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Historical Interval 2030-2034.

Posted by GM AndreasFor group 0
GM Andreas
Fri 5 Sep 2014
at 18:41
  • msg #4

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Germany:
Can we asume all the Combat Damaged units are returned to full power at the begining of th turn (off course, with the pertinent SU cost)?

Yes
Germany:
I understand the comercial Space assets are for renting for whoever need them, and aside from the ones players have. Am I right on this?

Yes
Germany:
I'm not sure what do you mean here: are you asking each of us to do this in 1-2 countries?

Yes, if you feel you want to and have the time. It is voluntary.
Germany:
If so, will you assign us the countries to avoid mix-ups?

If you wish, or just choose one yourself. First come first served. Let me and the players know (by posting here) which one you picked to avoid mix-ups.
Germany
player, 117 posts
Sat 6 Sep 2014
at 07:56
  • msg #5

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

In reply to GM Andreas (msg # 4):

Is Sol_earth spreadsheet to be actualized or we should use 20140521 for relations/stability/prestige/etc. for 2030-34 turn?
GM Andreas
Sat 6 Sep 2014
at 13:57
  • msg #6

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Germany:
In reply to GM Andreas (msg # 4):

Is Sol_earth spreadsheet to be actualized or we should use 20140521 for relations/stability/prestige/etc. for 2030-34 turn?

New on the way.
GMDirector
GM, 1 post
Mon 8 Sep 2014
at 13:46
  • msg #7

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

In reply to GM Andreas (msg # 6):
Test
"GMDirector" is the new GM signature. In the event of a GM change, the new GM will just take over this account. Mind you, I intend to stay for a while.../Andreas

EDIT: Nope that didn´t work. The tag will be Referee, same as before (except for when I forget). I have deleted the Iran character and you can direct any email to Japan or Referee.
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:15, Tue 09 Sept 2014.
Referee
NPC, 75 posts
Sat 29 Nov 2014
at 23:16
  • msg #8

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

In reply to GMDirector (msg # 7):

ok, so the budgets have been emailed out.

Here is some general info:
-Update your Military lists to reflect current deployment (to the Middle East and elsewhere) for proper calculation of extra SU needed.
-The world Oil supply was short even before the mess in the Middle East started and the trend is worsening.
-James has dropped out. USA will be played by Liam (at least for this turn).

Individual emails will follow, but don´t wait for it, get started.

Deadline for turning in budgets and turnorders are in 10 days on december 9, 1300 hours UTC.

If you have turn or country specific questions please email me, for secret rules questions email Kelvin. For general questions please use the forum: http://tgw.awbep.com/xmb/
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 51 posts
Thu 13 Aug 2015
at 06:24
  • msg #9

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Good morning! Summer vacation is over, for me at least, time to get back to some serious play!

Hrumm, let us see how much I remember....

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The situation with the insurgency in Azerbaijan is bad, but quick Russian action to arrest leaders, seize weapons, pressure local authorities to do their job, etc have done much to quell the size of the insurgency and keep order. Your intelligence agencies estimate that there are about 8 brigades worth of Reserve Quality infantry and 1 brigade of Experienced Quality Motorized (a defecting government unit). This is still enough to seriously disrupt supplies going to NATO forces fighting the Islamic Caliphate. Hardly cut off, but enough to make combat operations difficult.

The Islamic Caliphate is holding on, you intelligence agencies estimate that they have approximately
3 Green Motorized Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
11 Reserve Infantry Brigades (Stealth Ability, various militia)   
2 Green SAM Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)
3 Green Infantry Brigades (ex-Syrian and Iraqi units)       
The ICs real force is in its global network of fanatical supporters and the WMDs (chemical, so far) it gives them.

Egypt is mostly limping along but things could also break down completely at any moment. If you are going to do something to influence what is going on there now would be an excellent time to start.

The Syrians are lately not doing a good job of communications security, probably too much else on their mind, the internet is rife with rumors and video clips of panicked meetings&communications between Syria and Russia.
Combat Cycle Ref
GM, 55 posts
Fri 28 Aug 2015
at 04:51
  • msg #10

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

I have waited long enough and given them plenty of chances but it is time to declare that Chris, Max and Richard have withdrawn from the game. Israel, Iran, Argentina and the Nordic Federation will be run by me, the Combat Cycle Ref, until a new player can be found for them. Fortunately Chris at least did leave with some orders for the immediate future and I will be holding true to them. Liam, I hope you will continue running the USA for the foreseeable future.

We have enough people to finish off the Turn but it is definitely time to start canvassing your gamer friends for new players. Invite them to look at what we are achieving right now. The beginning of next Turn would be an excellent time for a new comer to formally start.

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The Islamic Caliphate continues its global campaign of terror against basically the entire world. Suicide bombings, shootings by 'lone wolf' gunman, attacks with small homemade or stolen Syrian chemical weapons, destruction of cultural artifacts , etc continue. Israel has ordered a full mobilization to deal with the threats. The panic in Syria is the ruling class apparently convinced that this means an invasion by Israel to destroy the Syria government, Israel's biggest rival, is imminent and many are clamoring to escape to Russia. The Israeli government has reiterated that it will not rule out any action necessary to defend Israel.

India and Russia have declared that they are enforcing an embargo of Iran over its continued foot dragging, the Iranians say 'internal differences' and that 'progress has been made', in handing over its WMDs and full compliance with the peace terms as dictated by India over the ME2028 conflict.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:52, Fri 28 Aug 2015.
Referee
GM, 77 posts
Tue 1 Sep 2015
at 05:25
  • msg #11

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Combat Cycle Ref:
time to declare that Chris, Max and Richard have withdrawn from the game.

I will send a last email and if no response comes forth before tomorrow morning 2015nov02 0900 UTC these changes go into effect./Andreas
Germany
player, 125 posts
Tue 1 Sep 2015
at 10:35
  • msg #12

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Referee:
Combat Cycle Ref:
time to declare that Chris, Max and Richard have withdrawn from the game.

I will send a last email and if no response comes forth before tomorrow morning 2015nov02 0900 UTC these changes go into effect./Andreas


November or September?
Referee
GM, 78 posts
Tue 1 Sep 2015
at 20:26
  • msg #13

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Germany:
Referee:
Combat Cycle Ref:
time to declare that Chris, Max and Richard have withdrawn from the game.

I will send a last email and if no response comes forth before tomorrow morning 2015nov02 0900 UTC these changes go into effect./Andreas


November or September?

Crap. September ofcourse. Crap.
Referee
GM, 79 posts
Wed 2 Sep 2015
at 09:11
  • msg #14

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Referee:
Combat Cycle Ref:
time to declare that Chris, Max and Richard have withdrawn from the game.

I will send a last email and if no response comes forth before tomorrow morning 2015nov02 0900 UTC these changes go into effect./Andreas

Max and Richard have not responded so are out.
I am taking over for Chris the rest of this turn although he may rejoin us at a later date for subsequent turns.
/Andreas, GM
Referee
GM, 80 posts
Wed 2 Sep 2015
at 09:22
  • msg #15

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

I will take over and run Israel, Iran and also run Azerbaijan (+rebels) and Georgia.
Lluis can you retake Nordic Federation?
Liam please confirm that you will keep USA.
I think we can leave Argentine for now.

Kelvin will keep running things as before atleast for the end of this turn.
Kelvin for clarity´s sake would you please state what you need the players to do to get things resolved?
/Andreas, GM
Referee
GM, 81 posts
Wed 2 Sep 2015
at 09:41
  • msg #16

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

In reply to Referee (msg # 15):

Israel:
1) declare war on The Caliphate/Islamic State/ISIS.
2) openly support a Kurdish State politically and with massive logistical and military support, including air and ground troops on Kurd controlled land to fight ISIS.
3) military units bomb ISIS and invade ISIS controlled territory in Syria. Not Assad held territory.
4) ease up on Palestinian territory sanctions and blockades and triple all civilian aid (medical supplies, education etc).
5) answer attacks from palestinian areas as harshly as ever.
6) Informally make clear that if Palestinian attacks increase during the ISIS war, the entire Palestinian territory will be bulldozed and the population evicted into the Sinai or elsewhere.
7) informs allies after the fact. No more discussions.
/Andreas, as Israel
Japan
GM, 51 posts
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 07:56
  • msg #17

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Referee:
In reply to Referee (msg # 15):

Israel:
1) declare war on The Caliphate/Islamic State/ISIS.
2) openly support a Kurdish State politically and with massive logistical and military support, including air and ground troops on Kurd controlled land to fight ISIS.
3) military units bomb ISIS and invade ISIS controlled territory in Syria. Not Assad held territory.
4) ease up on Palestinian territory sanctions and blockades and triple all civilian aid (medical supplies, education etc).
5) answer attacks from palestinian areas as harshly as ever.
6) Informally make clear that if Palestinian attacks increase during the ISIS war, the entire Palestinian territory will be bulldozed and the population evicted into the Sinai or elsewhere.
7) informs allies after the fact. No more discussions.
/Andreas, as Israel

From Israels ambassador: Dear Germany and other allies, the above is happening as we speak (except 6, yet...). We understand you have issues. Israel is listening but the tanks have crossed into Syria. We need to stop IC. Why should Israel turn back?
/Andreas, Israel

GM Andreas says:
Israel had done several similar exercises and maneuvers before and stopped short of the border, now they rolled across it, catching everyone by surprise. Lluis: Kelvin and I have thought about your arguments and decided the attack stands as a surprise. Let us accept that successful surprise attacks occur despite massive intelligence efforts and move on.

I may have been unclear before: The presentation of Israels 7 point plan was by Andreas playing Israel, not GM Andreas. The CombatCycleRef Kelvin will still handle the combat.
This message was last edited by the GM at 08:02, Thu 03 Sept 2015.
Germany
player, 126 posts
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 11:10
  • msg #18

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Japan:
I may have been unclear before: The presentation of Israels 7 point plan was by Andreas playing Israel, not GM Andreas. The CombatCycleRef Kelvin will still handle the combat.


I understood that were Israeli ordersn ,not GM's

Japan:
Referee:
In reply to Referee (msg # 15):

Israel:
1) declare war on The Caliphate/Islamic State/ISIS.
2) openly support a Kurdish State politically and with massive logistical and military support, including air and ground troops on Kurd controlled land to fight ISIS.
3) military units bomb ISIS and invade ISIS controlled territory in Syria. Not Assad held territory.
4) ease up on Palestinian territory sanctions and blockades and triple all civilian aid (medical supplies, education etc).
5) answer attacks from palestinian areas as harshly as ever.
6) Informally make clear that if Palestinian attacks increase during the ISIS war, the entire Palestinian territory will be bulldozed and the population evicted into the Sinai or elsewhere.
7) informs allies after the fact. No more discussions.
/Andreas, as Israel

From Israels ambassador: Dear Germany and other allies, the above is happening as we speak (except 6, yet...). We understand you have issues. Israel is listening but the tanks have crossed into Syria. We need to stop IC. Why should Israel turn back?
/Andreas, Israel

GM Andreas says:
Israel had done several similar exercises and maneuvers before and stopped short of the border, now they rolled across it, catching everyone by surprise. Lluis: Kelvin and I have thought about your arguments and decided the attack stands as a surprise. Let us accept that successful surprise attacks occur despite massive intelligence efforts and move on.


This seems to be depicted as if Israel lauches its surprise attack while all the rest are still in their assembly areas/jumping points waiting for the jump in orders, while there have been fight in the zone for some time already.

As I understand it, IC has been for some months under air interdiction by the NFZ keepers (mostly Germany, UK and US, as I understood Russia and Saudis keep it over Iran). Also as I understand it, NFZ means that any non biological flying it without proper IFF or clearence is called "target".

As I don't believe Israel would launch such an opperation without air power support, where would all that lead?

Most likely outcome, IMHO:

quote:
Flight leader: Command, we detect large numbers of intruders entering the NFZ. Negative IFF, repeat, negative IFF!
Command: Flight leader, stand by. To unidentified airplanes: You are entering a NFZ. You're warned to turn arround or be seen as hostiles.
Flight leader: They keep advancing, Command.
Command: Reserve units: Scramble. Keeping units: engage
Flight leader. Roger, command. Tally-ho
...


Edited for typos and adding dome details to the drama.
This message was last edited by the player at 11:42, Thu 03 Sept 2015.
Japan
GM, 52 posts
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 11:49
  • msg #19

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Germany:
As I don't believe Israel would launch such an opperation without air power support, where would all that lead?


From Israel Ambassador:
Dear Germany, thank you for your concern. Israel is well aware of the situation in Syria and Islamic Caliphate occupied territory. As you will note now our tanks are rolling forward and clearing out IC insurgensies. As to airsupport, we thank NATO for clearing the skies some time ago. As you note Israeli groundtroops and the close air support units, mainly helicopters and UAVs at this time, stay close to the groundtroops and the pilots convey their whereabouts and identity at all time, to NATO so there is no risk of mistaken identity. Because we don´t think NATO and the Germans in particular would not knowingly shoot at Israeli forces fighting a common enemy. Right?

And don´t worry that we (so far) have only limited air support. As we are operating close to the Israeli-Syria border (In hex I21), our competent artillery, based in Israel, support the advance quite well enough.

But you have a point. Israel hereby officially demand that NFZ forces don´t engage Israel airforces on missions against IC over IC occupied territory.
/Andreas, as Israel
This message was last edited by the GM at 11:51, Thu 03 Sept 2015.
China
player, 8 posts
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 12:44
  • msg #20

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

In reply to Japan (msg # 19):

OOC INFO ONLY (note for those players tat do not realize Isreal is and has been a Major Non-Nato Ally for many years and has had access to NATO IFF and is shown on NATO IFF as Blue since 1989 .. previous to that they showed green on NATO IFF ..Never has Isreal shown Grey or RED on NATO IFF SAME applies to the EU howver individual nations in the EU may have considered Isreal enemies at one point or another (Turkey Germany,Austria,and the Balkans come to mind)
Germany
player, 127 posts
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 12:52
  • msg #21

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

China:
In reply to Japan (msg # 19):

OOC INFO ONLY (note for those players tat do not realize Isreal is and has been a Major Non-Nato Ally for many years and has had access to NATO IFF and is shown on NATO IFF as Blue since 1989 .. previous to that they showed green on NATO IFF ..Never has Isreal shown Grey or RED on NATO IFF SAME applies to the EU howver individual nations in the EU may have considered Isreal enemies at one point or another (Turkey Germany,Austria,and the Balkans come to mind)


I guess we're (at least to some extent, not so many details) aware of this, but while the crisis in 1990-91 (Desert Shield/Storm) it was said Israel air units were denied the coalition IFFs to avoid them to go hawkish, as this move could deestabilize the hard-worked coalition the US have achieved.

Sounds familiar?
Referee
GM, 82 posts
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 18:13
  • msg #22

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Germany:
aware of this, but while the crisis in 1990-91 (Desert Shield/Storm) it was said Israel air units were denied the coalition IFFs to avoid them to go hawkish, as this move could deestabilize the hard-worked coalition the US have achieved.

Sounds familiar?

GM Andreas says: The IFF status of Israel in this Op is your call Lluis.
Saudi Arabia
player, 17 posts
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 18:25
  • msg #23

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Saudi Arabia cannot tolerate that the state of Israel profits from the situation to (once more) begin aggression to his neighbours, turning what should be a UN sponsored operation against a rogue terrorist group that dessacrates holy places to an anti-Islam crusade.

So, effective immediately, Saudi Arabia stops any offensive opperation whose only result seems to be the agrandizement of the Sionist state until its troops withraw to their borders. If so, we will make our best to garantee them and to avoid Israel is damaged by the heretic fanatics, something harder to accomplish the further they keep in their aggression against their neighbours.

If Israel keeps in their aggresive attitude, Saudi Arabia offers all its support to Jordan, Syria or Lebanon to reppeal any aggression.

Likewise, we ask the rest of Coalition members not to allow Israel to pollute the sense of this fighting with their aggression.

EDIT (Addition): Saudi Arabia calls for a USC meeting to treat this aggressoin not only against Israel neighbours, but also against the UN coalition fighting against Islamic Calipahte.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:44, Thu 03 Sept 2015.
Germany
player, 128 posts
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 18:26
  • msg #24

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Referee:
Germany:
aware of this, but while the crisis in 1990-91 (Desert Shield/Storm) it was said Israel air units were denied the coalition IFFs to avoid them to go hawkish, as this move could deestabilize the hard-worked coalition the US have achieved.

Sounds familiar?

GM Andreas says: The IFF status of Israel in this Op is your call Lluis.


Then Israel has been dennied the Coalition IFF to avoid they become hawkish and destroy the coalition (as it's said to have been done in 1990-91).
UK
player, 50 posts
Thu 3 Sep 2015
at 23:09
  • msg #25

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Germany:
Israel has been dennied the Coalition IFF to avoid they become hawkish and destroy the coalition (as it's said to have been done in 1990-91).


US and UK both agree with this action
Germany
player, 129 posts
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 11:56
  • msg #26

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Just to put my own ideas clear after so much time, a review of the situation in Middle East (please, fix me where I'm wrong):

At the end of last turn:

  • Iran has been defeated and accorded (with India mediation) to dismantle their MDWs. The NFZ is kept (msotly by Saudis and Russians) until this is dona, and India sent observers. China has withrawn from the zone. Infighting among the various Irani factions for the power.
  • East Kurdistan (former Irani and Iraquí) de facto independent. NATO and Russian  troops (those later are the ones that went thre through Georgia) there. Russian troops going there through Azerbaijan stalled agains a revolt. Some German troops trying to help in both Georgia and Azerbaijan, with negligible (if any) results in this last country.
  • Western (Turkish) Kurdistan in insurgency. French troops trying to conduct peacekeeping opperations, with limited results at best.
  • Caliphate attacked from various fronts. NFZ over it kept mostly by German, UK and US air units.
    • Saudi troops retreating to Saudi Arabia to lick wounds.
    • Russian troops attacking them from East Kurdistan and Syria, along with Syrian regular army.
    • NATO troops attacking from Jordan and East Kurdistan.
    • Peshmergas and Iraquis staying on defensive stance.


At the begining of this turn:

  • Georgia, while rumbling about it, keeps allowing free way to UN flagged (NATO and Russian) troops and supplies.
  • Revolt in Azerbaijan. Russian and German troops trying to put it down while supporting Azerbaijani government (at least they pretend to).
  • Conflict starts aain in Nagorno-Karabakh as Azerbaijan seems to take profit of the chaos to retake it.
  • French troops in Western Kurdistan pledged to help Turkish troops to keep it.
  • After being attacked with MDWs, Israel launches surprise attack throug Syria. Even with US and Russian troops in the zone (those attacking from Jordan and Tarsus), I assume oppreations have somewhat bog down and that allows the high tempo attack from Israel to achieve surprise.
  • Saudi Army was advancing to retake offensive opperations against the Caliphate when the Israeli attack suprises everyone. They stop advance before reaching contact and take defensive stance.


Something wrong or forgotten?
This message was last edited by the player at 12:01, Fri 04 Sept 2015.
Referee
GM, 83 posts
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 12:41
  • msg #27

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Germany:
Russian troops going there through Azerbaijan stalled agains a revolt. Some German troops trying to help in both Georgia and Azerbaijan, with negligible (if any) results in this last country.

GM Andreas says: It is the Azerbaijan government that don´t want the Russian troops. They say it is just the first step of Russian occupation.

Germany:
At the begining of this turn:
[*] Revolt in Azerbaijan. Russian and German troops trying to put it down while supporting Azerbaijani government (at least they pretend to).
[*] Conflict starts aain in Nagorno-Karabakh as Azerbaijan seems to take profit of the chaos to retake it.

GM Andreas says: The Azerbaijan government order the army to fight the Russians. So these are regular Azerbaijan army fighting te Russians not some rebel forces. The Azerbaijan govt say Armenian rebels in Nagorno Karabakh are acting more aggresive and so the Azerbaijan army moved in to take them out and retake the occupied province.
What do you say, Kelvin?
Israel
player, 1 post
Fri 4 Sep 2015
at 13:51
  • msg #28

Re: Historical Interval 2030-2034

Saudi Arabia:
its troops withraw to their borders. If so, we will make our best to garantee them and to avoid Israel is damaged by the heretic fanatics

From Israel: IC attacked Israel with WMDs and Israel set forth to make sure that never happens again. After our swift attack on IC forces occupying territory formerly of Syrian domain, we have been blessed with assurances for our safety from all over the world, from USA to Saudi. Israel is reasonable and will withdraw our troops to inside Israels borders. However if any attack on Israel occurs despite our friends guarantees, we may start to doubt their sincerity or competence...

OOC: Well, that was quick and painful... :)
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