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Historical interval 2055-2059.

Posted by RefereeFor group 0
Referee
GM, 152 posts
Fri 19 Apr 2019
at 19:24
  • msg #1

Historical interval 2055-2059

This will be the place for group discussions and notices about the 2055 Turn.
Germany
player, 525 posts
Tue 23 Apr 2019
at 11:07
  • msg #2

Historical interval 2055-2059

Several points:

1) Will there be follow up private threads for this turn, or the ones for last turn (that had no date on theoir names) will be kept indefinitely?

See that if the latter, we risk clogging them, producing an unnecessary lack of clarity and dificulting to find a specific post from earlier turns.

2) I understand the turn spreadsheet must be done this turn by modifying the one in the files section, instead of sending you another one, but I cannot find anywhere where this is spcifically said. Is this ok?
Germany
player, 526 posts
Tue 23 Apr 2019
at 13:46
  • msg #3

Historical interval 2055-2059

I see some errors in the units spreadsheet:

  1. German units 218, 218, 721 and 722 are listed as in 6N14 (germany), and yet as outside own settlement/base.
  2. German unit 1106 (DRMS Hofen) is listed in orbit. As it was built in 7N12 (Damgarten Kosmodrome) and it's reserve quality (so it cannot move among orbit and surface), it should be there.
  3. German unit 1104 (DRMS Pfadfinder) is listed as being in Sol-delta orbit. It made last turn 2 round trips to Mars, but should have ended in Earth orbit, not Mars, as round trips mean also returning

This message was last edited by the player at 13:59, Tue 23 Apr 2019.
Referee
GM, 154 posts
Tue 23 Apr 2019
at 19:41
  • msg #4

Historical interval 2055-2059

In reply to Germany (msg # 2):

>German units 218, 218, 721 and 722 are listed as in 6N14 (germany), and yet as outside own settlement/base.
Then change it. As I have said before, non-greyed out columns are the player's responsibility to maintain.

>German unit 1106 (DRMS Hofen) is listed in orbit. As it was built in 7N12 (Damgarten Kosmodrome) and it's reserve quality (so it cannot move among orbit and surface), it should be there.
Noted.

>German unit 1104 (DRMS Pfadfinder) is listed as being in Sol-delta orbit. It made last turn 2 round trips to Mars, but should have ended in Earth orbit, not Mars, as round trips mean also returning
On the morning of Dec 6 2018 you wrote in the orders for it to move to Sol-Delta-Orbit, not me. That Spaceship is at Sol-Delta.
Referee
GM, 155 posts
Tue 23 Apr 2019
at 19:45
  • msg #5

Historical interval 2055-2059

In reply to Germany (msg # 2):

>1) Will there be follow up private threads for this turn, or the ones for last turn (that had no date on theoir names) will be kept indefinitely?
Use the ones from last turn, they will be used indefinitely. Because the opposite is  happening, too many different threads are making it hard to find old posts.


2) I understand the turn spreadsheet must be done this turn by modifying the one in the files section, instead of sending you another one,
Correct

> but I cannot find anywhere where this is spcifically said.
I know, I had already modified the Rules_Proposal.
Germany
player, 528 posts
Fri 26 Apr 2019
at 17:06
  • msg #6

Re: Historical interval 2055-2059

Referee:
In reply to Germany (msg # 2):

>German unit 1104 (DRMS Pfadfinder) is listed as being in Sol-delta orbit. It made last turn 2 round trips to Mars, but should have ended in Earth orbit, not Mars, as round trips mean also returning
On the morning of Dec 6 2018 you wrote in the orders for it to move to Sol-Delta-Orbit, not me. That Spaceship is at Sol-Delta.


Taken from the orders given (in fact from the results PDF you sent me, to be sure there wree no last minute changes), in the Military Units section (again, bold added):


quote:
The DRMS Pfadfinder (unit 1104), after being upgraded to green, makes 2 round trips to Mars Orbit, carrying 1 SU each round trip from Earth Orbit to Mars Orbit to supply Schiapparelli Station (Settlement #213).


That's why I said, but as it won't affect my turn, I won't discuss it any more.
Germany
player, 529 posts
Sat 27 Apr 2019
at 12:59
  • msg #7

Re: Historical interval 2055-2059

Germany:
Taken from the orders given (in fact from the results PDF you sent me, to be sure there wree no last minute changes), in the Military Units section (again, bold added):


quote:
The DRMS Pfadfinder (unit 1104), after being upgraded to green, makes 2 round trips to Mars Orbit, carrying 1 SU each round trip from Earth Orbit to Mars Orbit to supply Schiapparelli Station (Settlement #213).


That's why I said, but as it won't affect my turn, I won't discuss it any more.


Addenda: in the units list, Note 1 section, is written (again, bold added):

quote:
DRMS Pfadfinder: 0/3/0/0 10U,10St,2FisP,12Cp,5C,1M. 2 round trips to Mars Orbit carrying supplies for Schiapparelli OT.

Saudi Arabia
player, 73 posts
Mon 29 Apr 2019
at 09:39
  • msg #8

Re: Historical interval 2055-2059

Another question about the Budget spreadsheets:

I see that In some Budgets (Australia, France ,and Korea) the oil shortfall is a negative number. May I ask how this can be?

See that in the case of France, this negative shortfall is even greater than its oil needs, to the point that using option 7 gives it $449 , instead of costing it money.
Australia
player, 3 posts
Mon 29 Apr 2019
at 09:40
  • msg #9

Re: Historical interval 2055-2059

In reply to Saudi Arabia (msg # 8):

I know Australia has purchased more oil than it uses currently, so that may be it?
Germany
player, 531 posts
Mon 29 Apr 2019
at 09:44
  • [deleted]
  • msg #10

Re: Historical interval 2055-2059

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Saudi Arabia
player, 74 posts
Mon 29 Apr 2019
at 09:56
  • msg #11

Re: Historical interval 2055-2059

In reply to Australia (msg # 9):

Yes, I guess that may be the answer.

I didn't see France has bought 600 oil SRUs, and Korea has bought them to Russia while being subsidized on them by Saudi Arabia (we cannot aford PAs on its reconstruction, but can help making sure it has the needed oil).
Referee
GM, 156 posts
Mon 29 Apr 2019
at 20:26
  • msg #12

Re: Historical interval 2055-2059

In reply to Saudi Arabia (msg # 8):

>>>German unit 1104 (DRMS Pfadfinder) is listed as being in Sol-delta orbit. It made last
>>>turn 2 round trips to Mars, but should have ended in Earth orbit, not Mars, as round
>>>trips mean also returning
>>On the morning of Dec 6 2018 you wrote in the orders for it to move to Sol-Delta-Orbit,
>>not me. That Spaceship is at Sol-Delta.
>Taken from the orders given (in fact from the results PDF you sent me, to be sure there
>wree no last minute changes), in the Military Units section (again, bold added):

No, I mean as in you wrote into the cells for 'Moving To' the Unit_List spreadsheet that unit#1104 was moving to Sol-Delta. Likely under the mistaken impression that a 'Round trip' had to be logged that way. You ended up ordering it to end its turn at Mars, in addition to doing the round trips between Earth-Mars.

>>I see that In some Budgets (Australia, France ,and Korea) the oil shortfall is a
>>negative number. May I ask how this can be?
>I know Australia has purchased more oil than it uses currently, so that may be it?
Yes.

>See that in the case of France, this negative shortfall is even greater than its oil
>needs, to the point that using option 7 gives it $449 , instead of costing it money
Good point. Will fix.
Germany
player, 532 posts
Tue 30 Apr 2019
at 03:27
  • msg #13

Re: Historical interval 2055-2059

Referee:
In reply to Saudi Arabia (msg # 8):

>>>German unit 1104 (DRMS Pfadfinder) is listed as being in Sol-delta orbit. It made last
>>>turn 2 round trips to Mars, but should have ended in Earth orbit, not Mars, as round
>>>trips mean also returning
>>On the morning of Dec 6 2018 you wrote in the orders for it to move to Sol-Delta-Orbit,
>>not me. That Spaceship is at Sol-Delta.
>Taken from the orders given (in fact from the results PDF you sent me, to be sure there
>wree no last minute changes), in the Military Units section (again, bold added):

No, I mean as in you wrote into the cells for 'Moving To' the Unit_List spreadsheet that unit#1104 was moving to Sol-Delta. Likely under the mistaken impression that a 'Round trip' had to be logged that way. You ended up ordering it to end its turn at Mars, in addition to doing the round trips between Earth-Mars.


OK, I see your point: in columns K-N i set Mars as destination, but in column O I specified 2 round trips, thinking that this was enough as to indicate it ended up in Earth again.

So, to avoid future similar missunderstandings, and wihtout trying to change the current situation, how should one specify those round trips (where one ends up in the same point as it began), if the destination (columns K-N) mean the final hex?

If one just points the initial hex in those columns, it seem to mean it does not move, and if one sets the other end of the round tirps as destination it seems that it does not return...
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