This is a thread for discussion who said what about whom in what thread and when.  Because I'd rather not see it in other threads.  (ie, this is where you're allowed to poke each other with verbal sticks.  Please don't do it elsewhere).

Apparently this should be in this thread.



I happen to note last Saturday that I stated you wouldn't be providing evidence for your position Cain. You've had plenty of questions to your position that remain ignored, and plenty of time to provide some evidence that didn't require assumptions of all facts. It appears that you have chosen not to provide evidence.

I have to admit I'm impressed that you could remain faithful to your belief despite all the evidence against the position. It's a good example of blind faith.


The bible actually speaks out against this type of blind faith

As opposed to your behavior in the homosexual marriage thread where I posted a link to the UN decleration of human rights where it declared marriage a right and the only response you made was to mock my analogy of freedom of movement versus breaking and entering out of context with what appears to be deliberate intent to distort what I was saying?
If you are going to hold others to rules of debate perhaps you should follow them yourself?

Silver, I understand you may feel that I held you toa different standard then myself. However, I haven't seen you ask me to clarify a position that I responded to. If you wouldn't mind, feel free to point out what you feel remains unanswered rather than making the assumption that I won't address it. In this situation, you haven't given me the chance to respond.

Cain has had more than a week to respond, and it was clear more than a week ago he wasn't responding to questions.

How about anything in my last 4 posts besides taking one metaphor out of context?

Please readdress the issue by pointing out specifics on things you are looking for in the appropriate thread. I don't want to guess, or leave anything unclear or room for error.

I have reposted teh specifics in teh thread but in short you continue to claim we have not adresse issues that you hve raied when I have in fact responded to tehm at length.

I think there's some confusion here. I thought you were stating in this thread that I was not responding to your question, or leaving them unanswered.

In post #6 in this thread, I was asking you to be specific about what you feel I am ignoring, or not responding to.

I respond to honest questions.

I thought this was fascinating; the secret to (maybe) being right is recognizing you may be wrong:

http://www.goodreads.com/autho...edging-our-ignorance

Interesting article.  I tend to be more distrustful of what someone says, the more confident they seem in saying it.  I used to figure that was because I spent so much time in academia, where you have to include all kinds of caveats and "howevers," etc., in your writing to avoid getting caught out by the reviewers, but perhaps there's more to it than I realized!

Bumped for GMC and silveroak to discuss the finer points of libel law.

GMC, it doesn't matter what you think is offensive. He is clearly offended by something you said, and has asked for an apology. I don't think there's anything else to be said. There's no one who is the 'winner' in the situation. You can't 'beat' him. Each of you can only decide if you are going to be a mature, honorable and forgiving person, or ... not.

He hasn't asked for an apology, he's asked for a retraction.  If it were just an apology, that would be one thing; but he then followed up by threatening to sue me on a thin charge of libel.

If he retracts *his* statement-- all he wants is an apology-- then I'll apologize, and expect he'll do the same to you and the other mods for the insults he leveled against you.

 the offesive statement, as i have *repeatedly* stated, was your assertion that I specifically believe that a solar cell can produce infinite power, which was compounded by your adding that my clients should be warry because of this belief. However you have *all* been managing to add insult to injury by trying to tell me what it is I am saying and what it is I am upset about despite the fact I have been quite clear on these points.
now to spell it out what I want is
1) A retraction of your statement that I believe a solar cell can produce infinite power. This was a bald faced lie.
2) an appology for besmirching my professiona abilities.
3) CUT IT OUT IN THE FUTURE. I am really really really fed up with thread after thread after thread being hijacked with your personal insults in lieu of arguemnts.


as for honorable and forgiving, to simply let this go would be beyond honorable and into theh realm of masocistic.
and insisting that someone is being childish and throwing fits is the *opposite* of an appology, so claiming "I would appologize if they weren't throwing a fit about it" is the farthest thing possible from an apology.
I will not endlessly debate this- if GMC is a member of this board and does not offer both a retraction and an appology I will leave for more civilized conversations.

Then it's your decision.  Been nice knowing you, I'm not retracting anything.  I would have considered apologizing for causing offense, but not a retraction, nor for "besmirching your professional abilities" when they're IMO poorly presented.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:24, Tue 23 Aug 2011.

I said


 and then


to which GMC replied



This is not just a matter of being insulting, or a little misconstruing of my position, this is a bald faced assertion that my position is completely opposite to what I specifically stated. Criteria of libel:
from http://www.lawdit.co.uk/readin...tion%20rewritten.htm


and

so in short you are a criminal, not just a masive jerk.
really GMC, what is your deal with seeing how far up your own posterior you can shove your head? How can you possibly believe you did not mis-state my position given the above quotes? No, as I am preparing to walk away in utter disgust not merely at your own unconcionably trollish behavior but the refusal of teh so called moderators to even attempt to effectively moderate your filth, your only response is to gloat that you are capable of being so utterly, criminally unconciounably offensive that I would choose to leave, and treat this as some form of victory.

And in so doing, prove my point- you are not here to converse, nor debate honestly. You are here to be insulting. Frankly, you should have been banned from this group months ago.

Alright guys. I'm home sick. I have very little patience. And this behavior is simply unacceptable on both sides. If people can't give a little and work to be civil, I'm going to start freezing threads and deleting posts until tempers cool. I really expect better. This is, frankly, embarrassing, on both sides (and probably on me too now). Anyone who is reading this isn't judging you by what the other guy says about you; they're judging you by what YOU are saying.

Take a step back, guys. Put the forum down for a little bit. Get some perspective before you say anything to embarrass yourselves further.

Get some rest guys. Good night.

Sorry, didn't see this post until after I had posted.  My apologies to *you*, katisara.
This message was last edited by the GM at 12:55, Tue 23 Aug 2011.

goodbye. I am sick of this place. When one person has commited a criminal act and the other is defending themselves, the time for attempts to remain neutral is gone. If there can be no judgment in the pursuit of trying to avoid heated tempers then the trolls will always win. You have chosen GMC as whom you want to lie with. Enjoy the fleas, I'm outta here.

Fact 1: Defamation of character is not a criminal act in the US, it's a civil one.

Fact 2: If I offended you, I've offered an apology for that.  I will not, however, retract the statement; yours was at best poorly worded and at worst erroneous.

Fact 3: Your directly calling me a troll, without the caveat of "In my opinion" *is* a libelous offense.  I'm not going to overreact to that one, but I do find it ironic that you freely resort to libel when it suits you.

Fact 4: I think you've got me and TitL mixed up.  How should I have been "kicked out months ago", when I just resumed posting less than two weeks ago?

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If I gave in to my eight year old every time she got a heated temper, I'd have a spoiled brat.  We all expect a higher standard of behavior from you.

At any event, I doubt this is going to reach you.  Katisara and I have been going over ways that we can show you where we can soothe you while still showing you how your behavior is wrong, but IMO you don't want to listen.  I honestly wish you the best elsewhere on the internet; but I do suggest that you stay away from debate forums for a while: if being caught in a minor error sets you off so badly, they may not be the right place for you.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:21, Tue 23 Aug 2011.