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Historical Interval 2025-29.

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Referee
GM, 41 posts
Wed 17 Jul 2013
at 01:48
  • msg #1

Historical Interval 2025-29

2025-26

After a disastrous summer sparked by what is now being called the ‘Diyarbakir Mutiny’, Prime Minister Davutoğlu’s control of Turkey has largely collapsed with the open revolt of many of its western cities.   Davutoğlu’s  Justice and Development Party (AKP) administrators and elected officials have largely fled to the countryside which has traditionally been the source of their popular support for their ummah based policies.  However, with the mass desertion to outright mutiny of the ‘jash’ Kurds in the military and the replacement of old guard kemalist military leaders with loyal but largely militarily incompetent party hacks has made it all but impossible for the AKP to suppress open civil revolt in the western cities or defeat the Kurdish separatist rebellion in the eastern countryside of the Turkey.

In Istanbul, leaders aligned with the political party Movement for Change in Turkey (TDH) have gained the support of several formerly prominent military families (due in large part to the release of ‘political prisoners’ from Silivri prison which housed a number of generals accused of planning secularist military coups such as the infamous Sledgehammer Trials) and in cooperation with the Republican People’s Party (CHP) they have at least gained nominal control of Ankara and somewhat wider support in the western Turkish cities.  The AKP has denounced the TDH as a front to return to a kemalist military dictatorship.

The TDH is negotiating with the Kurdish separatists for a cease fire and but reports vary wildly that the TDH is offering allocated seats in Parliament, some sort of autonomous region, to full separation and independence.  The TDH has also requested assistance from its NATO allies to help deal with the refugee humanitarian crisis developing on Turkey’s border with Syria.  Thus far, due to the full redeployment of the Sixth Fleet to the eastern Mediterranean, the United States has already provided some logistical aid and has deployed personnel to assist with the huge influx of Syrian refugees.  The United States has also sent aid and military advisors to Jordan in the wake of the Syrian refugee crisis.  The Assad regime has denounced the US troop buildup as a front to create alternative US-NATO arms corridor to Syrian rebels in the wake of Turkey’s destabilization.

The situation in Syria is deteriorating as fighting has intensified, but the Assad\Alawite bloc still the dominant faction due in part with armaments and supplies shipped in via the lifeline of Tartus.  Tartus and the joint Syrian\Russian port facilities have been significantly expanded since the main Syrian port of Latakia has been the site of significant fighting between a Sunni muslim majority and a Alawite minority.  Tartus is booming as a result and the local populace and militias are very protective of the source of their economic livelihood.

Additionally, a joint elaborate war game involving 8,000 U.S. soldiers and 15,000 Jordanian troops has increased tensions to a fever pitch between the two countries.  A Pentagon spokesman downplayed the Assad characterization of the 12-day exercise involving combined air, land, and sea maneuvers across Jordan as a “dress rehearsal for invasion and neocolonialism” and restated that the purpose of the war game was to train the involved forces on border security, irregular warfare, terrorism, and counterinsurgency.  The U.S. President notified Congress that 6,000 U.S. military personnel are staying behind in Jordan after the training exercise.  The Assad regime has denounced the US troop buildup as a front to create alternative US-NATO arms corridor to Syrian rebels in the wake of Turkey’s destabilization as well as to establish a staging ground to attack.

Iranian supported Hezbollah has largely defeated and driven out Hamas out of Lebanon due to the Gaza based movement’s role in Syria against the regime of President Assad.  Hamas leadership and a substantial number of their rank and file have reportedly found safe haven in Egypt, protected by their close ties with the Muslim Brotherhood.  The Egyptian Army imposed ‘interim government’ has not acted against Hamas, unwilling to risk angering either the Muslim Brotherhood nor disrupting their financial lifelines to Qatar or Saudi Arabia by cracking down on the Sunni movement.   Hamas and Hezbollah used to be part of the self-proclaimed Iranian and Syrian-led “axis of resistance” against Israel.

Egypt’s position has become increasingly precarious in that tourism, its former primary source of outside foreign capital, has nearly dried up.  The loss nearly 12% of the country’s GDP has created an enormous challenge for a country that must import roughly half of the population’s daily caloric intake and supplies over 60% of its population with bread subsidies.  The situation is exacerbated by diesel shortages (making wheat transportation more difficult, as trucks are required to bring the crop to urban mills), insufficient fertilizer, and water issues (primarily with Ethiopia) that have long plagued Egyptian agriculture.

In the face of the finance and food crisis, India has given Egypt a $6 billion dollar loan with a 5 year interest free grace period as well as signed an agreement that would provide several billions worth of food aid during the same period.  An Indian finance ministry official stated the loan was intended “to support the Egyptian economy and the state budget and foreign currency reserves.”  While influx has helped to partially alleviate Egypt’s food crisis and keep the Egyptian economy staggering along, Muslim Brotherhood leadership denounced the Indian move as “hypocritical and further proof of their war against Muslims” with their “endorsement of the military takeover of Egypt”.

Iraqi sectarian violence has risen sharply in the past year.  Initially starting in mostly Sunni areas against a Shiite-dominated government, besides a few instances of government forces opening fire on protestors, multiple terroristic attacks by both factions have escalated the violence to almost open conflict.  Sunni protestors and tribesmen across the country are forming militias in response to what they see as sanctioned attacks on the Sunni populace.  Iraq has not seen this level of killing since the worst of the sectarian war back in 2006 and 2007.  Iraqi officials say most of the attacks are being led by Sunni insurgents like al-Qaida in Iraq and also accused Iran of instigating violence and attempting to destabilize the country.

The Kurdistan Regional Government is tied up in a complicated state of affairs as it is still officially part of Iraq despite being the administrative and logistical center of “Greater Kurdistan”.  The autonomous KRG has been supporting the Shiite led government in a quid pro quo arrangement for turning a blind eye thus far on KRG de facto control of the disputed province of Ninevah.  A strengthened Sunni Arab community could pose greater challenges to the KRG’s nationalist agenda, particularly in delineating internal boundaries with Iraq (Article 140).  The KRG is still holding to the profit sharing agreement for the now fully Kurdish controlled oil fields.

Within Iran, peshmerga forces openly controlling Kurdish urban areas have been driven underground with the forceful intervention of the People’s Liberation Army.  Kurdish sources have put up video of alleged PLA massacres and indiscriminate use of air power against civilian centers including mosques.  In response PLA spokesman, Fang Yansheng, held an unprecedented news conference on an internal Chinese investigation which determined that the videos were staged, misrepresented, or digitally doctored outright.  Yansheng’s three hour conference excoriated the international media for “jumping to conclusions based on blatant propaganda” after showing video of secondary explosions in the aftermath of airstrikes on mosques “proving they were legitimate military targets” and providing evidence that the videos of PLA troops opening fire on unarmed Kurdish protestors was faked using footage transposed from other sources and digitally edited and animated together in a new environment.  Outside experts agree with the Chinese findings, debunking some of the videos as “disturbingly high tech and sophisticated productions”.

The Iranian Kurdish revolution has shifted to primarily guerrilla and mid-level intensity insurgency tactics in the wake of the intervention of the Chinese.  Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard (IRGC) is still recovering from the summer’s fighting so the PLA has taken up some of the slack.  Casualties after the initial heavier summer fighting have not been significant but it appears Kurdish insurgents are growing in expertise using IED tactics pioneered by Iranian supported Iraqi insurgents during the United States occupation of Iraq.  Additionally, a handful of Iranian Persian mullahs have spoken out against the Chinese, denouncing the Guardian Council and forming mass protests after Friday prayers.  The protests subsided somewhat after Ayatollah Abbas al-Razi, the most prominent of the council critics, was arrested on corruption charges stemming from diversion of funds from several Iranian charitable trusts (known as Bonyads).

On the Arabian Peninsula, high food prices combined with other inflationary pressures have put the squeeze on the lower and under classes in those countries, particularly ‘guest workers’, which have led to increased tensions between the upper and lower classes within these countries.  Bahrain, with its large Shiite majority, has steadily gained ground against smaller wealthier Sunni upper class despite extensive support provided by Saudi Arabia.  Civil order in Yemen has fully collapsed but for the most part the remainder of Arabian Peninsula seems to be weathering the economic driven difficulties but with a notable uptick in violent protests in most nations.

Guest workers in these countries typically keep a low profile during periods of uncertain political stability.  However, Amnesty International has issued a report outlining growing systematic abuse of these foreign guest workers (typically hailing from the Philippines, India, Indonesia, former Pakistan, and other countries within Asia and Africa).  The report details increased incidences of torture, forcible confinement, failing to pay workers, human trafficking, religious persecution, legal system abuses, and deportation.  Amnesty International spokesmen, Paul Ikeda, stated “what makes this growing trend even more egregious is these workers have trouble getting exit visas from their own consulates to return to their home countries.”  While most states cited in the report dismissed the findings as grossly overblown or as blatant propaganda, Oman rebuked Amnesty International from the floor of the United Nations General Assembly calling the report “unfair, full of lies, and obviously untrue.”

In total these various factors have led to the world’s largest refugee crisis and are leading to other residual effects.  Refugees are entering mainland Europe by boat or illegally entering European Union member states via Turkey into Bulgaria.  The refugees are joining already sizeable communities of compatriots waiting for them in mainly western European states.  As a result of this increased pressure, violence between rival Turkish and Kurdish drug networks have grown into open conflicts that are beginning to envelop entire Turk and Kurd communities.  Riots in North London and Amsterdam as well as related spike in crime have focused domestic European attention on ‘immigrant troubles’.
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:41, Fri 19 July 2013.
Iran
player, 1 post
Mon 22 Jul 2013
at 21:31
  • msg #2

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

Iran on Turkey collapse:
“Iran support Prime Minister Davutoglu and the AKP which is the rightful government of Turkey. We invite the Turkish military to deepen the cooperation against our common enemy; the Kurd. In order to alleviate the pressure on the Turkish army Iran will intensify anti-Kurd stability operations along the Turkish-Iranian border and offer to join the ongoing Turkish operations into Kurd areas in Iraq.”

Iran on Egypt:
“Iran feels with the starving people of Egypt. We are willing to donate sufficient diesel fuel to get the agriculture sector working again, if the Egyptian military can guarantee our safety from the Hamas terrorists now active in the country.”
China
player, 3 posts
Wed 24 Jul 2013
at 16:52
  • msg #3

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

In reply to Referee (msg # 1):

China will continue with its current troop deployments to the region (Those that have arrived and those still mobilizing to get there). China will continue on with its policy to assist Iran against the Kurds.
Japan
player, 10 posts
Sun 28 Jul 2013
at 21:42
  • msg #4

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

Japan observes, but does not interfere.
Brazil
player, 1 post
Sun 18 Aug 2013
at 03:51
  • msg #5

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In reply to Japan (msg # 4):

Brazil is very interested in this evolving crisis, as is the whole of the human race.  Brazil also acknowledges the complexities of the situation.  We are dealing with ancient cultures and divisions in a minimally-stable part of the globe.  Our military does not have the power projection capabilities of other nations, and so we have chosen to remain neutral in this conflict (neutral countries are often useful during a crisis, no?).  We, like Japan (above), remain very interested, however.

With the aforementioned points in mind, what is the status of the Security Council debates concerning the No-Fly-Zone?  This is a very important issue, and small mistakes and misunderstanding can blossom into... something worse.  Let us be careful, and let us agree to some course of action under the purview of the UN.
Japan
player, 11 posts
Sun 18 Aug 2013
at 08:06
  • msg #6

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

In reply to Brazil (msg # 5):

Japans understanding is that the discussions in the UNSC were fruitless, and are at a standstill with positions locked. Another forum is needed, such as the General Assembly, if something productive is to come of a discussion.

Japan would support any such initiative but is not ready at this point to lead the way.
UK
player, 10 posts
Sun 18 Aug 2013
at 15:24
  • msg #7

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

In reply to Japan (msg # 6):

ENTIRE POST IS OUT OF CHARACTER


Just for reference guys;

http://tgw.awbep.com/xmb/viewthread.php?tid=90

The above is a link to the old discussion on this topic on the other forum. Talk of a UNSC resolution pretty much died in the emails going around, as no one was overly interested in pushing this route for several reasons, and if my recolection is correct the phrase 'stonewalling' pretty much sums up China's responce to proposals and questions on this.

The last incarnation of the resolution is, quite honestly, so out of date now it does not respond properly to the current situation in the region.

I'd normally be more than happy to try and hammer something out UN style, but given the time it has taken to reach the point we are at the general feeling from the UK will be 'fool me once...' on this one, given the time wasted last time on trying to reach some kind of consensus.

The institutions of the UN in game have been severely weakened and despite my best efforts not much has come out of any attempt at reviving the idea of international co-operation through its auspices. It did just end up as lots of talk and no action (though I'm sure there are people in game who might say this was in line with the UN at the moment!)

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UNSC Resolution

The Security council;

Mindful of the urgent need to take action to re-establish stability in the Kurdish regions of the Middle east
Concerned by the threat to Civilian life and infrastructure in the unfolding conflict
Deeply Worried by the threat of the conflict expanding in the region
Recalling its duty to maintain or restore international peace and security under article 39 of the Charter


1. Calls upon all involved parties to put a ceasefire into immediate effect
2. Will establish demarcation lines along the Kurdish borders of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and the Republic of Turkey (ooc: sorted out by our staff - dickering on this just got silly and would be much easer to deal with if delegated to the GM)
3. Calls Upon all member nations to provide assistance in enforcing Demilitarised Zones and No Fly Zones along these demarcation lines
4. Requests that member states commit Military forces, as they are able, to assist in enforcing this resolution
5. Resolves
   a. that all forces operating under this UN Mandate be placed into a UN Unified Command Structure (The United Nations Combined Command in the Kurdish Theatre)
   b. that the Russian Federation designates the overall commander for the UN Combined Command in the Kurdish Theatre (herein referred to as UNCCKT)and established a joint command for the peace keeping force
  c. that forces under UNCCKT be authorised to display the flag of the United Nations alongside their own national markings
  d. that all member states cease providing any military and financial aid to the combatants.
6. Calls upon all sides to seek a political settlement of the conflict, either thorough mediators or their own diplomatic channels.
7. Requests that the Russian Federation provide the Security Council with monthly reports on the operational status of UNCCKT
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Resoultion was submitted by the UK and Co-sponsored by France (unless the french player turns up and dosnt want to, this was done before france had a player)
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I would support the idea of a seperate un thread in genral, but using it for this instance would drag this out even further. Its been nearly a year now in RL and everyone rehashing old arguments in the UN is going to get us nowhere, the UNSC resolution died and I understand would hit a veto no matter which direction it went in, and since the General Assembly has no power to make binding resolutions all that could happen is we can all agree what the majority of the international community would do, and then have no one do it. If players want to have a more powerful UN in game it needs to be supported by players and the UNSC undoubtedly needs reforming to remove the ability of one nation to Veto.
USA
player, 20 posts
Sun 18 Aug 2013
at 16:28
  • msg #8

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

In reply to UK (msg # 7):

I'm all for just abstracting the UN blithering at this point and moving the turn along.

After this turn is finished we'll have new things for intensive, extensive RPing again but this turn has had its opportunity for that and anyone who missed out at this point has only themselves to blame.

We need to move ahead with processing the turn. With, of course, opportunity for player reaction (including some IC RPing, but not of the "drag the turn out longer" form).
Japan
player, 12 posts
Sun 18 Aug 2013
at 17:13
  • msg #9

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

In reply to USA (msg # 8):

Agreed, it is time the turn moves ahead.
Germany
player, 30 posts
Mon 19 Aug 2013
at 12:26
  • msg #10

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USA:
In reply to UK (msg # 7):

I'm all for just abstracting the UN blithering at this point and moving the turn along.

After this turn is finished we'll have new things for intensive, extensive RPing again but this turn has had its opportunity for that and anyone who missed out at this point has only themselves to blame.

We need to move ahead with processing the turn. With, of course, opportunity for player reaction (including some IC RPing, but not of the "drag the turn out longer" form).


OOC: while I also want the turn to move ahead (I've been the one asking for status reports while it was stopped), I believe we should explore any possibility for a diplomatic resolution of this crisis. After all, if it can be acheved, I guess the turn will go on quicker that if a war breacks on.

EDIT: My suggestion: allow this way to be explored until friday (real time). After that (if Chris can, of course), move on the turn while the talks are being held (after all, in RL most UN talks are runing on while the criris keep going).END EDIT

UK:
UNSC Resolution

The Security council;

Mindful of the urgent need to take action to re-establish stability in the Kurdish regions of the Middle east
Concerned by the threat to Civilian life and infrastructure in the unfolding conflict
Deeply Worried by the threat of the conflict expanding in the region
Recalling its duty to maintain or restore international peace and security under article 39 of the Charter


1. Calls upon all involved parties to put a ceasefire into immediate effect
2. Will establish demarcation lines along the Kurdish borders of the Islamic Republic of Iran, and the Republic of Turkey (ooc: sorted out by our staff - dickering on this just got silly and would be much easer to deal with if delegated to the GM)
3. Calls Upon all member nations to provide assistance in enforcing Demilitarised Zones and No Fly Zones along these demarcation lines
4. Requests that member states commit Military forces, as they are able, to assist in enforcing this resolution
5. Resolves
   a. that all forces operating under this UN Mandate be placed into a UN Unified Command Structure (The United Nations Combined Command in the Kurdish Theatre)
   b. that the Russian Federation designates the overall commander for the UN Combined Command in the Kurdish Theatre (herein referred to as UNCCKT)and established a joint command for the peace keeping force
  c. that forces under UNCCKT be authorised to display the flag of the United Nations alongside their own national markings
  d. that all member states cease providing any military and financial aid to the combatants.
6. Calls upon all sides to seek a political settlement of the conflict, either thorough mediators or their own diplomatic channels.
7. Requests that the Russian Federation provide the Security Council with monthly reports on the operational status of UNCCKT
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Resoultion was submitted by the UK and Co-sponsored by France (unless the french player turns up and dosnt want to, this was done before france had a player)


Germany also co-sponsors this resolution if it can (once again, my guess is Germany is not in the UNSC at the time).
This message was last edited by the player at 12:30, Mon 19 Aug 2013.
Japan
player, 13 posts
Mon 19 Aug 2013
at 15:45
  • msg #11

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

In reply to Germany (msg # 10):

Japan disagrees. In the light of the current crisis the UNSC powers would definitely not be open to a reform of veto-rights. I say we bide our time and open discussions when cooler heads can think without the risk of world war looming over them.

So Japan retracts its offer to support this initiative at this time (this turn).

OOC: Chris please handle it abstractly and get on with this turn without waiting for friday. (Sorry Lluis)
Referee
GM, 69 posts
Mon 19 Aug 2013
at 17:24
  • msg #12

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

Japan:
OOC: Chris please handle it abstractly and get on with this turn without waiting for friday. (Sorry Lluis)


I'm not waiting on this but on a reply\decision that will entirely shape the rest of the core of events.  On a related note, NATO players please post your decision in this this thread on where you plan to cover under a NFZ and related policy.

Any debate on the UN or other international institutions should be moved over to the 'International Forum' thread and debate can continue throughout as desired (understanding that even if something is agreed to there to restructure the UN it will most likely take more than one year to hash out anyway) to keep this thread uncluttered of anything but official policy, stances, and other decisions.
UK
player, 11 posts
Mon 19 Aug 2013
at 22:40
  • msg #13

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

Referee:
NATO players please post your decision in this this thread on where you plan to cover under a NFZ and related policy.
The following is a statement on behalf of NATO member states, The Russian Federation and The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia;

We have observed with growing distress the escalating incidents of violence in the Middle East.

The instances of violence in the Kurdistan region, which we have observed growing day by day, disturb us even more.

The use of air power against Civilian targets in this region has disturbed us greatly, and the involvement of a Permanent member of the Security Council in supporting the suppression of a minority in a nation where the regime has only recently employed methods barely short of Genocide to suppress them is disgusting, and represents a clear breach of trust placed in the PRC by the world at large.

To this end, we can no longer stand by whilst this situation continues.

Effective immediate NATO, Russia and Saudi Arabia are establishing a No Fly Zone over the Kurdistan region. We invite all nations of the world to commit to resolving this conflict as pacifically as possible, and call upon all sides to withdraw to their own side of the NFZ and call a cease fire, so that this conflict can be solved through mediation rather than through the brutal suppression of a people, which is the only outcome we can see of the current course of action being taken by Iran and the PRC.

The NATO-Russian-Saudi Coalition (along with any other nations who are willing to assist in this endeavour) will engage any and all non-coalition air forces in breach of the No Fly Zone over Kurdistan.

Current Deployments call for NATO and Saudi Forces to provide cover over the Western area of Kurdistan and Russia to provide cover over the North East
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In addition NATO is establishing a No Fly Zone over Turkey whilst it assists the Turkish people in mediating and pacifically resolving their internal difficulties.

As stated elsewhere (but for completions sake) Russia has also established a No Fly Zone over Syria.
Iran
player, 3 posts
Tue 20 Aug 2013
at 06:23
  • msg #14

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

In reply to UK (msg # 13):

Iran is conducting police operations against Kurd terrorists, just like you "Coalition countries" have done for many years all over the world. The difference is Iran is doing it inside our national borders. This is an internal matter, stay out. Your aggresion is illegal and has no backing by UN or international law. Your imperialistic attitudes will not get you Iranian oil. All attempts by foreign military (except Chinese forces ofcourse) to enter Iranian air, sea or land territory will be met by force. Iran call out to all true believers to join us in opposition to NATO Imperialism.
Saudi Arabia
player, 1 post
Tue 20 Aug 2013
at 07:54
  • msg #15

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

Iran:
In reply to UK (msg # 13):

Iran call out to all true believers to join us in opposition to NATO Imperialism.


The Russian/NATO lead coalition to enforce a NFZ is not an act against Islam, as their only goal is to protect civilian people (most of them Muslitms too) from the masacres Iranian and (to a lesser extent, as they seem to be more careful about that)  Chinese air power are conducting against them, co also complying with the Quram tennets about protecting the weak:

quote:
Quran:004.075: And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"


Neither can they be accused of imperialism when they have stated their willingness to accept Kurdish independence, not wanting it for themselves.

So, the asking to all true believers to fight against it is also void, as this NFZ is not against Islam, but against opressors.
UK
player, 12 posts
Tue 20 Aug 2013
at 10:47
  • msg #16

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Iran:
In reply to UK (msg # 13):
Your aggresion is illegal and has no backing by UN or international law. Your imperialistic attitudes will not get you Iranian oil. All attempts by foreign military (except Chinese forces ofcourse) to enter Iranian air, sea or land territory will be met by force.

The responsibility to protect is increasingly a recognised convention in international law, and we feel a sensible and required one.

Despite the fact that we have been unable to achieve consensus on this through the UN Security Council, it would be abhorrent to believe this absolves the international community at large from the responsibility to protect a people from mass atrocities committed by their rulers.

The NFZ is to protect civilians whilst we attempt to reach a pacific settlement. No ground forces are being deployed in the Kurdistan region, no aggression is taking place against Iran, we are merely preventing the Iranian and Kurdish sides of this conflict from perpetrating further aggressive and illegal actions through the use of air power, such as we have previously witnessed.

We call upon Iran to step back from this dangerous path, and to work with the international community to resolve this situation without resorting to the brutal methods of suppression we have seen only recently.

We futher call upon all nations of the world to step forward and recognise their duty to protect those who's governments have failed to protect them against either genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity, or ethnic cleansing.
Germany
player, 33 posts
Wed 21 Aug 2013
at 13:15
  • msg #17

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

UK:
The following is a statement on behalf of NATO member states, The Russian Federation and The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia;


Germany states full support to the whole statement
USA
player, 21 posts
Fri 23 Aug 2013
at 13:35
  • msg #18

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

In reply to Germany (msg # 17):

The USG confirms and fully supports the statement made on behalf of our allies and ourselves by Britain, and pledges our commitment to uphold it alongside them.

An attack on the forces of one of the members upholding this no fly zone will be treated as an attack upon us all.
Combat Cycle Ref
player, 1 post
Sat 24 May 2014
at 20:14
  • msg #19

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

Just before the NATO NoFlyZone over hex H20 is about to be imposed the Supreme Iranian leader broadcasts on all channels the following message:

"This so called 'No Fly Zone for the protection of civilians' is obviously nothing but a blatant conquest by Western imperialist forces to bring the flames of unholy Zionism to our lands. They come here not to help us or save us but corrupt us and I call upon all Iranians to resist in the name of Almighty Allah to your uttermost. Poison the wells! Burn the land! Release infected rats into their camp! Put to the sword all those who would cooperate with the enemies of Allah and Iran. They may kill us, but they will never be allowed to break us. Show these would be conquerors that all their efforts will yield ashes not apostates. I call upon our brothers, the Chinese, to aid us in this fight for survival. For years now it has been whispered that you are a Great Power. Well now the eyes of history are upon you. Will you stand now and be counted as a Great Power?!

Fight now! Allah will favor the righteous!"


As soon as the first NATO plane crosses the Iranian border to enforce the NoFlyZone all hell breaks loose. The Iranian airforce is returning to the air. All non-Iranian aircraft (except Chinese) over Iran is fired upon, including Russian. Iranian ground forces exchange fire with Kurd forces in Iranian Kurdistan. The shooting has begun, what do you (your country) do?
This message was last edited by the player at 20:17, Sat 24 May 2014.
Combat Cycle Ref
player, 2 posts
Sun 25 May 2014
at 16:49
  • msg #20

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

In reply to Combat Cycle Ref (msg # 19):

Tentative force deployments at the outset
If you have a problem with this then now is the time to let me know!!

USA
to Kuwait/Persian Gulf/(Saudi ports/airfields if absolutely necessary)/Iraq (if they will come to their senses and realize they were in error):

1 Aircraft Carrier
3 Naval Veteran Multirole Plane Squadrons
2 Veteran Attack Submarine Squadrons
1 Veteran Frigate Squadron
4 Veteran Destroyer Squadrons
2 Veteran Cruiser Squadrons
1 Veteran Helicopter Carrier
1 Multirole Helicopter Squadron
2 Marine Elite Mechanized Brigades
2 Marine Elite Multirole Plane squadrons
2 Marine Elite Multirole Helicopter Squadrons
2 Marine Support Helicopter Squadrons
2 Veteran Motorized Brigades
1 Elite Mechanized Brigade
1 Elite Armored Brigade
1 Elite Multirole Helicopter Squadron
2 Experienced Support Helicopter Squadrons
6 Elite Multirole Plane Squadrons (Stealth ability)
2 Elite Bomber Plane Squadrons (Steath ability, Diego Garcia)

Moved to Cyprus/Turkey (with Turkish approval)/Italy/Eastern Med
1 Aircraft Carrier
3 Naval Veteran Multirole Plane Squadrons
2 Veteran Attack Submarine Squadrons
1 Veteran Frigate Squadro
4 Veteran Destroyer Squadrons
2 Veteran Cruiser Squadrons
1 Veteran Helicopter Carrier
1 Multirole Helicopter Squadron
2 Marine Elite Mechanized Brigades
2 Marine Elite Multirole Plane Squadrons
2 Marine Elite Multirole Helicopter Squadrons
2 Marine Support Helicopter Squadrons
2 Elite Motorized Brigades
1 Elite Mechanized Brigade
1 Elite Armored Brigade
2 Elite Multirole Helicopter Squadrons
2 Experienced Support Helicopter Squadrons
6 Elite Multirole Plane Squadrons (Stealth ability)
2 Elite Bomber Plane Squadrons (Steath ability)

Saudi
 deployement (all ground/air units in Saudi bases):
- Hex J22 (earmarked for the Egypt crisis)
• 1 green armor brigade
• 4 green mech brigades
• 1 experienced infantry (amphibious) brigade
• 2 res mot brigades (security) (NG)
• 1 exp SAM battery
• 5 green multi-role squadrons
• 1 exp frigate squadron (reserve, as it has been built this turn)



-Hex J23
• 2 green armor brigades
• 4 green mech brigades
• 2 green art brigades
• 1 vet infantry (airborne) brigade (in Bahrain)
• 2 green artillery brigades
• 2 res mech brigades (NG)
• 2 res mot brigades (security) (NG)
• 2 exp SAM brigades
• 1 exp ABM brigade
• 5 vet multi-role squadrons (keeping NFZ)
• 5 exp multi-role squadrons (keeping NFZ)
• 2 green support squadrons (AAT)
• 2 green support helo squadrons (AAT)
• 1 exp frigate squadron
• 2 exp patrol squadrons


Hexes  I21 and J 24 (each):
• 1 res mot brigade
• 1 res mech brigade (NG)
• 1 res mot brigade (security) (NG)


-Hex I22:
• 1 res mot brigade
• 1 res mech brigade (NG)
• 1 res mot brigade (security) (NG)
• 1 exp SAM battery


Hexes  K23 and K24 (each):
• 1 green armor brigade (both recalled to J23)
• 1 res mot brigade
• 1 res mech brigade (NG)
• 1 res mot brigade (security) (NG)


UK
I21
1 veteran Destroyer squadrons
1 veteran Frigate squadrons
1 veteran corvette squad

1 elite Inf Bde (stealth, airborne, amphibious, SAS/SBS/SRR)
1 veteran support plane Squadrons (air assault transport, long range)carrying:
1 elite Inf Bde (stealth, airborne, amphibious, SAS/SBS/SRR)
1 veteran inf Bde (incl UN peacekeeping force)

1 Veteran Bomber Squadrons (longrange)
2 veteran Multirole plane Squadrons (Interceptor)
1 veteran Multirole plane Squadrons (Eurofighter)
1 elite multirole plane squad (Tornado)
1 veteran support plane Squadrons (transport, long range)
1 veteran squad multirole helicopter
1 veteran support helicopter squadron (SAR, utility, light transport)


I23
1 veteran Aircraft Carrier group  - HMS Invincible
    -2 elite multirole planes squadrons(Harriers)
    -1 veteran support helicopter squad(CCC, utility)
2 veteran Destroyer squadrons
1 experienced corvette Squad

H15
1 Veteran Frigate Squadron


Iran

10           5 Experienced Tank Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
20           10 Green Tank Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
7              1 Elite Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Stealth ability) Combat Damage=Reserve status
30           6 Veteran Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Airborne ability) 1x Combat Damage=Reserve status
10           5 Experienced Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
20           10 Green Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 1x Combat Damage=Reserve status
0              15 Reserve Motorized Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)
20           10 Green Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5,) 1x Combat Damage=Reserve status
20           8 Reserve Infantry Brigade (Military-Ground 7.5, Security ability)
8              4 Green Artillery Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5) 2x Combat damage=Reserve status
8              4 Green SAM Brigades (Military-Ground 7.5)


15           3 Veteran Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 8.2)
14           7 Experienced Multi-role planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5)
4              2 Experienced Support planes squadrons (Military-Air 7.5, Airborne Assault Transport ability )1xCD=Reserv

2              1 Experienced Destroyer squadrons (Military-Sea 7.0)
4              2 Experienced Frigate squadrons (Military-Sea 7.0)
10           5 Experienced Patrol/Corvette squadrons (Military-Sea 7.0)
20           10 Green Patrol/Corvette squadrons (Military-Sea 7.0)
4              2 Experienced Attack Submarine squadrons (Military-Sea 7.0)
4              2 Green Attack Submarine squadrons (Military-Sea 7.0)
The MISSILE FORCES are controlled by the IRGC.
8              4 Green IRBM squadrons (Space 7.7)

China
Chinese forces in Iran 2025-
hex H20 - Hamadan

1 Experienced Support planes squadron (CCC)
4 Veteran Multirole planes squadrons
10 Experienced Multirole planes squadrons
1 Veteran Bomber planes squadrons
8 Experienced Bomber planes squadrons
6 Experienced Support planes squadrons (Transport)

hex I23: Bandar-e Emam Khomeyni Sealift
2 Experienced Aircraft Carrier (Amphibious Assault Transport)
    - 2 Experienced Multirole Squadron (Amphibious)  -each Carrier
    - 1 Experienced Support Helo (Amphibious) -each Carrier
    - 1 Experienced Mechanized Brigade (Amphibious)  -each Carrier
1 Veteran Destroyer
2 Experienced Destroyer
3 Veteran Frigates Squadrons
2 Experienced Frigates Squadrons
1 Veteran Attack Submarine
1 Experienced Attack Submarine
3 Experienced Destroyer Squadrons (Amphibious Assault)
6 Experienced Mechanized Brigades (Amphibious)
3 Experienced Infantry Brigades


Russia

hex H19 Syria 3 Experienced Multi-role Plane Squadrons (T-50)
              2 Veteran Mechanized Brigade (BMP-4) -1 is 'Reserve' status at the moment due to only have just been moved in.

hex G18 5 Experienced Multi-role Plane Squadrons (T-50)  enforcing NFZ H22
        5 Experienced Multi-role Plane Squadrons (Kazahakstan/Turmenistan/Uzbeckistan planes)

hex G24  1 Experienced Cruiser (Slava)
         2 Experienced Destroyer Squadrons (Udaloy &Sovremmenny)
         2 Experienced Frigate Squadrons (Steregushchy)


Germany
In hex H19 (Turkey):

Land forces:

    2 Vet Armor Brigades
    1 Vet mech Brigade
    1 elite Fallschirmjäger (airborne inf) brigade
    1 Vet SPG (art) brigade
    1 vet SAM battery
    1 exp inf brigade (Luftwaffe)



Air forces:

    2 elite multi-role (intercept, ASAT) squadrons
    6 vet multi-role (intercept) squadrons
    4 vet multi-role squadrons
    1 vet support (CCC) squadron



In hex L24 (Bandar Beyla, Somalia)

Land:

    1 experienced Feldsjäger (secc inf) brigade
    1 elite inf brigade (airborne, amphibious)



Air:

    2 vet multi-role squadrons (naval air wings)(note 1)
    1 vet support squadron (CCC)


Sea (patroling also adjacent hexes)

    1 experienced CVH (AAT)
        2 vet multi-role helicopters (note 2)
    1 experienced submarine squadron
    1 vet submarine squadron (note 1)



Note 1: the second naval air wing and the vet submarine were sent as things began to become hot with the Chinese, whe nthe deplyement in Turkey began.

Note 2: one of them is listed as AAT capability, but I latter discovered this could only be in support helos, so I guess it's null and the unit is just a MR helo (I guess the extra money spent went to a failed experiment about making them able to transport units).

France
hex H19 Forces ????

Italy
hex H19 Forces ????
This message was last edited by the player at 17:47, Tue 03 June 2014.
Germany
player, 52 posts
Sun 25 May 2014
at 16:56
  • msg #21

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

Are there Russian or French forces commited to the zone?

As I understood the news received, Russia kept part of the NFZ, and France also was acting with NATO forces (though IDK if its forces were specified)...
Combat Cycle Ref
player, 3 posts
Sun 25 May 2014
at 17:01
  • msg #22

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

In reply to Germany (msg # 21):

See correction above about Russia. I have never heard anything about the French, so no French unless Thomas really really wants to them, then probably Ok.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:04, Sun 25 May 2014.
Germany
player, 53 posts
Sun 25 May 2014
at 17:19
  • msg #23

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

In reply to Combat Cycle Ref (msg # 22):

Sorry, now I relize the hour of your post and probaly posted that while you were editing it
Germany
player, 54 posts
Sun 25 May 2014
at 17:56
  • msg #24

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

I see German troops in hex H19 are not listed there. Is this intentional or unintentional omission?

Combat Cycle Ref:
In reply to Germany (msg # 21):

I have never heard anything about the French, so no French unless Thomas really really wants to them, then probably Ok.


Answered in PM (to Russia, as it was bumping an older post)
This message was last edited by the player at 18:02, Sun 25 May 2014.
Combat Cycle Ref
player, 4 posts
Mon 26 May 2014
at 04:49
  • msg #25

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

In reply to Germany (msg # 24):

Fixed Germany, Iran, UK and Russia. Added a holder for France and Italy. Had to edit the forces for China as well.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:58, Thu 29 May 2014.
Combat Cycle Ref
player, 5 posts
Fri 30 May 2014
at 00:19
  • msg #26

Re: Historical Interval 2025-29

In reply to Combat Cycle Ref (msg # 20):

/BREAKING NEWS./ /BREAKING NEWS./ /BREAKING NEWS./ /BREAKING NEWS./ /BREAKING NEWS./
Yes Sasha, we have been witness to some extraordinary events here in the Persian Gulf. With one of our camera balloons you can see the footage we took just a few minutes ago. Here a group of Chinese ships and planes rapidly approach the main British and American forces. A squadron of British jet fighters and corvettes race ahead to block the oncoming Chinese. The Chinese guns swivel and…

fire.


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Welcome everyone to the first Combat cycle of this War Round, this will be a little mini battle, hopefully this will give me a chance to figure out how this website works and will involve only the small fraction of the forces in the Gulf on both sides which I feel are in contact with each other at the moment. We will get to the bigger stuff&movement in the next Combat Cycle.
Chinese
2 Experienced Multirole Squadron (Amphibious)
1 Veteran Destroyer
2 Experienced Destroyer
1 Experienced Frigates Squadrons

British
1 Veteran (see note 1 –Elite on Veteran ship) Multirole Squadron (Amphibious)
1 Experienced corvette Squad

Initiative:
Most Air units: +2 to China
Most Spy Satellite: +2 to China
Only Spy Satellite: +4 to China
Chinese average Mil tech level: 7.6, UK average Mil tech level: 8.6: +30 to UK
Lowest Military Rank: +8 UK

17:52, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 8 using 1d10. Initiative for China.
17:52, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 10 using 1d10. Initiative for UK.

Total 2+2+4+8 = 16 points for China
Total 30+8+10 = 48 points for UK

Purchases: Yes, I know, you guys are supposed to choose, indulge me here, I want to keep things moving, you will get your chance soon enough.
UK: 2 column shifts, +8 Initiative score next time Initiative is recalculated.
China: 1 column shift

Total Combat Strength
UK: [1 x 3 x (1 +1) x 8.6^2] + [1 x 1 x 1 x 8.6^2] = 443 + 73 = 516
China [2 x 3 x 1 x 8.0^2] + [1 x 3 x (1+1) x 7.4^2] + [2 x 3 x 1 x 7.4^2] + [1 x 1 x 1 x 7.4^2] = 384 + 328 +328 + 54 = 1094

Odds China is the attacker 1094/516 = 2:1 odds, shifted 2 left, 1 right becomes 1.5:1

18:16, Today: Combat Cycle Ref rolled 4 using 1d10. Combat.

Results: 40%loss attacker (437 points), 20% defender (103 points)
Chinese E Destroyers absorb a max of 2 x 164 x 1.3 for Med armour = 426 points, Reduced to Reserve. Remainder 437-424=13 points discarded.
UK: V Mulitrole Plane absorb 103 points, discarded.


(note 1 –Elite on Veteran ship)Operating from a Veteran carrier, as per sec 10.5.1-Arcraft/Helicopter Carrier Groups sentence#6 of version20140501 the planes operate as Veteran
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No, you do not have time yet to issue public declarations or anything time consuming like that. This is all happening now. I will privately contact all of you shortly with a few questions and then we will proceed from there.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:11, Fri 30 May 2014.
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