This will be the place for group discussions and notices about the 2045 Turn.

After a skip reading of the spreadsheets:

I see you made some changes on the budget spreadsheets. Aside from organization (that I guess I’ll make myself to it), did you delete the SU reserve or it’s me that don’t find it?

I also see some oddities:

I see most (If not all) of the oil producers have oil shortages, and most of them (Canada, Nigeria, Nordic Fed,  Russia) have a negative income due to oil, even while they are exporting it...

I see maximum space TL is set at 8.8. I know no country is now higher, but Germany researched last turn 8.9. Shouldn’t the maximum be set to it (even while no country will be this high) to represent this? Otherwise, if Germany wants to develop it it has to pay again the cutting edge bonus...

In the calculators, looking at the interface available one, I’m afraid you forgot to subtract 5 to the TL to apply the formula, as it says me that a single TL 8.8 rocket has a capacity of 9680 (not that I'd complain...).

Sure some more to come as I look at them more throughtly...

In reply to Germany (msg # 2):

Again about the interface calculator (but needs not t be fixed this turn, as it would have no effect right now): the multiplier for Catapult is set at 20000, while the rules say 200000.

In reply to Germany (msg # 3):

Bug report from me too: On oil I suspect their is something wrong with the calculation somewhere as selecting the golden option for the USA costs around $120 - which is pretty obviously wrong.

Not necessarily...

Applying option 8 multiplies by 5 the price of imported oil, but at the same time it solves the shortages that also cost money, and there's a point where applying option 8 may even give money to you, if the losses due to shortages are higher than the increased Price for imported oil.

I cannot open the spreadseets right now, but I guess in hte case of the US the shortages are this close of the increased cost for the SRUs bought...

In reply to Germany (msg # 5):

The United State would like to express mounting worry about the continuing oil shortages around the world - why have producers, at the first sign of prices returning to normal, restricted supply so harshly?

The knock on effect to global trade and stability is frightening, the continued shortages threaten the security of all nations - this situation needs to be addressed and the oil producing nations need to look at how to resolve this.

International Oil markets can no longer be run in the manner of a Cartel.

Ther have been years of warning about oil being a scarce and limited product, and reducing its avilability should make it last for longer and incentivate the ressearch for other power sources.

You must begin to accept the developed economies cannot be so dependant on oil for too long, or will be fully stopped when we run off of it, and if the situation now seems so bad to you, then it will be desesperate.

Saudi Arabia (and we hope OPEC at large) will try to keep prices stable, but that does not mean too low, as the reserves sould laast and other power sources should be developed for the world to be ready when shortages become more accute yet.

In reply to Germany (msg # 2):

>did you delete the SU reserve or it’s me that don’t find it?
See the Blank order file. As I had said before, keeping track of SU is now the player's, not the GM's, responsibility.

>the oil producers have oil shortages, and most of them (Canada, Nigeria, Nordic
>Fed,  Russia) have a negative income due to oil, even while they are exporting it...
See section 4.5.1 paragraph#2

Something that will get changed by next turn is taking out the words "...for Earth". A product of the way of old thinking of not caring about things outside of Earth.

I see maximum space TL is set at 8.8. I know no country is now higher, but Germany researched last turn 8.9. S
Good point, will fix for the affected nations, which fortunately is not many.

You are correct about the uplift/downlift formulas being wrong in the calculators. Fortunately, it is not that important and fixing the sheet can wait until next turn.

OOC: Russia was not going to implement oil conservation in this way. It is result of that rules are a bit vague to me and of harsh GM interpretation of my orders. I guess other countries mentioned in Germany's post experienced the same.

While reviewing the comercial launch capacity, I miss Copenhagen Suborbitals, that was listed the last 2 turns as having 1 rocket. Has it closed? If so, what happened with their assets?

In reply to Germany (msg # 10):

>I miss Copenhagen Suborbitals,
https://sites.google.com/site/...racters/corporations
Copenhagen Suborbitals is there, first entry under the heading of 'Europe'.

In reply to Co-GM (msg # 11):

Sorry then, I must have skipped it

Can we know how many od us have sent the turns (or who has not), s othat we will know who we are playing rignt now??

In reply to Germany (msg # 13):

Nordic Federation and Nigeria have sent their orders, articles, units lists and orders descriptions.

Got feedback from GM and corrected in consequences.

In reply to Germany (msg # 13):

I know you're eager to progress and Kelvin is currently working on the unenviable task of collating and processing everyone's turns, whilst I deal with writing these up for release.

Kelvin will be first checking with people if turns have not been in before saying who is and is not here - but we will not be waiting for people forever.

Updates will come but, as always, it can take a bit of time to work it all through - together we produce a prolific amount of PAs that take time to process and write up. That being said we are hoping to streamline the process of resolving PAs to them being written up, which should increase turn around time on this.

- Liam

In reply to Co-GM (msg # 15):

To give you all an update on where we are currently:

We (and by that I mean Kelvin since he's the one doing the work here) have been promised turns for the Canada, Persia and the UK shortly - I would ask those players please submit these orders ASAP - should you be having any problems or need any questions answered contact myself and Kelvin, the Private Messages on this site will be easiest, and we can try to help you finish up your orders if you are not sure what information you need to give us etc.

Unfortunately, we have not heard from China, France (Both Morgan) and Indonesia (played by Chance) - Kelvin has been trying to get in touch with these players but without success.

We have set the 26th of March as the kill date for those orders we have not yet been promised

For those nations we have not heard from we will assume their players have dropped from the game if we have not heard anything by the 26th march, at which point we will have to look at who will be taking over those nations.

I would also urge all those nations who have promised us orders to get their turn submitted by this date! I cannot stress enough how important it is for us to maintain a forward momentum!

Without everyone's orders we cannot resolve PAs and move us on to the next stage - for everyone's enjoyment it is important we keep moving forwards!

On to the good news, we have received the other turn orders and we have some draft news articles ready to go - as I said last time round we're going to try and streamline the process of getting your PAs converted into published news articles that fit results - the goal is to speed up the time it takes us to get you informed and move though any combat and reactions.

Finally, I'd like to thank all of you for the news articles you have submitted - particularly the non English articles. We will be using some of them as originally submitted, and others will be altered or used as inspiration for the final articles so we can give you a sense of the world you are building, as we see it developing from all your actions - successful or not.

I have had a lot of fun reading though them and working with them - so all I can say is keep up the good work!

I was reviewing some of the NPCs, and just some doubts:

Several corporations are told to have troops. What MR would they be considered should they enter in combat?

Agurzil Military Services PMC: is lised in the explalation ot have 2 security brigades for rent, but in the assets section 3 such brigades are listed. Which one is right?

Guerdau-Aban corporation: what does the double knot security ability in its unit mean (the part of doublé knot, of course)?

In reply to Germany (msg # 17):

>Agurzil Military Services PMC: is lised in the explalation ot have 2 security
>brigades for rent, but in the assets section 3 such brigades are listed. Which
>one is right?
Both are. A unit existing and a unit for rent are two different things.

>Guerdau-Aban corporation: what does the double knot security ability in its unit
>mean (the part of doublé knot, of course)?
It means it is part of its name, not an ability

Bloody Damascus:

(1) Arctic Sunrise Arbitration (Netherlands v. Russia)
On 14 August 2047, an Arbitral Tribunal constituted under Annex VII of the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) and facilitated by the Permanent Court of Arbitration (PCA) is to consider the dispute between the Netherlands and the Russian Federation concerning measures taken by the Russian Federation against the ship ‘Arctic Sunrise’ and its crew. The Arctic Sunrise sailed under the flag of the Netherlands and was used by Greenpeace International to stage a protest against a Russian offshore oil platform in the Arctic Ocean. On 19 September 2046, the Arctic Sunrise was boarded, seized and detained by the Russian authorities, it was then towed to Murmansk and its crew were arrested.  - Permanent Court of Arbitration, Hague, Netherlands

Russia and Syria attacking Syrian rebels:

Russian unit#MH-5, MINF-8
-As per section 8.5 of the rules, Reserve units may be part of a Defense, but not part of an Attack. As there are now no units belonging to a PC in this attack, it will be conducted by GM fiat
Syria: 168 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 168, Final Combat Strength: 9450

Syrian rebels: 3 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 3, Final Combat Strength: 169

Syrian rebels losses:
Reduced to 2 Base combat strength

Russia and Syrian losses:
None

Syrian rebels forgoes the opportunity to Attack

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Here To Help
- We do not know if
you are holding a rock or a hand grenade, do not put yourself in danger
- soldiers will shoot you if you look like you might
be throwing a grenade

- Soldiers may need
to detain you or others in the area as part of their investigations and
peacekeeping efforts.
- There are many
dangerous and heavily armed people in the area resisting the legitimate
government’s rule
- Insurgents hide
amongst civilians to attack us, we cannot tell the difference between you and
an insurgent until we have checked
- soldiers will shoot you if you are resisting
arrest and look like you might be armed or dangerous

Leaflet airdropped into Venezuela by Brazilian forces


Brazil and Venezuelan allies attacking Venezuela

Brazil: units #001,003,004,007,008,027,028,029,030,031,032,033,034,040,041,042,043,044,045, 046,047,048,049,062,063,069,070,074,076,077,079,080,059,071,072,073,085
-units 040,041,042,043,044,045,046,047,048,049,076,059,071,072,073,085 are Reserve Quality units. As per section 8.5 of the rules, Reserve units may be part of a Defense, but not be part of an Attack.
105 SU required, 87 SU available, 87 SU used, 0 SU final –Insufficient supplies, combat will be resolved 1 column worse and final losses are increased by 100%
Venezuelan allies: 7 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 48, Final Combat Strength: 2700

Venezuela: 24 Base combat strength,
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 24, Final Combat Strength: 1350

Odds are 2700/1350=2.00 which becomes 2:1 odds, shifted 1 to left for low supplies, final odds 1.5:1
14:52, Today: Referee, on behalf of Brazil, rolled 9 using 1d10.  Here To Help#1.
Results: 0%/5=0% loss to Attacker, 60%/5=12% loss to defender,

Brazil and Venezuelan allies losses
None

Venezuela losses: 0.12 X 24 available hits =2.88=3
Reduced to 21 Base combat strength

Venezuela forgoes the opportunity to Attack

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Martyr Saints of China
 Memorial plaque left behind at Saint Francis Xavier Church, Niger River Delta, Nigeria

-China moves to evacuate and permanently shut down Military Base Sol-Earth-1N20

-Germany expends the extra $ needed to make the Asteroid Mining facility operational next Turn

-Russia moves to incorporate hexes Sol-Earth 10N4 and 10N5 into Settlement Russia


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A Call to Arms
A discussion on the current Turkish call invoking article 5. Was,
Turkey previously attempting to use the mutual defence argument to prevent
internal schism, has Turkey now suffered an armed attack against their
territory from an external threat. An analysis of the stresses between our
government and the Turkish administration. An assessment on the merits of the final decision falling to
the North Atlantic Council. If a request to invoke article 5 should be not heeded,
does the USA wish for article 5 and the alliance to continue to mean anything?
Abstract of the US State Department Response paper on the
Armenian-Turkish conflict

Armenia attacking Turkey

GM note: -French (unit #001,002,009,012,013) and Canadian (unit#005 and 008) forces are enroute. Will not arrive until Round#2
         -Turkey refuses to allow all others access for failure to commit to reversing Kurdistan’s earlier conquests

Armenia: 82 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 82, Final Combat Strength: 4612

Turkey: 145 Base combat strength, only 80 can be brought to bear at this time
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 80, Final Combat Strength: 4500

Odds are 4612/4500=1.02 which becomes 1:1 odds, shifted 1 to right for heavy partisan action, final odds 1.5:1
21:38, Today: Referee rolled 3 using 1d10.  A Call to Arms#1.
Results: 60%/5=12% loss to Attacker, 0%/5=0% loss to defender,

Armenia losses: 0.12 X 82 available hits =9.84=10
Reduced to 72 Base combat strength

Turkey losses: 0
None

Turkey attacking Armenia and Russia

Turkey: 145 Base combat strength, only 80 can be brought to bear at this time
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 80, Final Combat Strength: 4500

Russia: units: INT-6,INT-7,INT-8,INT-9, SEC-3, SEC-4, MINF-10, MINF-11, TNK-4, ZIP-1
-As per 10.11 par#3 sent#5 of the rules, GM notes that the Russian task force is entirely made up of Reserve quality units, similar to a Mil Rank 4 type nation and will be treated as such.
-unit ZIP-1 is still under construction and still inside Russia. Unit will not be able to participate until Round #2
0 SU required, 70 SU available, 0 SU used, 70 SU final
Armenia: 72 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.9, Sum Basic Strength: 211, Final Combat Strength: 13168

Odds are 4500/13168=0.34 which becomes 1:3 odds, shifted 2*(4-3)=2 = 2 columns to right for Military Rank, final odds 1.5:1
22:28, Today: Referee rolled 7 using 1d10. A Call to Arms#2.
Results: 60%/5=12% loss to Attacker, 20%/5=4% loss to defender,

Armenia and Russia losses: 0.04 X 211 available hits =8.44=9
Armenia reduced to 68 Base combat strength
Russia unit SEC-4 is destroyed

Turkey losses: 0.12 X 80 available hits =9.6=10
Reduced to 70 Base combat strength

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Occupation Duty.

Fabriqué au Canada
Image found on many munitions, military rations and other
equipment used by Iraqi Armed Forces

Iraq attacking Saudi Arabia

Iraq : 90 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.1, Sum Basic Strength: 90, Final Combat Strength: 4536

Saudi Arabia: Units 1, 3, 32, 33, 34, 35, 22, 6, 7, 8, 332, 66, 67, 301, 302, 303, 304, 305, 351, 352, 353, 354, 355
105 SU required, 346 SU available, 105 SU used, 241 SU final
Military Rank: 2. TL 7.6. Sum Basic Strength: 84. Final Combat Strength: 4851

Odds are 4536/4851=0.935 which becomes 1:1.5 odds, shifted [ 2 X (2 - 4)= -4] 4 to left  for MR 4 vs MR 2, shifted 5 to right for patriotic fever as well as even more extensive international (Canadian) material and intelligence aid then there was last Turn, final odds 1:1
14:37, Today: Referee rolled 9 using 1d10.  Occupation Duty#4
Results: 20%/5=4% loss to Attacker, 40%/5=8% loss to defender,

Iraq losses: 0.04 X 90 available hits = 3.6 = 4
Reduced to 86 Base combat strength

Saudi Arabia losses: 0.08 X 84 available hits = 6.72 = 7
Units #1 and 332 are destroyed.

Saudi Arabia forgoes the opportunity to Attack Iraq

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You will have until June 30th 1200 UTC to post to me in the appropriate threads about what your nations are going to do in response before I start Quick Combat Round #2

Reserve quality units may not be part of an attacking force, as you well applied in most attacks, but for non-player countries this should also be represented somewhat, as some of their forces are also reserve.

See, as an example, that only 43 basic force points (about 37%) of the Iraqi army that attacked Saudi Arabia last turn were non-reserve forces...

So, I'd suggest that a perecentage of the Basic strenght of all minors to be considered reserve and not usable on attack. For the sake of simplicity, my suggestion would be than half the percentage of reserve forces according table in 8.8 for military ranks being so considered reserve, and so not useable for attack (this would represent that the reserve forces are basically light, something not always true).

This way, a MR4 nation would have 35% of its forces unable to attack (only defensive), while a MR1 settlement would have only 5% of its BS so limited.

While this can be seen as too limiting for the non-player countries, the fact they are not subjected to supplies depleting (something that would require too much bookkeeping) will balance it for the most part, and the fact that an MR4 nation has limited offensive capacity should not be a surprise to anyone, after all...

In reply to Saudi Arabia (msg # 20):



I dont get something here. Where do you get this figure from?

All combat strenghts for NPCs are judgement calls by the referee, we are not going to continue with the sisyphean task of statting out fully every nations armed forces and modeling how they would change as the game goes on

From Historical Interval 2040-44 thread, msg#20:

In reply to Saudi Arabia (msg # 22):

The disadvantages of the limited forces of a MR4 nation, NPC or not, is entirely represented by the column shifts to combat. What happened in previous turns: the numbers, the choices, the balances, the GM rulings, the rules, etc, means exactly nothing to a current turn.
This message was last edited by the GM at 03:25, Tue 26 June 2018.

True, but Player Countries are double penalized for this.

Giving as example this same Iraqi OB from last turn, should it be a player, it could only include the Green units in an attacking force. That would mean a 45 Basic Strength attack force (as the SAM, despite being Green, cannot attack) and 126 defense ones (I'm afraid my numbers differ from the 116 you gave in the post), that seems to me right for an MR4 nation. And then it will be penzlized by the column shifts due to MR...

Being a NPC with no detailed OB, it can attack with all its force.

And, as said, NPCs are ot subect to supplies, so being again favored (this time, as said, as a simplification, so no criticisms here).

As I suggest, it could attack with about two thirds of its force, so it still gains with respect of what would have been last turn with current rules, should it be a PC...

To give another example, the initial Saudi forces when I took over the country were (as you told me and deleting no longer usable units, as the support air ones):

MR3:

Army:

5 Green Armour Brigade
8 Green Mechanized Brigades
5 Reserve Motorized Brigades
1 Veteran Infantry Brigades (Airborne ability)
2 Green Artillery Brigades

National Guard:

7 Reserve Mechanized Brigades
9 Reserve Motorized Brigades (Security ability)

Air Defense:

4 Experienced SAM Battery
1 Experienced ABM Brigades (Space TL 6.0)

Air Force:

5 Veteran Multi-role plane Squadrons
5 Experienced Multi-role plane Squadrons
5 Green Multi-role plane Squadrons

Navy:

1 Experienced Frigate Squadrons
2 Experienced Patrol Squadrons
1 Experienced Infantry Brigades (Amphibious ability)

That would mean 165 BS ( don't count the ABM, due to its dual combat factor), of which only 105 could be used offensivelly (after removing the SAM and reserve units), meaning only about two thirds of its force could be used offensivelly. And then the MR effects in column shifts would have to be used.

In my suggestion, if it was an MR3 NPC, half the reserve percentage according 8.8 would be subtracted (as 30% of the forces in a MR3 nation are reserve, this ould be 15%), so those 165 BS would be reduced to 140 for offensive opearations, again a gain respect to the 105 it really was as a PC.

See that in fact, using the full reserve percentage given in 8.8 (70% for an MR4 nation and 30% for an MR3 one) would better represent it (giving Iraq an offensive force of 38 and Saudi of 115 with the given OBs, quite closer to the 45 and 105 respectivelly they would be as PCs), but I agree this would limit them too much, and so I suggest halving this penalty.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:14, Tue 26 June 2018.

A NATO country has been attacked, and that means NATO has been.

(...)

For many decades, our own seccurity was based on NATO, and on the belief they will ocme to our aid if we were attacked. Now it’s time for us to respond in kind when another NATO ountry calls us.

(...)

So, from now on, a state of war exists among Germany and Armenia, as he attacked us when it did so on another NATO member.

Extracts of the speech given by the German Chanciller to the Bundestag after Armenian attack to Turkey
This message was last edited by the player at 15:35, Tue 26 June 2018.

Just for the record:

With a roll of 3 on the 1:1.5, the result shown in the table is 60/20, not 60/0.

OTOH, Armenian TL (according to the settlement spreadsheet) is 7.4, not 7.5. This will have put their Final Combat Strength at 4490.2, so odds would be (barely) 1:1.5, modified to 1:1, that, with the roll of 3, would have meant 80(16)/20(4).

Not suggesting any change (after all, the net result is that both sides have avoided a 4% losses), just for educational reasons.

Would the Russian governemnt like to explain this?

In reply to USA (msg # 27):

Russia considers this area as an Exclusive economic zone according to UNCLOS convention.

After thinking about it for a while more, I guess the best way to represent the effect of the reserve (and so unable to attack) units in NPCs would be to just reduce the force by the percentage of reserve units given in 8.8 when attacking.

OTOH, in he specific case of the MR4 nations, the remaining forces according 8.8 would be 30% experienced and 66% Green, quite equivalen to an MR3 one. So, to avoid so much penalizing them, they could be considered MR3 when attacking (as probably they would if they were PCs, as you've done with Russian tropos in Armenia).

So, a 100 BS MR4 nation would be a 30 BS MR3 when attacking...

Russia demands that both Turkey and Armenia cease fire. Russia declares, that since time is running short, as a gesture of a will to peace, Russian military forces recieved order to not attack Canadian and French units in sector 5N20 in round 2 (this is in addition to the previous declaration that Russia limits itself to defensive actions only). If nevertheless Russians will be attacked, Russia seriously considers nuclear retaliation against homeland of the attackers.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:41, Fri 29 June 2018.

In reply to Russia (msg # 30):

The USA will restate most strongly its position on nuclear weapons

Any use of Nuclear weaponry will draw a response in kind. Any ICBM launch will be assumed to be nuclear in nature.

In reply to USA (msg # 31):

Russia will inform all WMD-capable countries about launches and its trajectories and targets, prior to launch.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:20, Fri 29 June 2018.

In reply to Russia (msg # 32):

I don't think you get it - after the China crisis the US policy is quite simple

You use em, you get em back with interest.

NO MORE GOD DAMNED WMD STRIKES!

In reply to USA (msg # 33):

If Russians are attacked, they will use all means neccessary to protect themselves, mr. President of USA.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:58, Fri 29 June 2018.

In reply to Russia (msg # 34):

Yes. Exactly

That is the point

Welcome to mutually assured destruction! It's been a while since the world realised that's where we are!

Again I restate any ICBM launch will draw an immediate response with and wmds
This message was last edited by the player at 08:07, Fri 29 June 2018.

In reply to USA (msg # 35):

I see your loayalty to allies, that impresses.
But Russians are loyal too.
Any other propositions except mutual destruction or submission?

In reply to Russia (msg # 36):

Don't use nuclear weapons?

That's what we're saying, and that is all

It is, literally, not Rocket science. Indeed, it is the conscious decision not to use rocket science!

In reply to USA (msg # 37):

Following the attack against Turkey, a member of NATO and ally, a state of war exists between the USA and Armenia

OOC:
Damn. I read ODKB treaty (should did it in first place).

IC:
Due to the fact, that in attack against Turkey, Armenia broke several points of the ODKB treaty, among them:
1) ODKB protection works if its member is attacked in first place, not the other way.
2) ODKB actions must be agreed upon all its members.
3) ODKB force abroad must be in line with UN Charter.

Russia issues to Armenia ultimatum:
1) Armenia stops attacks immediately.
2) Armenia pays reparations to Turkey to compensate military losses during previous attack (10 base combat points).

If Armenia does not comply, then:
1) Russia suspends Armenia from ODKB treaty.
2) Russia attacks Armenia itself.

In reply to USA (msg # 38):


Following Armenia military intervention in Turkey, and Turkey invoking article 5 of the NATO charter, the Nordic Federation has no choice but to declare war upon Armenia.

May the Armenian government see the error of their way and come to their sense.

In that case Russia would support significant portions of the Pacific being US territory?

The EEZ would extend 200 miles from your coast but an EEZ does not equate to territorial waters or internal waters. You are acting outside the terms of UNCLOS.

What are you basing your claims on?

In reply to Russia (msg # 28):

The Nordic Federation do not recognise the Russian claim to the Arctic.  Forfeiting the UNCLOS is a very bad idea for the world security.

The Nordic Federation strongly oppose the Russian intervention in the Arctic.

In reply to Nordic Federation (msg # 42):



This:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lomonosov_Ridge



Yes, as soon as USA joins UNCLOS and demonstrates proofs.



Russia does not forfeits UNCLOS but acts according to its laws.

Well, since you bring it up what proof does Russia have?

None of this has been presented to anyone and you've not presented this for review by the the bodies dedicated to dealing with this kind of thing
This message was last edited by the player at 08:14, Wed 04 July 2018.

In reply to USA (msg # 44):

Russia does not understands such anxiety of USA and Nordic Federation about unpopulated hexes 10N4-10N5 (which Russia considers as a part of Russian Continental Shelf) and does not see which international laws can be breached by Russia incorporating unpopulated area. But, Russia is ready to discuss this issue and ready to hear proposals on disputed hexes.



It has been presented already long time ago.
(OOC: IRL it was partially before 2010, partially after, but let the GM to decide if additional actions on this issue after 2010 did or did not happen in The Game).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ntal_shelf_of_Russia
This message was last edited by the player at 09:41, Wed 04 July 2018.

In reply to Russia (msg # 45):

Ooc

The question of Russian and other territorial claims in the Arctic is such a soap opera it's hard to keep track of it all, but I believe most bordering nations believe it's part of their continental shelf and therefore should be theirs and have now for decades

IC

The question of anyone asserting territorial claims in disputed areas still nominally under international arbitration is concerning to all.

Environmental concerns also apply here.

Besides which, If this territory is so uninteresting to you then why are you paying claim to it as your territory?

UNCLOS and established international law clearly dictates that what you claim is your territory are international waters.

Whilst we will be happy to arrange talks on the future of the Arctic we maintain at current these are international waters and will support freedom of navigation in these waters.
This message was last edited by the player at 11:02, Wed 04 July 2018.

In reply to USA (msg # 46):



OOC: Then this is even better :)



IC:
UNCLOS dictates that Russian claim is EEZ by the very least. It is not international waters.
And Russia does not limits freedom of navigation in EEZ.
Anyway, Russia is ready for discussion about Arctic future.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:15, Wed 04 July 2018.

>>The disadvantages of the limited forces of a MR4 nation, NPC or not, is entirely
>>represented by the column shifts to combat. What happened in previous turns: the
>>numbers, the choices, the balances, the GM rulings, the rules, etc, means exactly
>>nothing to a current turn.
>True, but Player Countries are double penalized for this.
I know. The objection would be important if realism, consistency for consistency's sake and game balance were of the same priority as the ease for the GM to run this game. They are not. There is no procedure that could be made which is easier for the GM then to pick out of thin air some number for available Base Combat Strength which he feels is appropriate to the situation. There is no number which the GM could pick out of thin air which is easier than the maximum.

>but let the GM to decide if additional actions on this issue after 2010
>did or did not happen in The Game).
I would refer all of you to the FAQ section of the main website.
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:22, Thu 05 July 2018.

OOC: Gotcha Boss, Q4 in the FAQs is pretty clear

IC:

Well then, given no significant actions have been taken these past decades on this matter then the USA is happy to arrange talks with all involved nations regarding the future of the Arctic and finding a resolution that is equitable to all.

As you have stated you are happy for such talks to occur to decide what will happen then we will assume that you will accept these areas are not your territory and will withdraw your claim so we can begin these negotiations and reach agreements with everyone involved.

I trust this is correct and will be done for negotiations to happen

OOC : I will start a private thread in a bit to prevent our wrangling filling up the international and turn threads - Nations to be included are Canada, Nor Fed, Russia and USA - anyone I've missed from that list?

OOC: Well, ITTR that Japan had also interests there...

I cannot tell what claims they had or if they keep on them, but I guess you should invite them too...

In reply to Germany (msg # 50):

Japan has only had an arctic policy since 2015 from a quick google and only became a recognised observer on the arctic council in 2013, and has no territorial claims I can find

In reply to USA (msg # 51):

while I talked OOC as Germany has no interests on it, I talked about the game, IIRC the past news

In the news 2030-34 (last news piece) it is said they closed their operations i nthe Arctic, but even so I guess hey keep interests. Justa ask him

See the OOC part of your own msg#49 on this thread.

In reply to Referee (msg # 54):

Yes, that was what I meant - should be clearer - I was pointing out I couldn't find anything from before the divergence date and I can't remember anything in game. Though apparently there was.

Does Japan wish to be involved - does it profess a claim to the arctic?

"IISS published Military Balance as of the beginning of 2045, with following results:"


                     Military expenses in 2045             % of budget
South Korea                  171*                            150%*
UK                           749                              85%
Saudi Arabia                 345                              37%
France                       193                              27%
Nordic Federation            210                              23%
Canada                       283                              20%
India                        300                              20%
USA                          836                              20%
Persia                       208                              18%
Australia                    238                              17%
China                        762                              16%
Indonesia                    105                              13%
Germany                      191                              12%
Nigeria                       44                              11%
Russia                       349                               8%
Japan                         70                               5%
Argentina                     20                               5%
Brazil                        58                               3%
*Information on Korea is considered to be unreliable

Russia and Syria attacking Syrian rebels:

Russian unit#MH-5, MINF-8
-As per section 8.5 of the rules, Reserve units may be part of a Defense, but not part of an attack. As there are now no units belonging to a PC in this attack, it will be conducted by GM fiat
Syria: 168 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 168, Final Combat Strength: 9450

Syrian rebels: 2 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 2, Final Combat Strength: 112

Syrian rebels losses:
Reduced to 1 Base combat strength

Russia and Syria losses:
None

Syrian rebels forgo the opportunity to Attack

Syrian rebels surrender/disband. There will be no further combat in this conflict.

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Here To Help#2

Brazil and Venezuelan allies forgo the opportunity to Attack Venezuela

Venezuela Attacks Brazil and Venezuelan allies

Venezuela: 21 Base combat strength,
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 21, Final Combat Strength: 1181

Brazil: units #001,003, 004, 007,008, 027, 028, 029 ,030,031,032, 033,034,040,041,042,043,044,045, 046,047,048,049,062,063,069 ,070 ,074 ,076 ,077 ,079 ,080 ,059,071,072,073,085
105 SU required, 0 SU available, 0 SU used, 0 SU final
–Insufficient supplies, combat will be resolved 1 column worse and final losses are increased by 500%
Venezuelan allies: 7 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 65, Final Combat Strength: 3600


Odds are 1181/3600=0.328 which becomes 1:4 odds, shifted 2 to right for the difference in Mil Rank, final odds 1:2
15:04, Today: Referee, on behalf of Brazil, rolled 10 using 1d10.  Here To Help#2.
Results: 20%/5=4% loss to Attacker, 20%=20% loss to defender,

Venezuela losses: 0.04 X 21 available hits =0.84=1
Reduced to 20 Base combat strength

Brazil and Venezuelan allies losses: 0.2 X 65 available hits = 13
Venezuelan allies: Reduced to 6 Base combat strength
Brazil: Unit 003, 004, 007, 040, 041, 042, 043, 044 destroyed

Columbia Attacks Venezuela and Venezuela Neutral

Columbia : 35 Base combat strength are available
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.2, Sum Basic Strength: 35, Final Combat Strength: 1814

Venezuela: 20 Base combat strength
Venezuela Neutral: 9 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 29, Final Combat Strength: 1631

As there are no units belonging to a PC in this attack, it will be conducted by GM fiat

Venezuela losses:
Venezuela:Reduced to 19 Base combat strength
Venezuela Neutral: none

Columbia losses:
Reduced to 30 Base combat strength

Venezuela and Venezuela Neutral forgo the opportunity to Attack Columbia

Military analysts have concluded that Venezuela now has insufficient supplies needed to completely fulfil its requirements for the next Quick Combat Round and is asking for international help.

Faction ‘Venezuela Neutral’ has now formally joined with faction ‘Venezuela’,
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 28

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“We Leave or Die”: Forced Displacements Under ‘Reconciliation Agreements’
This report is based on interviews and testimony from 134 people, both in person and via VR between April and September 2047, after the fall of the last major Islamic Caliphate stronghold. Interviewees included displaced residents who lived through sieges and attacks, humanitarian workers and experts in the region, journalists and UN officials. Amnesty International also reviewed dozens of videos, linkcasts and social hive-nodes - as well as analysing satellite imagery to corroborate witness accounts. Comments on these findings were sought from local authorities, many of which did not reply. People subjected to these horrific violations of International and Humanitarian law had no choice but to leave their homes en masse. As a result, thousands of families are now living in makeshift camps with limited access to aid and other basic necessities and scant opportunities to make a living.
-Amnesty International report 2047/11/12

Occupation Duty#5

Iraq forgoes the opportunity to Attack Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia forgoes the opportunity to Attack Iraq


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A Call to Arms#2
Armenia  forgoes the opportunity to Attack Turkey

Turkey, Canada, France attack Armenia and Russia

Armenia: 68 Base combat strength
Russia: units: 021, 022, INT-6, INT-7, INT-8, INT-9, SEC-3, SEC-4, MINF-10, MINF-11, TNK-4, ZIP-1
10 SU required, 70 SU available, 60 SU final
-As per 10.11 par#3 sent#5 of the rules, GM notes that the Russian task force is *almost* entirely made up of Reserve quality units, similar to a Mil Rank 4 type nation and will be treated as such.
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 8.1, Sum Basic Strength: 234, Final Combat Strength: 15352

Turkey: 135 Base combat strength, only 70 can be brought to bear at this time
Canada: units 004, 008
50 SU required, 187 SU available, 137 SU final
France: units 001, 002, 009, 012, 013
105 SU required, 214 SU available, 109 SU final
Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.0, Sum Basic Strength: 178, Final Combat Strength: 11392

Odds are 11392/15352=0.7420 which becomes 1:1.5 odds, shifted 4 to right for the difference in Mil Rank, final odds 3:1
22:35, Today: Referee rolled 3 using 1d10.  A Call to Arms#2.
Results: 20%/5=4% loss to Attacker, 40%/5=8% loss to Defender,

Turkey, Canada, France losses: 0.04 X 175 available hits =7
France: Unit 009 destroyed

Armenia and Russia allies losses: 0.08 X 256 available hits = 20.48=20
Armenia: Reduced to 64 Base combat strength
Russia: Unit INT-6 destroyed


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la amitié


Nigeria and Togo allies attack Togo


Togo: 4 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 6.6, Sum Basic Strength: 4, Final Combat Strength: 174

Togo allies: 2 Base combat strength
Nigeria: units 043, 101, 102
5 SU required, 42 SU available, 37 SU final
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 6.5, Sum Basic Strength: 7, Final Combat Strength: 295

Odds are 295/174=1.695 which becomes 1.5:1 odds, final odds 1.5:1
23:54, Today: Referee rolled 3 using 1d10.  la amitié#1.
Results: 60%/5=12% loss to Attacker, 20%/5=4% loss to Defender,

Nigeria and Togo allies losses: 0.12 X 7 available hits =0.84=1
Nigeria : Unit 102 destroyed

Togo losses: 0.04 X 4 available hits = 0.16=1
Togo : Reduced to 3 Base combat strength

Togo forgoes the opportunity to attack Nigeria and Togo allies

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    You will have until July 21 1200 UTC to post to me in the appropriate threads about what your nations are going to do in response before I start Round #3.
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:00, Thu 30 Aug 2018.

In reply to Referee (msg # 56):

The United States is please to announce that it has successfully brokered a peace agreement between Turkey and Kurdistan. Terms and a finalised border between both nations have been agreed by both sides and the final agreements are now being put in place - the USA will assist both sides in recovering from the aftermath of this conflict and will be helping to build dialogue between these neighbours to ensure future peace between them

As a result of this, and in response to the situation in Armenia and the deteriorating situation in the region, the United States announces that it has agreed a mutual defence agreement with Kurdistan, which will last for a minimum of 25 years

During this time the United States will guarantee the territory and independence of Kurdistan and will treat any attack against Kurdistan as an attack against the United States

Any attack against Kurdistan is an attack against the United States

German Police raids Greenpeace offices: Berlin, Germany: After German diplomacy achieved the release of the Arctic Sunrise by the Russian authorities  and the ship reacted by ramming against a Russian oil drill, German police has searched Greenpeace offices all around Germany to look for evidences to know if this was a planned action or just an impromptu action by its crew. No statement about the results have been done by German authorities to date.

“This ship has crossed the red line of violence this time” stated a German spokesman. “We really believed Greenpeace was a peaceful organization and so our diplomacy supported them and achieved their release, and we now have been betrayed by this attack. If we find any evidence it was a planned action, Greenpeace could be considered a terrorist organization. For now, Greenpeace assets are frozen by the German government to pay the reparations for the damages and any effect of any oil slick it can produce, as they are responsible of the actions of their members, and any ship working for them will have German ports closed until further notice” he added.

Another spokesperson for the German diplomacy stated that the crew of the Arctic Sunrise is now on their own to face any charges Russia makes against them.

Seeing that Iraq has accepted (at least de facto) the ceasefire we were offering them since the begining, Saudi Arabia suggests to begin peace talks to stabilize the zone and begin the much so delayed reconstruction our people so dearly needs.

Saudi Arabia restates we have no will to move our current borders, and that the people in the former Sunni part of Iraq are under our protection after years of misstreatment by a sectarian government, but this aside we're willing to discuss the terms of this peace, that we hope will be lasting.

In reply to Russia (msg # 28):

Following Russian expansion of its Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) to the Arctic ocean as per UNCLOS claim, considering the tacit approval of the international community and thus the applicability of the UNCLOS treaty, and finally understanding that sovereignty is a right that must be actively and physically entertained, the Nordic Federation declare the following:

1) The obsolete 1910 treaty of Svalbard, governing the economic accessibility of the archipelago and is surrounding water, is considered null and notwithstanding as of now;
2) The Nordic Federation will apply the full extend of the UNCLOS treaty to the archipelago, as it is already doing on all its other territories, and thus enforce rightfully and fully its sovereighnty on the islands territories;
3) And as per longstanding Danish and Norwegian UNCLOS claim, the Nordic Federation extend our Exclusive Economic Zone to the Arctic Ocean, including the extension of the continental shelf. As such, the Nordic Federation will claim and occupy Earth hexes 10N2 and 10N3 as of now;

The Nordic Federation will listen to all parties grievances under the UNCLOS offices and regulations.

Saudi Arabia is glad to announce that we have reached a peace agreement with Iraq.

According it, the current border will be kept, and Saudi Arabia vows to invest at least B$20/year¹ for the next 15 years in the Iraqi so needed reconstruction after so many war years.

Might Allah make this the begining of a peace and stability era in a so much mistreated zone.

OOC:

Note 1: In game terms: at least 1 PA/turn for the next 3 turns.

OOC:

Well, I've already sent my turns, as deadline has passed.

Nonetheless, the quick changing situation and the time zone problems to have answers makes me to wonder if an extensión (even a short one) will be in order...

Thoughts?

In reply to Germany (msg # 62):

I'm sorry, but I have to say no.

I've not spoken to Kelvin about this particular instance, so maybe he'll disagree - but I seriously doubt it.

Deadlines exist for a reason and we will not extend them without good reason.

The GM may come back to you with some information and say "We should assume you knew this before the end of deadline - in light of this will you change the orders specifically related to this" if, AND ONLY IF, he chooses to. Never assume that he will though because this will be rare and in circumstances where the GM has been unable to provide the information you require because of unforeseen circumstances preventing him from posting.

If you were unable to get everything sorted out in the time frame allotted then so did your nation - if the situation is rapidly changing on the forums then so it is in the game world - and you will have to factor that into your decisions when submitting orders!

The world is not a neat, controlled place where there is always time to finalise everything and double check.

But more than that, and most importantly, we must keep moving forwards
It is the most important part of keeping this game running and healthy - we cannot keep delaying, as circumstances have previously forced us to.

Unless absolutely necessary there will be no waiting around to finalise negotiations because it detracts from other people's fun as it makes them wait - and we have done a lot of waiting over the years and lost players because of it.

Kelvin and I are determined to achieve a reasonable pace for the game, that means we have to be firm on deadlines.

Discussion on topics can continue of course, but orders should be set down to represent what is happening when the deadline hits

(Speaking of which, despite my preaching here I need to get mine fully written up right now...)

I understand all of this, but see that we had just 5 days for this WR.

THough I agree the quickest the best, at an average of receiving 1 answer from Kelvin every 2 days (I guess time zones do no help here), and in many cases those answers raising even more questions, we have no reaction times in many cases.

NATO has right now 6 countries involved in the Armenian affair (Canada, France, Germany, NF, US and Turkey), while UK is not participating on it (I undertood from his las message he had problems to accessto rpol, not sure), involving 3 players and several NPCs. When deciding the last Armenian offer, we have now the votes of 3 countries, while not any of the NPCs.

That means we don't know if we're at war or we're not when giving our orders. I guess your If you were unable to get everything sorted out in the time frame allotted then so did your nation - if the situation is rapidly changing on the forums then so it is in the game world - and you will have to factor that into your decisions when submitting orders! can hardly apply to this...

And Kelvin expressely told he will not accept conditional orders willingly...

It's hard to send you troops with clear and precise orders without even knowing if they are going to war or to peace...

In reply to Germany (msg # 64):

No, I am willing to accept conditional orders on a very limited basis. What I am unwilling to accept are conditional orders so complex that it becomes very hard to untangle just what is being ordered, and I have a low tolerance of what I consider to be 'complex'.

NATO being made up of an unwieldy number of members is your problem, not the GM's. The GM also does not mind the players having difficulty in writing orders not knowing if their troops are marching into war or peace because every player is in the same situation. Players are just going to have to predict the likely consequences and take that risk.
This message was last edited by the GM at 04:28, Mon 06 Aug 2018.

NATO being made of an unwildy number of countries is a problem for all, but a problem that probably depicts well its nature, and so it's not a big problem for me.

Some of the most involved NATO countries (Canada, France and Turkey in this case) not answering the messages it's the true problem, as this is the main reason we don't know if our troops are going to peace or to war.

I understand (or believe) this is not intentional, and that you're quite busy (just the game is enough to keep you so, and sure real life too), and this is why I asked for this extensión, to allow for them to answer and having a Little clearer picture.

Forgive me to ask, but, is there any estimation about time tables?

In reply to Germany (msg # 67):

I know that I have not been very diligent lately, but we are actually coming quite close.

TY. Not questioning your diligence, we all have a real life too, just I think some updates help keep morale.

In reply to Germany (msg # 69):

Can we do something to help conclude the current round?

Same here.

Relly on us on things that do not require taking decisions (updating pages on known information, etc.).

I restate my ofer to update the Known Atlas of Space (although this will help little to speed the turn) among other such things.

I also join to the question.

Note to all
On the eve of a mass buildup of American forces, Turkey was pushed and cajoled by the Americans into slowing its plans, for now, for the reconquest of Armenia, and at least talking with Armenia about ending the conflict. It helped that America had just provided Turkey with a massive military aid package.  Armenia appears willing to accept given the progress on the front had stalled and the majority of the once numerous Russian forces in Armenia have left for Russian territory neighboring Armenia, but these Russian forces have been considerably reinforced. An estimated 50 Divisions of units of all types belonging to the Russian Federation are poised to rejoin the conflict on a moments notice.

However, the conference, set in the middle of No-man’s land, was struck by a poison gas. Among many others, the Turkish President and much of his cabinet were at least wounded. The nerve agent used has been identified as a type manufactured by Russia. The situation is rapidly developing, but it looks like the gas was delivered by a flight of Armenian planes which managed to penetrate the conference zone. The Armenian government denies everything and is specifically asking the German government to intervene and take up peacekeeping positions between the two sides.

With the Turkish President and much of his cabinet out of the picture for a while, there appears to be a breakdown in the Turkish high command, about ½ of the units immediately attacking Armenian positions, and achieving surprising success, the other 1/2 somewhat staying in place. Some of the attacking Turkish units are engaging in reprisal actions or systematic ethnic cleansing operation against local Armenian populations, while others not. It largely seems to depend on the local commanders and their control over their troops.


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Here To Help#3

Brazil and Venezuelan allies forgo the opportunity to Attack Venezuela

Venezuela Attacks Brazil and Venezuelan allies

Venezuela: 28 Base combat strength,
–Insufficient supplies, combat will be resolved 1 column worse and final losses are increased by 100%
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 28, Final Combat Strength: 1575

Brazil: units #001, 008, 027, 028, 029, 062, 063, 069 ,070 ,074 ,076, 077, 079, 080, 076, 077, 086 (INFSEC-01), 087 (INFSEC-02), 088 (INFSEC-04)
105 SU required, 0 SU available, 0 SU used, 0 SU final
–No supplies, treated as Mil Rank 4 nation and final losses are increased by 500%
Venezuelan allies: 6 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 47, Final Combat Strength: 2306
Odds are 1575/2306=0.683 which becomes 1:1.5 odds, shifted 2 to right for difference in Mil Rank, 1L for supply situation,  final odds 1:1
13:42, Today: Referee rolled 1 using 1d10.  Here To Help#3.
Results: 100%/5=20 x 2 =40% loss to Attacker, 0%= loss to defender,

Venezuela losses: 0.4 X 28 available hits = 11.2 = 12
Reduced to 16 Base combat strength

Brazil and Venezuelan allies losses: None
Venezuelan allies:
Brazil:


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Occupation Duty#6

Saudi Drones Catch Draft Dodgers Riyadh, Saudi Arabia:
“A Swarm of Camera drones can fulfill all your requirements, your majesty. We can deploy them tied to our AI systems and your national databases. Utilising the most advanced, AI driven systems and facial recognition software, we can ensure that anyone attempting to avoid conscription can be identified, tracked, detained and transferred to a military training facility.

In addition, we estimate that by tying management of your manpower and recruitment to the AI system, we can increase your military readiness and size of your forces whilst avoiding civil unrest thanks to its predictive algorithms that can advise on the best time to implement the various measures without causing unrest.”
-InSightec Sales Executive talking with Saudi Army Minister, Prince
Khalid

Iraq forgoes the opportunity to Attack Saudi Arabia

Saudi Arabia forgoes the opportunity to Attack Iraq


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A Call to Arms#3

The Virtue of the Vicious
Tonight on ‘What the World Wants, with Roberta Valantino’ - Live, Only on AmeriLink, two survivors of the apparent Armenian WMD attack on the peace conference at Bagaran exclusively tell us their stories

(36 hours earlier)
Turkish Air Defence HQ - Armenian Sector
<“Sir, we have blips closing on the western edge of the exclusion zone around the conference”>
<“Steady on soldier”>

Akçay Polat (A man wearing a severe suit with a Turkish flag pin on the lapel) :
“I was with the members of the Presidential guard, stood at the edge of the compound. Everyone was waiting for the Armenians to arrive for the last of the talks.
Hugo Hernandez (A young man wearing the uniform of a US Marine):
“The captain was stood with the Turkish President and the Secretary of State. Dress uniform, the whole kit and kaboodle. It was supposed to be the conclusion of negotiations, and it had been going well. No one was really expecting any kind of fight, no one had their MOPP gear to hand, certainly not the captain in his dress uniform.

(36 hours earlier)
USMC 1st Corps - Armenian/Turkish border - Bagaran
“TacCom reports incoming fastmovers! Bearing West, closing fast!”
“Get the VIPs out now! - Get the Cars started NOW!”
“Incoming!”
“Jesus fuck! GAS! GAS! GAS!”
“Holy mother! N!B!C! GEAR NOW!”
Screams of pain
“Val! C’mon man, C’mon, get it on yourself NOW, Move it Marine!”
“Leave him! Get the VIPs out NOW!”

A P: It was chaos, people started clawing at their faces on the other side of the compound. Then one of the American Marines started running towards our end of the compound screaming ‘Gas! Gas!’”
H H: Someone on the detail managed to dig their stuff out and pass it to the Sec State - one of the Turks did the same for their VIP. Some of us didn’t get it on quite in time and had limited exposure - most of us didn’t get the MOPP on at all, the rest of us tried to get it on them, but they just kept clawing at their mouths, the captain was screaming…. We tried but all we ended up doing was hold hold them down as they died”

(36 hours earlier)
USMC 1st Corps - Armenian/Turkish border - Convoy heading towards Turkey
“No artillery yet…. If they were waiting to hit us then not follow up?”
“Sammy, get HQ on the TacNet! Sitrep!- How’re the VIPs doing!?”
“Sec State got few good lung fulls, Docs treating him now - says he’ll pull through with some lung scarring”
“And the Turkish President!?”
“Looks like his detail was on the ball on this one - some exposure but less than our guy - they trusted them less”
“Good reason by the looks of it”
“They’re on Sir… I’ve got half of our guys and all of the Turks screaming at us wanting to know what’s going on”
“Oh, this is going to be fun….”

H H: “We got into some of the vehicles and bugged out, called it in just in time to have a plane smash in front of us after getting hit by Turkish AA. We’re just lucky the Turks had our back in taking out those Armenians- we never expected it - we had to make a dash back to the lines - we didn’t know if we were going to get shelled or something - all bets were off!
A P: “The Americans brought out my President to the motorcade- they came running towards us wearing gas masks. There were so few of them left. There were supposed to be quite a few press with them, very few made it out. Some of their recordings did though, one of them was even broadcasting live to Link - the world was watching them die there…


Armenia  forgoes the opportunity to Attack Turkey

Faction Militant Turkey attack Armenia and Russia

Armenia: 64 Base combat strength
Russia: unit#0346 and 102nd Military Base
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 8.1, Sum Basic Strength: 66, Final Combat Strength: 4330

Militant Turkey: Turkey has 133 + 64 from American arms gifts = 197 Base combat strength, only 99 can be used by faction Militant Turkey
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 7.5, Sum Basic Strength: 99, Final Combat Strength: 5568

Odds are 5568/4330 = 1.285 which becomes 1:1 odds
17:54, Today: Referee rolled 10 using 1d10
Results: 0%/5=0% loss to Attacker, 40%/5=8% loss to Defender,

Militant Turkey: No losses

Armenia and Russia loses: 0.08 X 66 available hits = 5.28 = 5
Armenia : Reduced to 60 Base combat strength
Russia: Unit 0346 is destroyed.
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la amitié#2

The Signal is Strong
"Free flow of information is the breath of the Cyber Spirit and our only safeguard against tyranny. The once-chained people, whose leaders at last lose their grip on information flow, will soon burst with freedom and vitality. But the free nation gradually constricting its grip on public discourse has begun its rapid slide into despotism.
Beware of he who would deny you access to information, for in his heart he dreams himself your master. Let us begin to set the people of the world free and ensure they may never be chained again!"
- Emperor Yi Dae-won to the Coders of the Korean Cyber Spiritualist movement as the Grand Neo-Seoul Link-Broadcast is turned on

Nigeria and Togo allies attack Togo


Togo: 4 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 6.6, Sum Basic Strength: 3, Final Combat Strength: 130

Togo allies: 2 Base combat strength
Nigeria: units 0043, 0101, 0301, 0401
15 SU required, 37 SU available, 22 SU final
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 6.5, Sum Basic Strength: 12, Final Combat Strength: 507

Odds are 507/130=3.9 which becomes 3:1 odds, final odds 3:1
20:46, Today: Referee rolled 5 using 1d10

Results: 20%/5=4% loss to Attacker, 60%/5=12% loss to Defender,

Nigeria and Togo allies losses: 0.04 X 12 available hits =0.48=1
Nigeria : Unit 101 destroyed

Togo losses: 0.12 X 3 available hits = 0.36=1
Togo : Reduced to 2 Base combat strength

Togo forgoes the opportunity to attack Nigeria and Togo allies

Military analysts have concluded that Togo now has insufficient supplies needed to completely fulfill its requirements for an additional Quick Combat Round.
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:22, Thu 27 Sept 2018.

From the Results for 2045 Quick Combat Round#3 message in the HP

(bold is mine)

As Juli 21^th is nearly 2 months over, I guess you mean September 21^th...

If so, only 6 days to come over all this mess?

In reply to Germany (msg # 74):

Ahh! Yes, you are right, to both points.

Should we already use the units list for units moves or this will begin next turn?

BTW, speaking of this:

if units movements must be posted there openly, this may give advantage to the last one sending them, so probably making most of us to try to do it at the last moment (and probably interfering one another when tryong so).

To avoid this, I'd suggest to send your moves in the orders, as previously, and then, after 24 hours past the deadline (to allow someone being a Little late if needed), but before 72 hours past the deadline, to transcribe them to the spreadsheet.

If so, as a general rule, the spreadsheet will take precedence over orders, so orders not transcribed there will not be valid (unless the GM rules otherwise, of course).

While quickly reviewing the various spreadsheets I've seen that most divisions have their base unit strenght wrong (MR planes, helos mech and artillery divisions showing it as 16 instead of 15, armor divisions showing it as 27 instead of 25 and maybe others)

In reply to Germany (msg # 77):

>I've seen that most divisions have their base unit strenght wrong
No. See section 10.5 of the rules.

In reply to Germany (msg # 76):

>if units movements must be posted there openly, this may give advantage to the last
>one sending them, so probably making most of us to try to do it at the last moment
>(and probably interfering one another when tryong so).
I know. That is the way how I want it. Like I said in the Message, it was done this way BY DESIGN.

Sorry, I had yet no time to read them well. After suggesting to give some advantage to división-sized units I won't now complain...



As you want, but then don't complain if we go on each other way when trying to post them at the smae tiem (most such spreadsheets don't allow more than one perso nto try at once).

Again, should we already use it this WR, or it will begin next turn?

In reply to Germany (msg # 80):

>Again, should we already use it this WR, or it will begin next turn?
For this turn only, use of the sheet is optional.

Well, turns (for Germany and Saudi Arabia) sent.

Alea jacta est

Note to all
-Germany goes to War Footing. Unusual success in Political Action of convincing the German public to go along with it
-Canada claims Sol-Gamma-11N1, 10N1, 7N8, 6N4 for Settlement#33
-China claims Sol-Gamma-4N30 4N31 3N31 for Settlement#39
-Argentina claims Sol-Gamma-6S10 4S14 5S12  for Settlement#7


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Here To Help#4

Brazil and Venezuelan allies forgo the opportunity to Attack Venezuela

Venezuela forgo the opportunity to Attack Brazil and Venezuelan allies

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A Call to Arms#4

-Political Action Germany to cause Armenia to rebel and surrender. Crushing success. Between German efforts and the massive Allied invasion, there is a rapid collapse and anarchy on the Armenian side. Fleeing towards Allied forces, or fleeing away from Allied forces, or just generally fleeing, particularly from the rampaging Turks, the roads of Armenia are choked with refugees, chaos, misery, and despair. Allied advance is only slowed by the time it takes to push through this mess. Allied soldiers are often met with bedraggled Armenian soldiers, or local leaders, literally carrying on platters the heads of anyone that they think might appease the Allies (hopefully the heads are *mostly* those of more senior ex-leadership, best not to ask). The shell-shocked wretches in front of Allied forces are trembling with fear, nobody living professes to know anything useful about Armenian attacks with chemical weapons on the peace conference site.


Armenia  forgoes the opportunity to Attack Turkey

Germany, USA, NordicFed and Faction Militant Turkey attack Armenia and Russia


Armenia: 60 Base combat strength
Russia: unit#0021 and 102nd Military Base
Mil Rank 3, Mil tech 8.1, Sum Basic Strength: 64, Final Combat Strength: 4199

Militant Turkey: 99 can be used by faction Militant Turkey
Germany: # 0002, 0003, 0052, 0101,  0207, 0208, 0213, 0214, 0215, 0709, 0710, 0711, 0712, 0713, 0714, 0801, 0802, 0803, 0901, 0902, 0903, 0904
110 SU required, 532 SU available, 422 SU final
USA:0001 0043 0044 0047 0048 0049 0051 0052 0053 0065 0083
300 SU required, 409 SU available, 109 SU final
NordicFed forces moving to Romania but not able to participate in combat this QCR.
Mil Rank 2, Mil tech 8.2, Sum Basic Strength: 333, Final Combat Strength: 22390

Odds are 22390/4199 = 5.33 which becomes 5:1 odds, shifted 2 to the right for German PA, shifted 2(3-2)=2 the right for difference in Military Rank, Final Odds >10:1
16:45, Today: Referee rolled 10 using 1d10.  A Call to Arms#4.
Results: 0%/5=0% loss to Attacker, 100%/5=20% loss to Defender,

Germany, USA, NordicFed, and Faction Militant Turkey: No losses

Armenia and Russia loses: 0.20 X 64 available hits = 12.8 = 13
Armenia : Reduced to 50 Base combat strength
Russia: Unit 0021 is destroyed.

Armenia surrenders
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la amitié#3
Un-Plugging the Breach
“You are ordered not to connect to the new wireless Links - they are an attempt by the enemies of the state to corrupt the holy tranquility of China. Hebrews 13:17 is clear on your duty to the State!
We are commanded by God to “honor thy mother and father” and the Communist Party is Mother and Father to the Nation! Heed these words because we are confronted by serpents and temptors, for as the Book says “For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners.” Let none be swayed by these demons that have tried to breach the digital walls the party have erected to protect our souls from the corrupt sectors beyond our borders.
Proclamation #287-A issued by the Department of Social and Spiritual Tranquility of the CCP

Nigeria and Togo allies attack Togo


Togo: 4 Base combat strength
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 6.6, Sum Basic Strength: 2, Final Combat Strength: 87
–Insufficient supplies, combat will be resolved 1 column worse and final losses are increased by 100%

Togo allies: 2 Base combat strength
Nigeria: units 0041, 0043, 0103, 0301, 0401
25 SU required, 22 SU available, 0 SU final
Mil Rank 4, Mil tech 6.5, Sum Basic Strength: 15, Final Combat Strength: 633
–Insufficient supplies, combat will be resolved 1 column worse and final losses are increased by 100%

Odds are 633/87=7.27 which becomes 7:1 odds, shift 1 right, shift 1 left, final odds 7:1
10:35, Today: Referee rolled 5 using 1d10.  la amitié#3.

Results: 0% loss to Attacker, 100%/5 X2 for insufficient supplies =40% loss to Defender,

Nigeria and Togo allies losses: none

Togo losses: 0.40 X 2 available hits = 0.8 = 1
Togo : Reduced to 1 Base combat strength

Togo surrenders to Nigeria and Togo allies


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End of Turn Warning
This is your end of the turn warning. In light of the circumstances, GM declares that the events of Quick Combat Round#4 were close enough to the end of time available in the 2045-2049 time span that no more movement by any units can be done unless someone makes arrangements to do more combat or expend PApoints. I think we all need time to adapt to the situation on the ground and that is best done over a new turn. You will have until Oct 5 12:00 UTC if you want to order more combat or expend PApoints, otherwise the Turn will be closed then and we will move onto the 2050-2054 Turn.
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:37, Tue 16 Oct 2018.