A requested thread for Kathulos.

Jesus. . . Ieoaseus. . . Issa, Yeshua.

Jesus is my God. I believe in Jesus as the same God as the Jews. The teachings of Jesus has been responsible for the sanctity of life throughout cultures for 2,000 years. It has elevated the status of women. Please don't forget the good it has done in India by outlawing the burning of widows, the outlawing of feet binding, and other instances. Many good things have come about from Jesus and what he has both taught and what he did on the Cross.

I'm curious, what do others see the value of the authentic Jesus on our lives and the lives of countless people throughout the centuries?

Well, let's not forget the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, the Witch Hunts, what happened to the Native Americans and a whole host of others. Just throwing that out there; reminding you that there's two sides to this coin.

Also I think you are giving Christianity credit for some things that didn't necessarilly come from it. "Western Culture" is not always synonymous with christianity- what I recall is a christianity which fought against "feminazis" and believed that a woman's biblically ordained place was in teh home while I was growing up. A religion that justified manifest destiny and both the slaughter of Native Americans and the abduction of their children to be raised in Christian orphanages. India is still *massively* predominantly Hindu, and the laws you mention are more a result of the UN and US governments- both secular bodies, than any Christian uprising that fought for women's rights.
Christianity is responsible for the burning of the Library at Alexandria and setting back human civilization centuries in doing so, and in the 1400s suppressing all forms of scientific inquiry and advancement, and even today it is responsible for trying to undermine school science curriculums with creationism.

Crusades: against Jesus'es teachings.
Witchhunts: against Jesus'es teachings.
Spanish Inquisition: Against Evangelical Christians, and Jews, but by Catholics.
Native Americans: Against Christ's teachings again.
Feminazis: Feminazis actually do exist, and they deserve the scorn they get.
Burning Of Alexandria: Please prove this is not just some popular urban myth.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...ction_of_the_library

It seemed to be an order of destruction by the Roman Empire. They didn't have seperation between Church and State in those days.

And on Creationism in Schools, what they are trying to do is not force the Creation account on schools, rather they are trying to allow Intelligent Design to be taught.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:14, Tue 24 May 2011.

In reply to silveroak (msg #4):

Sidenote: No one really knows who burned the Library just as no really knows the value of what was in it.  To say it set back civilization centuries is quite a stretch.

Also, a great deal of Indian die offs in the Americas is due to transmitted diseases the natives had no resistance to.  Alot of other native deaths are due to political and economic forces.

Christianity, like all things human, is only as good as the people practising it.

It was proven in the Court of Law via Kitzmiller v. Dover that Intelligent Design is a renaming of Creationism, and is indistinguishable in both its teachings, its motive, and its supporters.  As such, it is rejected from scientific curricula for the same reasons that Creationism is.

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The scraps and remains of what we do still have from sources contemporary to the Library of Alexandria (things which allow us to determine, for example, who the head librarian was at what time) allow us an approximation of scientific value therein.  There was knowledge of things which we only began to rediscover in the Renaissance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jixnM7S9tLw

Excuse me, but Creationism is not the same thing as Intelligent Design. It doesn't matter what Kitzmiller v.s Dover said.