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What makes you Christian?

Posted by rogue4jcFor group 0
rogue4jc
GM, 270 posts
Christian
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Sun 11 Jul 2004
at 19:55
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What makes you Christian?

What makes you a Christian?
I noticed this was a question or perhaps some confusion as to what is a christian.

I thought I'd place this thread up as a sort of question.

What things below make you a christian? Do you have to do all these things to be a christian? Do you have to do any of these things to make you a christian?

-Being born and raised in a christian family?
-Having a Grandmother, or an uncle or another relative who's christian?
-Being baptized as an infant or an adult?
-Being confirmed?
-Attending church regularly?
-Attending Sunday school?
-Observing christian holidays?
-Reading the bible occasionaly?
-Reading the bible daily?
-Serving in the church?
-Donating money to a church?
-Being a good and kind person?
-Participating in Communion?
-Being a formal member of a church?
-Obeying the Ten Commandments?
-Praying Frequently?
-Having some kind of spiritual or emotional experience?
Altair Brionne
player, 13 posts
Mon 12 Jul 2004
at 00:34
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Re: What makes you Christian?

^_^ Well, the most basic definition of being a Christian is believing that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that through him we have found the key to salvation.
Now how exactly we are saved is always up for debates, and the debates are posted in other threads.
Personally, though, I believe we need:
1. Belief that there is one God and Jesus is His son,
2. Faith in His promise of salvation and
2. Share God's love and mercy to others throughout your life
Heath
player, 129 posts
Mon 12 Jul 2004
at 06:50
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Re: What makes you Christian?

This is actually a simple question of semantics.  Defining the word won't define the belief or change anyone's claim to be Christian or non-Christian.  Anyone who says he's Christian probably is.
LaLoupeFille
player, 35 posts
I dont consider you wrong
Please dont tell me I am
Mon 12 Jul 2004
at 14:08
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Re: What makes you Christian?

Being baptised a Christian.

Seriously, that's all you need to get teh label. You can be a murderer, you can be a rapist, but in the end, it's still your lable.
Altair Brionne
player, 22 posts
Tue 13 Jul 2004
at 05:34
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Re: What makes you Christian?

Hmmm... I'm not sure about the baptism thing.

Do all Christian religions require baptism? ... I suppose it also depends on what you consider baptism... in Catholicism, it involves water. I don't know about the others.
Heath
player, 155 posts
Tue 13 Jul 2004
at 05:37
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Re: What makes you Christian?

I think since Christ said that baptism is necessary to enter the kingdom of heaven, that it would be a required ordinance to be a practicing Christian, but I think people can still call themselves Christians even just by belief and not practice (because it's all semantics).
rogue4jc
GM, 300 posts
Christian
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Tue 13 Jul 2004
at 10:11
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Re: What makes you Christian?

The thief on the cross, crucified beside Jesus was never baptized. And Jesus said the thief would be going to Heaven.
Heath
player, 167 posts
Tue 13 Jul 2004
at 10:23
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Re: What makes you Christian?

I believe he said he would see him in "Paradise," not heaven.  Paradise is a state of limbo before judgment.
Altair Brionne
player, 31 posts
Tue 13 Jul 2004
at 15:25
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Re: What makes you Christian?

??? Limbo must be a great place to be then. Second only to heaven, of course.
rogue4jc
GM, 303 posts
Christian
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Wed 14 Jul 2004
at 00:05
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Re: What makes you Christian?

Jesus said "Assuredly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise."
If paradise is limbo, then why did Jesus go to limbo, and not heaven?
Context is always important.
Heath
player, 170 posts
Wed 14 Jul 2004
at 01:25
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Re: What makes you Christian?

Jesus went to limbo before going to heaven, just as everyone does.
Greathairyone
player, 64 posts
I'm only here to argue...
except when I'm not!
Wed 14 Jul 2004
at 01:28
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Re: What makes you Christian?

I think statistically it just means being born into a christian dominated society, and you are recorded as one by default.
I'm sure that many statistical listings assume I am.

I think most people are considered christians just because they were born into a christian family and just go along with it because they have never actually thought about the issue. They haven't made any actual choices one way or the other.

Personally I think you should only consider yourself a christian if you have considered the issue and actually decided 'yes I believe in the premises put forward by such-and-such christian sect as opposed to something else'.

Then there's the other viewpoint from specific christian sects who believe that if you don't subscribe to their specific POV then you aren't a 'true christian', for example the JW's who believe all the other christian groups have got it wrong and still require conversion to the 'true christian faith'.
Heath
player, 173 posts
Wed 14 Jul 2004
at 01:48
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Re: What makes you Christian?

Altair Brionne:
??? Limbo must be a great place to be then. Second only to heaven, of course.

Don't let semantics fool you.  Paradise simply means an intermediate place where the departed await resurrection and judgment (from the Greek "enclosure, to place a wall around").  It is probably because of Jesus' statement that the word has the connotation of heaven these days.

Paradise is separated into two sections.  The first is where those who have received the required ordinances go.  The second is where all the others go.  Because they are confused, it a place of "weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth," a place of confusion.  This most probably refers to what most Christians refer to as Hell, although there is no fire and brimstone or anything like that, simply confused people in a chaotic state awaiting judgment.

It is our belief that after Jesus died, he visited Paradise to begin a missionary effort.  So those who died with the proper ordinances and lifestyle began missionary work by crossing over into the other side to help those who did not.  They help them all have a chance before judgment to repent and enter the Kingdom of God before receiving their resurrected bodies (at which time it would be too late).
Heath
player, 175 posts
Wed 14 Jul 2004
at 02:03
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Re: What makes you Christian?

Greathairyone:
I think most people are considered christians just because they were born into a christian family and just go along with it because they have never actually thought about the issue. They haven't made any actual choices one way or the other.

Personally I think you should only consider yourself a christian if you have considered the issue and actually decided 'yes I believe in the premises put forward by such-and-such christian sect as opposed to something else'.

For once, GHO, we are in complete agreement.  I don't think anyone should remain part of a religion unless they have had a personal conversion to that religion.  Of course, the exercising of faith in the process would also qualify even before the actual conversion.
rogue4jc
GM, 308 posts
Christian
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Wed 14 Jul 2004
at 03:02
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Re: What makes you Christian?

rogue4jc:
What things below make you a christian? Do you have to do all these things to be a christian? Do you have to do any of these things to make you a christian?

-Being born and raised in a christian family?
-Having a Grandmother, or an uncle or another relative who's christian?
-Being baptized as an infant or an adult?
-Being confirmed?
-Attending church regularly?
-Attending Sunday school?
-Observing christian holidays?
-Reading the bible occasionaly?
-Reading the bible daily?
-Serving in the church?
-Donating money to a church?
-Being a good and kind person?
-Participating in Communion?
-Being a formal member of a church?
-Obeying the Ten Commandments?
-Praying Frequently?
-Having some kind of spiritual or emotional experience

Actually, I don't think any of these things "make" you christian.
A better way to say it is, these are things Christians do.
I think it's a common thing to mix up what it means to become a christian, with what it means to be a christian.

Let me make another comparison. Many people can hold hands, kiss each other, and even go back to the same home. but that doesn't make them married, does it? In order for that to be true, they must go through an obvious act beyond dating, and say "I do".

So in answer to the above, while any or even all of those things can happen to lots of people, many of those things are done, even without knowing Jesus(and therefore not christian)

So the factor involved in becoming a Christian cannot be lifestyle oriented. It has to relate to receiving Christ.

The above list, while something you would expect in a christian, is not what saves a person.
Greathairyone
player, 78 posts
I'm only here to argue...
except when I'm not!
Wed 14 Jul 2004
at 03:04
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Re: What makes you Christian?

Heath:
For once, GHO, we are in complete agreement.  I don't think anyone should remain part of a religion unless they have had a personal conversion to that religion.  Of course, the exercising of faith in the process would also qualify even before the actual conversion.


Oh, we don't disagree all the time, despite our worldviews.
chrysmclean
player, 3 posts
Ninja Girl strikes again!
Silent but deadly. *g*
Mon 19 Jul 2004
at 05:23
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Re: What makes you Christian?

Okay, got a question to throw at you guys. Rogue said this would be the thread to post this question in, so...

Does anyone know (either generally or specifically) what Unitarian Universalists believe?
rogue4jc
GM, 357 posts
Christian
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Mon 19 Jul 2004
at 05:36
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Re: What makes you Christian?

UUA principles and purposes:
The inherent worth and dignity of every person;
Justice, equity and compassion in human relations;
Acceptance of one another and encouragement to spiritual growth in our congregations;
A free and responsible search for truth and meaning;
The right of conscience and the use of the democratic process within our congregations and in society at large;
The goal of world community with peace, liberty, and justice for all;
Respect for the interdependent web of all existence of which we are a part.
The living tradition which we share draws from many sources:

Direct experience of that transcending mystery and wonder, affirmed in all cultures, which moves us to a renewal of the spirit and an openness to the forces which create and uphold life;
Words and deeds of prophetic women and men which challenge us to confront powers and structures of evil with justice, compassion, and the transforming power of love;
Wisdom from the world's religions which inspires us in our ethical and spiritual life;
Jewish and Christian teachings which call us to respond to God's love by loving our neighbors as ourselves;
Humanist teachings which counsel us to heed the guidance of reason and the results of science, and warn us against idolatries of the mind and spirit.
Spiritual teachings of earth-centered traditions which celebrate the sacred circle of life and instruct us to live in harmony with the rhythms of nature.
Grateful for the religious pluralism which enriches and ennobles our faith, we are inspired to deepen our understanding and expand our vision. As free congregations we enter into this covenant, promising to one another our mutual trust and support.

The Purposes of the Unitarian Universalist Association

The Unitarian Universalist Association shall devote its resources to and exercise its corporate powers for religious, educational and humanitarian purposes. The primary purpose of the Association is to serve the needs of its member congregations, organize new congregations, extend and strengthen Unitarian Universalist institutions and implement its principles.

The Association declares and affirms its special responsibility, and that of its member societies and organizations, to promote the full participation of persons in all of its and their activities and in the full range of human endeavor without regard to race, color, sex, disability, affectional or sexual orientation, age, or national origin and without requiring adherence to any particular interpretation of religion or to any particular religious belief or creed.

Nothing herein shall be deemed to infringe upon the individual freedom of belief which is inherent in the Universalist and Unitarian heritages or to conflict with any statement of purpose, covenant, or bond of union used by any society unless such is used as a creedal test.

The only thing I don't quite get, is it's trying to get people to be valued. When Christianity is all about getting closer to God.
I'd have to look closer before I would say it's christian in belief.
Resepcting people is great, but you don't have to have a relation with Jesus to respect people.
Elfear
player, 63 posts
Thu 22 Jul 2004
at 18:49
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Re: What makes you Christian?

I agree with r4jc on the context matter.  Take for example a fool who once said "the Bible says 'there is no God.'"  He was right.  If you put it in context, that one passage is "The fool hath said in his heart, 'There is no God.'"
So really, that guy was making himself out to be a fool.  Always check context before telling the whole world what you think.

What makes you Christian is sort of technical.  I have said several times that the word 'christian' means 'little Christ'.

Sorry I haven't been active for a while, I have been reading posts in my chosen fields but not giving any input.  Like I said before, I don't have time to keep up with all these theology threads, and I don't have much knowledge about them to say much.  So, basically I have been sticking to threads that I think are 'issues.'
cookies_n_cream
player, 2 posts
Mon 26 Jul 2004
at 02:16
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Re: What makes you Christian?

Personally, I believe that the main way to consider yourself Christian is if: You believe in your heart that Jesus is God's son, deserving just as much glory as his father, who was sent to Earth, died on the cross, and rose again, in order to make the people presentable to him. You also must surrender your entire life, with all of its good and bad points, to Jesus, willingly allowing him to use you in any way he sees fit. The following things I also believe are must-haves in the Christian way of life:

"Being a good and kind person?
-Obeying the Ten Commandments?
-Praying Frequently?
-Having some kind of spiritual or emotional experience?"
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