http://www.portlandmercury.com...0&category=34029

interesting article, thoughts?

BTW, Portland Mercury is one of the most left leaning newspapers around here, so this article is really surprising considering what they normally write.
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Nothing wrong with Christian Punk :)  I got a number of my friends hooked on Five Iron Frenzy (a ska band) back in the day and I saw a couple good bands in our area.  That said, while I don't think Jesus would be a rocker, he certainly was a punk.

Christian Punk isn't bad.

Went to Sonshine Fest this summer (agnostic stage).  One Bad Pig put on, probably, the best show I've ever seen.  Seriously...

Food fight in the mosh pit... toilet paper wars... stage diving into kiddie pools full of ice cream... smashing guitars and chucking them over the stage... it was amazing.

:D
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Total lunacy and sensless destruction?

Sounds like a gay old time to me.  ^_^

*awkward silence*

I dunno how much of the article you all read, but here is a guy, who probally is completely surounded by people that hate the church.  One day he crossed the bounds to go church.

But it wasn't church like 90% of us would expect, people could goto that church and get tattoos, people had all kinds of peircings, it was a church that became like the club scene to reach those people.

That's an interesting way to think about it. A similar idea happened with another couple of men who started a group that goes to pron conventions, and talk about Jesus.

www.xxxchurch.com

An interesting premise that they hang out with porn stars, and share the gospel.

I think one of their T-shirts say "Jesus loves porn stars".

Another website that may surprise the man looking for porn, and end up finding Jesus.

http://www.jcsgirls.com/

Good article.  The following quote (which is from the, uh, pastors) stood out to me:


Anyone have a counter example, or is this biblically accurate?

(Those "porn" sites are interesting too)

If you read the Old Testiment, (Starting on Hosea) you will find many examples of God rebukes nations and tells them of there punishment for there sins. But in most cases the people repent and God forgives. It talks about Gods wrath towards them and stuff like that. The only time that I can think of when Jesus acully freaked out (though I woud use a different word) is at the temple when he trow over the boxes and drove the people out. He chased the common sinner ,who had found a way to make money off of the place of worship, out. Not the Pharises or the riligeous people.

Weren't the vendors there with the Pharisees' consent?

They were (I think) but that does not excuse there sins. Just because some one you look up tells you to do something wrong, does not mean that it is not a sin on your part to do so.

That is inaccurate.  He freely forgave the penitent sinners and told them to sin no more.  He certainly "freaked out" if sinners did not have any indication of changing their ways.  Given that the body is considered in Judaism and Christianity a temple in the image of God which should be dedicated to God and preserved with sacredness and sanctity, it is hard to believe that anyone could adequately use such religions as a justification for pornography.

Keep in mind that, in my experience, all pornography has at its core earning money at the exploitation of the body (or acts with the body).  Therefore, it is not much different from the moneychanger situation.  He would certainly "freak out" about it.

Heath, I agree with what you just said, but I don't know how that relates to my comment that you quoted.  I'm not sure, but I think you're mixing up the articles.  My quote is from the "punk rocker" article, which has no porn in it.  Also, the two sites that rogue posted are not actually porn sites; go check them out.

Sorry, I wasn't really following the articles all that closely.

Though I think my first comment does address the comment made on the site about Jesus and penitent sinners (compared with all sinners).

No problem, and as noted before, I agree with what you said.  You wouldn't happen to have any specific bible references would you?

His forgiveness of penitent sinners occurred often, including Mary, the prostitute.

His lack of forgiveness for those who are not penitent is also indicated in stories like the rich man who despaired because he could not give up his riches.

I didn't look up anything, if that's what you're asking.

LDS sources on the body being a temple are numerous.  I didn't check the Bible, but I am aware of the Judeo-Christian beliefs about the body being a temple.  That is fairly common knowledge and is also contained in the New Testament.  Just don't have the references off the top of my head though.

I don't see selling animals for sacrafice to God as a secular occupation.

I think the point was that they were violating the commandment that innocent blood was not be shed in the temples, and therefore they were violating a commandment previously noted by Jeremiah 600 years earlier.  Also, there may be a connection with selling sacrifices for God for profit...i.e. in order to obey God's commandment, people had to buy the sacrifices for them...and thus he called it a 'den of thieves.'

So could one then say that any profiting from, uh, "religious aids" is wrong?

Jesus got pissed at it.

I don't think there is a commandment about innocent blood not being shed in the temple.

People could bring their lamb or other animal but for some that lived far away it was more practical to make the journey and buy the animal there.