's interesting situation.

From China point of view - act of war it's when someone shoot, destroy or kill.

From your point of view - act of war is when someone move there, were you told not to move?

Very interesting and illustrative!

We are simply protecting the crews of the Chinese destroyer division. If China wishes to sail through our exercise and gets hit by stray shells or missiles, it is China's fault and EXCLUSIVELY China's fault. Australia will be happy to rescue and return any such crews caught in the crossfire by sailing into the firing line.
China
player, 98 posts
Sat 24 Apr 2021
at 23:38
  • msg #456

Re: Pacific Response

In reply to Australia (msg # 455):

If you so peaceful and care about security and other sailors lives, move "exercises" to another location. Preferably inside your or Japan, or USA, Canada and UK national borders.
Australia
player, 31 posts
Sat 24 Apr 2021
at 23:52
  • msg #457

Re: Pacific Response

In reply to China (msg # 456):

The nations party to this exercise planned this before China decided to move its destroyer.

The potential destruction of a Chinese military vessel is low on Australia's priority list, to be quite frank. It will not be moved, China has been more than adequately warned, repeatedly. We have vessels capable of rescuing the sailors if need be. Perhaps China should stop trying to follow and harass Japanese civilians, and maybe sit down and think about this.
China
player, 99 posts
Sun 25 Apr 2021
at 00:07
  • msg #458

Re: Pacific Response

In reply to Australia (msg # 457):

1. Actually orders to move to this hex was given BEFORE you inform about your games.
2. We see there is some PROTO members. Your "exercises" was planned and discussed with PROTO alliance?
3. China have right to send their ships in any international waters.

At this point your actions are totally against international and maritime law.
But we not wander about this. You exit all this laws and treaties with your friends. And form DESTRUCTOR alliance.
Australia
player, 32 posts
Sun 25 Apr 2021
at 00:25
  • msg #459

Re: Pacific Response

In reply to China (msg # 458):

There is only one PROTO member, that being Australia. Japan is not an official member of PROTO.

Australia and the nations conducting the exercise, are simply conducting an exercise. Whether the ravings of a nuclear armed nation gone off the hinges for a second time disagrees or not is not Australia's problem.

If China starts targeting their ICBMs, may we suggest the desert tiles in 3S31 and 4S32? Lakes would be a great benefit if we ever decide to go through with a canal project.
China
player, 100 posts
Sun 25 Apr 2021
at 00:51
  • msg #460

Re: Pacific Response

In reply to Australia (msg # 459):

Thank you for suggestion.

From our side we will want help you to remember old proverb.

Do not start those things, which you can not end.
France
player, 20 posts
Sun 25 Apr 2021
at 00:56
  • msg #461

Re: Pacific Response

In reply to China (msg # 460):

it seems likely that you are both starting something that will end us all

Is there any option for calm, or is this the end of us all?
Australia
player, 33 posts
Sun 25 Apr 2021
at 01:01
  • msg #462

Re: Pacific Response

In reply to France (msg # 461):

IF China is willing to sit down and talk, rather than threaten nuclear armageddon and bully nations incapable of fighting back, Australia is happy to sit down and talk.

However, China has shown no interest in this, so Australia is not going to sit back and take it.
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