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Germany
player, 386 posts
Sat 5 May 2018
at 12:58
  • msg #138

Re: Turkish/Armenian border clashes

USA:
In reply to Russia (msg # 135):

Circumstances have prompted us to issue the following statement:

In light of the prevailing circumstances between Turkey and Armenia we wish to remind the international community that the United States takes it's commitment as a member of NATO incredibly seriously, and that NATO's commitment to mutual defence to counter any aggression from external threat remains strong and unwavering.

An attack against one is an attack against all.

We will act to counter any attack against any member

we will not permit aggression against any member to go unanswered

We hope for a peaceful resolution and call for calm, and the immediate cessation of clashes along the Turkish/Armenian border.


Germany supports this statement
Saudi Arabia
player, 44 posts
Sat 5 May 2018
at 13:45
  • msg #139

Re: Turkish/Armenian border clashes

Since 2040, in order to protect the Iraqi Sunni population and to avoid the Iraqi sectarian government (which, BTW, did not move a finger to fight IC when occupied part of its own territory) to perform what appeared to be the beginning of a genocide against them, Saudi troops occupied western Iraq and are now administrating it on the basis of their people’s will.

Saudi troops and government have begun reconstruction operations there, with the goal to stabilize the zone and allow the many refugees in Saudi Arabia to return home, but Canada involvement has prompted the sectarian Iraqi government to attack us and to hinder our reconstruction of the zone.

The same Canada that blessed the Sykes-Picot agreement that established unstable borders in the zone…

The same Canada that blesses the Israeli occupation of Palestine, with the lasting destruction of its infrastructures and mistreatment of its population…

The same Canada that did not help us in the fight against IC…

So, as much as we hate to take this move, we have no option left but to see Canada as hostile. In consequence:
  1. Saudi embassy in Ottawa is closed. Saudi personnel will leave Canada ASAP.
  2. Canadian embassy in Riyadh is also closed. Canadian personnel has 48 hours to leave Saudi Arabia. The building itself will be sealed or (at Canada option) be left under care of any other country we both can agree (US or UK would be acceptable for us).
  3. All Canadian companies’ assets are seized by the Saudi government. We hope they will be returned when Canada comes to its senses.
  4. All Canadian nationals in Saudi Arabia are given 7 days to leave it or be taken interned in champs to avoid spies (exception: Canadian personnel belonging to humanitarian NGOs will just be expelled to a neutral country). Their personal belongings they have no time to recover will be sent where they ask them to.
  5. No Canadian national will be allowed into Saudi Arabia for the duration of the crisis (some exceptions may be given to Canadian Muslims performing their pilgrimage to Mecca, if they can show they cannot postpone it. This will be seen in a case-by-case basis. To this end we ask Canadian government to allow the consulates in Ottawa, Montreal and Vancouver to remain open. If not, we’ll see to take care of those cases thorough any other GCC country consulates).
  6. Saudi airspace is closed to Canadian airplanes, be them civilian or military.
  7. Any Canadian ship in the Gulf of Arabia has 5 days to leave it. Any such ship seen on it not heading for the Ormuz straits will be seized. Any resistance will be met by lethal force by Saudi fleet and air forces.
  8. Saudi Arabia warns Canada against allowing the Iraqis to use their satellites for military use. If we have any proof they are using them, they will be seen as legitimate targets.


In the Iraqi front:
  1. The port of Basra is blockaded for the duration of the crisis. Any freighter trying to enter or leave it will be searched by the Saudi Navy. Humanitarian help will be allowed, but if they carry any military or double use cargo they will be seized. No exports will be allowed when leaving Basra. Resistance will be met with lethal force. No tanker will be allowed into it.
  2. Saudi Arabia asks for a 10 km truce area around Najaf to allow the Shiite Muslims pilgrimage to it from any side of the border. If this is abused by Iraqi forces, this will be no longer.
  3. Saudi Arabia pledges not to cross the current border with Iraq unless forced to. No offensive actions will be taken, but the border will be defended to allow reconstruction and keep its people safe.


To other countries:
  1. We ask ACNUR help to care the many refugees this crisis (and Yemeni one) are creating, as our efforts to allow them to return home need some more time and are hindered by this crisis.
  2. We ask our common allies with Canada to mediate in this crisis, as we believe a full war can still be avoided.
  3. Saudi Arabia restates its intent to stabilize the zone and keep it peaceful, and denounces Canadian interference as the cause of more suffering and instability.
  4. Saudi Arabia restates we have no quarrel with Iraqi or Canadian people, but their governments seem to be willing to avoid stability in the zone.
  5. Saudi Arabia apologizes any inconvenience all this measures (taken against our own will)  produce on uninvolved parties.


OOC: I know this will have little to none efecto in the game (aside from some obvious ones and a probable relations change), being mostly color. Any such effect is left to the referee.
Russia
player, 41 posts
Mon 7 May 2018
at 08:28
  • msg #140

Turkish/Armenian border clashes

In reply to USA (msg # 136):

Russia declares, that since Armenia is a member of ODKB, any hostile military units attempting to cross Armenian border will be considered as agression against ODKB and will be pushed back by Russian forces.

Being said that, Russia discourages any offensive actions of both Turkish and Armenian forces. Russia insists on peaceful resolution of the conflict.

Being said that, Russia demands that NATO does not turn a blind eye to evidence of atrocities against ethnic Armenians within Turkish borders. Russia demands that international peacekeepers and observers were allowed into uprising areas in Turkey. Russia demands that NATO will not be used as a smoke screen for ethnical cleansing in Turkey.
Germany
player, 387 posts
Mon 7 May 2018
at 18:22
  • msg #141

Re: Turkish/Armenian border clashes

Russia:
In reply to USA (msg # 136):

Russia declares, that since Armenia is a member of ODKB, any hostile military units attempting to cross Armenian border will be considered as agression against ODKB and will be pushed back by Russian forces.


Any NATO support is defensive. Ofensive wars are outside NATO treaty.

We suggest to complete the deployment of Australian and Nigerian peacekeepers that Armenia refused and you so kindly lodged for now.

Russia:
Being said that, Russia discourages any offensive actions of both Turkish and Armenian forces. Russia insists on peaceful resolution of the conflict.


Germany fully support this Russian statement

Russia:
Being said that, Russia demands that NATO does not turn a blind eye to evidence of atrocities against ethnic Armenians within Turkish borders. Russia demands that international peacekeepers and observers were allowed into uprising areas in Turkey. Russia demands that NATO will not be used as a smoke screen for ethnical cleansing in Turkey.


Germany suggest to créate an international commission on this under the command of the International Penal Court. We discard ourselves (or any NATO members as Turkish allies) for this, and we ask you (or any ODKB memeger, as Armenian allies) to also discard yourselves for this.

China, Brazil, Indonesia or BRazil would be aceptable for Germany, but others may also be if you so suggest.
Nordic Federation
player, 20 posts
Mon 7 May 2018
at 23:10
  • msg #142

Re: Turkish/Armenian border clashes

In reply to Germany (msg # 141):

The Nordic Federation support the German proposal.

As a member of Nato, any and all support to Turkey is strictly of defensive nature, would be limited to Turkey territory.

Nordic Federation support the deployment of Blue Helmet peacekeeper to Armenia, Australian and Nigerian, under the United Nations Organisation (UNO) umbrella.
Nigeria
player, 11 posts
Mon 7 May 2018
at 23:13
  • msg #143

Re: Turkish/Armenian border clashes

In reply to Germany (msg # 141):

Nigeria is ready to deploy a Motorized Rifles brigade to Armenia, barring the UNO and Armenia support the deployment of said brigade.

Our brigade are already in Russian territory, waiting only for the approval.

Nigeria ask for a vote of UNO.
Germany
player, 390 posts
Sun 13 May 2018
at 18:20
  • msg #144

Re: Turkish/Armenian border clashes

Viweing current situation, Germany guesses is time to bump this old dicussion:

Russia:
Russia calls United Nations Security Council*, and offers to vote on following topics:

1) Nigeria, China and Australia receive mandate of UN peacekeepers in the area of Armenians’ uprising in Turkey. They are allowed to use force as necessary to ensure truce and enhance peaceful resolution. (Turkey and Armenia are invited as additional non-permanent members of UNSC for this vote).
OOC:
* The real rules of UNSC non-permanent membership are complicated, and Council is capped at 15 members. For the sake of The Game, if other Players do not object, I would offer that in-game UNSC consists of Player Countries, and is not capped at 15, and veto rule of 5 permanent members still remains.


As already said then, Germany is favorable to the deploying of UN peacekeepers in the borders and observers (or a UN Human Rights Comitee investigation) in the affected zones.
Germany
player, 403 posts
Mon 16 Jul 2018
at 10:07
  • msg #145

China defaulting Korean peace agreements

Germany formally condemns Chinese decision not to abide the agreements reached after the Korean crisis and sees it as a default to the peace terms.

In consequence, Chinese participation in the Beltstrike project is frozen and temporary seized by German Government and any profit it could belong to China would be diverted to Korea for as long as China defults this treaty, while further sanctions are being studied by German Government.
Russia
player, 51 posts
Mon 16 Jul 2018
at 13:05
  • msg #146

China defaulting Korean peace agreements

Armenia submitted to Russian ultimatum and stopped attacks.
As Russia declared before and confirms once again, if Armenia will attempt to attack Turkey, Russian Forces will confront Armenian military and thwart aggression.
In this situation, NATO has already achieved its declared goal - protection of ally, and further attempts of NATO to occupy Armenia despite Russian guarantees will look like aggressive war and will lead to unnecessary casualties. Resources, spent by NATO on military operations in Armenia are already bigger than needed to resolve this conflict peacefully.

Russia demands that all forces in the region ceased fire and returned to diplomatic talks.

Russia fully supports UN attempts to stabilize situation, welcomes UN peacekeepers and thanks Germany and Nigeria for active commitment. Also Russia invites German peacekeepers in the region, despite German’s allegiance to NATO. Russia declares that if peacekeepers will be attacked, Russian Military will protect them.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:11, Mon 16 July 2018.
USA
player, 93 posts
Mon 16 Jul 2018
at 13:34
  • msg #147

Re: China defaulting Korean peace agreements

The stated goal of NATO is the prosecution of a defensive war declared against the alliance by a belligerent nation.

NATO's stated aim is, and always has been, to defend itself against an attack - Armenia declared war against NATO and this means preventing the attacker from having the ability to attack again. Armenia attacked a member of the NATO alliance - a unilateral action that did not involve Russia and that has put them in a terrible position! Armenia, in its actions, has demonstrated it is not the friend of Russia or of the international community at large.

Armenia has not yet surrendered - and as such until it does a state of war exists between NATO and Armenia. This is a situation Armenia has caused and one that we will see brought to an end.

Russia troops must either remove themselves from Armenia or they will find themselves in an active war-zone if Armenia does not surrender immediately!

This is not a conflict that NATO wanted, nor is it one we sought, but US forces will be moving in along side Turkish and allied forces to prosecute this war against Armenia and to force them to surrender! If Russian forces act against NATO units or act to support the belligerent Armenian government then they will be considered hostile unit, they will be engaged by our forces and they will be destroyed!

I say again, either Armenia surrenders to Turkey and NATO now, or Russia must withdraw its troops to avoid this escalating beyond its current status. Until such time as Armenia surrenders there is a state of war between them and us.

We warned you this would happen! We warned the world this would happen! We told you we would defend our allies if they were attacked and despite all of this Armenia has attempted to plunge the world into war by latching onto the Russian government and trying to drag them into a conflict that is the sole creation of Armenia.
USA
player, 94 posts
Mon 16 Jul 2018
at 14:01
  • msg #148

The Iraq Question

In reply to USA (msg # 147):

Wire Report - Surprise US Foreign Policy Shift

In what is being widely rumoured to be a triumph of Saudi diplomacy the US State department has, essentially, endorsed their invasion of Iraq!

Secretary Sullivan stated earlier today in an official press briefing on the situation

"The situation in Iraq is not tenable - its existence is owed only to the post-colonial borders drawn up by people with no concern for local mores, culture or history.
Iraq, as a nation, has not worked for many years, and the continuing unrest and dissent within that nation is testament to the poison legacy of the post colonial era. The southern regions have begged the Saudi government to protect them from government oppression, the Kurdish regions have suffered greatly under successive Iraqi governments and their peoples too cry out to be rescued by their own people in Kurdistan!
For the sake of a lasting peace in the region we cannot support the continuation of Iraq in it's current form. The Saudi intervention can only be viewed as positive for the region and any intervention by Kurdistan to give greater voice to those ethnic Kurds who have long felt oppressed by the central government in Baghdad and would be of no concern to us at all"

In answer to a question from reporters asking if this meant the US would take any action if fresh Saudi offences were to being or if Kurdish forces became involved in Iraq Secretary Sullivan simply answered "No, we will not take any action and would not be concerned by such action"

Saudi officials declined to comment today but Kurdish military officials stated that the American position was "Common sense" and demonstrated a real understanding of the problems facing the region, in direct contrast to many other Western nations.
Russia
player, 52 posts
Mon 16 Jul 2018
at 14:12
  • msg #149

Re: China defaulting Korean peace agreements

USA:
I say again, either Armenia surrenders to Turkey and NATO now, or Russia must withdraw its troops to avoid this escalating beyond its current status.

...

We warned you this would happen!


No, you told me another thing.
You told me that you are not willing to escalate, and accepted that Russia locks itself into defensive position, restricting Armenia from attacks. Russia did that and even more.
If you attack now, it will be plain escalation.
USA
player, 96 posts
Mon 16 Jul 2018
at 14:16
  • msg #150

Re: China defaulting Korean peace agreements

In reply to Russia (msg # 149):

No, we told you that if neither you or Armenia attacked then we would not attack - we said we would not escalate but we would defend ourselves and our allies

Armenia attacked - they declared war on us - now they reap as they have sown.
Russia
player, 53 posts
Mon 16 Jul 2018
at 14:39
  • msg #151

Re: China defaulting Korean peace agreements

In reply to USA (msg # 150):

quote:
we said we would not escalate but we would defend ourselves and our allies


Now you are going to attack, not to defend.
USA
player, 97 posts
Mon 16 Jul 2018
at 14:52
  • msg #152

Re: China defaulting Korean peace agreements

In reply to Russia (msg # 151):

During the second world war should the forces opposing Hitler have stopped at the borders of Germany? Armenia declared war on us.
Russia
player, 54 posts
Mon 16 Jul 2018
at 14:54
  • msg #153

Re: China defaulting Korean peace agreements

In reply to USA (msg # 152):

This is not WW2 and Armenia is not a Hitler.
Considering that Armenia ceased fire, and ready to peace talks, your attack is not necessary to defend Turkey.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:56, Mon 16 July 2018.
Russia
player, 55 posts
Mon 16 Jul 2018
at 17:59
  • msg #154

Re: Armenian crisis

quote:
This is not a conflict that NATO wanted, nor is it one we sought


Is that true?.. Is that true about every member of NATO - like, for example, Turkey?
Russia has been inviting Turkey in UNSC for five years or more, yet we didn't hear their answers about what was going on.
Let us hear what their peace terms are? And looking at their terms we will see who was a real warmonger here.
***
Russian ambassador calls UNSC meeting, invites both Turkish and Armenian representatives, asks Turkey what peace terms do they request from Armenia, and waits for answers.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:01, Mon 16 July 2018.
Germany
player, 404 posts
Mon 16 Jul 2018
at 18:09
  • msg #155

Re: Armenian crisis

Russia:
quote:
This is not a conflict that NATO wanted, nor is it one we sought


Is that true?.. Is that true about every member of NATO - like, for example, Turkey?
Russia has been inviting Turkey in UNSC for five years or more, yet we didn't hear their answers about what was going on.
Let us hear what their peace terms are? And looking at their terms we will see who was a real warmonger here.


Not that Armenia had any hurry to sit in the same table... ITTR Armenia didn't allow Nigerian and Australian interposition forces to deploy on the border either...

And the organized partisan/terrorist activity inside Turkey seems to hint Armenia had been planning for it for some time before attacking, probably hiding this to you too...
Russia
player, 56 posts
Mon 16 Jul 2018
at 18:16
  • msg #156

Re: Armenian crisis

In reply to Germany (msg # 155):

quote:
Not that Armenia had any hurry to sit in the same table


Well they did a lot of talks all around the world, demonstrating at least some proof.
But it is offtopic - let us just hear what peace terms are.
Nigeria
player, 12 posts
Wed 18 Jul 2018
at 01:35
  • msg #157

Re: Armenian crisis

In reply to Russia (msg # 156):

The Nigeria is reinstating its willingness to be part of a peace mission, but with a United Nation Organisation Security Council (UNOSC) mandate, and with the Armenian, Russian and Turkish autorisation.

What are we waiting to get that vote on?

OOC: Who's making the UNOSC vote call?
Nordic Federation
player, 23 posts
Wed 18 Jul 2018
at 01:36
  • msg #158

Re: Armenian crisis

In reply to Russia (msg # 156):

The Nordic Federation also support a peace treaty and the dispatch of a strong peacemaking mission in Armenia.
Canada
player, 7 posts
Wed 18 Jul 2018
at 05:27
  • msg #159

Re: The Iraq Question

USA:
In reply to USA (msg # 147):

Wire Report - Surprise US Foreign Policy Shift

In what is being widely rumoured to be a triumph of Saudi diplomacy the US State department has, essentially, endorsed their invasion of Iraq!


Are you insane?!?!?! Did you think of what the consequences are of what you have just unleashed?!?!? Has world peace, leadership of the free world and the long friendship of Canada meant so little to you that you would do such a thing?!?!?!? Were you bought off by promises of oil? It was, wasn't it?
This message was last edited by the player at 05:41, Wed 18 July 2018.
Referee
GM, 116 posts
Wed 18 Jul 2018
at 05:41
  • msg #160

Re: The Iraq Question

USA:
In reply to USA (msg # 147):

Wire Report - Surprise US Foreign Policy Shift

Secretary Sullivan stated earlier today in an official press briefing on the situation

"For the sake of a lasting peace in the region we cannot support the continuation of Iraq in it's current form. The Saudi intervention can only be viewed as positive for the region and any intervention by Kurdistan to give greater voice to those ethnic Kurds who have long felt oppressed by the central government in Baghdad and would be of no concern to us at all"

In answer to a question from reporters asking if this meant the US would take any action if fresh Saudi offences were to being or if Kurdish forces became involved in Iraq Secretary Sullivan simply answered "No, we will not take any action and would not be concerned by such action"


Kurdistan says: <appearing on a stage with USA Secretary Sullivan in the background> Thank you Secretary Sullivan, your wise words have been a great comfort to the all Kurdish peoples, especially those suffering in Iraqi chains! The government of Kurdistan is extremely pleased to announce that the USA have begun the transfer of 4 entire divisions worth of equipment and supplies to the army of Kurdistan which we will immediately put to great use in the liberation of Kurdish peoples from the genocidal grip of the blooddrenched Iraqi government.
Russia
player, 57 posts
Wed 18 Jul 2018
at 08:39
  • msg #161

Re: Armenian crisis

In reply to Nigeria (msg # 157):

quote:
OOC: Who's making the UNOSC vote call?


OOC:
I guess it is up to players. Also UNSC has complex system of permanent and non-permanent members; for the purpose of the game and simplicity, my offer is that all active players were considered as non-permanent members.

IC:
Russian sources inform that Turkish "peace term" is total conquest of Armenia, and they use provocations and NATO as screen to achieve that using formal cause that Armenia attacked first. May be other NATO countries are involved in the scheme too. That also explains why Turkey still keeps silence. Russia will consider it as true, unless Turkey declares another peace terms in UN.

Russia calls UNSC (UPD: and identical in UNGA) vote:
1) NATO, Russia, Turkey and Armenia must cease fire immediately.
2) Peacekeepers of UN, including but not limiting to Nigeria and Germany (and Nordic federation as soon as they declare peace to Armenia), to be sent in the region.
3) Fate of Armenia decided by further UNSC decision.

Russian vote:
1) yes
2) yes
3) yes
This message was last edited by the player at 12:18, Wed 18 July 2018.
Germany
player, 406 posts
Wed 18 Jul 2018
at 10:45
  • msg #162

Re: Armenian crisis

Russia:
In reply to Nigeria (msg # 157):

quote:
OOC: Who's making the UNOSC vote call?


Russian sources inform that Turkish "peace term" is total conquest of Armenia, and they use provocations and NATO as screen to achieve that using formal cause that Armenia attacked first. May be other NATO countries are involved in the scheme too. That also explains why Turkey still keeps silence. Russia will consider it as true, unless Turkey declares another peace terms in UN.

Russia calls UNSC vote:
1) NATO, Russia, Turkey and Armenia must cease fire immediately.
2) Peacekeepers of UN, including but not limiting to Nigeria and Germany (and Nordic federation as soon as they declare peace to Armenia), to be sent in the region.
3) Fate of Armenia decided by further UNSC decision.

Russian vote:
1) yes
2) yes
3) yes


From UN charter, Chapter V: the Security Council; Article 27:

quote:
3) Decisions of the Security Council on all other matters shall be made by an affirmative vote of nine members including the concurring votes of the permanent members; provided that, in decisions under Chapter VI, and under paragraph 3 of Article 52, a party to a dispute shall abstain from voting
.(bold added for reference)

Under this basis, and being (albeit unwillingly) party in the dispute, Germany forfeits his vote.

For the same reasons, Germany declines the offer to participate in any UN peacekeeping forcé in this conflicto.
This message was last edited by the player at 10:48, Wed 18 July 2018.
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